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Catholics Vs Protestants: Who is Right? 11-2-24

I agree with that observation, but our time is finite, a gift, and ought not be wasted. So let's not give any more life to that dead thing i.e. let's stop feeding it. Declare the truth and move on. We don't wrestle against flesh and blood...

Who prays for discernment and protection before he enters this site? Who prays for the welfare of its less-than-gracious posters?
And the Lord said, bNF, bNf, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.​
(Luke 22:31-32 KJV)
 
Brad, the simple truth is that I don't post about anything for which I might be wrong.
Alas, you have been caught out - repeatedly. And so you run, like the busybodies Paul warned us about, from thread to thread, obfuscating and creating dissension, speaking things which you ought not. (re: 1 Tim. 5:13)

And the Lord said, bNF, bNf, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
(Luke 22:31-32 KJV)
Yea, Satan desires some such as me, while he already has others...

The irony is delicious.
...a meal befitting of a bitter tea sipper. Shame it took you four consecutive posts to cough up that loogie.

From the OP:
We have too much division in the church.
IMO...we should be more unified and understanding the similarities and difference in the two groups.
Dozens of puffy posts later, it is abundantly evident that the thesis of the OP has been tried and found worthy.
 
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And I would point out that you dont speak for God. You can interpret scripture however you want, and go solo scripture all the way, but you are not God's press secretary.
Going off topic and on me isn't an argument.
I never claim to and repeat what He said regardless who's "feelings" get hurt.

Traditions hold no validity over scripture. Catholics seem to have a problem with that.
 
Okay Garee, I get it. Your canon was delivered by a stork.

I knew better than to ask.

Thanks,
Rhema

Thanks, sorry to disappointment LOL

The Holy Spirit is a stork? Who moved the fine feathered friend ?

Who make men different from one another. ?

The whole is inspired cannon .. . each word .

2 Peter 1:19-21We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. (stork) For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man:(stork) but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.


Same powerful one that's moves you.
 
The Holy Spirit is a stork?
The turd bird in question is not the Holy Spirit. Rather that poser's poster's action is all about constantly flitting about from thread to thread, leaving his droppings as he swoops by. As he admits, he's not here to share or learn anything. He's a busybody who merely uses his keyboard to abuse us because, for him, this is his fun hour. His game is all about our re-actions. Obviously, he's not getting satisfied at home (too much competition?), so this is his alternate sandbox - a bit of an inferiority complex being played out here, at our presumed expense.

In this arena, with the Internet, an intrinsically reprobate person can pose as a Christian with something scriptural to say. He or she can stay hidden away from any public scrutiny as their credentials (or lack thereof) are not automatically placed into evidence. They can wage word-wars without ever demonstrating any accountability - or any qualifications of any kind to validate their unwanted perspective. They simply log in on the various boards and start to stir up trouble. Their weapons are an inexpensive computer, a free email account, and the spirit of Antichrist to empower their malicious maligning of the truth.

The Apostle Paul found that "there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies" (II Thessalonians 3:11). This rebuke was related to the fact that these people had so much time on their hands that they spent it by gossiping and creating discord among the brethren. His command to the church was "that they with quietness... work, and eat their own bread."

Later on, Paul warned Timothy about those that "wander about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not" (I Timothy 5:13). Paul was repeatedly attacked by these worthless gossips that divide the true church and said that it was "slanderously reported" that he taught people to "do evil" (Romans 3:8). To the church at Corinth, he rebuked those that were behind the "backbitings" and the "strifes" that are associated with what he dubbed "whisperings." Interestingly enough, these evils were all mentioned in conjunction with "debates" (II Corinthians 12:20). What is an Internet forum but an emotionally charged instantaneous debate?

How appropriate in the present context is the classic caution found in Proverbs 6!

"These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto Him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."

They can take our responses and send 'em all around until they've stirred up "certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar." (Acts 17:5). In the ensuing turmoil, they then seek to capitalize on it by insinuating themselves as the defenders of truth.

Unfortunately, unwary believers are easily sucked into this repetitive maelstrom that seems to present a clear case of good versus evil. But truth is the first casualty of war, and in the spiritual warfare that is raging even now, many internet forums have become a stronghold of Satan. Even though the Internet is a very economical and inexpensive way to communicate, the spiritual price tag is very high. The sad truth is, it reduces everything to its lowest common denominator and the world's believers are poorer for it.

Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

If we put him on ignore, then we won't be as tempted to sniff his crap, and we can get on with the truth of Jesus Christ.

Traditions hold no validity over scripture. Catholics seem to have a problem with that.
Yes. And it's the wicked spirit behind the "Catholics" that is the problem.
 
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The whole is inspired cannon .. . each word .
No it isn't. But to each one is given his right to believe powerful delusions.

I provide for you a link to the canon established by the Apostle Thomas. Added to by those Catholic Bishops you so disdain, from which you received your canon. Take a look and see what your canon should be:


Rhema
 
I provide for you...TheAramaicScriptures.com
Normally, I would pass by this Catholic-ized dogpile posing as gourmet food. But we're not dealing with "normal," are we?

Have a yawn at the opening paragraph of "This Translation/Transliteration effort"!

"The Aramaic Text used to translate here at TheAramaicScriptures . com, is from Eastern Aramaic Manuscripts, such as The Khabouris Manuscript, pictured above, it being a handwritten Eastern Aramaic New Testament, said to have been scribed in the ancient city of Nineveh, and which is thought to have taken place sometime between 800 to 1000 A.D. and said to have been officially certified by a Bishop of The Holy Apostolic Catholic Church of the East as being a faithful copy of a much older Eastern Aramaic New Testament Manuscript, likely scribed during the mid 5th century, which in turn likely was itself a faithful copy of The Original Aramaic New Testament Scriptures, believed to have been produced in the ancient City of Edessa in the late first, or early second century." [emphasis mine]

Almost preg? x :laughing:
 
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No it isn't. But to each one is given his right to believe powerful delusions.

I provide for you a link to the canon established by the Apostle Thomas. Added to by those Catholic Bishops you so disdain, from which you received your canon. Take a look and see what your canon should be:


Rhema
Hi Thanks

Powerful delusions?

The kind that make the living word of God without effect. Using the oral traditons of dying mankind as lying signs to wonder, wonder, wonder after rather than sola scriptura. As if it, wonders wondering, marveling is the true prophecy ????.

Catholics bishops like the the Pharisees are the ones that called sola scriptura heresy so they could raise thier heresy (private interpretation personal commentary ) as the final authority in matters of faith (the unseen eternal) ,

Paul turned things right side up rather than worshiping a legion of dead fathers (patron saints) he worshiped the one Holy Father of the legion of fathers . Two kinds of fathers

They walked away faithless .

Acts 24: 13Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.;But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

No man can serve two written authorities as law teaching masters as coming from one Lord .Its either sola scriptura or the CCC book sacred oral traditons of dying mankind commandment of men . They have the light somewhat chained , Pray he increase faith as it is written . Breaks the chains of the legion
 
Acts 24: 13Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.;But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
Do you believe all things written in the law and the prophets?

Do you understand that the New Testament texts are NOT part of the Law and the Prophets?

(You may consider this rhetorical, Garee),
Rhema
 
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
1Pet 1:23 for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth
 
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is living and active
The author didn't mean the Bible, B-A-C.

He even used the word LOGOS, which means Jesus according to your Gospel of John which you then QUOTED !!!!

The conflation is rather evil - to abuse what is written.

Rhema
 
The author didn't mean the Bible, B-A-C.

He even used the word LOGOS, which means Jesus according to your Gospel of John which you then QUOTED !!!!

The conflation is rather evil - to abuse what is written.

Rhema


Yes the word of the living waters .the water of the word (gospel) .It is the living water he washes us with And husbands wash thier own wives .The living water of the word. . doctrines that fall like rain bringing green growth on earth (Deuteronomy 32;1-2

I wil offer three verses

John 4:11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?

Ephesians 5:25-27;Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,


Deuteronomy 32Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:
 
Unless you mean something else in your word salad

Some of your comments make you difficult to "hear" above the noise.

1Cor 13:1 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
1Cor 13:2 If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.

You seem like a smart guy. You obviously have some biases and that's OK, I suspect we all do.
But we are usually OK with it. You seem not to be. It's you way, your definitions, your translation, your lexicons, or none.
Whether you like it or not, our lexicons, translations, and canons are just as valid as yours ( probably more so )

When you tell the whole world they are wrong, and you are right, ... that they are uneducated, can't spell, can't type correctly,
... you lose your audience. Without love, you are just noise.

Something I have to remind myself of from time to time. :)
 
Do you believe all things written in the law and the prophets?

Do you understand that the New Testament texts are NOT part of the Law and the Prophets?

(You may consider this rhetorical, Garee),
Rhema
Thanks. .

I'm slow I like rhetorical.

All things written in the law and the prophets is the same as saying sola scriptura .it is used that way throughout the Bible. God protecting the integrity of sola scriptura the living word

It is witnessed in another way. Law signified by Moses and prophets signified by Elias . or the law and testimony .. . the new testament a testimony to the old .Passed on in the unto new testament using John who came in the power of Elijah the power of the Holy Spirit

Matthew 11:13-15For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

Gave the the testimony of the power of the Spirit over to John

Used to represent sola scriptura below

Matthew 17:3And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

Used in the same way persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses,(sola scriptura)

Acts 28:23And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

Used in a parable below ."No man can serve two good teaching masters" the things of this world or the kingdom to come. sola scriptura wisdom of God

Luke 16:13-31No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him.And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
 
Jesus "Is" the Word of God.
And yet you KNOW that when people hear or read the phrase "Word of God" they blindly without even cognizance replace it with "Bible" up inside their head.

And there should be no quotes about it. Jesus IS the Word of God, and we should embrace only that which He teaches.

If Jesus is the Word of God all that which is NOT Jesus is not the Word of God. Period.

God bless,
Rhema
 
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