Christian rock

[Eddy Fire]

hi boys
what's all the clattering
sounds like a mystery going on
a clanging and a cymbal
you know what?

too many of us think too highly of our opinions and we might as well have a slide guitar and do the real thing!
sorry to butt in james1523 but you just contradicted yourself three times and it was all in reference to the most high and holy One
and Larry, you talk about what YOU look for as if you are more than you are brother

so rock on boys because that is what you are saying here back and forth rock and roll
getting sexy with words and using the Lord as if He is some sort of phallic god or something

not only you 2, so don't take it personally because if you are in Him it is harmless to you but if you don't like being shown this then check your position and opinionate yourselves to a better mind
that's what rock and roll sounds like - U2 for example - good hearty hard-hitting in-your-face popular irish christian message!
and some say it's OK (their songs certainly make you think!)

and so patronizing in their gallery seats
the ballet for these men!

Lawrenceb - is the Lord impressed with anything much in this world?
If we consider Him Who having hung and died there
if we consider seeing through Him as our Father does, to see us and all
what sort of turn on is anything in this world?
so don't get too heavy about rock, eh bro

some music is sweet some plain ugly
some words kiss the ears some abrase the hearer
but truth always sounds the same
and to hear it
one has to know the name
the name of Christ our Saviour

this started as a nice thread about favorite bands and artists and now it is a slanging match
a place for seperartists

I was wondering if anybody likes Cat Stevens?
famous for 'Morning Has Broken'

what do you think of Elvis? I heard he was really a Christian and Johnny Cash or at least his missus (no 2) was?
Cliff Richard?
Roy Rogers?

 

[james1523]

hi boys
what's all the clattering
sounds like a mystery going on
a clanging and a cymbal
you know what?

too many of us think too highly of our opinions and we might as well have a slide guitar and do the real thing!
sorry to butt in james1523 but you just contradicted yourself three times and it was all in reference to the most high and holy One
and Larry, you talk about what YOU look for as if you are more than you are brother

so rock on boys because that is what you are saying here back and forth rock and roll
getting sexy with words and using the Lord as if He is some sort of phallic god or something

not only you 2, so don't take it personally because if you are in Him it is harmless to you but if you don't like being shown this then check your position and opinionate yourselves to a better mind
that's what rock and roll sounds like - U2 for example - good hearty hard-hitting in-your-face popular irish christian message!
and some say it's OK (their songs certainly make you think!)

and so patronizing in their gallery seats
the ballet for these men!

Lawrenceb - is the Lord impressed with anything much in this world?
If we consider Him Who having hung and died there
if we consider seeing through Him as our Father does, to see us and all
what sort of turn on is anything in this world?
so don't get too heavy about rock, eh bro

some music is sweet some plain ugly
some words kiss the ears some abrase the hearer
but truth always sounds the same
and to hear it
one has to know the name
the name of Christ our Saviour

this started as a nice thread about favorite bands and artists and now it is a slanging match
a place for seperartists

I was wondering if anybody likes Cat Stevens?
famous for 'Morning Has Broken'

what do you think of Elvis? I heard he was really a Christian and Johnny Cash or at least his missus (no 2) was?
Cliff Richard?
Roy Rogers?
The Saints?

If you approve of rock music I suppose you also approve of women wearing bikinis in church, as long as they preach about Jesus. Well, both clothing fashion and music fashion are covered by the verse about not being conformed to the world. Unfortunately for you, Calvin and Luther and Spurgeon would agree with us. I suppose they too were too opinionated, you can tell them so in Heaven. By the way the band U2 preaches Universalism. and I suggest you do some more research... Cat Stevens is a Muslim... and 'morning is broken' is an old Christian hymn well before his time. Johnny Cash , well if you saw his movie you would know if he is a Christian or not.. Elvis.. maybe a Christian but he wasn't preaching Christ now with his hip shaking moves and screaming girls was he? Blessings

 

[Eddy Fire]

The fact that you find Christian music boring, must be because you are wanting to merely entertain your soul with it, rather than develop and grow your spirit from the biblical message it conveys. If this is the case then do not feel that you must listen to Christian music in order to appear religious to others, save yourself from such pretense. A lot of Christian music is just plain awful.. for me what is worse than a worldly non-Christian song is a Christian song that tries to appear worldly..or a worldly song that tries to appear Christian. There is one thing God doesn't like and that is having one foot in the world and one foot in the kingdom of God. God likes us to be either one way or the other, not a mixture.

Rom 12:2 "Don't copy the behavior and customs of this world" applies to music as well.

You know Stryper's song "to hell with the devil" has double meaning lol.

I like Stryper and Alice Cooper, he's a Christian.

james1523,
excuse me if I am confused here.

please don't misread me too much brother, and try not to presume that I do or don't like or agree

my point was about the arguing and getting heavy with others and all the back and forth as even now I am finding myself doing??
catchy like a groovy beat!

the modern music is no different in it's ability to go overboard and have false motives or try a sensual approach or a wildness to excite or even a softness to calm than all other music before it
we live today
if the average musician in the hills or in the hall, from all eras had todays equipment and the psyche of today they would most probably be doing much the same thing
and
the listeners would have the same sort of responses
some declaring the devil went down to georgia others climbing the stairway to heaven and somewhere there may be a few who can partake in a beautiful expression of their hearts together or even alone
and do so in full and heart felt praise and worship to the Lord

let's not be too closed minded here, me included

most music, as the original thread writer bduke08 says can be boring or not someones cup of tea. even cat stevens and his tillerman or his cup of cold coffee!

(I am also glad that I'll make it to Heaven as you suggest - is that your opinion, brother, or is that too rude to ask?)
my point here again is that we all can get so excited in telling everyone what we think and too often it is only our personal opinion on the matter
let's be honest

yes, we can quote Scripture and make reference to it and to the Lord, but so do the Rock musicians - even Ronnie Biggs sang about such things - but that doesn't count for much - and neither does our arguing or is it better called something that sounds better? Discussing? It is hardly that and as I tried to say in previous post(s) here that is what music tends to be about, people expressing their love, their hate
feelings
opinions
rage
passions
and for some
worship

listen -
my song is this -

and mine is -

as Christians we do need to listen to the One who conducts it all and keep His hand in view and not our own

for me that means I do best to say no to it, the Rock because
my flesh LOOOOOOOOOoooooooves rock!
and a whole lotta loving at that
as well as all sorts of other music - and it can get a hold of you (well, me, anyway)

as for bikini wearing women, is that a big a problem, what they are wearing or that they are preaching at all, being women?

everybody has a taste for something and as you suggested we need to be able to apply things across the board, brother, and that includes taste and why stop with the taste for or against music? Why not all taste?
It gets ludicrous

and to quote ShelleyMaxwell on page 2 of this thread:
http://www.talkjesus.com/musicians/42157-christian-rock-2.html#post207448
I personally LOVE the band "Flyleaf". The lead singer is female, and the band is Christian; though they don't call themselves a Christian rock band most of their songs speak to their deep faith. Flyleaf is actually what brought me to Christianity to begin with. Their passion really spoke to me and I couldn't turn away from that. =)
what do we do with that? (or don't we as we are not God?)

music is an amazing thing
seven notes C D E F G A B
like the seven colors of the rainbow
amazing
and musical instruments are an invention or adaption of materials or even the parts of the body
whistling and yodeling included

but besides my personal flesh taste, there is still the fact that music can be as devilish as anything else and we all need to be aware of the affect and effect it can have and how much we give into it
and to balance it out we all have to be careful that we don't get so extreme about things that we make the Amish look like party-going heathen

this picture might help:
a man
a motorbike
an image or a vehicle?
if the motorbike goes to his head he'll be into Motor Head or something similar
if not he'll just be on the road again

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“Oh, sacred symmetry! oh, rare connection
Of many perfects, to make one perfection!
Oh, heavenly music, where all parts do meet
In one sweet strain, to make one perfect sweet!” CH Spurgeon

 

[james1523]

I'm not sure what is confusing Eddy Fire. There is Christian, and there is rock.. but Christian rock? Is that like saying Christian jeans, or Christian leather boots? If I preach the gospel to leather boots will that make them a Christian so they can go to shoe heaven? Then there is Christian Gorgio Armani clothing and, Christian Calvin Klein brand. So what other fashionable style would we like to call Christian?

 

[Boanerges]

Music was created for the worship of Gd. Using it that way is simply a restoration of its original intent; even if it stirs up a few religious spirits it is a good thing to worship God.

 

[lawrenceb]

...music (not Satanic noise which "stirs up a few religious spirits").

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light
Ephesians 5:6-8

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them
Ephesians 5:11


The Lord Jesus said in Matthew 7:18,20 "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit....Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."

The question this verse brings to mind is: What kind of fruit does rock and roll produce?
There is definite fruit to rock and roll and all of it is evil.
This demonic music has been the major tool and vehicle through which Satan popularized suicide, drug abuse, immorality, perversions (bestiality etc.), blasphemy against God and sacred things, homosexuality, occultism, and satanism.
Now God has said to Christians not to have any fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness.
Rock and roll is an unfruitful work of darkness and Christians have no business trying to imitate those who are on the broad road to destruction. Christians also have no business listening to secular rock as it is all an abomination to God.


Religious rock is a cheap imitation of secular rock and roll.
These religious rockers, like the secular, play their music at the same ear-splitting level and give off the same nightclub bar-room atmosphere with all the coloured lights, smoke pots, and special effects.

Little do these religious rockers realize, but as they identify and imitate the secular rock scene they are indirectly giving approval to that type of morality and lifestyle.
As a result they are a path of destruction for others.
Note: The reason rock and roll is played so loud is because at high decibel levels a person's conscience and inihibitions are numbed.
That individual can be more easily programmed to accept satan's standards instead of God's.


What does God have to say about all this compromise and fellowship with evil?

In 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 God says: "

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you."

After reading this it can be seen that coming out and being separate from evil is not the cheap imitation and monkey-see-monkey-do that the religious rock scene portrays. Again, where is the discernment between good and evil within the church?
Extract from Religious Rock..The music of devils in the Church

Full article RELIGIOUS ROCK... The music of devils in the CHURCH!!!

 

[Boanerges]

Act 17:22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.


Sadly, it is what is on the inside that makes one unclean, not the rhythm of the music he sings.

Luk 11:39 And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness.
Luk 11:40 Ye fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also?
Luk 11:41 But rather give alms of such things as ye have; and, behold, all things are clean unto you.

This thread is obviously going nowhere so I am moving on- everyone have a blessed day.

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Act 17:22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.


Sadly, it is what is on the inside that makes one unclean, not the rhythm of the music he sings.

Luk 11:39 And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness.
Luk 11:40 Ye fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also?
Luk 11:41 But rather give alms of such things as ye have; and, behold, all things are clean unto you.

This thread is obviously going nowhere so I am moving on- everyone have a blessed day.

@Boanerges

Apologies if my post was offensive to you brother....I realize the extract of the article I posted is worded very strongly.
Although I'm personally not in agreement with Christian rock......I do love worship music, hymns and spiritual songs

 

[revbrad]

Worship is of the spirit and heart. You can have hymns, rock, boogie, country, bluegrass or whatever and not have worship.
In my opinion, there is no worship music. There is music with a message, music that stirs emotions, music that calms, music that pumps up and so on.
A vile evil person can sing hymns, is it worship? A good godly person can sing vulgar songs, is it worship?
There are songs that have a message that moves me and causes me to think on God and godly things. However, that is not worship.
True worship is from my heart when I realize that God is worthy and deserves to be worshiped.
Worship is not emotional stimulation brought on by music.

Worship is one thing...music another

 

[lawrenceb]

"Follow the money."

What do we know about Satan?

He was “anointed,” which is a term denoting the bestowment of a sacred trust (Ezekiel 28:14 KJB).

He radiated “brightness,” which is a word found 22 times in the Holy Bible and is exclusively associated with the glory that radiates from a supreme potentate (Ezekiel 28:17).

He was originally covered with precious stones, as were the high priests (Ezekiel 28:13).

He was associated with a throne (Isaiah 14:13).

Satan's original sin involved merchandising (Ezekiel 28:16). What is he "selling" today?

Satan has musical pipes which were built into his body on the day he wes created, which makes him an organic musical instrument (Ezekiel 28:13).

Is it any surprise that the world is presently bathed in his perverted "music?"

 

[Eddy Fire]

Worship is of the spirit and heart. You can have hymns, rock, boogie, country, bluegrass or whatever and not have worship.
In my opinion, there is no worship music. There is music with a message, music that stirs emotions, music that calms, music that pumps up and so on.
A vile evil person can sing hymns, is it worship? A good godly person can sing vulgar songs, is it worship?
There are songs that have a message that moves me and causes me to think on God and godly things. However, that is not worship.
True worship is from my heart when I realize that God is worthy and deserves to be worshiped.
Worship is not emotional stimulation brought on by music.

Worship is one thing...music another

in agreement with you @revbrad

and @lawrenceb you nearly took the words right out of my mouth - the money side of a lot of the music defiles the act of worship and yet that can not be the defining point against all music as many do music without cost

If customers would cease from being customers of popular 'worship' artists the level of popularity would quite possibly drop considerably and the customers would find that they can still worship without spending money without putting another dime into the 'worship' jukebox
worship is a holy act and never should someone or anyone make money from anything holy - full stop

as revbrad states, worship is not music

however, getting back to the original thread -
perhaps try sport etc without music ?
if you are training it will hinder you if your achievements in sport 'depend' on the music
I agree that music can get you into a level of motion or thought that blanks out other thoughts and of course the tempo and rhythm can set a beat to work by - BUT if you are into competition you will not be able to 'use' music at competition time and therefore as you might
have been accustomed to 'using' music in training
it will be missing at competition time and therefore you will not perform the same
the same is true of study for those who listen habitually to music while studying - when it comes to exam time the missing music leaves the thought process naked so to speak and you can be hindered by the lack of what you are 'addicted' to.

I see your idea though @bduke08 much like a drummer would beat a rhythm and tempo in the galleys and ships that utilized men rowing with oars and it helped keep the mind inactive to the work being done as it set the motion for the men to pull by

same sort of thing with drumming for soldiers marching long hikes
quite naturally a Christian today would want to find and choose something that had a Christian message to it

what sort of sport were you referring to?
or were you just using sport to give the idea of energetic music?

a lot of music can have both the exceedingly fast with an extremely slow
hendrix and his trio played like that - and yes I know they were not christian based etc even though they had a strong moral and ethical statement in a lot of their stuff - I used this as an example and also to help round off the consensus displayed here about music in general - point being that if you are looking for an energetic style it may have the slooooowww undertone - no, not back-masking! - and if you choose incorrectly and want a bit of zing, you might find that you have something that drains you or slows your reaction time etc?
Sister Rosetta Tharpe certainly played some snappy boogie! Not sure if you would gather many of her songs though - enough to keep you 'going'
you could try The Boogie Woogie Jesus Project ?

just remember that music is not worship and there really is alternatives to using music
silence is a wonderful thing but that doesn't mean to cut off your ears or get around with earplugs in!!

and keep in mind that all things bright and beautiful might not always be so - that there is even the dark side to the moon

do you have any comments about your thread here bduke08? lots of interesting challenging and even encouraging posts as well as the recommendations for who might be a good choice.


1Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power.
2Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness.
3Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.
4Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
5Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals.
6Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.
Psalm 150

 

[james1523]

When we're worshipping God in spirit and truth, it's very rare for us to sing a rock and roll tune to God lol, it's rather strange actually. In the 2000 year history of the church... psalms, hymns and spiritual songs have never been sung to rock and roll beat.

 

[Aadi]

Try searching for John Waller. He rocks. ;P

 

[Estrella]

For those who like not only rock but also Christian metal, I would recommend some great bands:
Narnia, Theocracy, HB, Divinefire, Harmony, Sacred Warrior, Golden Resurrection, Audiovision, Veni Domine,
Speciallly Theocracy is awesome.

 

[WinterStorm]

For those who like not only rock but also Christian metal, I would recommend some great bands:
Narnia, Theocracy, HB, Divinefire, Harmony, Sacred Warrior, Golden Resurrection, Audiovision, Veni Domine,
Speciallly Theocracy is awesome

i'm into all those Bands Accept HB

 

[Estrella]

And 2 months ago I was blessed to be at a Theocracy concert in my country!
They really glorify God through their music and lyrics and the lyrics are very clear about what is the main message (unlike some other popular so called Christian bands); the singer (who also writes the lyrics and music) is so talended but also humble.
Their song I AM is one of my most loved songs ever.
The concert wasn't just a Christian event and surely there were also non Christian metal fans enjoying it and singing... I hope at least some of them will have given more thought to what they were really singing about.

 

[HolyLight]

Creed are amazing the bit with arms and stuff really changed my life

 

[Shutterbug]

I recall listening to Christian Rock music in a Christian bookstore in the late 70's. To this day, I'm not sure if was the player, the acoustics in the place, or poor studio engineering, but I had great difficulty discerning words. it doesn't matter if you use a Jew's Harp, a guitar, a pipe organ, a 3-piece band, or a symphony orchestra; if it's played to an audience, it's for entertainment. At the end of the day, it's also about money. I use Sonar X2 for setting both hymns and gospel songs to music. Some times it's just a piano, other times it's a pop beat using music transcribed from secular songs. I listen to them and they would make fair Karaoke music. Do I believe the Lord would approve? My feeling is not at all.

My general feeling regarding music (and a thousand other things) is that if it's not done to further the Kingdom, it's a waste of time. Yeah, it get us through life as we choose to live it. But, will it get us into Heaven?

I think the only gospel album I have that I can still play features Mahalia Jackson. While the lady can sing very well, I find singing along with her can be challenging because of her singing style. Elvis spent many hours singing gospel songs after concerts. I truly feel that he was trying to get back something which had been long lost. A story about his original appearance on the Ed Sullivan show: he was hired to sing a song and Elvis also wanted to add the song "Peace In The Valley" because of a promise to his mother. Ed did not want that as such songs were not sung on his show. Elvis stated that if he could not sing the hymn, he wouldn't be singing any songs on the show. Because Elvis was a big name then, Ed relented and allowed Elvis to sing the hymn. Cheers, John