Climate Change (Global Warming): Real or Hoax?

[Hekuran]

Why are you leaving out the information that although some unusual amount of ice is melting, other parts are increasing in ice formation with an overall plus?

Ah, now a couple of days ago you recommended not relying on scientists for information, and only trust information you've verified personally of had revealed through the Holy Spirit.

Is it data collected by scientists you are referring to here? Zwally at NASA?

 

[Quantrill]

Nobody I'm aware of is claiming that seasons will end.

Gen. 8:22 does not mention ice caps, so of limited value as an argument against ice caps retreating. And the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets are melting already.

Wait till next winter.

Quantrill

 

[Hekuran]

Wait till next winter.

Quantrill

What's going to happen next winter?

 

[Brad Huber]

Ah, now a couple of days ago you recommended not relying on scientists for information, and only trust information you've verified personally of had revealed through the Holy Spirit.

Is it data collected by scientists you are referring to here? Zwally at NASA?

You rely on what the media tells you, and I read what I said in the media. I guess you now only accept media that agrees with your view?

 

[Hekuran]

You rely on what the media tells you, and I read what I said in the media. I guess you now only accept media that agrees with your view?

You guess wrong.

I'm happy to talk through what you've read, but to have a constructive discussion, we'll need to know what you have read. If it's reporting on the Zwally NASA research, there's a reason I didn't include it.

 

[Quantrill]

What's going to happen next winter?

It's going to get cold again.

Stranger

 

[Hekuran]

It's going to get cold again.

Stranger

Proverbs 26:4-5 springs to mind

 

[Sue D.]

Depends on which state a person lives in.

In south Texas we don't have seasons per se. For instance a 'winter' can be almost anything. We can have beautiful warm weather wearing short sleeves and shorts one years and the next go from cold front to cold front and occasionally even have snow that lasts for half a day. Ya just never know down around here.

 

[Brad Huber]

You guess wrong.

I'm happy to talk through what you've read, but to have a constructive discussion, we'll need to know what you have read. If it's reporting on the Zwally NASA research, there's a reason I didn't include it.

I rarely keep track of information so that I can prove other people wrong. Its very time consuming, and I find it best to share what I have found, and let those who are finding fault with what I said to find out the truth if they really want to. But most people really dont want to, and usually strangely have access to all kinds of links that supposedly support their narrative, as if they are a force of manipulation of data to forward some ideology. As I said, I tend to trust in what the Holy Spirit tells me both about situations in the world, and even sometimes about people who converse with me at times. So if you want to really really learn more about something outside your sphere of influence that you focus on, join groups on facebook that are anti to your supported views and look into what they say and how they are supported and finally ASK the Holy Spirit for guidance.

 

[Hekuran]

I rarely keep track of information so that I can prove other people wrong. Its very time consuming, and I find it best to share what I have found, and let those who are finding fault with what I said to find out the truth if they really want to. But most people really dont want to, and usually strangely have access to all kinds of links that supposedly support their narrative, as if they are a force of manipulation of data to forward some ideology. As I said, I tend to trust in what the Holy Spirit tells me both about situations in the world, and even sometimes about people who converse with me at times. So if you want to really really learn more about something outside your sphere of influence that you focus on, join groups on facebook that are anti to your supported views and look into what they say and how they are supported and finally ASK the Holy Spirit for guidance.

I agree with you completely about the value of challenging ourselves with contrary views.

I'm really glad of my good friends hold polar opposite views to me on politics, social policy the way the world is going etc. Even I find it difficult to fathom how they get to their conclusions, they keep me from getting lazy in my ideas.

I'd suggest that facebook groups are not the best place to go, though. Often (not always) the content of social media groups is made up of people sharing opinions about information about facts that have circulated through large media corporations. You are as likely to find confusion and falsehood as clarity and truth.

A more fruitful thing to do is to track down the source. When the tv tells us "experts say..." it's usually easy enough to find out who the experts are, uncover source of the media report and then check that against what's been reported. An advantage of this is that you fairly quickly find out who reports news reliably, and who skews information to some agenda.

I sometimes hear my Christian friends -- even preachers -- say things such as "there's no concept of forgiveness in Islam". A very quick google search (forgivemess qu'ran) can check what the Qur'an actually says.

The Holy Spirit is perfectly reliable, but in humility I have to say that my ability to discern the Holy Spirit's prompting is deeply imperfect. Sometimes I hear the voice of God with clarity, at other times I've got it horribly wrong. Depending on revelation from God is also not an easy way to address differing views. If one person says "God told me 'A'" and another says "God told me 'not A'", its very difficult to discuss without getting into a personal conversation about who truly hearing from the Holy Spirit.

 

[Brad Huber]

I agree with you completely about the value of challenging ourselves with contrary views.

I'm really glad of my good friends hold polar opposite views to me on politics, social policy the way the world is going etc. Even I find it difficult to fathom how they get to their conclusions, they keep me from getting lazy in my ideas.

I'd suggest that facebook groups are not the best place to go, though. Often (not always) the content of social media groups is made up of people sharing opinions about information about facts that have circulated through large media corporations. You are as likely to find confusion and falsehood as clarity and truth.

A more fruitful thing to do is to track down the source. When the tv tells us "experts say..." it's usually easy enough to find out who the experts are, uncover source of the media report and then check that against what's been reported. An advantage of this is that you fairly quickly find out who reports news reliably, and who skews information to some agenda.

I sometimes hear my Christian friends -- even preachers -- say things such as "there's no concept of forgiveness in Islam". A very quick google search (forgivemess qu'ran) can check what the Qur'an actually says.

The Holy Spirit is perfectly reliable, but in humility I have to say that my ability to discern the Holy Spirit's prompting is deeply imperfect. Sometimes I hear the voice of God with clarity, at other times I've got it horribly wrong. Depending on revelation from God is also not an easy way to address differing views. If one person says "God told me 'A'" and another says "God told me 'not A'", its very difficult to discuss without getting into a personal conversation about who truly hearing from the Holy Spirit.

Facebook is full of stuff thats half true or out right lies, but the only thing I value IS stuff that isnt just opinion, but more substantial, like a teaching of scripture, as applied to a situation, or some kind of news, which shows what news source. And I dont automatically discard news from sources that are sometimes wrong. All major news networks often put their own political slant into reporting, and sometimes outright lies. A good example is Adam Schiff (who is the ranking member of the intelligence committee) who said there was definite evidence against Trump in collusion with Russia, that he had seen it with his own eyes, And yet after about 2 years of a thorough investigation, with most media blasting Trump about the collusion that he "obviously did", it turns out that there was no evidence of such a collusion, so Schiff outright lied about it, and yet the "respected news organizations" all portrayed him and others who are also against Trump as being righteous and Trump being evil and corrupt. Even after the finished report proving Trump innocent, those same news organizations doubled down saying that Trump corrupted everyone involved, giving false reports. The Holy Spirit tells me that although Trump is no saint, he is a patriot and wants to help the american ppl against a very very corrupt bunch of politicians who would make our nation part of the one world govt, with one world religion. So although I dont always agree with his methods, he unlike most politicians actually wants to help "citizens" of the US stand "against" the corruption that is sooooooooooo prevalent in govt. He can only do so much as he tries to do it legally, and their is a lot of corrupt ppl in power who use all their power to thwart anyone outside their influence (and he definitely is outside that influence).

 

[Laeomis]

I believe in climate change. We learn in school, that if you put something into the atmosphere it doesn't just go away. With all the cars and energy we consume everyday blowing exhaust in the air it is common sense that it is going to impact the environment. It really just seems like common sense to me.

 

[Quantrill]

I believe in climate change. We learn in school, that if you put something into the atmosphere it doesn't just go away. With all the cars and energy we consume everyday blowing exhaust in the air it is common sense that it is going to impact the environment. It really just seems like common sense to me.

Do you believe the Bible?

Quantrill

 

[Laeomis]

Do you believe the Bible?

Quantrill

Yes.

 

[Quantrill]

Yes.

What does (Gen. 8:22) mean?

Quantrill

 

[Hekuran]

What does (Gen. 8:22) mean?

Quantrill

Quantrill, I've dealt with the meaning of Gen. 8:22 in a couple of places on this thread already. It's God's promise that there will always be seasons; there's no promise that the climate will never change.

 

[Quantrill]

Quantrill, I've dealt with the meaning of Gen. 8:22 in a couple of places on this thread already. It's God's promise that there will always be seasons; there's no promise that the climate will never change.

Some summers here it is 100 degrees or more for 90 days. Other summers we hit 100 only 20 or 30. That is a change of temperature, but not climate change. Same with winter. We have various temperature change from winter to winter.

If God's promise of the seasons consists of cold and heat, summer and winter, that is a promise that there will be no climate change. (Gen. 8:22)

Quantrill

 

[Laeomis]

What does (Gen. 8:22) mean?

Quantrill

Ok, but that's not a promise of no pollution or that God won't spit people out of the land for driving their cars around 7 days a week like he promised he would do in the Torah and for denying the sabbath years and Jubilee. He said the earth must be given rest, and it is not getting it.

 

[Hekuran]

Some summers here it is 100 degrees or more for 90 days. Other summers we hit 100 only 20 or 30. That is a change of temperature, but not climate change. Same with winter. We have various temperature change from winter to winter.

If God's promise of the seasons consists of cold and heat, summer and winter, that is a promise that there will be no climate change. (Gen. 8:22)

Quantrill

Not it's not. There will always be weather, there will always be seasons, there will always be climate. Weather changes from day to day, seasons on an annual cycle and climate changes are recorded over a longer period.

 

[Quantrill]

Ok, but that's not a promise of no pollution or that God won't spit people out of the land for driving their cars around 7 days a week like he promised he would do in the Torah and for denying the sabbath years and Jubilee. He said the earth must be given rest, and it is not getting it.

Nice speech. But what does (Gen. 8:22) mean when it says, "While the earth remaineth"?

Quantrill