Conversing with other religions

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Well, that is what I said. God used the hands of man to do it, and the hands that did it became responsible to God for it.

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Not so. How could God the Father hold condemnation of all the men present for the feasts, on a Thursday evening, Friday morning too holy for such an event responsible for something (the trial, beating, and crucifixion) they didn't know they were doing wrong? Most were simply arriving to prepare for the feast week. Jesus forgave them all, especially the actual evil actors, the Jewish rulers and Roman soldiers. The general populace of Jews were observers obeying the rulers and even the soldiers like Jesus commanded hearers to do.
Luke 23:34 (KJV)
34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

Yet they were the ones hearing the news from Peter, repenting for something their hands did not do, and establishing the original Church of at least 3,000 souls. Peter was technically right to implicate the entire nation for not believing Jesus, like probably exemplified by Americans who are not taking an active stand against immorality. Some repent for the whole, but is Jesus forgiving still like at the cross? I doubt it, because the average Joe didn't know then, but they do today. God ordained what happened to Jesus back then, but what's going on today...

 

[Dovegiven]

Jesus was not a master of Judaism. He was a Master of the Word of God given to the Jews. What God gave was not corrupt. What the Jews made of it, Judaism, was corrupt.

Jesus always brought the Jews back to the Scripture. "It is written". He didn't try and bring them back to a 'Judaism'.

Then don't discuss it.

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No discussion, only another firm Not So.

 

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No discussion, only another firm Not So.

That's deep.

(John 5:45-46) "Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?"

The Pentateuch , the Prophets, the Writings, were all from God to the Jews. But Judaism was not from God. It was and is the distortion. The Jews today would kill Christ just as they did before. Judaism doesn't believe their own writings which are from God.

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[Dovegiven]

That's deep.

(John 5:45-46) "Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?"

The Pentateuch , the Prophets, the Writings, were all from God to the Jews. But Judaism was not from God. It was and is the distortion. The Jews today would kill Christ just as they did before. Judaism doesn't believe their own writings which are from God.

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Oh...cry me a river.

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[Dovegiven]

= Disappointed

 

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= Disappointed

Which equals crybaby.

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[Dovegiven]

Which equals crybaby.

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Let the record stand. Also, Jesus was highly disappointed over Jerusalem, and did weep over them.

 

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Let the record stand. Also, Jesus was highly disappointed over Jerusalem, and did weep over them.

So, why are you disappointed. Is it because of what Jesus said in (John 5:45-46)? If Judaism believed their own Old Testament, Moses, and God, they would come to Christ. But they don't.

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[Dovegiven]

So, why are you disappointed. Is it because of what Jesus said in (John 5:45-46)? If Judaism believed their own Old Testament, Moses, and God, they would come to Christ. But they don't.

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Those DIDN'T. Many DO.
Jesus was speaking to a group of Jewish leaders who had much authority, who were in modern terms "Deep State". Those men were abusing their authority to retain power. Since those days many Jews, including leaders, have accepted Jesus as Savior. Many proponents of Judaism have come to Jesus Christ to today.

 

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Those DIDN'T. Many DO.
Jesus was speaking to a group of Jewish leaders who had much authority, who were in modern terms "Deep State". Those men were abusing their authority to retain power. Since those days many Jews, including leaders, have accepted Jesus as Savior. Many proponents of Judaism have come to Jesus Christ to today.

So? All that means is that they reject Judaism, which rejects Christ, and they are obedient to that which God gave to Moses and the prophets.

Go to Judaism today and tell them Christ is the Messiah. Go to a synogogue in Jerusalem and tell them. Then tell me the reaction you get. That will be Judaism.

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