Conversing with other religions

[Quantrill]

No smoke here. I have to assume then you think Jesus died to fulfill what God gave to Moses and the prophets, all a false religion, which Jesus grew up obeying and supporting, every feast, every sacrifice, keeping the whole Law perfectly. That was true Judaism in His day. I now know what and who you are of. I have written enough to get the truth out, all supported by simply reading the Bible cover to cover. Try it once a year or two. It only takes about a hundred hours of reading for the average reader, not counting the many "rabbit trails" I jump into along the way. C'mon, you can do it. :grin:

That which God gave to Moses in the Old Testament was not Judaism. Jesus Christ fulfilled much that was written of Him in the Old Testament and much is yet to be fulfilled. Judaism became the religion of the Jews which God hated and despised, as (Amos 5:21-22) declares. Christ therefore in confronting Judaism, arguing and debating with the Scribes, Pharisees, etc., was in reality arguing with a false religion. It was no longer of God, but of the Jews.

Jesus kept the Law perfectly. He did not keep Judaism. Thus the constant conflict.

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[Quantrill]

My Canon is made up of 81 books, would you consider me to be a Christian or some other religion?

Since that is all I know of you then I would say you have started off on the wrong foot and I cannot say yea or nay as to you being a Christian.

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[BodyAndBlood]

Since that is all I know of you then I would say you have started off on the wrong foot and I cannot say yea or nay as to you being a Christian.

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Well actually, I would say you have with me. If I say what my Canon is why would I be starting off on the wrong foot? I am Christian obviously according to my love of Yeshua and most importantly because He first has loved me , I am simply asking what people here consider to be Christian as not to waste yours or my time and get into unhealthy conflict. So much for Brotherly love. If the wrong foot with you is my Canon number, then I got your number.

 

[Quantrill]

Well actually, I would say you have with me. If I say what my Canon is why would I be starting off on the wrong foot? I am Christian obviously according to my love of Yeshua and most importantly because He first has loved me , I am simply asking what people here consider to be Christian as not to waste yours or my time and get into unhealthy conflict. So much for Brotherly love. If the wrong foot with you is my Canon number, then I got your number.

For me to believe you are Christian, but only telling me your canon of Scripture is 81 books opposed to the 66 books, then you have started off on the wrong foot. In other words you give me more information to believe you are not Christian than that you are Christian.

What are the extra 15 books?

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[BodyAndBlood]

John 13:34-35
34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another

I am here out of love. You do not have to accept all I say. I am simply seeking to share what is put upon my heart to. If you disagree that is certainly up to you. But what danger or harm would I be doing by simply sharing what I know? Is this like the Vatican of Rome where dissenting views of whatever present doctrines is not accepted? If I uphold my convictions with scripture what could I be doing wrong?

Obviously I am speaking from an Ethiopian perspective concerning my Canon. There are other Canons. Obviously I do not reject yours because well, I possess them too, and yes .....more. Some here do venture to delve into my beloved prophet Enoch and his writings so I thought I would venture to discuss differing Christian views. I mean after all ,Christianity has been here for a while and the Ethiopians do hold the complete oldest bible known. To that point, Ethiopians are called His people in the scriptures, even your Canon reveals that. We do have gifts that no other have and will bring them to those who have His name upon their heads as per Isaiah's prophesies. It is not time yet, it will be during the Hallelujah period which follows after the Fall of Babylon and all the harlot churches which the Mother of all harlots has spawned. The sixth seal is a blessing for the elect and the pause or the shortening of the tribulation events. Rev.19 is a joyous celebration!
Well I will leave this discussion, it is proven to be very hostile already. Keep searching for that brotherly love that Christ so desires Christians to show. I will communion and fellowship elsewhere. I am not sure how you will be able to show love to your enemies if you treat others in Christ so dismissively ???
Moving on my friend or enemy, in any case......,may the fullness of Christ through rebirth (being born again in spirit) in Him lead to maturity and full restoration . Love and peace in Yeshua ha Mashiach (Jesus the Christ)!,

 

[Dovegiven]

For me to believe you are Christian, but only telling me your canon of Scripture is 81 books opposed to the 66 books, then you have started off on the wrong foot. In other words you give me more information to believe you are not Christian than that you are Christian.

What are the extra 15 books?

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It's probably the full ancient Septuagint, the only Bible written in Greek in Jesus' times, based on the Hebrew Bible Masoretic text. Not everyone could master Hebrew back then, and few today could handle the precise lettering of it. There is not one hint in modern Bible versions that reading non-canonnical texts is a sin. In fact, our modern Bibles reveal unnamed letters, such as Paul's reference of the Letter from Laodicia, which is said to be lost. Our 66 canon books contain writings of disputed authorship, such as the Book of Hebrews and Revelation, which didn't distinguish exactly which John was possible.

I think someone owes an apology to another offended over a non-vital issue.

 

[Chad4Him]

Are other Christians such as Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo, Greek Orthodox , Russian Orthodox , Byzantine, Roman Catholic, Messianic and Protestant ( of different sects) consider to be Christian here or other religions?

Matthew 12:49And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! 50For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

I don't think God looks at labels that people have, but rather, He can see our heart and judges us according to whether or not we have come into his kingdom through Jesus, and whether we are doing His will. People can say they are "Christian" or belong to a "Christian" group but that means nothing. What matters is if we have repented of our sins, become a new creature in Christ, and are following Him.

 

[Quantrill]

John 13:34-35
34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another

I am here out of love. You do not have to accept all I say. I am simply seeking to share what is put upon my heart to. If you disagree that is certainly up to you. But what danger or harm would I be doing by simply sharing what I know? Is this like the Vatican of Rome where dissenting views of whatever present doctrines is not accepted? If I uphold my convictions with scripture what could I be doing wrong?

Obviously I am speaking from an Ethiopian perspective concerning my Canon. There are other Canons. Obviously I do not reject yours because well, I possess them too, and yes .....more. Some here do venture to delve into my beloved prophet Enoch and his writings so I thought I would venture to discuss differing Christian views. I mean after all ,Christianity has been here for a while and the Ethiopians do hold the complete oldest bible known. To that point, Ethiopians are called His people in the scriptures, even your Canon reveals that. We do have gifts that no other have and will bring them to those who have His name upon their heads as per Isaiah's prophesies. It is not time yet, it will be during the Hallelujah period which follows after the Fall of Babylon and all the harlot churches which the Mother of all harlots has spawned. The sixth seal is a blessing for the elect and the pause or the shortening of the tribulation events. Rev.19 is a joyous celebration!
Well I will leave this discussion, it is proven to be very hostile already. Keep searching for that brotherly love that Christ so desires Christians to show. I will communion and fellowship elsewhere. I am not sure how you will be able to show love to your enemies if you treat others in Christ so dismissively ???
Moving on my friend or enemy, in any case......,may the fullness of Christ through rebirth (being born again in spirit) in Him lead to maturity and full restoration . Love and peace in Yeshua ha Mashiach (Jesus the Christ)!,

That's so sweet. Just really moves me. You are here out of 'love'.

You are not sharing what you know. I asked you, what are the extra 15 books that you include in the canon of Scripture. Yet you do not answer.

Ethiopians don't get to determine what books are in the Bible.

You speak much of 'brotherly love'. My sense is that you use 'brotherly love' to interject some perverted doctrines.

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[Quantrill]

It's probably the full ancient Septuagint, the only Bible written in Greek in Jesus' times, based on the Hebrew Bible Masoretic text. Not everyone could master Hebrew back then, and few today could handle the precise lettering of it. There is not one hint in modern Bible versions that reading non-canonnical texts is a sin. In fact, our modern Bibles reveal unnamed letters, such as Paul's reference of the Letter from Laodicia, which is said to be lost. Our 66 canon books contain writings of disputed authorship, such as the Book of Hebrews and Revelation, which didn't distinguish exactly which John was possible.

I think someone owes an apology to another offended over a non-vital issue.

The Jews knew Hebrew quite well. I dare say they were masters of it.

You can read all the non-canonical writings you like. Just don't pretend they are Scripture.

Just because Paul wrote a letter didn't make it inspired by God. Only the inspired writings of God are in the canon. Just because a book was disuputed didn't make it not inspired by God. Because it was included in the canon is proof of the inspiration of God despite mans arguments.

I am not asking for any apology.

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[BodyAndBlood]

Taming the Tongue James 3:5-8
…5In the same way, the tongue is a small part of the body, but it boasts of great things. Consider how small a spark sets a great forest ablaze. 6The tongue also is a fire, a world of wickedness among the parts of the body. It pollutes the whole person, sets the course of his life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell. 7All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles, and creatures of the sea are being tamed and have been tamed by man,…8but no man can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.


Isaiah 18:7
A Message to Cush
…6They will all be left to the mountain birds of prey, and to the beasts of the land. The birds will feed on them in summer, and all the wild animals in winter. 7At that time gifts will be brought to the LORD of Hosts— from a people tall, with bronzed smooth-skinned, from a people widely feared, from a powerful nation of strange speech, whose land is divided by rivers— (to Mount Zion) REV. 14, the place of the Name of the LORD of Hosts.

God will first shake off the pestilence known as false churches and their so called Christians =wolves in sheep's clothing. After the sixth seal the birds will feast.
God's Judgment on the Ungodly
…11Woe to them! They have traveled the path of Cain; they have rushed headlong into the error of Balaam; they have perished in Korah’s rebellion. 12These men are the hidden reefs in your love feasts, shamelessly feasting with you but shepherding only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried along by the wind; fruitless trees in autumn, twice dead after being uprooted. 13They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.…

Correct no Ethiopian and this also goes for all men, determines what is Canon, only God does.



Purification of the Nations Zephaniah 3:9-11
9For then I will restore pure lips to the peoples, that all may call upon the name of the LORD and serve Him shoulder to shoulder. 10From beyond the rivers of Cush My worshipers, My scattered people, will bring Me an offering. 11On that day you will not be put to shame for any of the deeds by which you transgress against Me. For then I will remove from among you those who rejoice in their pride, and you will never again be haughty on My holy mountain.…

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Brothers and Sisters in Christ Jesus our Lord

Please can you show love and respect for others in your postings to one another.
Also stay on topic

As believers we need to be united in Him.....so that those lost in other religions see Christ shining through

And this is life eternal, that they might know Thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent
John 17:3

 

[Dovegiven]

That which God gave to Moses in the Old Testament was not Judaism. Jesus Christ fulfilled much that was written of Him in the Old Testament and much is yet to be fulfilled. Judaism became the religion of the Jews which God hated and despised, as (Amos 5:21-22) declares. Christ therefore in confronting Judaism, arguing and debating with the Scribes, Pharisees, etc., was in reality arguing with a false religion. It was no longer of God, but of the Jews.
Jesus kept the Law perfectly. He did not keep Judaism. Thus the constant conflict.
Quantrill

For anyone desiring true facts:
Maybe you will understand a secular definition of Judaism from Wiki. "Judaism (originally from Hebrew יהודה ‬, Yehudah, "Judah"; via Latin and Greek) is the religion of the Jewish people. It is an ancient, monotheistic, Abrahamic religion with the Torah as its foundational text." That existed long before any Pharisees appeared. It was given by God through angels at Mt. Sinai. The degree to which anyone kept the religion or not didn't change it's holiness. Jesus kept the Torah perfectly. That meant He kept Judaism perfectly, but rejected Phariseeism.

Romans 7:7-12 (KJV)
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Nothing added by scribes (lawyers) in league with Pharisees (politicians) and some corrupt priests could change the Pentateuch. Not even wicked Chief Priests could change what was written. Anyone following them added corruption to holiness. We find some of those in the NT exhibited a right attitude toward Jesus and the apostles.

Amos came before Israel and Judah were taken into 70 years of captivity. Did you know God promised them He would return, and He would return to them back in their own lands? It took that captivity to purge them of their sins. Well, He did and they did what He promised Jeremiah et. al. Read the last three prophets of the OT to learn how God restored everything, and made no changes to the religion of the Jews through Jesus' time, not since. They lost their temple again, but it will be rebuilt, aand their restored nation will continue on to celebration once purged of sins in the Tribulation. That holy religion has remained so, best observed by Orthodox Jews considering the lack of a temple and sacrifies on it's altar. They will soon learn why God stopped that practice once the blood of Jesus was applied 2000 years ago.

It is playing into the hands of Satan to say anything of God is false. You are bordering blasphemy of the Spirit. You are better off remaining silent about things not understood. Eternal salvation doesn't come by way of Judaism, but that religion serves the tenets of God's exposure of sin as explained by the Apostle Paul in Romans 7 and other places in scriptures.

The Church worldwide has suffered much like the Jews due to sins and ignorance, weakness, and oppressions. Let's not be haughty about that.

 

[Dovegiven]

The Jews knew Hebrew quite well. I dare say they were masters of it.

You can read all the non-canonical writings you like. Just don't pretend they are Scripture.

Just because Paul wrote a letter didn't make it inspired by God. Only the inspired writings of God are in the canon. Just because a book was disuputed didn't make it not inspired by God. Because it was included in the canon is proof of the inspiration of God despite mans arguments.

I am not asking for any apology.

Quantrill

Common folks spoke aramaic and written language, also the international koine Greek spoken language in Jesus' time. Hebrew was for clerics and scholars. Some Hebrew words and names were mixed in, like we mix words of different languages today, maybe using a few Hispanic words yet not able to converse in that. The Roman Empire made it that way then, especially in Israel since it was the main gateway of the Levant, linking three continents and the trade commerce of that huge area. Hebrew was used in the synagogues and Temple as it is today among Orthodox Jews and other related factions, who in the USA tend to mainly employ American English. Latin is sometimes the official liturgical language in some places of wroship, like when the Pope is known to speak Latin in public.

I see you didn't pay attention to my latest posts, emerging even more confused, so I plan to move on and let you do whatever without further comment, in effect shaking the dust off my feet. I never plan to confuse anyone.

 

[Quantrill]

For anyone desiring true facts:
Maybe you will understand a secular definition of Judaism from Wiki. "Judaism (originally from Hebrew יהודה ‬, Yehudah, "Judah"; via Latin and Greek) is the religion of the Jewish people. It is an ancient, monotheistic, Abrahamic religion with the Torah as its foundational text." That existed long before any Pharisees appeared. It was given by God through angels at Mt. Sinai. The degree to which anyone kept the religion or not didn't change it's holiness. Jesus kept the Torah perfectly. That meant He kept Judaism perfectly, but rejected Phariseeism.

Romans 7:7-12 (KJV)
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Nothing added by scribes (lawyers) in league with Pharisees (politicians) and some corrupt priests could change the Pentateuch. Not even wicked Chief Priests could change what was written. Anyone following them added corruption to holiness. We find some of those in the NT exhibited a right attitude toward Jesus and the apostles.

Amos came before Israel and Judah were taken into 70 years of captivity. Did you know God promised them He would return, and He would return to them back in their own lands? It took that captivity to purge them of their sins. Well, He did and they did what He promised Jeremiah et. al. Read the last three prophets of the OT to learn how God restored everything, and made no changes to the religion of the Jews through Jesus' time, not since. They lost their temple again, but it will be rebuilt, aand their restored nation will continue on to celebration once purged of sins in the Tribulation. That holy religion has remained so, best observed by Orthodox Jews considering the lack of a temple and sacrifies on it's altar. They will soon learn why God stopped that practice once the blood of Jesus was applied 2000 years ago.

It is playing into the hands of Satan to say anything of God is false. You are bordering blasphemy of the Spirit. You are better off remaining silent about things not understood. Eternal salvation doesn't come by way of Judaism, but that religion serves the tenets of God's exposure of sin as explained by the Apostle Paul in Romans 7 and other places in scriptures.

The Church worldwide has suffered much like the Jews due to sins and ignorance, weakness, and oppressions. Let's not be haughty about that.

I haven't said anything of God is false. I have said Judaism is of the Jews, not of God. Just like Jesus Christ said. Was He being 'haughty'?

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[Quantrill]

Common folks spoke aramaic and written language, also the international koine Greek spoken language in Jesus' time. Hebrew was for clerics and scholars. Some Hebrew words and names were mixed in, like we mix words of different languages today, maybe using a few Hispanic words yet not able to converse in that. The Roman Empire made it that way then, especially in Israel since it was the main gateway of the Levant, linking three continents and the trade commerce of that huge area. Hebrew was used in the synagogues and Temple as it is today among Orthodox Jews and other related factions, who in the USA tend to mainly employ American English. Latin is sometimes the official liturgical language in some places of wroship, like when the Pope is known to speak Latin in public.

I see you didn't pay attention to my latest posts, emerging even more confused, so I plan to move on and let you do whatever without further comment, in effect shaking the dust off my feet. I never plan to confuse anyone.

Actually, I did pay attention which is why I wrote what I did.

Very well.

Quantrill

 

[BodyAndBlood]

For anyone desiring true facts:
Maybe you will understand a secular definition of Judaism from Wiki. "Judaism (originally from Hebrew יהודה ‬, Yehudah, "Judah"; via Latin and Greek) is the religion of the Jewish people. It is an ancient, monotheistic, Abrahamic religion with the Torah as its foundational text." That existed long before any Pharisees appeared. It was given by God through angels at Mt. Sinai. The degree to which anyone kept the religion or not didn't change it's holiness. Jesus kept the Torah perfectly. That meant He kept Judaism perfectly, but rejected Phariseeism.

Romans 7:7-12 (KJV)
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Nothing added by scribes (lawyers) in league with Pharisees (politicians) and some corrupt priests could change the Pentateuch. Not even wicked Chief Priests could change what was written. Anyone following them added corruption to holiness. We find some of those in the NT exhibited a right attitude toward Jesus and the apostles.

Amos came before Israel and Judah were taken into 70 years of captivity. Did you know God promised them He would return, and He would return to them back in their own lands? It took that captivity to purge them of their sins. Well, He did and they did what He promised Jeremiah et. al. Read the last three prophets of the OT to learn how God restored everything, and made no changes to the religion of the Jews through Jesus' time, not since. They lost their temple again, but it will be rebuilt, aand their restored nation will continue on to celebration once purged of sins in the Tribulation. That holy religion has remained so, best observed by Orthodox Jews considering the lack of a temple and sacrifies on it's altar. They will soon learn why God stopped that practice once the blood of Jesus was applied 2000 years ago.

It is playing into the hands of Satan to say anything of God is false. You are bordering blasphemy of the Spirit. You are better off remaining silent about things not understood. Eternal salvation doesn't come by way of Judaism, but that religion serves the tenets of God's exposure of sin as explained by the Apostle Paul in Romans 7 and other places in scriptures.

The Church worldwide has suffered much like the Jews due to sins and ignorance, weakness, and oppressions. Let's not be haughty about that.

If I may ask....where are you getting the prophecy of a third temple?

 

[Dovegiven]

If I may ask....where are you getting the prophecy of a third temple?

Daniel, 2 Thess 2, & Rev 11.

 

[Bendito]

Daniel, 2 Thess 2, & Rev 11.

There WILL be a third temple.....But God will never occupy it.

 

[Dovegiven]

There WILL be a third temple.....But God will never occupy it.

Antichrist will occupy and sit on the seat intended for Messiah, as though God himself, infuriating Jews. He will occupy the seat of God in the Heavenly Temple during the last 3.5 years of the tribulation, the pattern of which was originally given to Moses to build the tabernacle. Just the thought of Jews rebuilding on that holy site is enough to spark a holy war of wars with Muslims who would be driven mad over their two mosques on that site being violated. Too many factions of Jews make it very difficult for most to believe the temple that matters is in believers already, the temple of the Holy Spirit in living houses.

 

[Bendito]

Antichrist will occupy and sit on the seat intended for Messiah, as though God himself, infuriating Jews. He will occupy the seat of God in the Heavenly Temple during the last 3.5 years of the tribulation, the pattern of which was originally given to Moses to build the tabernacle. Just the thought of Jews rebuilding on that holy site is enough to spark a holy war of wars with Muslims who would be driven mad over their two mosques on that site being violated. Too many factions of Jews make it very difficult for most to believe the temple that matters is in believers already, the temple of the Holy Spirit in living houses.

Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrright you are Laddie!!