Demonic dreams?

[Maureen]

and satan is a defeated foe, Praise Jesus.

 

[WillemJ]

Where in the Bible does it say objects can bring demons in a home? Unfortunately a lot of newspapers and magazines have horoscopes inside and these could be in our homes unawares. But I don't apply my life to them so I don't see how that could invite a demon to my christian home.
Smurfs? Are we talking about the little blue creatures?

Greetings to you in Jesus name Mouse,

There are many subtle ways demons can come into our homes through objects. Before i would get rid of something (or was told to) i do research. To understand where an ornament/object d' art comes from and why it was created in the first place, says ALOT about itself already. I find in my research that alot of things come from pagan beliefs and rituals, and we use them willy nilly in our homes because they 'look good' or they're the latest fad/fashion.

Hosea 4:6 My people (that is US, God's children, His people) perish for lack of knowledge

Deuteronomy 7:26 Do not bring a detestable thing into your house, or you like it will be set apart for destruction. Utterly abhor and detest it, for it is set apart for destruction. and vs25

The information i come across, I ALWAYS compare to the Word of God, does it compliment the Word or go against it in any way?

All that glitters is not gold. All that seems pretty and innocent is not. I believe that each person must get their own understanding of these things. I also KNOW from my own experience that if one is not actively building a love relationship with God and people, then one should not bother because then it just becomes a spiritual legalistic futile exercise.

Proverbs 3:13 Blessed is th man who finds wisdom, the man who gains understanding. also Proverbs 4:5,7

Just for instance, i was told that a deck of playing cards were demonic, so i did research, i always try to get to 'where a thing began' or 'originated' from, what were its roots?? I now perfectly agree that a deck of cards has demonic values and can hinder my walk with God in many ways. If you wld like to know more, pls google, the net is full of info from many different sources who do not know each other.

Joshua 24:21-24 / 2 Corinthians 6:15,17 / 2 Corinthians 11:14 / Leviticus 19:28 / Isaiah 41:7 / Isaiah 44:9 / Hosea 13:2 / Isaiah 30:22 / Isaiah 31:7 / Exodus 20:4 / Revelations 9:20

As for the horoscopes being in your house unawares....make yourself aware and take the whole lot of those magazines in a heap go thru them tare the pages out or recycle or remove them altogether from your home. It is not a matter of you inviting demons into your christian home, satan is a master schemer manipulator and by them just being there you are in agreement with that thing. And horoscopes fall under fortune telling which fall under a BIG no no from our Lord.

Smurfs..yes the little 'cute' blue ones, they practice magic and they shape shift. God in His Words to us, tells us to stay away from magic, that means watching it being performed in the form of a cute kiddies cartoon as well. what is the diffs if you watch it live or watch thru t.v.? don't condone magic in any form shape or size.

This is a very vast topic to cover and i do not want to deter from the subject of 'demonic dreams', so with that said i say cheers and God bless you on your journey.

This reply was done by BEAM. (ooops sorry i logged in under my husbands name, LOL)

p.s. would you agree that disobedience to God is also sin. God commands us many times in His word not to bring these things into our home, and sometimes that object/picture itself may not be cause to bring harassment to you directly but the fact is we disobey by bringing it into our home and that is directly disobeying God, which is sin. Not all curses come from satan, there are many curses from God Himself that one can also incur!

 

[beam]

However I concur with Mouse in that, mere objects are not "channelers".
There seems to be a lot of superstition in the post from Beam although i love ya in the LORD and thank you for your advise.

Hi there mrgreenjeans,

Definition of 'superstitious' - showing ignorance of the laws of nature and faith in magic or chance

I only have faith in God's word and the bible is my basis of what i allow in my house and on my being.

I hope that the previous post i wrote in answer to Mouse, cancels out in your mind that i am coming from a superstitious angle. breaking a mirror and then having fear for seven years that things are gonna go wrong is SO contrary to the faith proclamations of God's word that i speak out often as i can! LOL

thank you for loving me in the Lord, much appreciated, love you too.

It may be easy to be misled in this post as it may seem that i concentrate too much on satanic/demonic issues. that is not the case. This is merely a sharing of only some of the information gathered over time and the FOCUS was on that topic. :magnify:

May God reveal Himself to you and make your joy totally explode!
love in Christ
beam

 

[beam]

The reply from WillemJ is actually from beam.

 

[Maureen]

My husband buys a Sunday newpaper every week, I'm sure it would have horoscopes in it, I never look at it, but if I were to start tearing that page out, if there is one, he for sure would think I'd gone daft, he's not saved yet you see.

Surely if we as Christians are not taking any involvement in these things, and it's another person whom you happen to be married to is the buyer, it won't be held against us.

Same as he does the lottery every week, I detest it but I have no part in it, but I cant forbid him not to.

We are each responsible for our own actions not for others.

 

[Coconut]

There are many subtle ways demons can come into our homes through objects.

-i realised that i had objects and ornaments in my home that are contact points for demons...i.e. children's toys of spiderman, demonic ugly looking plastic toy figurines, comics with demon looking characters, smurfs, pokemon cards or anything similar, gnomes (usually in ones garden), any egyptian arts or crafts, the phoenix, egyptian heads, wizards, wiches, fairies, when i buy a magazine i usually tare out the horoscope page and chuck it, i do not keep any images or pictures of the horoscorpes in our home. There are many things one can look out for, i am sure u could ask chad to help you get a list of these things or google for them.

Sister, this is simply not scriptural, it is, as said, superstition. As such, I have to ask you to refrain from promoting such superstition on this forum.

Deuteronomy 7:26 Do not bring a detestable thing into your house, or you like it will be set apart for destruction. Utterly abhor and detest it, for it is set apart for destruction. and vs25

The Deut 7:26 reference is (contextually) talking specifically concerning idols. (Deu 7:25 For God hates idolatry)

 

[jbpichu]

We do need to be discerning, though. A brother (rocky) told us of how this guy he knew kept suffering back pain and his wife collected Native American artifacts. Well, Rocky tried to go into their house but felt the presence of evil. The woman found out from him that a lot of the stuff she had was used in rituals. She didn't know, but once she did they threw out the stuff and her husband's back got better.

Needless to say, we need to have discernment in what we get.

 

[jiggyfly]

Greetings to you in Jesus name Mouse,

There are many subtle ways demons can come into our homes through objects. Before i would get rid of something (or was told to) i do research. To understand where an ornament/object d' art comes from and why it was created in the first place, says ALOT about itself already. I find in my research that alot of things come from pagan beliefs and rituals, and we use them willy nilly in our homes because they 'look good' or they're the latest fad/fashion.

Hosea 4:6 My people (that is US, God's children, His people) perish for lack of knowledge

Deuteronomy 7:26 Do not bring a detestable thing into your house, or you like it will be set apart for destruction. Utterly abhor and detest it, for it is set apart for destruction. and vs25

The information i come across, I ALWAYS compare to the Word of God, does it compliment the Word or go against it in any way?

All that glitters is not gold. All that seems pretty and innocent is not. I believe that each person must get their own understanding of these things. I also KNOW from my own experience that if one is not actively building a love relationship with God and people, then one should not bother because then it just becomes a spiritual legalistic futile exercise.

Proverbs 3:13 Blessed is th man who finds wisdom, the man who gains understanding. also Proverbs 4:5,7

Just for instance, i was told that a deck of playing cards were demonic, so i did research, i always try to get to 'where a thing began' or 'originated' from, what were its roots?? I now perfectly agree that a deck of cards has demonic values and can hinder my walk with God in many ways. If you wld like to know more, pls google, the net is full of info from many different sources who do not know each other.

Joshua 24:21-24 / 2 Corinthians 6:15,17 / 2 Corinthians 11:14 / Leviticus 19:28 / Isaiah 41:7 / Isaiah 44:9 / Hosea 13:2 / Isaiah 30:22 / Isaiah 31:7 / Exodus 20:4 / Revelations 9:20

As for the horoscopes being in your house unawares....make yourself aware and take the whole lot of those magazines in a heap go thru them tare the pages out or recycle or remove them altogether from your home. It is not a matter of you inviting demons into your christian home, satan is a master schemer manipulator and by them just being there you are in agreement with that thing. And horoscopes fall under fortune telling which fall under a BIG no no from our Lord.

Smurfs..yes the little 'cute' blue ones, they practice magic and they shape shift. God in His Words to us, tells us to stay away from magic, that means watching it being performed in the form of a cute kiddies cartoon as well. what is the diffs if you watch it live or watch thru t.v.? don't condone magic in any form shape or size.

This is a very vast topic to cover and i do not want to deter from the subject of 'demonic dreams', so with that said i say cheers and God bless you on your journey.

This reply was done by BEAM. (ooops sorry i logged in under my husbands name, LOL)

p.s. would you agree that disobedience to God is also sin. God commands us many times in His word not to bring these things into our home, and sometimes that object/picture itself may not be cause to bring harassment to you directly but the fact is we disobey by bringing it into our home and that is directly disobeying God, which is sin. Not all curses come from satan, there are many curses from God Himself that one can also incur!

You forgot to mention christmas trees, the theater and rock and roll.

 

[carlos marquez]

1 John 5:18.We know[absolutely]that anyone born of God does not[deliberately-
and knowingly]practice comitting sin,but the One Who was begotten of God
carefully watches over and protects him[Christ's devine presence within him
preserves him against the evil],and the whicked one does not lay hold
(get a grip)on him or touch[him].

Stop reading all those "stories of familiar spirits"
dive into your bible Jesus will give you comfort .


Isaiah 44:25.[I am the Lord]Who frustrates the signs and confounds the
omens[upon which the false prophets' forcasts of the future are based]
of the[boasting]liars and makes fools of diviners,Who turns the wise
backward and makes their kwoledge foolishness.

 

[beam]

Greetings to you all,

Sister, this is simply not scriptural, it is, as said, superstition. As such, I have to ask you to refrain from promoting such superstition on this forum.

The Deut 7:26 reference is (contextually) talking specifically concerning idols. (Deu 7:25 For God hates idolatry)

I agree with you fully that the context is about idolatry, and Father God may not count that sin against us due to our lack of knowledge, but even if done in ignorance this does not nullify the hazardous affects.

If someone were ignorant about 'buddah' and brought the idol (and that is an idol, it is a false 'god') into their home, what then? Father God would want it out of your home, even though you are not worshipping and bowing down to that idolatrous statue!

The Word says...'don't even bring it into your home, it is a destestable thing to the Lord'.. surely that means just that.

I do apoligise for offending anyone, i mean this sincerely from my heart, please forgive me.

My intentions are never to promote anything contrary to the Word of God, rather to the glory of God and assist (where i can) in setting the captives free.

If there only ever be one person out there who identifies with my experiences i share, and they are helped and set free in these areas,
then to God be the glory.

Respectfully yours in Christ :butler:
beam

 

[beam]

Dear brother Carlos,

Thank you for the scriptures, always appreciated, God is great.

Stop reading all those "stories of familiar spirits"
dive into your bible Jesus will give you comfort .

I am unable to follow your advice because if i stopped reading all those "stories of familiar spirits" then i would have to stop reading my Bible.

This is an excerpt from "Jesus Works Ministries" that I fully concur with,
God bless you brother in every area of your life.

Regards
beam

"Believers are to be aware of Satan and his schemes so that we may stand against them. However, we must be cautious that we not give Satan undue attention by excessive study of him or his schemes (2 Cor. 2:11). This can lead to a fascination, fearfulness, overestimation of his power or even a form of Satanic worship. We acknowledge his existence, study, think and speak of him but only as pastorally necessary, and always to renounce and resist rather than respect him. Believers' focus should be on Christ's power and provision to resist evil forces, giving all glory to God alone."

 

[Coconut]

1 John 5:18.We know[absolutely]that anyone born of God does not[deliberately- and knowingly]practice comitting sin,but the One Who was begotten of God
carefully watches over and protects him[Christ's divine presence within him preserves him against the evil],and the wicked one does not lay hold
(get a grip)on him or touch[him].

Stop reading all those "stories of familiar spirits"
dive into your bible Jesus will give you comfort .


Isaiah 44:25.[I am the Lord]Who frustrates the signs and confounds the
omens[upon which the false prophets' forecasts of the future are based]
of the[boasting]liars and makes fools of diviners,Who turns the wise
backward and makes their knowledge foolishness.

Wooaaa...GLOLY! Now that blessed my socks off!

 

[carlos marquez]

Dear Beam.let us provoke oneanother unto good works,
instead of all this" demonology" we should focus and
ponder upon how beautiful our Savior is..


Think on these things
Philippians 4:8-9

 

[beam]

Hi there brother Carlos,

Thank you for your concern, please know this about me.... I am open to correction. So far all i have received from my replies is 1) a warning from sister coconut 2) sarcasm from jiggfly 3) a poke from you.

I truly believe the things I have written in response to this topic. If however I have been taught wrong over the years and am believing erroneously, then would someone kindly start a new thread, find out what I believe and why I believe as I do, and teach me the truth about this subject.

The Talk Jesus site is not only for newbies seeking salvation but surely also about the saved growing and learning here too. As i have been prowling the threads i see many many examples of christians who had strong beliefs in what they were saying only to change them later as the topic and God's word were discussed in depth.

Please also keep in mind the title of this thread. Another thing is that the focus has now shifted off the whole point. The point being that servantofYWHW was having 'demonic dreams' so was Mouse and mrgreenjeans, please help them with some advice.

kind regards
beam

 

[jiggyfly]

Hi there brother Carlos,

Thank you for your concern, please know this about me.... I am open to correction. So far all i have received from my replies is 1) a warning from sister coconut 2) sarcasm from jiggfly 3) a poke from you.

I truly believe the things I have written in response to this topic. If however I have been taught wrong over the years and am believing erroneously, then would someone kindly start a new thread, find out what I believe and why I believe as I do, and teach me the truth about this subject.

The Talk Jesus site is not only for newbies seeking salvation but surely also about the saved growing and learning here too. As i have been prowling the threads i see many many examples of christians who had strong beliefs in what they were saying only to change them later as the topic and God's word were discussed in depth.

Please also keep in mind the title of this thread. Another thing is that the focus has now shifted off the whole point. The point being that servantofYWHW was having 'demonic dreams' so was Mouse and mrgreenjeans, please help them with some advice.

kind regards
beam

Beam,I believe that advice was given in the beginning of the thread. I don't see the thread is off topic, but your advice was questioned as to it's scriptural soundness. Right now I am pressed for time but I will post here later with more on this subject. God bless

 

[sister]

Demonic Dreams

Yes I also have demonic dreams and know many other strong christians who have them!I am going to try that putting the bible under my pillow!!Sometimes when I break bread it helps before bed!!Who knows why we get them but they do not scare me or intimadate me!I know my god protects me day and nt!!PTL!!Love,sister!!

 

[Enow]

Ephesians 6: 11Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

14Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: 18Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

Sometimes it is best to remember the promises of God when supernatural events are occurring.

1 John 4: 4Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Hebrews 4:12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

I had always wondered why He had said that in that way when I was younger, but it was later that I understood by His grace. He wasn't implying that we can overcome it as He did, but that He would overcome it for us as only God can do His work in us.

John 6: 28Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Philippians 4:13I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

Now for those that are worrying because of the oppressivness of these demonic dreams or even supernatural events which is not of the Lord; the answer is the same, go to Jesus in prayer. Once you have been delivered, ask for discernment in preventing it from happening again, and trust Him to help you find it, get rid of it, or to avoid places that seems to stir it about as you leave from there.

I know what I am talking about as to being pinned by an unseen oppressive spirit upon my bed as I prayed to Jesus for help so I could move. This was after visiting a healing revival in someone else's name crusade. Even though I was a believer, he called for the Holy Spirit to come on me for this healing to occur. All I got was a tickling or feeling vibrations in my left deaf ear. The day after school, I was unusually tired and so took a nap.. and when I woke up, there was an electrical humming in the air as I found I could not move at all. Immediately when I started praying to Jesus, I was able to start moving... flexing the right wrist, then the left, lifting the right forearm off of the bed, and then the left, and then finally able to move my right shoulder off of the bed and was able to even make a sound finally by groaning. Jesus warned not to go there when they say He is in the upper room. The Holy Spirit is in us and to go places where they call for the Holy Spirit to come is allowing believers to be subjected to signs and wonders that edify not nor does it glorify Jesus at all but the coming and going of that spirit. It allows a thief to break through for not watching nor heeding His warning for the faith in Jesus Christ is that He is in us and need not be called for as other worlds call for other spirits. This is what Jesus meant in not having suffering our houses to be broken through by a thief.

Luke 12:39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.

I even had awaken at another time of hearing church bells playing the theme from M.A.S.H. at around 3:15 a.m. I thought it was odd and wondered if that local nearby church was going to get in trouble. I got up to akaken my folks but they heard it not. It was not as loud in their room as it was in mine, but I still heard it, and I was hard of hearing, deaf in left ear with tinitus in right ear (constant ringing in the ear) I went back to bed, still hearing it and confirmed that it was louder in my room. I stuck my finger in my good ear, and did not hear it. Several times during the night, I was compelled to test what I was hearing as it was outside of me. Then I stuck my finger in my ear and began hearing it in my head. Then I started praying to Jesus. Sometime later I had fallen asleep from praying and it was gone in the morning: the irony of the event was the morning news was announcing the originial title to the Theme from M.A.S.H. which was "Suicide Is Painless". It seemed like I should have had the theme from Twilight Zone playing just then, but of coiurse, that did not happen. I thanked the Lord that it did not replyed the theme from M.A.S.H., although years later, I had heard other "songs", but again, I go straight to Jesus.

I am referring to what is not dreams so that those that are afflicted may know that the same answer applies. I had a dream where... well.. it was not a good dream... it involved being beneathe the water, a huge bug biting off the head of a girl in the water so.. no need to say anymore, right? Anyway.. when I awoke, something was nestling around my head and it left with such a hurry that it jerked my head off of the pillow towards the direction it went before I could even open my eyes.

So yes, I do have oddball dreams and things upon awakening, there are manifestations happening when I am half asleep. Now mind you, the Lord has been warning me of television in what I am taking in through my eye. If everyone is honest about this, the eye of the media is towards the pride of life, and then to the more obvious, lust of the eye and the lust of the flesh. We may be on top of our game when it comes to avoiding the latter two, but the pride of life is always displayed on television. Do we really need a reminder that God looks upon the poor and what is on the inside that is more important?

Another thing is music, as I will attest to its use by supernatural forces in my life. I read that a missionary to Haiti brought his family with him. As they were settling up their lodgings in the village, his son was playing christian rock. The villagers were wide eyed with concern and knocked at the missionary's home as these former voodooists testified that the music is the same they use to summon the spirits.

Are we really on top of our game here in living the christian life? One look at my life and one would say no. But rest assured the promises of God is that no matter what, we can place our trust in the Lord and call on Him for help as well as discernment on what is not edifying and seeking to place us under its power. We do need to trust the Lord to help us discern more, and have us be ready when He comes for us. His Word can reprove anything that has crept into christianity that would take our eyes off of Him.. even if it is towards the Holy Spirit because the indwelling Holy Spirit seeks to lead us to testify and to glorify Jesus Christ and thereby the Father; but not Himself. So if the Holy Spirit is poimting our eyes to be on Jesus Christ, be leery about those that point to the "Spirit".

We could share nightmares and things that are supernatural when we are awake, but the bottomline is, Jesus is the answer. You do not need to speak in tongues for Him to hear you. You do not need to call forth the Spirit to combat it when He is in you as promised for coming to and believing in Jesus. Do not let anyone divert your gaze from Our Good Shepherd for it is His name that the demons recoil in fear from. He will deal with them. Rest in Him and apply faith that He will do it as well as lead you away from that which edifies not in the knowledge of Him. Trust Him in keeping you from the things that could lead you away from Him. The scriptures are your guide as well.

John 5:39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

I thank the Lord for restoring me to the path of righteousness for His name's sake as I trust Him to prevent me from falling and presnt me faultless as all my hopes are on Him. Amen. Jude 1:24-25 & 1 John 3:3

 

[PraiseElohim]

We do need to be discerning, though. A brother (rocky) told us of how this guy he knew kept suffering back pain and his wife collected Native American artifacts. Well, Rocky tried to go into their house but felt the presence of evil. The woman found out from him that a lot of the stuff she had was used in rituals. She didn't know, but once she did they threw out the stuff and her husband's back got better.

Needless to say, we need to have discernment in what we get.

People are very busy labelling Beam as superstitious, but not one of you has made comment on the above. Isn't this an eye witness account of the ability of an inanimate object to carry with it an attachment in the realm of the spirit? Wake up guys! The Ark of the Covenant was an inanimate object, yet it carried the pure essence of the Glory of God's Spirit! One touch and bam - you're toast! Check your New Testament, Bereans. Didn't a mere piece of cloth that had touched the person of the apostle Peter, when placed upon the sick, bring the healing power of Holy Spirit to that person?

Acts 19:11-12 "God did extraordinary miracles through Paul, so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them."

How many Christians have been blessed by a healing or prayer cloth – a shawl or cloth anointed and prayed over by other saints so that it be anointed with the healing power of God? Are they all superstitious? So if an object can carry with it the Spirit of God, why could it not carry an evil spirit? It's not superstition, it's spiritual fact.

And as for believing in the reality of curses being a superstition, what do you think witch's do? How do you think witchdoctor's cause Christians to suffer all sorts of malady? Read up on the testimonies of a few prominent ministers on the African continent, or Haiti - are they all superstitious too? The witches know the principals of the spiritual realm and they access it illegally, and then use it to great effect against Christians who ignore the possibility and write it off as superstitious nonsense.

The principal of matter carrying energy is also scientific. It’s a subject of quantum physics that matter has memory. It’s also in the Bible.

Joshua 24:26-17 “Then Joshua wrote these words in the Book of the Law of God. And he took a large stone, and set it up there under the oak that was by the sanctuary of the LORD. And Joshua said to all the people, ‘Behold, this stone shall be a witness to us, for it has heard all the words of the LORD which He spoke to us. It shall therefore be a witness to you, lest you deny your God.’”

Joshua understood the principle that even the rocks would record and carry with them the memory of what happened around them. Just imagine, every word ever to leave your mouth, recorded in the stones around you, crying out as a witness unless it’s cleansed and wiped clean by the Blood of the Lamb through heartfelt repentance.

I, myself, have had personal experience with the principal that some objects carry evil intent, with evil spirits manifesting in a house and harassing the occupants until the objects were cleansed – done by anointing with oil in the name of Jesus and pleading the cleansing blood of Jesus.

Yes, there is a real danger of falling into religious fear and cleaning out anything and everything felt to be slightly suspect. But I challenge any of you who doubt to honestly walk around your homes and ask Holy Spirit to highlight anything that might be causing problems. Things are just things, but some of them do have demonic assignments attached to them. Many things do not have to be thrown out, but you’re not going to hurt yourself or your faith in God by blessing all your stuff in the name of Jesus. I would definitely get rid of anything glorifying witchcraft, any idols to false gods, or any items used in religious rites contrary to our faith in Jesus. Why would you want to have them in the house anyway? And some of those toys are just plain scarey.

My son was having intense, demonically inspired night terrors often involving a particular group of his toys. I didn’t see the sense in removing the toys, knowing that the toys themselves are just plastic, but Holy Spirit lead us to cleanse the toys and cancel any assignments attached to them. Problem solved. Not to mention the fact that afterward my son lost his fixation on the toys. He was obsessed with them, and had in fact come to ‘idolize’ them. Idolatry is rebellion against God, and gives an entrance to demonic influence.

Am I, or Beam, fixated on the demonic by talking about their tactics? Is it at all rational to ignore the wiles of the enemy, and not make ourselves aware of their schemes? How would any one of you feel if you were to ask the General of your country’s armed forces “What are the enemies tactics?” and he was to reply with a shrug and a sweet smile “Oh, we don’t talk about that, we don’t need to know what the enemy’s doing and where he is and what type of weapons he has.” Would you think he was all that good a general? Apostle Paul tells us not to be ignorant of the devil’s tools.

2 Cor 2:11 “lest Satan should take advantage of us; for we are not ignorant of his devices.”

I think too many in the Body are ignorant and willingly choose to remain so, so as not to offend their theology.

I don’t advocate an unhealthy focus on the demonic, because we give power to the thing we focus on. Jesus gets all the glory, and all our help is in Him and from Him. We keep our focus on Jesus and remember that the “joy of the LORD is our strength.” (Neh 8:10) But we cannot be blind to the tactics of the enemy that keep the Body bound in intolerable ways because she is too civilized to accept the ‘superstitions’ of the spiritual realm. Ask a converted witchdoctor if he believes that evil spirits form attachments through objects, and somehow I don’t think you’d find him nearly so disbelieving of the idea.

I say ‘good for you Beam’, for speaking up on a subject you’re obviously being taught on by Holy Spirit. We’re all invited to have a living relationship with Him and be taught of Him, and must be wary of idolizing the Bible above the revealed knowledge of Holy Spirit as He speaks to our hearts. We check every thought against the Word and with the Spirit of God dwelling within us. But I for one, aim never to poke my Bible and say to a brother or sister in the LORD, you’re wrong because I don’t see the proof for your words in here. May the LORD chastise me severely should my self-confidence ever rise so high. Glory to God, I plan to enjoy spending all eternity searching out the mysteries hidden in His Word and wouldn’t even dare think that I’d found them all already, or that I fully understand everything written in the volume of the Book.

In the meantime, Beam, I’m going to stand out here on the limb of superstition with you, at least I’ll have a better view to see the enemy coming up from behind. Glory to God! Life is fun!

 

[PraiseElohim]

I know what I am talking about as to being pinned by an unseen oppressive spirit upon my bed as I prayed to Jesus for help so I could move. This was after visiting a healing revival in someone else's name crusade. Even though I was a believer, he called for the Holy Spirit to come on me for this healing to occur. All I got was a tickling or feeling vibrations in my left deaf ear. The day after school, I was unusually tired and so took a nap.. and when I woke up, there was an electrical humming in the air as I found I could not move at all. Immediately when I started praying to Jesus, I was able to start moving... flexing the right wrist, then the left, lifting the right forearm off of the bed, and then the left, and then finally able to move my right shoulder off of the bed and was able to even make a sound finally by groaning. Jesus warned not to go there when they say He is in the upper room. The Holy Spirit is in us and to go places where they call for the Holy Spirit to come is allowing believers to be subjected to signs and wonders that edify not nor does it glorify Jesus at all but the coming and going of that spirit. It allows a thief to break through for not watching nor heeding His warning for the faith in Jesus Christ is that He is in us and need not be called for as other worlds call for other spirits. This is what Jesus meant in not having suffering our houses to be broken through by a thief.

Enow, I don't think it was the 'unnamed' minister's praying that imparted the evil spirit to you. That thing was there before he prayed, it just got found out and stirred up by the prayer and the Presence of God working on you. I've experienced the same thing, the pinning down and paralysed thing, more than once, and no-one prayed it on me or opened me to it, it came with the house and the curse that was attached to the land through past sin. And it got active when I started pressing in to my relationship with the LORD. They don't like Holy God activity, and don't like letting go. So try not to go shooting the messenger when the evil spirit probably messing with your ear doesn't like the message. Because Jesus loves you and wants you free from the works of the devil, he sends praying ministers.

 

[beam]

Hi there sister PraiseElohim,

:umbrellafly:

Thanks for your input, was feeling kinda lonely on the end of that limb! LOL :smiling-animated:

My current hearts cry is for unity among the body in Jesus name.

Best regards
beam