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Do you keep the Saturday Sabbath?

Do you keep the sabbath commandment?

  • Yes. Friday sunset to Saturday sunset

    Votes: 6 22.2%
  • Yes, but on Sunday, because, dchena, scripture actually does support that.

    Votes: 3 11.1%
  • No. Because scripture has given us permission not to in any form.

    Votes: 11 40.7%
  • Haven't really thought about it.

    Votes: 7 25.9%

  • Total voters
    27

dchena

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I know it is offensive to some to even mention keeping the Sabbath commandment on Saturday, but we're all big kids, right? I'm curious.... do you keep the Sabbath commandment?
(The only day to keep it is Saturday. If you observe it on a different day, it's not the sabbath)
 
One of the biggest problems I see with the "Sabbath" debate is, if the Israelite`s [Jews] could barely keep the Sabbath day Holy without stumbling, there is very little hope for the Gentile.[I am a Gentile]
Have you ever read the Torah, and what God required of a Jew and his entire household to keep the Sabbath Holy? [including those who visit the Jews home on this day]

For those who dont know, this website offers a condensed list of categories of forbidden acts on the Jewish Shabbat:

Shabbat / Torah 101 / Mechon Mamre


The good news is, God set another day for our rest, and He called this day "Today". The Sabbath rest for the people of God is found only in Christ.

Good News Bible

Mat 11:28 "Come to me, all of you who are tired from carrying heavy loads, and I will give you rest

Mat 12:21 "And on Him all peoples will put their hope."

Heb 4:1 Now, God has offered us the promise that we may receive that rest he spoke about. Let us take care, then, that none of you will be found to have failed to receive that promised rest.
Heb 4:2 For we have heard the Good News, just as they did. They heard the message, but it did them no good, because when they heard it, they did not accept it with faith.
Heb 4:3 We who believe, then, do receive that rest which God promised. It is just as he said, "I was angry and made a solemn promise: 'They will never enter the land where I would have given them rest!' " He said this even though his work had been finished from the time he created the world.
Heb 4:4 For somewhere in the Scriptures this is said about the seventh day: "God rested on the seventh day from all his work."
Heb 4:5 This same matter is spoken of again: "They will never enter that land where I would have given them rest."
Heb 4:6 Those who first heard the Good News did not receive that rest, because they did not believe. There are, then, others who are allowed to receive it.
Heb 4:7 This is shown by the fact that God sets another day, which is called "Today." Many years later he spoke of it through David in the scripture already quoted: "If you hear God's voice today, do not be stubborn."
Heb 4:8 If Joshua had given the people the rest that God had promised, God would not have spoken later about another day.
Heb 4:9 As it is, however, there still remains for God's people a rest like God's resting on the seventh day.
Heb 4:10 For those who receive that rest which God promised will rest from their own work, just as God rested from his.
Heb 4:11 Let us, then, do our best to receive that rest, so that no one of us will fail as they did because of their lack of faith.

Col 2:6 Since you have accepted Christ Jesus as Lord, live in union with him.
Col 2:7 Keep your roots deep in him, build your lives on him, and become stronger in your faith, as you were taught. And be filled with thanksgiving.
Col 2:8 See to it, then, that no one enslaves you by means of the worthless deceit of human wisdom, which comes from the teachings handed down by human beings and from the ruling spirits of the universe, and not from Christ.
Col 2:9 For the full content of divine nature lives in Christ, in his humanity,
Col 2:10 and you have been given full life in union with him. He is supreme over every spiritual ruler and authority.
Col 2:11 In union with Christ you were circumcised, not with the circumcision that is made by human beings, but with the circumcision made by Christ, which consists of being freed from the power of this sinful self.
Col 2:12 For when you were baptized, you were buried with Christ, and in baptism you were also raised with Christ through your faith in the active power of God, who raised him from death.
Col 2:13 You were at one time spiritually dead because of your sins and because you were Gentiles without the Law. But God has now brought you to life with Christ. God forgave us all our sins;
Col 2:14 he canceled the unfavorable record of our debts with its binding rules and did away with it completely by nailing it to the cross.
Col 2:15 And on that cross Christ freed himself from the power of the spiritual rulers and authorities; he made a public spectacle of them by leading them as captives in his victory procession.
Col 2:16 So let no one make rules about what you eat or drink or about holy days or the New Moon Festival or the Sabbath.
Col 2:17 All such things are only a shadow of things in the future; the reality is Christ.
 
I know it is offensive to some to even mention keeping the Sabbath commandment on Saturday, but we're all big kids, right? I'm curious.... do you keep the Sabbath commandment?
(The only day to keep it is Saturday. If you observe it on a different day, it's not the sabbath)


For those who follow Jesus every day is the same. By that I mean that we worsip Jesus every day of the week........We do not need a 'sabbath' a special day.........in that sense.

The rain is over, the winter is gone, the time for the singing of the birds has come.........Its summer time down in my heart. Pastures are green, the sky is blue, everything in the Spirit is New.....Its summer time down in my heart.

Its summer time.....my heart is really free...Its summer time for Jesus lives in me....its summer time O glorious liberty...Its summer time down in my heart....Songs 2: 11,12

"the letter killeth.......the Spirit giveth life" "Cor 3: 6
 
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I know it is offensive to some to even mention keeping the Sabbath commandment on Saturday, but we're all big kids, right? I'm curious.... do you keep the Sabbath commandment?
(The only day to keep it is Saturday. If you observe it on a different day, it's not the sabbath)


Yes dchena, I keep the Jewish sabbath, but I would not required others to. Paul and Luke wrote of the early believers meeting on the first day of the week in Acts 20:7; I Corinthians 16:2. You have three different answer given to you on the issue and I agree with everyone one of those answer.
Romans 14:6 speaks of one honoring a day while another doesn't. To be honest with you by keeping the Sabbath I show weak faith, not strong faith.
 
This I know, because it is a conscious choice I make: Continually, I pray for the Lord's guidance; Continually, I pray for discernment; Continually, I pray for wisdom; Continually, I pray for humility. Not a voluntary humility like the Pharisees, but an involuntary humility. Humility that I can not choose, and that can only be gained through the blessing of teaching from the Source of wisdom Himself. It is really a hard quality to acquire. Ever deepening realizations of fault and reliance on self-made/man-made theories plague me, and I'm continually faced with the choice to sacrifice my mental securities, or not.

I have learned that if I read the Bible with the intent to placate my creature comforts, I will be able to do so. Likewise, if I read the Bible with the intent of knowing God, who He is, and to be blessed with wisdom and understanding beyond my abilities, it will come to me. But the latter comes with sacrificing my own theories and ideas. It involves grieving, the expression of remorse and the deepest gratitude I could never imagine, and the realization that there is nothing I can possibly do that is enough to repay the love and tenderness, the mercy and acceptance that I have been given and received.

I was saved. I am continually saved. I am nurtured. I am blessed. I am known. I am loved with a love beyond comprehension. And I can't help but offer myself in every way and in anyway I can think of - easier said than done. Sometimes the smallest change is the biggest.

Does it not say: Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him (John 14:21)?

Does it not say: If you love me, keep my commandments (John 14:15)?

Does it not say: Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Does it not say: I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished (Mathew 5:18)?

When I read the Bible, and remember the grace I have been given, and remember the pain and suffering I have been saved from, I seek to understand God and how I can honor the gift I am continually given. I always come round to obedience. I am not good enough, smart enough, wise enought, pure enough to know how to honor God, so I look to the Word. I listen to God's heart, not my own, and He spells it out for us: We have the 10 Commandments, the moral law, and we have the faith of Jesus. There is no contradiction between the two. Faith does not cancel the law. And #4 is the commandment to remember the sabbath. I don't understand why people fight it, as if they read the Bible in order to find out what they DON't have to do, instead of to find out what they CAN do. Keeping the sabbath is not a sign of weakness. It is a sign of obedience, and obedience is linked to belief throughout the Bible. Even in Hebrews, which Coconut left out:

Hebrews 4:1-2
For we also have had the gospel preached to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because those who heard did not combine it with faith...

..together with Hebews 4:11
Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience.

You have to know the OT.

I'm not saying I am well versed in scripture, and I know that way too many of you are going to jump on that statement, but we're all learning, me included, but obedience is linked with faith throughout the Bible and the quotes that are often given to support abolishing the law and/or the sabbath commandment don't hold up under more careful scrutiny and within the cohesiveness of the Bible, including the reliable nature of God.

Given the amount of times that keeping the sabbath commandment is mentioned in the Bible, the fact that Jesus honored it, and the disciples, and that God continually expresses woe at those who do not keep it, and that it is even a part of creation itself, don't you think that God would have told us it was changed leaving no possibility of confusion for us? I'm sorry, but the quotes that are typically given to accommodate a Sunday worship, or an every-day worship just don't hold up with a bit of study and logic. What do most of us do when we read scripture that seems to contradict itself? Most of us hold it in our minds that it is us who at the current time do not fully understand the scripture, because there are no contradictions, right? Remembering the sabbath is one of the 10 commandments, written in stone by the hand of God! If He were to change it, don't you think it would require something as equally powerful as that? Don't you think that God would have announced, in a clear a way as writing on stone if the 10 commandments were to be changed?

For me the issue isn't about being saved anymore. I'm saved. You're saved. The issue is: how can I possibly honor Him who saved me? I'm desperate to show my love for Him. How I can do that is spelled out for me - the 10 Commandments and the faith of Jesus. Both. And from there, all things are possible, and I am made new, and I am given more riches than gold can measure. I do understand how the typically given quotes for the revision of the sabbath commandment CAN be interpreted to absolve us from the sabbath commandmenst. What I don't understand, is why that sits so well with everyone.

2Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

I don't think Timothy had the New Testament like we do. He was talking about the Old Testament. Even if he did, it still sayys ALL scripture, that includes the OT.

Revelations 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. --both, not some of the commandments and faith

Psalms 19:7-14
The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul:
the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart:
the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever:
the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.

More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.

Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.

Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins;
let them not have dominion over me:
then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.
Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.

God bless,
dchena

**A note**
The Good News interpretation of Hebews leaves me with some suspicion. There has been controversy about the Good News translation with the accusation that the interpreter's own ideas have been worked into the translation. That it is more of a paraphrasing than a direct translation. It is punctuated in a way that actually give an opposite meaning than other Bibles. And it gives the same meaning (or non-meaning) to the Sabbath as the Catholic Bible. I know many of you here are firmaly against the teachings of Catholocism. It was the the Catholic church who took athority upon themselves to change the Word of God and change the sabbath to Sunday. And this didn't happen until a very long time(sorry, I can't remember the details) after the death and resurrection of our Saviour. In fact, they proclaim the change. They claim that the Pope has the authority from God to change the Word. And they openly state that the fact that so many Prodestants follow the switch is in and of itself proof that they have this authority. It's not a secret. Anyone who looks can find it. So I am a bit suspicious of that translation.
 
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God did provide the answer, and its simple really:

Gal 5:18 If the Spirit leads you, then you are not subject to the Law.
 
This I know, because it is a conscious choice I make: Continually, I pray for the Lord's guidance; Continually, I pray for discernment; Continually, I pray for wisdom; Continually, I pray for humility. Not a voluntary humility like the Pharisees, but an involuntary humility. Humility that I can not choose, and that can only be gained through the blessing of teaching from the Source of wisdom Himself. It is really a hard quality to acquire. Ever deepening realizations of fault and reliance on self-made/man-made theories plague me, and I'm continually faced with the choice to sacrifice my mental securities, or not.

I have learned that if I read the Bible with the intent to placate my creature comforts, I will be able to do so. Likewise, if I read the Bible with the intent of knowing God, who He is, and to be blessed with wisdom and understanding beyond my abilities, it will come to me. But the latter comes with sacrificing my own theories and ideas. It involves grieving, the expression of remorse and the deepest gratitude I could never imagine, and the realization that there is nothing I can possibly do that is enough to repay the love and tenderness, the mercy and acceptance that I have been given and received.

I was saved. I am continually saved. I am nurtured. I am blessed. I am known. I am loved with a love beyond comprehension. And I can't help but offer myself in every way and in anyway I can think of - easier said than done. Sometimes the smallest change is the biggest.

Does it not say: Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him (John 14:21)?

Does it not say: If you love me, keep my commandments (John 14:15)?

Does it not say: Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Does it not say: I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished (Mathew 5:18)?

When I read the Bible, and remember the grace I have been given, and remember the pain and suffering I have been saved from, I seek to understand God and how I can honor the gift I am continually given. I always come round to obedience. I am not good enough, smart enough, wise enought, pure enough to know how to honor God, so I look to the Word. I listen to God's heart, not my own, and He spells it out for us: We have the 10 Commandments, the moral law, and we have the faith of Jesus. There is no contradiction between the two. Faith does not cancel the law. And #4 is the commandment to remember the sabbath. I don't understand why people fight it, as if they read the Bible in order to find out what they DON't have to do, instead of to find out what they CAN do. Keeping the sabbath is not a sign of weakness. It is a sign of obedience, and obedience is linked to belief throughout the Bible. Even in Hebrews, which Coconut left out:

Hebrews 4:1-2
For we also have had the gospel preached to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because those who heard did not combine it with faith...

..together with Hebews 4:11
Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience.

You have to know the OT.

I'm not saying I am well versed in scripture, and I know that way too many of you are going to jump on that statement, but we're all learning, me included, but obedience is linked with faith throughout the Bible and the quotes that are often given to support abolishing the law and/or the sabbath commandment don't hold up under more careful scrutiny and within the cohesiveness of the Bible, including the reliable nature of God.

Given the amount of times that keeping the sabbath commandment is mentioned in the Bible, the fact that Jesus honored it, and the disciples, and that God continually expresses woe at those who do not keep it, and that it is even a part of creation itself, don't you think that God would have told us it was changed leaving no possibility of confusion for us? I'm sorry, but the quotes that are typically given to accommodate a Sunday worship, or an every-day worship just don't hold up with a bit of study and logic. What do most of us do when we read scripture that seems to contradict itself? Most of us hold it in our minds that it is us who at the current time do not fully understand the scripture, because there are no contradictions, right? Remembering the sabbath is one of the 10 commandments, written in stone by the hand of God! If He were to change it, don't you think it would require something as equally powerful as that? Don't you think that God would have announced, in a clear a way as writing on stone if the 10 commandments were to be changed?

For me the issue isn't about being saved anymore. I'm saved. You're saved. The issue is: how can I possibly honor Him who saved me? I'm desperate to show my love for Him. How I can do that is spelled out for me - the 10 Commandments and the faith of Jesus. Both. And from there, all things are possible, and I am made new, and I am given more riches than gold can measure. I do understand how the typically given quotes for the revision of the sabbath commandment CAN be interpreted to absolve us from the sabbath commandmenst. What I don't understand, is why that sits so well with everyone.

2Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

I don't think Timothy had the New Testament like we do. He was talking about the Old Testament. Even if he did, it still sayys ALL scripture, that includes the OT.

Revelations 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. --both, not some of the commandments and faith

Psalms 19:7-14
The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul:
the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart:
the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever:
the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.

More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.

Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.

Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins;
let them not have dominion over me:
then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.
Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.

God bless,
dchena

**A note**
The Good News interpretation of Hebews leaves me with some suspicion. There has been controversy about the Good News translation with the accusation that the interpreter's own ideas have been worked into the translation. That it is more of a paraphrasing than a direct translation. It is punctuated in a way that actually give an opposite meaning than other Bibles. And it gives the same meaning (or non-meaning) to the Sabbath as the Catholic Bible. I know many of you here are firmaly against the teachings of Catholocism. It was the the Catholic church who took athority upon themselves to change the Word of God and change the sabbath to Sunday. And this didn't happen until a very long time(sorry, I can't remember the details) after the death and resurrection of our Saviour. In fact, they proclaim the change. They claim that the Pope has the authority from God to change the Word. And they openly state that the fact that so many Prodestants follow the switch is in and of itself proof that they have this authority. It's not a secret. Anyone who looks can find it. So I am a bit suspicious of that translation.

All I can say is that I hope you grow in Grace and in the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ and move from following shadows to following HolySpirit. These shadows were all in part but now the fullness of whom the shadows point to and testify of, has come and is manifest among us.
 
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Are you saying then, Coconut, that Paul contradicts himself?

Romans 6:15-18
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness

What is sin?

sin (Stong's #264) - to sin, do wrong; usually to do any act contrary to the will and law of God:-

What is righteousness?

righteousness (Strong's #1343) -righteousness, what is right,justice, the act of doing what is in agreement with God's standards, the state of being in a proper relationship with God:-

How do we know what God's standard are if not through the law? Jesus used examples of the 10 commandments himself to explain the depth of heart required to obey the law. Remember the tear out your right eye if it causes you to sin part? He showed the pharisees that the laws aree in fact a lot deeper than just outward actions, they were about inward control and love. He didn't say they were unimportant. He did the opposite.

Is there a possibility in your mind, Coconut, that you have more to learn? That maybe your understanding is not yet complete? There might be something left here for you to still discover. You seem to take pieces out of scripture, that to me anyway, don't make sense with the way you use them. You seem to take them out of context and use them to suit yourself. I know that's a harsh thing to say, and as I'm writing I'm examinimg myself for the same, because we are all apt to do so. I also know that you're not easily offended, so I'm taking liberty to be honest.

Do you really believe we have been given permission to ignore and disregard the commandments of God?
 
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All I can say is that I hope you grow in Grace and in the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ and move from following shadows to following HolySpirit. These shadows were all in part but now the fullness of who the shadows point to and testify of, has come and is manifest among us.

Jigglyfly,

I don't know how you read my post to understand that I am not following the Holy Spirit. I'm baffled.

You said: These shadows were all in part but now the fullness of who the shadows point to and testify of, has come and is manifest among us.

What does that actually mean to you? How does that sit in your heart and bring you peace?

Seriously, talking about the sabbath to Christians is a lot like talking to the unbelieving skeptic about Christ. The responses are not a whole lot different in nature.
 
Jigglyfly,

I don't know how you read my post to understand that I am not following the Holy Spirit. I'm baffled.

You said: These shadows were all in part but now the fullness of who the shadows point to and testify of, has come and is manifest among us.

What does that actually mean to you? How does that sit in your heart and bring you peace?

Seriously, talking about the sabbath to Christians is a lot like talking to the unbelieving skeptic about Christ. The responses are not a whole lot different in nature.


Well Dchena, let's back up then, just how do you propose that one should remember the sabbath and keep it holy?
 
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A couple clues..

Exodus 20:8-11
"Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.
Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates.
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Isaiah 58:13-14
If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
14Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
 
Hi dchena, how do we keep the sabbath without the ordinances contained in the sabbath? Be aware that these ordinances did not fade away until after the cross. Thats why i don't let anyone judge me in keeping the sabbath


Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 [And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.


When something is nailed to a cross it becomes a curse, this is why i ask. How do you keep the sabbath without the ordinances that were nailed to the cross. Like no work, no long distance traveling, no fire making and so on.

These are ordinances, and they were nailed to the cross of Christ for our freedom in Christ, and from the law of Moses. There is a new covenant written here sister, so going back to the old testament ordinances of the law, is not going to give you understanding of the new. See Romans...

God bless
 
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Over here in the UK it's Sunday that we tend to keep restful.

Although for me I think it's wrong for me to do anything business related on Sunday but will work on the house because I feel I'm doing the lords work to improve my families life style. Basically I try to do things for others.

I wish I could just not go shopping with the wife and the such like. For example we might go for a meal on our Sabbath but I'm not sure where to draw the line.

The commandments are such that I try but the culture is different. I think I need to let go of the culture and concentrate more on God. Although at the moment I've got bigger sins to fry.
 
Does it not say: If you love me, keep my commandments (John 14:15)?
Specifically what were the commandments spoken by Jesus Christ?
Though Jesus preached only to practicing Jews and the lost they certainly were not the Ten Commandments nor the Law but were separate and distinct.
 
Jesus is our Sabbath Rest

by Ray C. Stedman



Yesterday, which was the seventh day of the week, my wife and I attended a Bar Mitzvah service for a Jewish neighbor lad, to hear him conduct the service much as a rabbi would. He read, for the first time, from the scrolls of the Torah, the first five books of Moses. It was very impressive to see the rabbi unlock the ark in which the Torah is kept, bring out the scrolls, unroll them on the table, as Jews have done for centuries, and hear this thirteen-year-old boy read in Hebrew from the scrolls. Then he gave thanks for two things which have been the treasure of Israel for centuries, the Law and the Sabbath.

As you know, the Sabbath is one of the oldest institutions in the world, dating, as the Bible makes clear, from the very earliest appearance of man upon the earth, when God blessed and hallowed the Sabbath. Later, it was part of the Law given to Moses and Israel. Many Christians today are troubled -- considerably at times -- by the question: "Should we be observing the Sabbath yet today?" There are certain Christian groups who feel that this is the case; in fact they insist that we are not genuine Christians unless we observe the commandment of God to keep the Sabbath continuously. It is those claims that I want to examine now as we look at this record from the book of Genesis for the seventh day.

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God finished his work which he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done. So God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all his work which he had done in creation. (Genesis 2:1-3)

We must try to unfold the riddle of this passage, the hidden mysteries which God delights to hide within these simple words. We will look together at seven facts which will open to us the remarkable truth that is hidden in this strange institution of the Sabbath. It seems strange that after 2000 years of Christian teaching the Sabbath is still little understood, though its true meaning is of crucial importance to us.

The most outstandingly noteworthy thing that this passage indicates, which differs completely from the other days of creation is the absence of any reference to an evening or a morning. The record of all the other days of creation closed with the words, "and there was evening and there was morning, (a first, second, etc.,) day." But there is no reference to evening or morning in this passage. This helps to confirm what we have already seen in these "days" of creation: that these "days" do not primarily emphasize time, but development. The evening and morning were indicative of a developing process, beginning in a rather incomplete state and moving toward light. But on this seventh day there is no evening and morning. In fact, twice in this brief passage we find the word, "finished," occurring. "Thus the heavens the earth were finished" (Gen 2:1a) and "God finished his work" (Gen 2:2b). Obviously there is no need for development, no place for it. The work of God is complete on the seventh day, and therefore no evening or morning is mentioned.

Therefore, whatever the Sabbath is (which we will see as we go along), it is a perfect thing. It is always the same whenever we experience it. It is not something to grow into; it is something to step into and to discover it to be exactly what it always is perfect, finished. That is our first clue.

Let us now look at the second. It is obvious from this passage that the supreme meaning of sabbath is rest. In fact, the word "seven," the word "sabbath," and the word "rest," are all the same basic word in Hebrew, Shabat, seven, sabbath, rest. Therefore, the heart of the meaning of sabbath is rest. That is its primary significance.

Let us not misunderstand that. That does not mean rest as we often think of it. When we have been working hard and are weary and tired we need rest in order to restore our strength. But this is not the significance of the word here. It simply means the ending of activity, the cessation of effort. God was not tired by his creative work, he did not need to rest to restore strength. He did not stop because he was fatigued; he stopped because he was through. The Hawaiians have a very expressive word for it, pau. It means finished. He is pau, finished; and so he stopped. That is what we do when we are through with something, we stop. And this is what God did. He stopped because he was through. He had done all he intended to do and he rested in the midst of a perfect creation. Therefore the true sabbath, we will learn from this clue, is not the keeping of a special day but the ending of a specific effort. That is what sabbath means.

As a third point here, the specific effort from which God rested was creation. The text says, "So God rested from all his work which he had done in creation" (Gen 2:3). This is the last account of any creative activity. Man was made and then God rested, and there has been no creation since. Man is the last effort of God in creation, on the physical level. Therefore this sabbath, this rest upon which God entered, is still continuing today. God is not creating physically today. God is ceaselessly active in many, many ways, but not in creation. In the fifth chapter of John, when Jesus was in the synagogue the Jews were very distressed because he had healed a man on the sabbath day. The Pharisees accused him of breaking the Sabbath and Jesus answered them by saying, "My Father is working until now, and I am working," (cf, John 5:17). His argument was that it was proper for him to do a deed of mercy on the sabbath day because he was simply imitating his Father who was ceaselessly active in mercy and love on his sabbath day, his long rest. God had stopped creating but he was still busy in a thousand different ways. Thus the sabbath means that God's creative activity has ended.

Even evolutionists acknowledge this. Interestingly enough, many evolutionists admit that man is the end of the evolutionary ladder, and that nothing further has been evolved since the producing of man. We cannot agree with them as to how man came into being, but it is interesting that they agree at this point that there is no further evidence of development beyond man.

As a fourth point we must therefore recognize that the weekly sabbath, i.e., Saturday, is not the real sabbath. It never was, and it is not now. It is a picture or a reminder of the real sabbath. The true sabbath is a rest; the Jewish sabbath is a shadow, a picture of that rest. All the Old Testament shadows pointed to Christ. They were predictions, foreviews, of the coming of the One who would fulfill all these remarkable things. Every lamb that was brought as an offering was a shadow of the work of Christ. Every burnt offering, every bit of incense that was offered, was a picture of the fragrance of Jesus Christ. The tabernacle was a shadow of him. The high priest, in his garments and his office, was a shadow of Christ as our High Priest. Read the book of Hebrews and you will see how beautifully all this is brought out. These Old Testament shadows were looking forward to the coming of the One who would fulfill these and thus end them. When the work of Jesus Christ was finished the shadows were no longer needed.

We behave very similarly today. Some twenty-two years ago when, as a much younger man, I was in Hawaii, I found myself engaged to a lovely girl who lived in Montana and whom I hadn't seen for three or four years. We were writing back and forth in those lonely days, and she sent me her picture. It was a beautiful picture and I showed it to all my friends dozens of times. I propped it up on the desk and I would look at it at least three or four times a day. It was all I had to remind me of her and it served moderately well for that purpose. But one wonderful day she arrived in Hawaii and I saw her face to face. I didn't spend much time with the picture after that, nor have I since. The other day I was cleaning out the garage and ran across the picture. It was still a beautiful picture, and I noted that she had not changed very remarkably since those days, but I found that the picture was quite incomplete and unsatisfying. When the real thing came there was no longer any need for the picture.

This is exactly what happened with these Old Testament shadows, including the Sabbath. When the Lord came, and his work was ended, making possible the true fulfillment of God's intention in the Sabbath, the picture was no longer needed. The weekly sabbath ended at the cross. Paul specifically says this. In the letter to the Colossians he confirms it to us. In Chapter 2, beginning with Verse 13, he says,

And you, who were dead in trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, having canceled the bond which stood against us with its legal demands; this he set aside, nailing it to the cross. He disarmed the principalities and powers and made a public example of them, triumphing over them in it [not him; it, the cross].

Therefore, let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a sabbath. These are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. (Colossians 2:13-17)

That should make it clear. This is why the claims of the Seventh Day Adventists, the Seventh Day Baptists, and other groups, that Christians changed the sabbath, are absurd, ridiculous. They claim that the Pope changed the sabbath by a papal edict from Saturday to Sunday, and that around the third or fourth century Christians began to celebrate Sunday rather than Saturday, out of obedience to this papal edict. But nothing could be further from the truth. History does not corroborate that in any degree. The Sabbath has always been Saturday and it always will be. It is the seventh day of the week. Sunday has always been the first day of the week. It has never been a sabbath, and it is pure legalism to call it a sabbath or to treat it as one. It is not a day of rest or restricted activity and it is not designed as such. It is the first day of the week; to Christians, the Lord's day.

The shadow-sabbath ended at the cross, as Paul has made clear. The next day was the day of resurrection, the day when the Lord Jesus came from the tomb. On that day a new day began -- the Lord's day. Christians immediately began to observe the Lord's day on the first day of the week. They ceased observing the Sabbath because it was ended by the fulfillment of its reality in the cross, and they began to observe the first day of the week. This is what you find reflected in the book of Acts. Justin Martyr, who writes from the 2nd century, says,

But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, when he changed the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ, our Savior, on the same day, rose from the dead.

A fifth fact about this: Though this shadow-sabbath, i.e., Saturday observance, ended at the cross, the true sabbath, the rest of God, God's ceasing from effort, continued and still continues today. That sabbath, in its application to us, is defined for us in Hebrews 4, Verses 9 and 10:

So then, there remains a sabbath rest for the people of God [it is available to us now]; for whoever enters God's rest also ceases from his labors as God did from his. (Hebrews 4:9-10)

That is what the true sabbath is, to cease from your own labors, your own efforts, your own activity; to cease from your own works. "Well," you say, "if I did that I would be nothing but a blob, an immobile inactive piece of flesh."

Exactly! Of course you would. But the implication is that you cease from your own efforts and depend on the work of Another. That is the whole import of the book of Hebrews, another One is going to work through you. This is why Paul cries, "Not I, but Christ. I no longer live, but Christ lives in me," (cf, Gal 2:20). This was also the secret of the life of Jesus, as we have seen. He himself said, "It is the Father who dwells in me who does the work," (cf, John 14:10). "The Son can do nothing by himself," (cf, John 5:19). This is the secret of the Christian who learns "it is God who works in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure," (cf, Phil 2:13). So the secret of true Christian life is to cease from dependence on one's own activity, and to rest in dependence upon the activity of Another who dwells within. That is fulfilling the sabbath, the true sabbath.

That true sabbath, we read in Genesis 2, God blessed and hallowed. As we have already seen in this series, blessing is connected with fruitfulness and dominion. God blessed the animals and said, "Be fruitful and multiply." He said to man, "Be fruitful and multiply and have dominion over all the earth." That is what blessing means, to make possible both fruitfulness and dominion. When God "hallowed," or "sanctified" (KJV), the sabbath, he assigned it a specific function to perform. That is what sanctification always is -- to put to a proper or intended purpose. Thus God designated the true sabbath to the function of producing blessing (fruitfulness and dominion) for man. This is why the Lord Jesus declared, "the sabbath is made for man; not man for the sabbath," (Mark 2:27). So the true sabbath rest is to rest on Another, and this is the divine provision to produce fruitfulness and abundance of victory in a Christian's life.

Let us look at that a little closer because that is God's provision for living adequately today. Are you adequate? Do you find yourself able to cope with the situations in life into which you are thrust day after day, moment by moment? Are you confident? Are you capable? Are you panic-proof? Are you filled with fruitfulness, fragrance, abundance? God's rest is designed to produce that. God said it would. He makes it available for that purpose and it is the only thing that will do it; there is no substitute.

I'm afraid most of us fit the self-description of someone who said he was a mouse studying to be a rat. By our best efforts we can rise to a high level of mediocrity -- inadequate, unable. Why? Simply because we are depending on our effort. We are either extroverts, confident that we can do things and therefore frequently falling flat on our face; or we are introverts, so afraid to try anything that we don't even dare show our face. It is all because we are looking to ourselves as our resource; our background, our training, our gifts, our talents, our education, etc. It either results in feeling that we have what it takes and can be confident, able, and powerful; or, as we look at ourselves we say, we don't have what it takes and therefore we can't take it and we won't even try. So we become either over-confident and under-equipped, or under-confident and overworked, trying constantly to make up by activity what we lack in results.

God knew that this would be our problem. He understands us. Nothing is hidden from him; he knows exactly the way we operate. Therefore he has designed an adequate provision for our weakness, teaching us how to operate on an entirely different basis, to no longer look to oneself but to look to the one who dwells within; to expect him to do something through you, using your mind, your will, your emotions, your feelings, but it is he who does the work. But unless you begin to count on his working you will never experience it.

Right here comes the seventh factor, the one serious problem which remains. Christians say again and again, Why is this so difficult to do? Why do I have so much trouble? Why is it that Hebrews 4:11 goes on to say, "Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, that no one fall by the same sort of disobedience." Why must we work at this?

Some seem able to learn it, and from time to time we see someone virtually come alive and their Christian life is simply transformed by learning to operate on this principle. They lose their egotism, as extroverts; or they lose their introverted feeling of self-consciousness. They begin to do things and to enjoy them, experiencing the blessing and excitement of Christian living.

Others say, "I see all this, and I want to do it too. I know what is said about how to rest, but I try it and it doesn't work. Why? Why do we fail?" The answer is given, I think, in a word of the Lord Jesus, recorded in Matthew 11, words we well know:

"Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me; for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light." (Matthew 11:28-30)

Notice that twice in that passage is the word rest. One rest is given, the other is found: One is experienced when we first come to Jesus Christ. He gives us rest. Do you remember when you came to Christ? You simply believed what the Scripture said, that on the cross of Calvary he took your place, he died for you; he bore the punishment for your sin; he was wounded for your transgressions, he was bruised for your iniquity; and you believed that. Immediately there was a sense of peace flooding your heart, a quietness. You felt no more guilt, no more fear of death, no more need for painful efforts to win Brownie points with God. You were resting on the work of Another. Christ paid it all; you were freely forgiven. What a sense of rest that was! He gave it to you.

But as you went on as a Christian you found that problems began to return and failures came. Your Christian life became boring and dull, barren and uninteresting. You knew something was wrong and you resolved to try harder, to give yourself more fully to Christian activity, to throw yourself into it with more zeal and effort. This you did, and for awhile things went better, then it seemed to ebb out again into the same old thing. You ended up bored and disillusioned, disenchanted, discouraged. What is the answer? Well, it is what our Lord said, "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me, and you will find rest," (Matt 11:29-30a)

Back in the days of the old West the oxen teams that came across the prairies were yoked together with a great, wooden yoke, made to fit over the necks of two oxen. A yoke is always made for two, never for one. Jesus was a carpenter, and in the carpenter shop in Nazareth he often made yokes. From this he draws this very apt simile. "Enter into the yoke with me," he says, "you on one side; I on the other." A yoke is also a symbol of servitude, of controlled labor and activity. It means the end of self-service. When an ox is yoked, he is no longer free to do what he wants to do. He is under the direction of the owner, the driver. To be yoked means the end of running his own life and seeking his own way. This is what Jesus means. He did this. "He learned obedience by the things which he suffered," the writer of Hebrews tells us (cf, Heb 5:8). He learned to do what he did not want to do, because God wanted him to do it. "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me," he says (Matt 11:29a).

When you enter into the yoke with Jesus you expect the Father to take over the program of your life. You may be surprised what he does with it. You no longer have the right to decide what you are going to do with your life. It does not make any difference what time of your life you enter into this yoke, whether you are a youth at the beginning of your adult life, or whether you are a man sixty years old, with a great business depending upon you as the executive head. It does not make any difference. When you enter into the yoke with Jesus Christ you give up the right to determine what your life may be. You expect him to direct you.

It is his job to give the orders, it is his job to make you know what he wants you to do. He may make some dramatic changes, or he may not. He may leave you right where you are, doing what you are doing now, or he may tell you to stop it all, at great cost perhaps, outwardly, and leave it and go some place else to do something else. But one thing is certain, one thing he surely will do, no matter if he sends you some place else or leaves you right where you are -- one thing he will certainly do: He will remove you from the spotlight, out of the center of things, he will enroll you in school. And do you know what the curriculum will be? "Learn of me, for I am meek and lowly in heart," (Matt 11:29b KJV). He will begin to teach you humility -- how not to be the center of attention, how to be content with letting someone else get all the credit. He will enroll you in the school that cancels out ego satisfaction. That is the principle by which the world lives, in its delusion. It is the thing that is destroying human life; the desire to be a god, your own god; to run your life to suit yourself. This can never be for those who are called to be Jesus Christ's -- "you are not your own, you are bought with a price" (cf, 1 Cor 6:19b-20a).

The reason why you cannot enter into the joy and glory and excitement of the rest which God has provided in ceasing from your own activities and resting upon his, is because, in some way or another, you are protecting some area of the ego, the self-life, saying, "This is mine; keep your hands off." As long as you do that you cannot have rest.

"Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abides alone; but if it die, it brings forth much fruit." (John 12:24 KJV)

Rest is the secret of human fruitfulness. As you consent to this, a wonderful thing will begin to happen. You will find rest. Jesus said you would. "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest." (Mathew 11:29 KJV). Rest, with all it implies in terms of fruitfulness and dominion; reigning, ruling, producing that which is worthwhile and satisfying in life. That is the secret of life. This is why Jesus said, "If any man will save his life, he shall lose it. But if he shall lose his life for my sake, he shall find it," (cf, Matt 16:25, Mark 8:35, Luke 9:24). He will find rest, he will fulfill the sabbath for that is what the sabbath is. It is God's divine provision for us. In the only judgment that is ever worthwhile, the judgment before the assembled hosts of heaven, when every life is reviewed as to whether it was worth the living, whether it hit the target or not, the secret of a success that will merit the words of Jesus, "Well done, thou good and faithful servant," is to learn the rest of God. Anyone who learns that (and to the degree that you learn it) is keeping the sabbath as God intended the sabbath to be kept. (From The Seventh Day, by Ray C. Stedman, 12/10/67, The Beginnings: Commentary on Genesis)

Additional Information: Ray Stedman discusses entering God's rest in his IVP commentary on Hebrews, Chapters 3-4.

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A couple clues..

Exodus 20:8-11
"Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.
Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates.
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Isaiah 58:13-14
If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
14Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Sorry it seems I missed your response Dchena, How did the priests keep the sabbath? Many of them had double duties on the sabbath.
 
I know it is offensive to some to even mention keeping the Sabbath commandment on Saturday, but we're all big kids, right? I'm curious.... do you keep the Sabbath commandment?
(The only day to keep it is Saturday. If you observe it on a different day, it's not the sabbath)


i think you are missing one key point about the sabbath. the sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath.

the word saturday comes from hebrew tounge word that means sabbath. i agree with you that "technically" saturday is the sabbath. and if you look on a calendar saturday is the last day of the week.

however the sabbath is made FOR US. God rested after his work. its a time for us to enter in his rest. to spiuritually "recoup" after the trials and pressures of the week. now how (where i live) monday is copnsidered the first day of the week because of how work place jobs go.

back in the day the made up all kindsa leagalistic rules for the sabbath that got carried away. they said you cant take but so many steps on the sabbath. and on and on with ridiculous "rules" that God didnt place on us. i dont think God will send us to hell for having a sabbath day on a day not technically the sabbath. the important thing is that we enter into his rest. i suggest reading hebrews. it speaks about entering in his rest on the sabbath more than keeping it on a certian day. which could be getting back to that list of rules.
 
We are no longer under law but grace. I'm not a legalist.

So the answer to your question is NO!

Big deal Sat or Sun. The prinicpal is to take one day in seven and rest. Too hard to refuse to work on Sat's anyway so it is easier to keep Sun as my day off.

Also most Churches are open on Sunday not Saturday. It's also more practical to get fellowship and teaching in God's Word by having Sunday as my day of rest.
 
My dear friend,

Nowhere in the Bible does it say we are free from the law. Jesus Himself kept all of the commandments and He is our example. We follow Him.

Because we are under grace does not mean we are free to sin (transgress the laws of God). Where in the Bible does it say we are free to sin?

Do you keep the other commandments? If so, why?

It is important to follow God's commandments as they are written. Otherwise we are judging the law ourselves (being presumptuous and arrogant) and relying on our own understandings: "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and do not lean on your own understanding." (Proverbs 3:5)

These are Jesus' own words:
"It is written, 'Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.'" (Mathew 4:4)

The ten commandments are God's words, right out of His very own mouth:
"Then God spoke all these words saying, 'I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods before Me'...." (Exodus 20:1-17)
and He goes on to SPEAK the ten commandments, including the Sabbath commandment, which specifically states the seventh day of the week, for He has not blessed the first day, or the third day. He has blessed the seventh day, and has commanded that we keep this day holy. It is not up to our convenience or preference. It is to be as He commanded.

Jesus did exactly as the Father commanded Him:
"But so that the world may know that I love the Father, I do exactly as the Father commanded Me." ((John 14:31)

Do you love God? How will you let the world know that you love God?

"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments." (John 14:15)

Who gave the ten commandments?

The God who gave Moses the 10 commandments is Jesus.

The God who gave Moses the 10 commandments is the I AM:
Then Moses said to God, "Behold, I am going to the sons of Israel, and I will say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you.' Now they may say to me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?" God said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'" (Exodus 3:13, 14)

Jesus says Himself that He is the I AM:
Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM." (John 8:58)

It was Christ who was with the Israelites in their Exodus:
"Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ." (1Corinthians 10:1-4)

It's no small matter.

"For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. For He who said, "Do not commit adultry, " also said, "Do not commit murder." Now if you do not commit adultry but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. So speak and act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty." (James 2:10-12)

Jesus intensified the law for us. Rather than being mere actions, He brought them into the realm of the heart and thoughts. We cannot keep the law to this degree without the saving grace of God shown us in the ressurection of Christ. We are powerless to do this. This is the beauty of Christ and of grace, "that we serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter." (Romans 7:6)

Serving "in the oldness of the letter" means to be serving based on works, to serve based on our own actions, and this is futile, for "all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags." (Isaiah 64:6) The law without the Spirit is powerless to save. We need faith in Christ, and by grace we are saved, because we are given the power to keep the law.

1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. (Romans 8: 1-7)

This is a really important matter. We have no authority to change God's commands. And being a disciple of Christ means being willing to follow Him, His example. Sometimes it requires sacrifice.

Is it hard to find a job that doesn't require you to work Saturdays? God will help you.

Does your church teach that it is okay to keep the Sabbath on the 1st day of the week? Your church is leading you astray. Why would you stay there?

Who will be saved in the end times?
"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."

They go together, faith and the commandments. They cannot be seperated. And it requires perseverance.

It is no small matter, and I urge you to honestly seek for truth, not for what you want to hear, or for what'll allow you to stay comfortable in your ways.

Diligently seek for truth and be open to receive the love of the truth at all costs, and God will show you Himself.

With blessings and hope,
dchena
 
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