Do you keep the Saturday Sabbath?

[dchena]

Sorry it seems I missed your response Dchena, How did the priests keep the sabbath? Many of them had double duties on the sabbath.

"Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?" (Mathew 12:5)

Jesus taught us that it is lawful to good on the Sabbath, and not to withhold mercy. The priests were working for the salvation of man. He taught us how to better keep the Sabbath, which supports the fact that He upholds it, along with all the other commandments. He didn't abrogate the Sabbath, or give clearance to interpret it anyhow we wish, or to change the day to suit our convenience.

 

[KingdomSeeker]

Jesus is the Sabbath. Jesus is also the law. (Romans 8:2)

 

[jiggyfly]

My dear friend,

Nowhere in the Bible does it say we are free from the law. Jesus Himself kept all of the commandments and He is our example. We follow Him.


dchena

So since God's grace has set us free from the law, does this mean we can go on sinning? Of course not! Romans 6:15

Now, dear brothers and sisters [fn]--you who are familiar with the law--don't you know that the law applies only to a person who is still living? Let me illustrate. When a woman marries, the law binds her to her husband as long as he is alive. But if he dies, the laws of marriage no longer apply to her. So while her husband is alive, she would be committing adultery if she married another man. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law and does not commit adultery when she remarries.
So this is the point: The law no longer holds you in its power, because you died to its power when you died with Christ on the cross. And now you are united with the one who was raised from the dead. As a result, you can produce good fruit, that is, good deeds for God. Romans 7:2-4

Dear brothers and sisters, [fn] I plead with you to live as I do in freedom from these things, for I have become like you Gentiles were--free from the law. You did not mistreat me when I first preached to you. Galatians 4:12

So Christ has really set us free. Now make sure that you stay free, and don't get tied up again in slavery to the law. Galatians 5:1

That old system of law etched in stone led to death, yet it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses' face. For his face shone with the glory of God, even though the brightness was already fading away. 2Corinthians 3:7

By his death he ended the whole system of Jewish law that excluded the Gentiles. His purpose was to make peace between Jews and Gentiles by creating in himself one new person from the two groups. Ephesians 2:15

 

[jiggyfly]

"Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?" (Mathew 12:5)

Jesus taught us that it is lawful to good on the Sabbath, and not to withhold mercy. The priests were working for the salvation of man. He taught us how to better keep the Sabbath, which supports the fact that He upholds it, along with all the other commandments. He didn't abrogate the Sabbath, or give clearance to interpret it anyhow we wish, or to change the day to suit our convenience.

Who do you think are the priests in the new covenant?

 

[spirit1st]

I agree , God expects more from us than one day a week!
He wants us to give each day for Him and His glory!


He only wrote two laws in our heart to keep LOVE and Faith!
God is LOVE ,so we know nothing is greater than LOVE!

We are under the law of LOVE and Faith!

Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

 

[dchena]

By his death he ended the whole system of Jewish law that excluded the Gentiles. His purpose was to make peace between Jews and Gentiles by creating in himself one new person from the two groups. Ephesians 2:15

Jiggyfly, Jesus said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." The sabbath was made for man, not just for the Jew. It is a gift from God.
Are you saying that the 10 commandments were just for the Jews and do not apply to us?
Are you saying that peace could exist between the Jews and the Gentiles without the 10 commandments?
Can peace exist anywhere without the 10 commandments?
Are you saying that Jesus gave His life for us so that we can commit adultry?
Are you saying that it is freedom to be able to commit adultry or steal or to put other gods before the Creator of heaven and earth?

And we are the priests, but we no longer officiate in the temple services with sacrifices and such. The Isrealites failed. As a body they failed. They were supposed to reach out to all the nations so that the whole world would be brought to unity. This is now our job. We can certailny spread the good news and be living examples of the love of God on the Sabbath. Did you mean that since we are the priests that we can do whatever we want on the Sabbath?


spirit1st, you are right, it is true that we need to honor God everyday, but that does not detract from the commandment given to keep the seventh day Sabbath.

You said we are under the law of love and faith. Love is defined for us in the Bible: "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments." (1John 5:2) The commandments can indeed be summed up as "love", but "love" can be defined as the commandments of God. Where ever there is sin, which the Bible defines as lawlessness (1John 3:4), there is no love. When we sin we step out of God's law and out of love. Love and the law cannot be seperated.

The Bible has a lot to say about faith also, about faith and works:
"through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith among all the Gentiles for His name's sake," (Romans 1:5)

19You believe that God is one You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.
20But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
21Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar?
22You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected;
23and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS," and he was called the friend of God.
24You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
25In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way?
26For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead. (James 2:19-26)

Obedience is evidence of a living faith. Obedience is the "works".

Take care my friends, and God bless.

 

[jiggyfly]

Jiggyfly, Jesus said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." The sabbath was made for man, not just for the Jew. It is a gift from God.
Are you saying that the 10 commandments were just for the Jews and do not apply to us?
Are you saying that peace could exist between the Jews and the Gentiles without the 10 commandments?
Can peace exist anywhere without the 10 commandments?
Are you saying that Jesus gave His life for us so that we can commit adultry?
Are you saying that it is freedom to be able to commit adultry or steal or to put other gods before the Creator of heaven and earth?

And we are the priests, but we no longer officiate in the temple services with sacrifices and such. The Isrealites failed. As a body they failed. They were supposed to reach out to all the nations so that the whole world would be brought to unity. This is now our job. We can certailny spread the good news and be living examples of the love of God on the Sabbath. Did you mean that since we are the priests that we can do whatever we want on the Sabbath?


spirit1st, you are right, it is true that we need to honor God everyday, but that does not detract from the commandment given to keep the seventh day Sabbath.

You said we are under the law of love and faith. Love is defined for us in the Bible: "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments." (1John 5:2) The commandments can indeed be summed up as "love", but "love" can be defined as the commandments of God. Where ever there is sin, which the Bible defines as lawlessness (1John 3:4), there is no love. When we sin we step out of God's law and out of love. Love and the law cannot be seperated.

The Bible has a lot to say about faith also, about faith and works:
"through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith among all the Gentiles for His name's sake," (Romans 1:5)

19You believe that God is one You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.
20But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
21Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar?
22You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected;
23and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS," and he was called the friend of God.
24You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
25In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way?
26For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead. (James 2:19-26)

Obedience is evidence of a living faith. Obedience is the "works".

Take care my friends, and God bless.

You said; "Nowhere in the Bible does it say we are free from the law. Jesus Himself kept all of the commandments and He is our example. We follow Him."

I am only showing your error with the scriptures I did not elaborate with my own interpretation.

 

[dchena]

Would you mind explaining your interpretation then? If we are free from the law, how is it that we are not free to sin? How is it that sin can exist without the law?

It is because we are free from sin in Christ Jesus that we are free from the law. This does not mean that we disregard the law.

 

[MelodyC]

Dchena

We are free from the law. Read Romans my friend.

You are arguing with the Apostle Paul not me.

I have the feeling no matter how much scriptural proof you get you aren't budging your opinion on this.

You know what they say:-

"a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still".

Cheers and no hard feelings
MelodyC

 

[The Robster]

Would you mind explaining your interpretation then? If we are free from the law, how is it that we are not free to sin? How is it that sin can exist without the law?

It is because we are free from sin in Christ Jesus that we are free from the law. This does not mean that we disregard the law.

When Jesus walked and preached the Word, He was living and operating under the Old Covenant. The Law was nailed to the cross too. You can't live under the Law and Grace. Its one or the other. If you are law conscious, then Christ is of no effect in your life. You won't see God's grace operating in your life. You have to choose. The Law doesn't produce holiness and it produces sin and condemnation and guilt. Even if a Christian sins, they are still righteous. Don't trip over that.

 

[dchena]

Romans 6:15-19

15 "What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be!

16 "Do you not know that when you present yourself to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?

17 "But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed,

18 "and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.

19 "I am speaking in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness, resulting in further lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness, resulting in sanctification."

We cannot sin and be free from sin at the same time. If we sin, we are slaves to sin.

It is true that, as human beings marred by sin, we rely entirely upon Christ's righteousness, but "if we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (1John 1:9).

We need to confess our sins and turn away from them. But how can we confess our sins if we disregard the law, for "I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, " YOU SHALL NOT COVET" (Romans 7:7)?

We do not have permission in the Bible to sin.
Being free from the law does not mean we can disregard the law.
This is what I meant when I said the Bible does not tell us that we are free from the law. You guys seem to believe that being free from the law means to have permission to sin.

"You have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood in your striving against sin;" (Hebrews 12:4).

Can we agree that the Bible does not teach us that we can sin as we please?

Can we agree that choosing to sin as we please is setting our minds upon the flesh? It is choosing to follow sin, making us slaves to sin, and not slaves to righteousness (Romans 8:5).

If we can agree on these points then we can can go a little further and agree that "the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God" (Romans 8:7), for we are not really agreeing with each other, rather, we are accepting scripture.

Why would Paul say in one sentence that we are free from the law, then in another that we cannot please God unless we subject ourselves to His law?

 

[The Robster]

Romans 6:15-19

15 "What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be!

16 "Do you not know that when you present yourself to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?

17 "But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed,

18 "and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.

19 "I am speaking in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness, resulting in further lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness, resulting in sanctification."

We cannot sin and be free from sin at the same time. If we sin, we are slaves to sin.

It is true that, as human beings marred by sin, we rely entirely upon Christ's righteousness, but "if we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (1John 1:9).

We need to confess our sins and turn away from them. But how can we confess our sins if we disregard the law, for "I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, " YOU SHALL NOT COVET" (Romans 7:7)?

We do not have permission in the Bible to sin.
Being free from the law does not mean we can disregard the law.
This is what I meant when I said the Bible does not tell us that we are free from the law. You guys seem to believe that being free from the law means to have permission to sin.

"You have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood in your striving against sin;" (Hebrews 12:4).

Can we agree that the Bible does not teach us that we can sin as we please?

Can we agree that choosing to sin as we please is setting our minds upon the flesh? It is choosing to follow sin, making us slaves to sin, and not slaves to righteousness (Romans 8:5).

If we can agree on these points then we can can go a little further and agree that "the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God" (Romans 8:7), for we are not really agreeing with each other, rather, we are accepting scripture.

Why would Paul say in one sentence that we are free from the law, then in another that we cannot please God unless we subject ourselves to His law?

1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

We are perpetually washed clean of sin with Jesus' blood. In the original Greek text, the tense for the word “cleanses” denotes a present continuous action. This means that once you are a believer, the blood of Jesus Christ keeps on cleansing you from every sin! So you can rest knowing that you are always forgiven in this continuous “wash cycle” of Jesus’ blood. Because you are continually cleansed, you are always in the light. Of course, you will fail here and there, but you are still in the light because the blood is continuously washing you.

The Bible says that we overcome the devil, the accuser of our brethren, by the blood of the Lamb. (Revelation 12:11) If you have sinned, remind yourself that Jesus’ blood keeps on cleansing you from every sin 24 hours a day, seven days a week and move on with God! The devil cannot defeat you when your faith is in the blood that cleanses you continuously. Some Christians are guilt-ridden because their consciousness of their sins condemns them. Although Jesus’ blood continuously cleanses them, they would rather hold on to their past mistakes and feel bad about them, thinking that they are being humble and holy when they do this. But this is nothing more than self-righteousness. The eternal blood of Jesus Christ offers you eternal redemption and everlasting righteousness.

 

[dchena]

Yes, the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin, but what do you think the result of that is here on earth? Christianity is a very practical way of life. It shows up in our conduct and in our choices. So what does it mean in your daily living choices to be cleansed from all sin? And what is "all sin"?

 

[The Robster]

Yes, the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin, but what do you think the result of that is here on earth? Christianity is a very practical way of life. It shows up in our conduct and in our choices. So what does it mean in your daily living choices to be cleansed from all sin? And what is "all sin"?

What it means in all practical purposes is that you and me are going to commit sins from today on and the rest of our lives and we should stop being sin conscious and worried about sin because its all forgiven. If you want to be Law conscious then you will continue to sin mkore and more and more... The Law doesn't produce holiness. Its called the ministry of death for a reason. You should be grace conscious. Why go back to the Old Covenant when the one that we have now is the greatest anyone could have? A sin is a failing. It seems that many Christians don't even know what a sin is. Well God declares that where there is sin, grace super abounds. Every Christian is against sin. But being Law conscious will make you sin more. And if you are under the Law, Christ becomes null and void in your life. We need to be righteousness conscious and forgiven conscious and always depending on God's favor and grace in every day life. If you want to go back to the Law, then make sure you bring your animals to the church to be sacrificed by the pastor. Oh and make sure you tithe and bring offerings. Even though Christians should be tithing and bringing offerings to the Lord under NC, you are now left with no excuse not to tithe or bring offerings since you've decided to go back to the Law.

 

[jeffsi435]

No, I don't observe this because I am not under the law anymore and it will not add to my salvation. It is unnecessary

 

[dchena]

1John 3:4

"Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness".




Mathew 7:21-23

"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kngdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven will enter.

"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'

"And I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.'"




Romans 3:28-31

"For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

"Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.

"Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law."

Keep studying, my friend. Don't stop studying.

 

[MelodyC]

1John 3:4

"Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness".




Mathew 7:21-23

"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kngdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven will enter.

"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'

"And I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.'"




Romans 3:28-31

"For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

"Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.

"Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law."

Keep studying, my friend. Don't stop studying.

I'm dead to the law. Now I can serve God in a new way!

GAL 2:15 "We who are Jews by birth and not `Gentile sinners' 16 know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.

GAL 2:17 "If, while we seek to be justified in Christ, it becomes evident that we ourselves are sinners, does that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild what I destroyed, I prove that I am a lawbreaker. 19 For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"

RO 7:1 Do you not know, brothers--for I am speaking to men who know the law--that the law has authority over a man only as long as he lives? 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage. 3 So then, if she marries another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress, even though she marries another man.

RO 7:4 So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God. 5 For when we were controlled by the sinful nature, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

You can't judge the salvation of a person who claims to be a brother or sister in Christ. No one knows who will be the ones accepted or rejected by the Lord except the Lord Himself. Even the Saved Sin but we are covered by the Blood of Christ and stand righteous before the Lord. God (like any good father) deals with His children and disciplines us, we are not left to go on sinning. We can encourage our brothers and sisters in the Word of God to build them up but it isn't for us to just point the finger at them in judgement.

MT 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

 

[dchena]

The Bible does not contradict itself, right? Do we agree on this?

 

[MelodyC]

Dchena,

I don't play games or one-up-manship with you. Obviously you like to set up your opponent first.

Here is the thing I certainly believe the Bible is true in it's entirety.

However I do not always agree with other people's interpretation.

I certainly believe in the truth of the verses you have quoted but your interpretation doesn't align with mine.

As I said before you are a tough nut who will certainly will not back down.

Cheers from a person who knows when to put her two cents in and when to bow out gracefully.

 

[jiggyfly]

The Bible does not contradict itself, right? Do we agree on this?

The scriptures do not but translations and interpretations do.:shade: