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Does Anybody Believe in Hell?

I am being asked to believe that someone who never heard of Jesus is going to be tortured for eternity because he was brought up in the wrong time or village.
God is Love.I am not love and I wouldn't do that.
Honestly I would not even want to be near someone that cruel.
Do we realize what a schizophrenic God we preach when we talk about an all loving God that tortures the ignorant?
It is NOT sound doctrine.
 
God is love, but He also is justice. On judgement day, there are two ways people will go. to the right or left.

Depending on if they believed in Jesus and that He came to die for us, and that they lived Christ-like, will depend on where they will go.

It is a very bad situation to be in if you get the judgement day and you realize that there is a hell!

Why would Jesus talk about something that doesn't exist?
 
Jesus never said hell,he referred to Gehenna,which is the Valley of Hinnom which was the garbage dump outside of Jerusalem.Where their worm dieth not and the fire never ceases.It would be better to lose an eye than be thrown there.
This was translated as hell.Hell is from Greek mythology,as is Hades. When the old testament was translated to Greek they did not have an equivalent word to Sheol,so the translators chose Hades.
Jesus spoke of Sheol which is the abode of the dead and he spoke of
Gehenna.

Job 7:9 "Just as a cloud dissipates and vanishes, those who go down to Sheol will not come back."
Psalms 6:4–5 "Turn, O LORD, deliver my life; save me for the sake of your steadfast love. For in death there is no remembrance of you; in Sheol who will give you praise?"

In the early books of the old testament Sheol was like the atheist heaven,NOTHING.

Jesus used the garbage dump as a figurative way of describing a wasted life.
If it's that easy to get thrown in hell for eternity then why did Jesus tell us to count the cost?

By the way if there is a hell,it's not eternal it meets it's end in Rev. Chapter 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.Many times God has to deal with things that are made real by mans imagination.

Gen 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people [is] one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

What men imagine and agree upon is a form of ungodly reality that God will have to deal with even though it's not real.
 
Mark Twain was once asked if he believed in baptism. His reply was, "Believe in it? My man, I have seen it with my own eyes."

Likewise, I have seen Hitler's death camps, read stories about Darfur and American treatment of prisoners at Guantanamo, talked with refugees, worked with the homeless and starving, worked with abused children. Yes, there is a hell, and it is here and now on this earth.

As for the Bible, when you look at Jesus actual statements about both the Kingdom of God (heaven) and Ghenna (name of the burning garbage dump outside of Jerusalem, translated as "hell"), they are overwhelmingly about the here and now, sometimes extending into the future, but never without a reference to the present.

If anyone is reading a Bible that uses the words "heaven" or "hell", you need to research the translation, because many of these are deliberately mistranslated to offer the translators' own opinions, and many manuscripts used for translation which do in fact use these words have been proven to be deliberate insertions by medieval copyists, now that older manuscripts without these words have been found.

At best, we can look at Paul's writings, which talk about a life full of sinfulness without asking God's forgiveness, and an eternal separation from God. Other verses of Paul can easily be interpreted as God giving us a chance for repentance after our earthly life.

I haven't read Bell's new controversial book about hell, but I am looking forward to what he has to say. Supposedly he addresses, with facts, issues about translation and additions to manuscripts, etc.

I have come to my conclusions after a great deal of study over many years, with the guidance of repeated prayers and the Holy Spirit.
 
I am being asked to believe that someone who never heard of Jesus is going to be tortured for eternity because he was brought up in the wrong time or village.
God is Love.I am not love and I wouldn't do that.
Honestly I would not even want to be near someone that cruel.
Do we realize what a schizophrenic God we preach when we talk about an all loving God that tortures the ignorant?
It is NOT sound doctrine.


AC 17:24 "The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands. 25 And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything, because he himself gives all men life and breath and everything else. 26 From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live. 27 God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us. 28 `For in him we live and move and have our being.' As some of your own poets have said, `We are his offspring.'


RO 1:18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

God has ensured every person is born in the right place and at the right time and able to Seek God and Find Him. No man can say he has the excuse of Ignorance when He comes before God in judgement. Because as you say God is a God of JUSTICE.
 
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CRAZY TALK!! If you believe God plans for a specific person to be born in a specific place at a specific time, then you do not believe in free will. Then you must also believe that God presents you with this knowledge as a specific test of you personally, to see if you quote scriptures (which Jesus prohibited unless you want to be judged as judgemental), or if you do something personally to correct the situation (which Jesus and Paul explicitly did no matter how far they had to travel). If you believe what you say, why aren't you in Darfur?
 
heaven is real, so its hell too. i believe all sinners heads down to hell while we ascend into heaven, here on earth we are given opportunity to choose where to go,heaven or hell. so my dear brethren where have you chosen to be? a thought for the heart. remain blessed.
 
God is love, but He also is justice. On judgement day, there are two ways people will go. to the right or left.

Depending on if they believed in Jesus and that He came to die for us, and that they lived Christ-like, will depend on where they will go.

It is a very bad situation to be in if you get the judgement day and you realize that there is a hell!

Why would Jesus talk about something that doesn't exist?

That is heretical crap, and directly opposite to what Jesus said. Jesus said the ONLY criterion for eternal life (true, he used different language to try to get the point across to those he called "too weak-minded to understand anything but rules" in so many words) is to love
God and to love your neighbor as yourself. Everything else is words for the weak-minded who don't have the intellect to understand what God wants. When Jesus spoke about dying for our sins, he was talking about God's love for us. If he had any idea morons would exist who would focus upon this rather than upon showing love for God and love for neighbor, well, He is vomiting in Heaven at this moment.

RULES -- show me even one verse where Jesus said certain rules apply above the Great Commandment, explicitly. Show me even one hint of an example where he engaged with a person and called them sinful before he healed them of their sin and helped them deal with the troubles in their lives. You will not find Jesus EVER spoke to a person about their sin or about how to get into heaven, when he was dealing with a person with real-life needs, before he took care of their needs. Not once. Ever. So what makes you think that you can talk about someone's sins before you personally heal them of their sin before judging them and preaching to them about all sorts of theoreticals without solving their life problems. What makes you more grandiose in your approach than how Jesus acted? Hypocritical snakes like the Pharisees, sitting back in the comfort of your knowledge of the scriptures and self-righteously quoting scripture about other peoples's sin, but not doing one iota to engage one of these persons out of love, correcting the problems in their lives no matter what it takes YOU, and then talking to them about God. Hell NO, you are going to preach about how bad other people are, and what they need to do to be saved, and make excuses about why you will not do what Jesus said quite simply needed to be done.
 
Every christian believes in hell....(Unless they are reading the Reader's Digest instead of the Bible)
I am a Christian. I believe in Hell because I have personally seen it in Hitler's death camps. I have personally talked with people who put infants of Jews to death by letting them starve in "hospitals". I have talked to women whose babies inside their wombs were kicked to death by anti-abortion protestors outside Planned Parenthood clinics, when they were going there for prenatal care and not abortions. i have seen protestors outside prisons asking for the death sentence for those already declared innocent but not yet released from prison by DNA evidence. All of these folks quoted scriptures, including words of Jesus, for these acts. This is hell on earth, we
have already seen it and tried to ignore it, while stating Biblical verses and platitiudes so we don't have to do anything about it. Some of my so-called Christian friends even imagine Jesus in an F117 stealty bomber, destroying hospitals with terrorists in them, saying it was God's plan that these civilian Muslims died because they didn't believe in Jesus.

These things are, in fact, hell on earth, inflicted by people who call themselves Christians. Not once, EVER, did Jesus use your ltype of anguage against a sinner UNTIL he had healed them or solved their life crisis. Only then did he admonish them to sin no more, but5 not with the negative and rejecting language I see here in this holier-than-thou follow-the-rules-of-0so0me-theologian I see here. For people he hadn't yet personally met, his most common statement in one way or another was "judge not". Not one of these hellish situations exist if every so0called Christian took actions out of love for neighbor to correct whatever horrors or quandries these people find themselves in. When's the last time you offered to give your lunch every day for however long it took, so that a pregnant mother had adequate food so that she didn't feel the need to abort the baby she knew would be disabled because she didhn't have proper nutrition? Drug use? What have you done to do whatever was necessary to get them not addicted and thurn their life around? Oh, I see, too inconvenient, blame it on them, tell them they need to be saved while they are in a drug stupor. Makes you feel good that you said this real aggressively, too, I imagine, to get some of the judgemental hatred off your mind. Convince yourself that this is exactly what Jesus meant about showing love for your neighbors. Don't forget to find the verse where Jesis said this will be easy and without sacrifice on YOUR part (haha, you'll nothing Jesus said except it will be hard on YOUR part, the disadvantaged have no obligation to make it easy for you.)

To talk to someone about their sinful ways before helping them out of whatever sinful situation they are in, is harmful because it demeans the person without offering God's grace first as a way out. Doing what we know is harmful is hardly showing love for neighbor. Sure you can point to isolated verses out of context that can refute my statement. But you can't find any verse, even out of contxt, where Jeses spoke to a person in need about not sinning, or listening to God, or whatever, until he had fixed their situation first. Does this give you a clue about your Bible quotiong malicious holier-than-thou self-righteious excuses for not actually doing anything in pesonal interaction with one of the "sinners" you speak about? You are the empty clanging of bells Paul speaks about in Corinthians 13 about love. Your words and quotations of scriptures are worse than useless.

I discovred last week that Jesus has a nice red pickup, but he doesn't know how to drive it. My father was driving me somewhere, and this really nice honker of a red pickup truck cut right in front of it and my dad had to slam on the brakes. Dad say, "Jesus Christ, learn how to drive!" That about the level of scripture quoting Christians are at, they shoot out Bible verses as expletives for those they don't like, doing nothing to correct those people's actual lives.
 
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20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
Wouldn't that imply that the whole getting and being "saved" thing is man made doctrine?
It tells me we know right from wrong just by observing nature.
There's no way someone born before Jesus in some remote village
would know about the Hebrew God and the scarlet thread of redemption.
Am I supposed to believe someone born in China in 500 AD figured out there was a Jesus just by observing nature?
Where is the counting the cost?
Where does taste and see that the Lord is good fit in?
 
Is it safe to assume that you do MelodyC?

What is the just punishment for sin?

Let's have some Context to that remark shall we?

Originally Posted by Strangederby
No I don't believe in hell. If hell exsited and people were tortured for eternity then that would make me more moral than the creator of the universe. I mean I wouldnt want to allow someone to be tortured for a second let alone millions of people for eternity.

So I guess if you believe god exists and that he is evil then the concept of hell as a place of torture makes sense.

Then I made my reply which began with....

You obviously do not know who God is and the concept of His judgement nor do you understand what morality is either.

I do not claim to be more moral than God, I have not put myself above God but this Member did. You don't seem to have a problem with that do you? Because you have singled out me are you going to do the same with Strangederby? Won't happen because your problem is not with my comment here but that I accept that God will punish people with Everlasting Contempt (or Destruction or Torment or Punishment).

God is the one who Created us all and He has the Right to do with us what He wills. Our God fortunately is Righteous and Just.

So if God decides to judge and punish mankind in anyway He is not tainted with Sin nor Wickedness. God is moral even if he punishes mankind because it is His Universe and His Holiness and His Justice. We are His creation and the morality I know of is given to me in God's Word.

I don't mind your being offended. However I note you have no problem with someone else saying they are more Moral than God only me.

I do get a bit overly upset when someone dares to say they are more Moral than God. Yep and may be I have replied a might harshly for that I apologise.
 
Let's have some Context to that remark shall we?



Then I made my reply which began with....



I do not claim to be more moral than God, I have not put myself above God but this Member did. You don't seem to have a problem with that do you? Because you have singled out me are you going to do the same with Strangederby? Won't happen because your problem is not with my comment here but that I accept that God will punish people with Everlasting Contempt (or Destruction or Torment or Punishment).

God is the one who Created us all and He has the Right to do with us what He wills. Our God fortunately is Righteous and Just.

So if God decides to judge and punish mankind in anyway He is not tainted with Sin nor Wickedness. God is moral even if he punishes mankind because it is His Universe and His Holiness and His Justice. We are His creation and the morality I know of is given to me in God's Word.

I don't mind your being offended. However I note you have no problem with someone else saying they are more Moral than God only me.

I do get a bit overly upset when someone dares to say they are more Moral than God. Yep and may be I have replied a might harshly for that I apologise.

You are focussing upon the kind of out-of-context trivia that Jesus said the law-abiding Pharisees were focussed upon, and they would never see the Kingdom of God either on earth nor in the afterlife. Jesus said that once you are perfect in loving God and your neighbor as yourself, then, and only then, can you make any statement judging others and how God will treat him. (Since you like to quote specific verses, you can certainly find these verses yourself.) If you had even the smallest clue about what Jesus said summarized His teachings and all of scripture, you would not have said a single word you have posted. I prayerfully hope you are simply mindlessly parroting what you have been falsely taught, because nothing you have said even remotely resembles what Jesus said, in context.
 
You are focussing upon the kind of out-of-context trivia that Jesus said the law-abiding Pharisees were focussed upon, and they would never see the Kingdom of God either on earth nor in the afterlife. Jesus said that once you are perfect in loving God and your neighbor as yourself, then, and only then, can you make any statement judging others and how God will treat him. (Since you like to quote specific verses, you can certainly find these verses yourself.) If you had even the smallest clue about what Jesus said summarized His teachings and all of scripture, you would not have said a single word you have posted. I prayerfully hope you are simply mindlessly parroting what you have been falsely taught, because nothing you have said even remotely resembles what Jesus said, in context.

Thank you brother (or are you are sister?) for your correction. I will certainly give what you said some thought.

Please do pray for me because I do treasure the prayer of other my brothers and sisters in Christ.
 
Thank you brother (or are you are sister?) for your correction. I will certainly give what you said some thought.

Please do pray for me because I do treasure the prayer of other my brothers and sisters in Christ.

I apologize for overly harsh words, when I read what I posted it sounds quite intolerant, and I wish I had used different words.

Jesus spoke of the Great Commandments (Love God, love your neighbor as yourself) as the summary of scripture and of his message, and Paul wrote of this also. Therefore, anything Jesus said elsewhere about specific things must be placed within context of the Great Commandments. The one thing my very wise father said to me most often, when I said something about another person, was "Judge not". I used poor language when trying to make my point, I did not mean to be judgemental.

You, of course, have my prayers, and I appreciate yours.
 
Let's have some Context to that remark shall we?



Then I made my reply which began with....



I do not claim to be more moral than God, I have not put myself above God but this Member did. You don't seem to have a problem with that do you? Because you have singled out me are you going to do the same with Strangederby? Won't happen because your problem is not with my comment here but that I accept that God will punish people with Everlasting Contempt (or Destruction or Torment or Punishment).

God is the one who Created us all and He has the Right to do with us what He wills. Our God fortunately is Righteous and Just.

So if God decides to judge and punish mankind in anyway He is not tainted with Sin nor Wickedness. God is moral even if he punishes mankind because it is His Universe and His Holiness and His Justice. We are His creation and the morality I know of is given to me in God's Word.

I don't mind your being offended. However I note you have no problem with someone else saying they are more Moral than God only me.

I do get a bit overly upset when someone dares to say they are more Moral than God. Yep and may be I have replied a might harshly for that I apologise.

I'm not offended in the least, I simply asked a question.
I agree that God is just and righteous, but many are confused about Godly justice and righteousness. Your not under any obligation to answer my question of course, just curious of your opinion.
 
You are very funny,THE TOPIC IS ,IS HELL REAL? hell is not here on earth,earth is our play ground.our place of struggle,our noble price is either heaven or hell. our journey here on earth is just like a pilgrimage,when pharaoh asked Jacob in genesis 47:9 how old are you? he answered saying,the years of my pilgrimage are one hundred and thirty years,these alone who make you understand that here on earth we are on a journey,and after that we have a permanent place which is either heaven or hell.
 
You are very funny,THE TOPIC IS ,IS HELL REAL? hell is not here on earth,earth is our play ground.our place of struggle,our noble price is either heaven or hell. our journey here on earth is just like a pilgrimage,when pharaoh asked Jacob in genesis 47:9 how old are you? he answered saying,the years of my pilgrimage are one hundred and thirty years,these alone who make you understand that here on earth we are on a journey,and after that we have a permanent place which is either heaven or hell.

Well it's debatable. I believe that earth is just a battleground where God fights for our safety, and Satan fights for our downfall. To God we are hiss children, to Satan we are just tools. So yes I believe that there is a place called hell. I also believe that hell exists on this earth as well. So does heaven. For example, mass genocide and persecution = hellish experiences. Therefor hell is on earth. Miracles, Grace, and Faith are obviously Gods works on this earth. So Heaven is here. It doesn't mean that its the actual place. It just means that influences from both locations co-exist on earth. Earth is just stuck in between the battle.
 
Well it's debatable. I believe that earth is just a battleground where God fights for our safety, and Satan fights for our downfall. To God we are hiss children, to Satan we are just tools. So yes I believe that there is a place called hell. I also believe that hell exists on this earth as well. So does heaven. For example, mass genocide and persecution = hellish experiences. Therefor hell is on earth. Miracles, Grace, and Faith are obviously Gods works on this earth. So Heaven is here. It doesn't mean that its the actual place. It just means that influences from both locations co-exist on earth. Earth is just stuck in between the battle.

A ludicrous concept. Where is the evidence that Satan is an equal force to God? That means that there are 2 equal Gods and we have to choose between the 2 of them. I believe there is only one God. Point to a single verse in the Bible where Satan is specifically said to have equal power with God.
 
If i may ask, do you believe that christ exist? if so, when he said, am going to prepare a place for you,for in my fathers house,there are many mansion, he was going to a place,he was leaving the earth, again Elijah went up to heaven fully bodied,he left earth and went to heaven. remember the story of lazarus and the rich man. about the genocide and all manner of evil comes to people who do not have the fear of God,if you can wake them and they tell you there stories, you will understand. and if a rightous man is among them, that was killed it is theamed a happy ending cos he is going to a better place.God has promised us his angels to watch over us day and night lest we struck our feet, so if i believe this,i will fear no evil,genocide and all.
 
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