NO, men teach the boys and women teach the girls.
The men are taught by a man, and the women are taught by a woman. No exceptions.
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SignUp Now!NO, men teach the boys and women teach the girls.
Wow how restricted is that. What about a women out and about in the word shopping or over at a neighbors house does she have wait until there is a man there before proclaiming the Gospel?NO, men teach the boys and women teach the girls.
Wow how restricted is that. What about a women out and about in the word shopping or over at a neighbors house does she have wait until there is a man there before proclaiming the Gospel?
Church procedures, Curtis, surly you can understand this. Paul was very serious about the Church order and procedures.
It falls in line with "let all things be done decently and in order," as Paul said.
I believe God is just fine with a woman having authority/position over a man in the secular workplace, but not in the Church.
What about this scripture?The Church is to be separate from the world, a place where things are done according to God's will not man's will.
It's a place of proper order among mankind showing respect to the Almighty God.
It's not a place where you show up in shorts and a t-shirt. It's where you go to honor your God in humility and respect.
"Another translation..." there lies the problem.Another translation (Williams) says it like this.....
1Ti 2:11 A married woman must learn in quiet and in perfect submission.
1Ti 2:12 I do not permit a married woman to practice teaching or domineering over a husband; she must keep quiet.
What about this scripture?
Jas 2:1 My dear brothers and sisters, how can you claim to have faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ if you favor some people over others?
Jas 2:2 For example, suppose someone comes into your meeting dressed in fancy clothes and expensive jewelry, and another comes in who is poor and dressed in dirty clothes.
Jas 2:3 If you give special attention and a good seat to the rich person, but you say to the poor one, “You can stand over there, or else sit on the floor”—well,
Jas 2:4 doesn’t this discrimination show that your judgments are guided by evil motives?
Did you know that the first ones to preach the good news were women? "He is risen!!"
Can't have women without "men".Yes most definitely .
AMen.
1Co 14:34 Let married women be silent in the Churches, for they are not permitted to speak. They must be content with a subordinate place, as the Law also says;
1Co 14:34 Let the wives be quiet in the assemblies, for it has not been permitted for them to be talking except in submission, as the law also says,I am curious what translation this is, none of my 21 versions say "married".
1 Corinthians 14:34
(AMPC) The women should keep quiet in the churches, for they are not authorized to speak, but should take a secondary and subordinate place, just as the Law also says. [Gen_3:16]
(AMPC+) The women should keep quiet in the churches, for they are not authorized to speak, but should take a secondary and subordinate place, just as the Law also says. [Gen_3:16]
(ASV) let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law.
(BSB) Women are to be silent in the churches. They are not permitted to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.
(CSB) the women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but are to submit themselves, as the law also says.
(ESV) the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says.
(ESV+) R26the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but R1should be in submission, as R2the Law also says.
(Greek NT BYZ+) αιG3588 T-NPF γυναικεςG1135 N-NPF υμωνG4771 P-2GP ενG1722 PREP ταιςG3588 T-DPF εκκλησιαιςG1577 N-DPF σιγατωσανG4601 V-PAM-3P ουG3756 PRT-N γαρG1063 CONJ επιτετραπταιG2010 V-RPI-3S αυταιςG846 P-DPF λαλεινG2980 V-PAN αλλG235 CONJ υποτασσεσθαιG5293 V-PMN καθωςG2531 ADV καιG2532 CONJ οG3588 T-NSM νομοςG3551 N-NSM λεγειG3004 V-PAI-3S
(HCSB) the women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but should be submissive, as the law also says.
(ISV) the women must keep silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak out, but must place themselves in submission, as the oral law also says.
(KJV) Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
(KJV+) Let yourG5216 womenG1135 keep silenceG4601 inG1722 theG3588 churches:G1577 forG1063 it is notG3756 permittedG2010 unto themG846 to speak;G2980 butG235 they are commanded to be under obedience,G5293 asG2531 alsoG2532 saithG3004 theG3588 law.G3551
(MKJV) Let your women be silent in the churches; for it is not permitted to them to speak, but to be in subjection, as the Law also says.
(NAS77) Let the women keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but let them subject themselves, just as the Law also says.
(NAS95) The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says.
(NAS95+) The womenG1135 are to R1keepG4601 silentG4601 in the churchesG1577; for they are not permittedG2010 to speakG2980, but R2are to subjectG5293 themselves, justG2531a as R3the LawG3551 alsoG2532 saysG3004.
(NIrV) women should remain silent in the meetings. They are not allowed to speak. They must follow the lead of those who are in authority, as the Law says.
(NIV) Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.
(NKJV) Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.
(NLT) Women should be silent during the church meetings. It is not proper for them to speak. They should be submissive, just as the law says.
(RV) Let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law.
I have a couple versions of the orginal Greek, both the Byzantine and the Alexandrian, none of them have the Greek word for "married" in this verse.
G1060
γαμέω
gameō
gam-eh'-o
From G1062; to wed (of either sex): - marry (a wife).
Total KJV occurrences: 29
This is the word used for "married" in Matt 22:25; Matt 22:28; Mark 6:17; Mark 12:21; Mark 12:23; Luke 14:20; Luke 20:31; Rom 7:2; 1Cor 7:10; and 1Tim 5:11;
.. but not in 1Cor 14:34.
1 Cor14:34 Let the wives keep silence in the assemblies; for it is not permitted them to speak, but let them be in subjection, as also says the law.I am curious what translation this is, none of my 21 versions say "married".
1 Corinthians 14:34
(AMPC) The women should keep quiet in the churches, for they are not authorized to speak, but should take a secondary and subordinate place, just as the Law also says. [Gen_3:16]
(AMPC+) The women should keep quiet in the churches, for they are not authorized to speak, but should take a secondary and subordinate place, just as the Law also says. [Gen_3:16]
(ASV) let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law.
(BSB) Women are to be silent in the churches. They are not permitted to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.
(CSB) the women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but are to submit themselves, as the law also says.
(ESV) the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says.
(ESV+) R26the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but R1should be in submission, as R2the Law also says.
(Greek NT BYZ+) αιG3588 T-NPF γυναικεςG1135 N-NPF υμωνG4771 P-2GP ενG1722 PREP ταιςG3588 T-DPF εκκλησιαιςG1577 N-DPF σιγατωσανG4601 V-PAM-3P ουG3756 PRT-N γαρG1063 CONJ επιτετραπταιG2010 V-RPI-3S αυταιςG846 P-DPF λαλεινG2980 V-PAN αλλG235 CONJ υποτασσεσθαιG5293 V-PMN καθωςG2531 ADV καιG2532 CONJ οG3588 T-NSM νομοςG3551 N-NSM λεγειG3004 V-PAI-3S
(HCSB) the women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but should be submissive, as the law also says.
(ISV) the women must keep silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak out, but must place themselves in submission, as the oral law also says.
(KJV) Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
(KJV+) Let yourG5216 womenG1135 keep silenceG4601 inG1722 theG3588 churches:G1577 forG1063 it is notG3756 permittedG2010 unto themG846 to speak;G2980 butG235 they are commanded to be under obedience,G5293 asG2531 alsoG2532 saithG3004 theG3588 law.G3551
(MKJV) Let your women be silent in the churches; for it is not permitted to them to speak, but to be in subjection, as the Law also says.
(NAS77) Let the women keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but let them subject themselves, just as the Law also says.
(NAS95) The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says.
(NAS95+) The womenG1135 are to R1keepG4601 silentG4601 in the churchesG1577; for they are not permittedG2010 to speakG2980, but R2are to subjectG5293 themselves, justG2531a as R3the LawG3551 alsoG2532 saysG3004.
(NIrV) women should remain silent in the meetings. They are not allowed to speak. They must follow the lead of those who are in authority, as the Law says.
(NIV) Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.
(NKJV) Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.
(NLT) Women should be silent during the church meetings. It is not proper for them to speak. They should be submissive, just as the law says.
(RV) Let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law.
I have a couple versions of the orginal Greek, both the Byzantine and the Alexandrian, none of them have the Greek word for "married" in this verse.
G1060
γαμέω
gameō
gam-eh'-o
From G1062; to wed (of either sex): - marry (a wife).
Total KJV occurrences: 29
This is the word used for "married" in Matt 22:25; Matt 22:28; Mark 6:17; Mark 12:21; Mark 12:23; Luke 14:20; Luke 20:31; Rom 7:2; 1Cor 7:10; and 1Tim 5:11;
.. but not in 1Cor 14:34.
1Ti 2:12 I do not permit a married woman to practice teaching or domineering over a husband; she must keep quiet. (Williams)
1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.So are you saying Paul meant that a married woman can't teach or have authority over her husband, but a single woman can?
1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
The head of every woman is her husband. I am responsible for my family as its head, God will hold me accountible as was Adam for his wife Eve. But, I am not the head of all other women. I have learned a lot spiritual things from women teachers in my life in the last almost 50 years. A dominating wife over her husband is not in line with God’s ,s plan for a married couple. This does not mean a husband can not learn from his wife especially if her husband is a unbeliever. The wife is suppose to submit to her husband, but it is also true that the whole Church is suppose to submit to one another.
There many women prophets in scripture and they can and often do prophecy in a Church setting to both men, and women.
Paul told Timothy he was reminded that his Grandmother and mother first had the faith and now that same faith was in him.
Timothy was taught the Holy scriptures from both his Grandmother, mother.
All of that is true! Paul is speaking of the formal setting in the Church.
No women teachers in authority over a man in the Church office appointments.
It's very simple. Some will twist it but it's plain to see what he meant.
1. We know this is a hot topic. People who are more afraid of the world than God will argue for "female teachers" in the church.I am curious what translation this is, none of my 21 versions say "married".
1 Corinthians 14:34
(AMPC) The women should keep quiet in the churches, for they are not authorized to speak, but should take a secondary and subordinate place, just as the Law also says. [Gen_3:16]
(AMPC+) The women should keep quiet in the churches, for they are not authorized to speak, but should take a secondary and subordinate place, just as the Law also says. [Gen_3:16]
(ASV) let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law.
(BSB) Women are to be silent in the churches. They are not permitted to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.
(CSB) the women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but are to submit themselves, as the law also says.
(ESV) the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says.
(ESV+) R26the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but R1should be in submission, as R2the Law also says.
(Greek NT BYZ+) αιG3588 T-NPF γυναικεςG1135 N-NPF υμωνG4771 P-2GP ενG1722 PREP ταιςG3588 T-DPF εκκλησιαιςG1577 N-DPF σιγατωσανG4601 V-PAM-3P ουG3756 PRT-N γαρG1063 CONJ επιτετραπταιG2010 V-RPI-3S αυταιςG846 P-DPF λαλεινG2980 V-PAN αλλG235 CONJ υποτασσεσθαιG5293 V-PMN καθωςG2531 ADV καιG2532 CONJ οG3588 T-NSM νομοςG3551 N-NSM λεγειG3004 V-PAI-3S
(HCSB) the women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but should be submissive, as the law also says.
(ISV) the women must keep silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak out, but must place themselves in submission, as the oral law also says.
(KJV) Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
(KJV+) Let yourG5216 womenG1135 keep silenceG4601 inG1722 theG3588 churches:G1577 forG1063 it is notG3756 permittedG2010 unto themG846 to speak;G2980 butG235 they are commanded to be under obedience,G5293 asG2531 alsoG2532 saithG3004 theG3588 law.G3551
(MKJV) Let your women be silent in the churches; for it is not permitted to them to speak, but to be in subjection, as the Law also says.
(NAS77) Let the women keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but let them subject themselves, just as the Law also says.
(NAS95) The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says.
(NAS95+) The womenG1135 are to R1keepG4601 silentG4601 in the churchesG1577; for they are not permittedG2010 to speakG2980, but R2are to subjectG5293 themselves, justG2531a as R3the LawG3551 alsoG2532 saysG3004.
(NIrV) women should remain silent in the meetings. They are not allowed to speak. They must follow the lead of those who are in authority, as the Law says.
(NIV) Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.
(NKJV) Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.
(NLT) Women should be silent during the church meetings. It is not proper for them to speak. They should be submissive, just as the law says.
(RV) Let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law.
I have a couple versions of the orginal Greek, both the Byzantine and the Alexandrian, none of them have the Greek word for "married" in this verse.
G1060
γαμέω
gameō
gam-eh'-o
From G1062; to wed (of either sex): - marry (a wife).
Total KJV occurrences: 29
This is the word used for "married" in Matt 22:25; Matt 22:28; Mark 6:17; Mark 12:21; Mark 12:23; Luke 14:20; Luke 20:31; Rom 7:2; 1Cor 7:10; and 1Tim 5:11;
.. but not in 1Cor 14:34.
LOL Not many single women have husbands. Just so you knowSo are you saying Paul meant that a married woman can't teach or have authority over her husband, but a single woman can?
I am curious what translation this is, none of my 21 versions say "married".
1 Corinthians 14:34
(AMPC) The women should keep quiet in the churches, for they are not authorized to speak, but should take a secondary and subordinate place, just as the Law also says. [Gen_3:16]
(AMPC+) The women should keep quiet in the churches, for they are not authorized to speak, but should take a secondary and subordinate place, just as the Law also says. [Gen_3:16]
(ASV) let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law.
(BSB) Women are to be silent in the churches. They are not permitted to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.
(CSB) the women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but are to submit themselves, as the law also says.
(ESV) the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says.
(ESV+) R26the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but R1should be in submission, as R2the Law also says.
(Greek NT BYZ+) αιG3588 T-NPF γυναικεςG1135 N-NPF υμωνG4771 P-2GP ενG1722 PREP ταιςG3588 T-DPF εκκλησιαιςG1577 N-DPF σιγατωσανG4601 V-PAM-3P ουG3756 PRT-N γαρG1063 CONJ επιτετραπταιG2010 V-RPI-3S αυταιςG846 P-DPF λαλεινG2980 V-PAN αλλG235 CONJ υποτασσεσθαιG5293 V-PMN καθωςG2531 ADV καιG2532 CONJ οG3588 T-NSM νομοςG3551 N-NSM λεγειG3004 V-PAI-3S
(HCSB) the women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but should be submissive, as the law also says.
(ISV) the women must keep silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak out, but must place themselves in submission, as the oral law also says.
(KJV) Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
(KJV+) Let yourG5216 womenG1135 keep silenceG4601 inG1722 theG3588 churches:G1577 forG1063 it is notG3756 permittedG2010 unto themG846 to speak;G2980 butG235 they are commanded to be under obedience,G5293 asG2531 alsoG2532 saithG3004 theG3588 law.G3551
(MKJV) Let your women be silent in the churches; for it is not permitted to them to speak, but to be in subjection, as the Law also says.
(NAS77) Let the women keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but let them subject themselves, just as the Law also says.
(NAS95) The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says.
(NAS95+) The womenG1135 are to R1keepG4601 silentG4601 in the churchesG1577; for they are not permittedG2010 to speakG2980, but R2are to subjectG5293 themselves, justG2531a as R3the LawG3551 alsoG2532 saysG3004.
(NIrV) women should remain silent in the meetings. They are not allowed to speak. They must follow the lead of those who are in authority, as the Law says.
(NIV) Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.
(NKJV) Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.
(NLT) Women should be silent during the church meetings. It is not proper for them to speak. They should be submissive, just as the law says.
(RV) Let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law.
I have a couple versions of the orginal Greek, both the Byzantine and the Alexandrian, none of them have the Greek word for "married" in this verse.
G1060
γαμέω
gameō
gam-eh'-o
From G1062; to wed (of either sex): - marry (a wife).
Total KJV occurrences: 29
This is the word used for "married" in Matt 22:25; Matt 22:28; Mark 6:17; Mark 12:21; Mark 12:23; Luke 14:20; Luke 20:31; Rom 7:2; 1Cor 7:10; and 1Tim 5:11;
.. but not in 1Cor 14:34.