Emotions

[Fragrant Grace]

Please stay on topic

 

[regibassman57]

@Hiswillbedine,

As you hinted at, it is the progress God is looking for, not justification for sinning on the basis of "we won't be able to attain perfection."
In peace

Do you agree with this verse that Jesus spoke?

Matthew 13:23
But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

 

[regibassman57]

@Fragrant Grace,
There are so much that stems from emotions and one of them is character flaws. If we get off track please continue to reign us back in -thank you.

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Perhaps re-read the original post @regibassman57

Thank you

 

[Hiswillbedone]

@Hiswillbedine,


No... I'm not hiding anything, I'm as open as Christ sees me, not hiding anything. Thanks for your agreement. It's of course a positive thing to be on the same page, this is what Christ desires from us, but it takes reasoning His word.

But, the scripture I used in my last post - Matthews 7:18, you agreed with, but then you said - "I also agree that we ALL struggle with pride on this forum, and in the world. It is a part of sin'"

This to me presents a contradiction on your part. You agreed with Matthew 7:18, but then spoke contrary to it?

This scripture tells me - evil fruit is "sin" good fruit is "righteousness." A good tree "CANNOT" bring forth evil (sin) fruit, and a corrupt tree, cannot bring forth good fruit. When you were a sinner you could not do "anything" righteous. Now that you are righteous, you cannot sin. You are "free" from something on either side your on. You cannot be on both sides. You cannot serve two masters.

Romans 6:18
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Romans 6:20
For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

If you give to the poor because they don't have, Jesus said you did it unto Him.
When you visited a person in jail, you did it unto Jesus etc. All that you did is considered righteosness in God's eyes. Does God see the sinner/unbeliever as doing righteous acts when they do the same? No... We know that unbeliever do the exact same things; are their acts righteous? So why would you say you sin if God is not saying you sin? God is not imputing sin unto you.

2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

I think what you are sharing now is proving my point about religious pride being prevalent in people.

I don't believe I contradicted myself, because the reality is we all fall short to the glory of God. Anyone who says they don't sin are a liar. This is what you are implying.

Please understand, I am not saying this to justify people for sinning. No, not at all! Rather we also have to look at experience and recognize that we all do sin, everyday. Some more than others. But we all do it. I would encourage you to think about this and ask yourself if you have sinned since coming to Jesus. This would help you to see my point more clearly.

I agree we shouldn't serve sin. We only have one master. But the verse you are referencing is Matthew 6:24. It doesn't say sin, rather it says mammon. Therefore, if you want to apply that scripture into the right context, then anyone who is serving money (or works for it at a paid job) is not serving God. Remember, we can't serve both, right?

Now before you go on and say that we need to work (sorry if you weren't and I am making this assumption), judge your thoughts and remember what comes to mind when you hear the teachings of not working for money. As you remember these thoughts, continue reading Matthew 6 all the way to the end. Notice how Jesus answered all the worries that come to mind... Isn't that amazing?

In peace

 

[Hiswillbedone]

@Hiswillbedine,


Do you agree with this verse that Jesus spoke?

Matthew 13:23
But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

yes I do.

 

[regibassman57]

@Hiswillbedobe,
But I can say it's not about "pride." I'm open to correction but the scriptures you use must cancel out the principle scriptures I use. If your scriptures do not cancel and nullify the scriptures I've presented, you haven't proven your point. That's not pride.

If a person gets angry with another person telling them their wrong, that's pride. I don't mind saying this again... I've been corrected on this forum and I admitted my errors. If a person scripturally proves me wrong I will admit my errors again. We are on the Internet, I don't know anyone here so I can't lose face.

 

[regibassman57]

@Hekuran,

Shocked and so sorry to read this. Of course God is emotional too, and weeps when we weep.


With my prayers

Does the below definitions define God’s character of mind or man's? Also, does scripture teach God is “troubled” behind different situations that occur in life and His mind becomes agitate through Him losing His peace?

Emotion

EMO'TION, noun [Latin emotio; emoveo, to move from.]

1. Literally, a moving of the mind or soul; hence, any agitation of mind or excitement of sensibility.

2. In a philosophical sense, an internal motion or agitation of the mind which passes away without desire; when desire follows, the motion or agitation is called a passion.

Scripture teaches us that God said do not let your hearts be trouble; is God’s heart troubled about anything?

Joh 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world gives, give I unto you. Let not your heart be “troubled,” neither let it be afraid.



G5015 (troubled)

tarassō

Of uncertain affinity; to stir or “agitate” (roil water): - trouble.

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Our emotions are a beautiful gift from the Lord that enrich our lives.
We should embrace our emotions and allow the Lord to shine through us as we experience His love, joy and peace.

Stifling the emotions or denying them is psychologically damaging.

 

[Sue D.]

@ Frangrant Grace -- absolutely agree.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

Question: did Jesus create man with these unpredictable emotions?

I believe man was created originally with self control before the fall of man. So sin can taint emotions and make us vulnerable when we can lose self control due to runaway emotions.

 

[regibassman57]

@JesusIs4Me,

I believe man was created originally with self control before the fall of man. So sin can taint emotions and make us vulnerable when we can lose self control due to runaway emotions.

First, there is no where in scripture that teaches that God created man with emotions. We are taught that emotions are agitative and troubling. Scripture teaches God did not created man to be troubled or agitated. God created man to have nothing but peace. Satan was not in man until Adam sinned.

 

[Christ4Ever]

All I can say concerning Emotions.......well not "all", but I hope the point is made.

To every [thing there is] a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up [that which is] planted; A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace. Eccleciastes 3:1-8

Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep. Romans 12:15

Jesus wept. John 11:35

Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Proverbs 3:5-6

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

The bottom line is we are not to be controlled or moved by our emotions. We are not to make decisions by our emotions.

We are to be Spirit Led.

Emotions play on our human nature. Emotions can stop your faith. Emotions can give us a false feeling of Spiritual Growth.

We walk by Faith and Not Feelings and Emotions.

It has been said that grieving is good. Maybe for a minute. Grieving if not dealt with will destroy one.

Not all emotions are Godly or beneficial for us.
Emotions are to be kept under our control.

It was also said in this thread that subduing or pushing back ones emotions is not healthy. That would be a huge mistake.

We are to deal with our emotions and keep them under the submission of Faith and Gods Word.

Blessings

 

[JesusIs4Me]

@JesusIs4Me,


First, there is no where in scripture that teaches that God created man with emotions. We are taught that emotions are agitative and troubling. Scripture teaches God did not created man to be troubled or agitated. God created man to have nothing but peace. Satan was not in man until Adam sinned.

Not all emotions are negative and troubling. Love is not. Joy is not. If you think you can worship God without emotions.... then you must not be seeing all the scriptures I see. I would think the two below is enough, but you can go to that link at Bible Gateway to see all the verses about rejoicing God in worship which is hardly an act that can be done without emotion.

Verses for rejoice & Lord together

Psalm 28:7The Lord is my strength and my shield; my heart trusted in him, and I am helped: therefore my heart greatly rejoiceth; and with my song will I praise him.

Psalm 35:9And my soul shall be joyful in the Lord: it shall rejoice in his salvation.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Love is not. Joy is not.

Love and Joy
Real Love and Joy are Not Emotions.

God is Love......shall you make God a simple emotion?

Emotions are Feelings.
Neither Love nor Joy are a simple feeling.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

Love and Joy
Real Love and Joy are Not Emotions.

Explain why love and joy is a fruit of the Spirit then, as opposing hatred and malice which is a work of the flesh?

God is Love......shall you make God a simple emotion?

You did that. I didn't. God is also good. Am I making God a simple principle? No. What you and I are doing is describing Who God is by His attributes. That is not saying that is all there is to describing God.

Emotions are Feelings.
Neither Love nor Joy are a simple feeling.

When your baby is rescued, there is joy and love in you for that rescued baby whereof before there was helplessness and fear.

When you are saved by God, there is joy and love for the God that saved you. Try rejoicing in the Lord without love and joy, and explain how that is not worshiping Him in vain.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Explain why love and joy is a fruit of the Spirit then, as opposing hatred and malice which is a work of the flesh?

Fruit of the Spirit is not an emotion either.

Look Emotions are a bi product. Just as passion is a bi product. We can use different emotions from within Love.

We are Spirit, Soul and body.
Soul being mind, will and emotions.

Love is no more an emotion then Working Faith is without love.

Faith without Love is a dead faith. Its not Faith without emotion is dead. Don't confuse works with Love.

God is Love not God is an emotion.
We can show love in an emotion just as we can show fear and anger and joy and so forth.

Joy is not an emotion either.

Emotions are of the human nature.

 

[regibassman57]

@Christ4Ever,

All I can say concerning Emotions.......well not "all", but I hope the point is made.

To every [thing there is] a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up [that which is] planted; A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace. Eccleciastes 3:1-8

Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep. Romans 12:15

Jesus wept. John 11:35

Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Proverbs 3:5-6

Jesus wept because He had not taken the victory over the flesh until He went to the cross. Jesus came in the "likeness" of fallen man in sinful flesh that He could be tempted in all points as a man (Rom.8:3). Once Jesus went to the cross, He took the victory over the temptations of the physical body and gave believers power over emotions and all the power over anything contrary to peace by faith (Joh. 14:27). There is nothing greater than God's peace which He has given to believers.

Scripture teaches it was not God's purpose for man to know good and evil (good or evil emotions); in knowledge as well as in feelings. It was for man to know "Righteousness." God created man in perfect peace of Spirit. There is no where in scripture that teaches God gave man any type of emotions.

There is the love of the world and the love of the Spirit. There's the peace of the world and the peace of the Spirit. There is the Joy of the world and the Joy of the Spirit, etc. If a believer can show me in scripture where God created man with emotions I would appreciate it and learn from it. Good and evil emotions are based on the nature of good and evil; not Righteousness.

 

[regibassman57]

@JesusIs4Me,

Not all emotions are negative and troubling. Love is not. Joy is not. If you think you can worship God without emotions.... then you must not be seeing all the scriptures I see. I would think the two below is enough, but you can go to that link at Bible Gateway to see all the verses about rejoicing God in worship which is hardly an act that can be done without emotion.

Verses for rejoice & Lord together

Psalm 28:7The Lord is my strength and my shield; my heart trusted in him, and I am helped: therefore my heart greatly rejoiceth; and with my song will I praise him.

Psalm 35:9And my soul shall be joyful in the Lord: it shall rejoice in his salvation.

Your reasoning is not based on scriptures. In the beginning God did not create man with good and evil emotions. God commanded Adam not to eat of the knowledge of good or evil. People justify fear as good in certain situations; but we know God has not givbeam an the spirit of fear (2Ti. 1:7). If a person is anything other than peaceful in spirit, they are not in God's character of the fruit of the Spirit. Unbelievers do not have the character of the Fruit of the Spirit.

It is impossible for an unbeliever to have the spiritual character of Christ. Believers are commanded to put off the character of the old nature; which are emotional which tells us God is not justifying emotions (Eph. 4:22-24). All things in the character of a believer are new. Once again the just shall live by faith; by what God's word says. When we read the Fruit of the Spirit there is no emotional characteristics.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

The joy of the world is not the joy of the Spirit of God. Neither is there any other temporary character justified by God that is emotional. All emotions are agitative by definition.