Even greater 'gifts' today.

[Garee]

Thankyou for that.
Funny how one can read a verse without picking up the detail within - yes you are correct on this.
John 14:12 Amen, Amen, I say unto you, Who believeth unto me, the works that I do shall HE do also; and greater than these shall he do; because I go unto the Father. [NENT]
(YLT) 'Verily, verily, I say to you, he who is believing in me, the works that I do—that one also shall do, and greater than these he shall do, because I go on to my Father;

Yes Jesus did perform many wonderful miracles in his 3½ year ministry and promised that disciples would drink of living water and receive the promise of the Father with power.
The gospel of the NT is about miracles and the power of God and signs and wonders.
And this is Pentecostal faith and doctrine both in the beginning and in our times [the latter rain].
Throughout the Pentecostal Revivals of the early 1900s continuing through today millions of people have been blessed, converted, transformed, praying in tongues, healed and received the working of miracles.
Millions of testimonies to
Matthew 11:4 Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and show John again those things which ye do hear and see:
5 The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.
6 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.

God does no give a remnant of his Holy Spirit and command men to make baby noises to keep it full or top it off occasionally with a bump in the night . The false gospel of self edification .I did it it proves it.

Christians receive the fullness of the Holy from the beginning. (it does not leak out) Its not the gospel of wondering how much do I have? Do I have enough ? When will I know? Can I make a noise in private to top it off?

Have you looked to the law or foundation of tongues (Isaiah 28) which is revisited in 1 Corihtinans 14:21-22 as the testimony of the law.(yet for all that God has done they still make noise and fall backward) .

Is that the greater thing that Jesus spoke of ? The gospel of non-sense?

The Bible informs us if men do not speak according to the law or foundation of a matter and its revealed the testimony of faith then there is no light unto their path .

There is no path, make a sound like a baby clanging kettles and fall backward slain in the spirit , or make a noise and stand there (I did it it proves it )

Do you think mankind making a senseless noise and falling back is greater than the work of salvation ?

Note (people) unbelievers
Note . . .(beleivers) born again
Note . . (.Non sence) no faith or power according to the scriptures
Note . . (Tongues) .... prophecy power
Note ...(law ) not a wonder

The law of the Lord

Isiah 28: 9-11 The people say, “Who does he think he is trying to teach and explain his message to? Does he think we are babies who were at their mother’s breast only a very short time ago? He speaks to us as though we were babies:

“Saw lasaw saw lasaw
Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw
Ze’er sham ze’er sham.

So God will use this strange way of talking, and he will use other languages (prophecy) to speak to these people.

The testimony of law (Isaiah 28 )

1 Corinthians 14 :21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips (non Hebrew) will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

If you cannot see the sign is to the unbelieving Jew is against them And tongues is simply understandable prophecy . Then I would suggest keep wondering and be filled with it .

Spiritual gifts not seen yes ..

No such thing as a senseless outward sign gift (I did it ii proves it. I venerated my own self

 

[Garee]

Hitch said:

If you are one who believes the 'gifts' , healing , tongues etc operate today as in Apostolic times

That defines a false prophet wizardry man healing with corrupted hands as a will .

The Holy Spirit apart from mankind heals or empowers to raise from the dead with the unseen power of the gospel The gospel is the power of salivation is well as temporal healing's used to show the unseen power of God .

God is not served by human hands in any way shape or form

When mankind attributes the unseen work as power of Christ faith to the corrupted powerless hand of a apostle .they show thy have no faith coming from the gospel No magical wondering power

Making the apostles into gods a in the likeness of men I would think would be enough to keep a person hands of .. The laying on of hands a ceremonial law simply represent a form of prayer. God who is of one mind always does what so ever his soul desires .Again he is not served by wizards the priests of Jupiter,

Acts 14: 7 -15 And there they preached the gospel. And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked:The same heard Paul speak: (the words of the gospel ) who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked. And when the people (unbelievers) saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:

The gifts are not performed by literal hands of the apostles as if God was served by the hands of corrupted powerless mankind .

To begin with God is no longer adding to the witness of his His word .We have the perfect with no laws missing by which we could n known our God more intimately .He is not putting his written seal of approval on any wonder .Revelation is still the last chapter and Satan is still with all lying power deceiving fallen mankind

No such thing as Apostolic times or Apostolic succession . That is a oral tradition of those who serve a hierarchy form of Government .Lording it over the faith the non vereable .

They changed the meaning of the word sent one (apostle) to venerable ones a legion called patron saints the living communing with the dead ..

All prophets are apostles sent with the word of God .There are apostles here today .One is either a true apostle bringing the true gospel or a Christian is a false apostle as one that went out form us because they never walked by faith the unseen eternal power of God .. The first recorded apostle and martyr is Abel . John who was moved to pen revelation the last new .

 

[Hitch]

That defines a false prophet wizardry man healing with corrupted hands as a will .

The Holy Spirit apart from mankind heals or empowers to raise from the dead with the unseen power of the gospel The gospel is the power of salivation is well as temporal healing's used to show the unseen power of God .

God is not served by human hands in any way shape or form

When mankind attributes the unseen work as power of Christ faith to the corrupted powerless hand of a apostle .they show thy have no faith coming from the gospel No magical wondering power

Making the apostles into gods a in the likeness of men I would think would be enough to keep a person hands of .. The laying on of hands a ceremonial law simply represent a form of prayer. God who is of one mind always does what so ever his soul desires .Again he is not served by wizards the priests of Jupiter,

Acts 14: 7 -15 And there they preached the gospel. And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked:The same heard Paul speak: (the words of the gospel ) who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked. And when the people (unbelievers) saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:

The gifts are not performed by literal hands of the apostles as if God was served by the hands of corrupted powerless mankind .

To begin with God is no longer adding to the witness of his His word .We have the perfect with no laws missing by which we could n known our God more intimately .He is not putting his written seal of approval on any wonder .Revelation is still the last chapter and Satan is still with all lying power deceiving fallen mankind

No such thing as Apostolic times or Apostolic succession . That is a oral tradition of those who serve a hierarchy form of Government .Lording it over the faith the non vereable .

They changed the meaning of the word sent one (apostle) to venerable ones a legion called patron saints the living communing with the dead ..

All prophets are apostles sent with the word of God .There are apostles here today .One is either a true apostle bringing the true gospel or a Christian is a false apostle as one that went out form us because they never walked by faith the unseen eternal power of God .. The first recorded apostle and martyr is Abel . John who was moved to pen revelation the last new .

Huh?

 

[Garee]

It is time that you @Hitch believed Jesus himself -
Mark 16:15 And he said to them, Go into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation.
16 Who hath believed and is baptized shall be saved; but who hath disbelieved shall be condemned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that have believed: in my name shall they cast out demons, speak with tongues;
18 and in their hands they shall take up serpents, and if they drink aught deadly, it shall in now wise hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Your unbelief cuts you off from these works and power of the Holy Spirit in the body of Christ.

Really? What's the rate of Holy Spirit leakage . 2% per day .Does it very ? How much before a person runs out of power ?

What is the understanding of that parable you offered seeing without parables Christ spoke not hiding the unseen gospel understanding from sign and wonder seekers ? If you would literalize it then a person is dead .Many have tried to drink Poisson as in look at me . . I did it it proves it but they only proved they fell backward slain in the spirit of judgment .

 

[Waggles]

How much before a person runs out of power ?

Your ignorance of the gospel is profound and a shame for you ...
John 4:10 Jesus answered and said to her, If thou knew the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou would have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
Joh 4:11 She saith to him, Sir, thou hast no pail, and the well is deep: whence then hast thou the living water?
12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his sons, and his cattle?
13 Jesus answered and said her, Every one that drinks of this water shall thirst again:
14 but whoso drinks of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall become in him a spring of water leaping up unto eternal life.

 

[Hitch]

Your ignorance of the gospel is profound and a shame for you ...
John 4:10 Jesus answered and said to her, If thou knew the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou would have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
Joh 4:11 She saith to him, Sir, thou hast no pail, and the well is deep: whence then hast thou the living water?
12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his sons, and his cattle?
13 Jesus answered and said her, Every one that drinks of this water shall thirst again:
14 but whoso drinks of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall become in him a spring of water leaping up unto eternal life.

I'll bet its by accident but even dear old Wags places Zechariah into the first century.

 

[Rhema]

Will you provide me with some fortune ?

No. Not going down that rabbit hole.