Faith or works or both?

[B-A-C]

In other words brother, providing you don't choose to sin, you practice righteousness.

Practicing something, is something you do over and over and over again.
You practice medicine, you practice law, you practice your golf swing over and over to get better at it.

If you're doing the same sins over and over and over again without repenting, you haven't really repented.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Practicing something, is something you do over and over and over again.
You practice medicine, you practice law, you practice your golf swing over and over to get better at it.

If you're doing the same sins over and over and over again without repenting, you haven't really repented.

That is why we are to Practice Righteousness brother, practice over and over again so we continue to improve, we are to work towards the goal. We will never be totally perfect until we receive our Glorious bodies we are to Practice Righteousness to become more Righteous.

If we practice sin we will go down the wide road, we will drift with the tide, we will sin more.

Who we follow I feel defines what we practice.

Some do the same sin over and over again and repent over and over again, are they trying not to? Do they really want to stop that same old sin?

They call themselves sinners, their eye is on the wrong ball.

Bless you

 

[Bill]

Greetings Bill

When Jesus called Judas, Judas accepted that call, he was a loyal disciple at the beginning, temptation came later, which led to a greed for more money by betraying Jesus, but he failed in his negotiating and only got the price of a slave, 30 pieces of silver. Was Jesus betraying Jesus, yes he was, did he willing betray Jesus, I think not, it was the money Judas wanted, his greed was money, money had become His God. The devil had tempted Judas, and Judas has willingly allowed it. The devil only tempts us he does not make us do anything against our will, but he is cunning and tempts us knowing our weakness's.

So Judas had free will, we all do, but he was tempted and sinned, starting with temptation with the disciples money, then wanting more.

But Judas' fall was prophesies, this says that he didn't have free will.

Interesting situation, this is the core of what we are discussing. So would it be right to say, we have free, but are also responsible for our sins, our sins are our fall, and sin leads to death.

Another question here could be, were the disciples saved before Pentecost? As Jesus' disciples they were given power to cast out demons, we cannot cast out demons without the Holy Spirit.

What are your thoughts?

I still can't see how People can still talk about free will after reading what Paul said in Romans 7:7-25. Please someone explain to me, after reading that, how we can speak about free will? bless you Paul.

What i want to say , i can not say . You wont listen anyways.

Rev 11 : 6. As often as they like .

They dont need permission from God . They already have the authority

 

[Trevor]

What i want to say , i can not say . You wont listen anyways.

Rev 11 : 6. As often as they like .

They dont need permission from God . They already have the authority

Hi Bill, I'll listen to anything that is backed up by scripture, I'd be a fool not to. As for the two witnesses, they wouldn't be there unless they had been sent, and being sent, carries with it permission. bless you.

 

[Brother-Paul]

You are absolutely crazy if you believe God creates anyone to fall.

Satan, Judas, and everyone else in scripture .

Even if im given visions , i may see you at points in your life. But none is predetermined . You got there on your own free will.

Regarding your opening choice of words brother, I reply, peace be with you.

What I am saying is we do have free will, to choose to believe or not.

But what ever we choose God already knows, our name is either in the Book of Life and the Lamb or it isn't.

So we have free will to choose but God knew at the beginning whether it be a Yah or a Nah


Judas had a choice, he didn't have to allow himself to be tempted, first in dishonest use of money then betraying our Lord for 30 pieces of silver.

So Judas had a free will choice, but God knew from the beginning he would be a betrayer.


Peter had a free will choice when Jesus said, 'Follow me'. He also had a free will choice not to deny Jesus 3 times.
But God knew from the beginning he would do so.


We too have a free will choice in life, to accept Jesus or reject Him.
God knew from the beginning whether we would or not.

If Jesus said to you tonight, 'this night you will sin 3 times', you say no Lord maybe just once, who would be right?

God knows brother, we agree yes.

 

[Ivan Chamurliev]

I believe that if Judas character is placed in the Bible is to warn all of us, not to follow his steps. And if it was described in such a way his downfall is for a reason. Judas can live in each one of us. Obviously it was prophesied about someone going to betray Jesus and that was going to happen, but the same can occur with us, if we exchange Jesus with something else. ( I mean permanently ) We can also betray Jesus in a way. And it can happen and it happened in some of us. Let's hope we can have the same attitude as Peter who repented sincerely. There was a difference though between Peter's denying Jesus and Judas betrayal, but let us hope we can be like Peter and learn from our mistakes. I think the difference was that Peter denied Jesus in the spot, because of fear he was having at that moment, but in his heart, he wanted to follow Jesus. That's why I think he could repent.
Judas Instead premeditated the betrayal, he had it thinking over and over, he clearly knew what was he doing. That was the difference.
I believe anyway that each character in the Bible is there for a purpose to teach us and show us an example.

 

[Bill]

Regarding your opening choice of words brother, I reply, peace be with you.

What I am saying is we do have free will, to choose to believe or not.

But what ever we choose God already knows, our name is either in the Book of Life and the Lamb or it isn't.

So we have free will to choose but God knew at the beginning whether it be a Yah or a Nah


Judas had a choice, he didn't have to allow himself to be tempted, first in dishonest use of money then betraying our Lord for 30 pieces of silver.

So Judas had a free will choice, but God knew from the beginning he would be a betrayer.


Peter had a free will choice when Jesus said, 'Follow me'. He also had a free will choice not to deny Jesus 3 times.
But God knew from the beginning he would do so.


We too have a free will choice in life, to accept Jesus or reject Him.
God knew from the beginning whether we would or not.

If Jesus said to you tonight, 'this night you will sin 3 times', you say no Lord maybe just once, who would be right?

God knows brother, we agree yes.

Yes we agree . But those here that would take the stand that all is predetermined. That is just baloney .

Yes God knows our choices before we make them . If that is what those here want to stick to so be it .

I stand before the Father, it is my office. I am the advocate of those you deem as lost .

Christians in this age are so haughty in thier demeanor. Always looking at themselves high on the totem pole. They forget, they are sent to be the servants. Servants on bended knee looking up to God . Do Christians forget , Jesus became the servant of all . As am i .

The servant of the Most High

 

[Born Again 2004]

I tell you what is crazy..."to put limits on God"...He is Omnipresent , Omniscient and Omnipotent...we aren't!

 

[Brother-Paul]

I am and remain a humble servant, I know my place, it is on my knees, though I cannot get on my knees due to my disappointment ability I would never get up again. My heart does this for me.

It is good we can come together as the body of Christ on a forum but, what we type isn't always the way it is taken, then there is the other issue, I think, though all mean well some try preaching to the converted, without given a second thought to this fact. We are to encourage one a other in the Word and for many that is the intention, but not always.

There will always be frustrations, like these we have to learn to be compassionate, understanding and post in love

Shalom

 

[Born Again 2004]

One single solitary verse.....
John 14:15 “If you love me, you will keep my commands;

Conversely.....If you won't keep His commandments....you don't love Him?

The Word 'commandments' easily translates as "WORD"

I love that verse but a bit sceptical what it means to follow and who it is addressed to according to the belief of so many.
We (the saved) are not perfect but the command comes from a perfect being.
Surely, not being perfect as He, Jesus has no preconceptions about our keeping His commandments perfectly. The Word indicates that we are not called to perform all the statutes perfectly, in fact, Jesus upholds the criteria that if we fail on just one, we fail them all.
So, back to what does it mean to "follow"?
I think it means that it should,though some how to be measurable through words or actions how much we love His Commandments but, there should be no misconceptions that we do the commandments perfectly 24/7; we should love them and follow the best we can with out fear of condemnation.

 

[Dave M]

Like i said . One of the greatest challanges to come will be whether you take the mark of the beast or not .

so your saying you know when the mark of the beast is comming??

 

[Born Again 2004]

so your saying you know when the mark of the beast is comming??

Also, I probably will die first!

 

[Bill]

I am and remain a humble servant, I know my place, it is on my knees, though I cannot get on my knees due to my disappointment ability I would never get up again. My heart does this for me.

It is good we can come together as the body of Christ on a forum but, what we type isn't always the way it is taken, then there is the other issue, I think, though all mean well some try preaching to the converted, without given a second thought to this fact. We are to encourage one a other in the Word and for many that is the intention, but not always.

There will always be frustrations, like these we have to learn to be compassionate, understanding and post in love

Shalom

Indeed brother , indeed .

Please forgive my frustrations .

God knows of your physical malady , and He shows me your heart . The image i see is Gods hands and you are in His palms. He holds you dearly.

I do hear your words .

We Christians should use this experience , how to gather gather and worship Our Creator , Our Father . Because it is so near now . The Tribulation is nearly upon us, we are not ready as a whole .

I weep for so many .

The devils lies are preached , no one tests these Preachers with the Holy Spirit . Many who have the Gifts , dont know how to use them

It will be a rough road for all . But i am glad i will be here to share and help .

I would tell you brother . Who i am. But for you to believe what i say , it would change how you think now .

And the all who read would not believe , except 2 .

 

[Bill]

so your saying you know when the mark of the beast is comming??

I dont know the day or hour , but it is very close now .

The one worlders , those who think they control the world . Have seen this virus . Now they are like panting dogs , waiting to make something up and set fear into the whole world

 

[Dave M]

they got the fear going, they laying the foundation that is for sure

 

[Bill]

Also, I probably will die first!

You wont . You will live to see the antiChrist take power

 

[Bill]

they got the fear going, they laying the foundation that is for sure

This virus isnt thier doing , it came from God . And the 2 events to follow , they will be from God to

 

[Dave M]

the news media fear mongering is there doing, the conditioning of giving up freedom for safety is thier doing. But God is in control of everything and thats all that matters

 

[Bill]

I love that verse but a bit sceptical what it means to follow and who it is addressed to according to the belief of so many.
We (the saved) are not perfect but the command comes from a perfect being.
Surely, not being perfect as He, Jesus has no preconceptions about our keeping His commandments perfectly. The Word indicates that we are not called to perform all the statutes perfectly, in fact, Jesus upholds the criteria that if we fail on just one, we fail them all.
So, back to what does it mean to "follow"?
I think it means that it should,though some how to be measurable through words or actions how much we love His Commandments but, there should be no misconceptions that we do the commandments perfectly 24/7; we should love them and follow the best we can with out fear of condemnation.

If you do all in love , then any failures that come about are immediately forgiven . God is all about Love . Please make it the center of all you are.

 

[Bill]

the news media fear mongering is there doing, the conditioning of giving up freedom for safety is thier doing. But God is in control of everything and thats all that matters

; )