Faith or works or both?

[Samson2020]

No it doesn't. Being a sinner doesn't necessitate that one doesn't believe.

Thats not what I said. And this is really going nowhere so.....

 

[Trevor]

Or was he in the same state of mind as Peter or Satan as you believe? There is an obvious change in his attitude
towards his destination.

I never said I believed he was in the same mindset as Peter and Satan Samson. I believe that Satan knew that Jesus was about to make a sacrifice for the sins of the lost and he didn't want it to happen. Knowing that this was the hardest trial that Jesus was ever going to face, I believe he was giving it his last shot while Jesus was at his lowest ebb. And he was using Peter to do it, Jesus knew this, even though Peter didn't, and he spoke straight to Satan. Well that's my take on it. Bless you mate.

 

[Samson2020]

I never said I believed he was in the same mindset as Peter and Satan Samson. I believe that Satan knew that Jesus was about to make a sacrifice for the sins of the lost and he didn't want it to happen. Knowing that this was the hardest trial that Jesus was ever going to face, I believe he was giving it his last shot while Jesus was at his lowest ebb. And he was using Peter to do it, Jesus knew this, even though Peter didn't, and he spoke straight to Satan. Well that's my take on it. Bless you mate.

I said Peter OR Satan as you believe, not Peter and Satan.
Jesus was praying for the removal of his own cross in the garden which is what he had rebuked Peter for hrs earlier. I was addressing the fact that he Jesus
had what appears to be a change of mind between these two conversations as recorded, and why.

 

[Trevor]

No it doesn't. Being a sinner doesn't necessitate that one doesn't believe.

Hi Butch, before I met Jesus, I was neither a believer or an unbeliever, I didn't think about it. When I met Jesus he convinced me, because everything he said corresponded with what had always been in my heart, but society deemed it weakness, leaving me an outcast. It's society that is in unbelief.

 

[Trevor]

I said Peter OR Satan as you believe, not Peter and Satan.
Jesus was praying for the removal of his own cross in the garden which is what he had rebuked Peter for hrs earlier. I was addressing the fact that he Jesus
had what appears to be a change of mind between these two conversations as recorded, and why.

You don't have to get aeriated Samson, I believe Jesus said if you can take this burden from me, but not my will but yours. (that is a paraphrase) He was about to get whipped to the bone and stuck on a cross, I should imagine he would be somewhat reticent. but he was obedient to the last. bless you.

 

[Born Again 2004]

Your name is Born Again . Why dont you allow the Holy Spirit to move in you.

I dont have to ask these questions , because the Holy Spirit already moves in me . I know when those here are trying to trap me into saying things. Do you understand that . Mr Trapper . Lol

Sorry....thought it was pretty simple , confessed or not confessed....no trap....maybe this will work better do you sin?

 

[Bill]

Sorry....thought it was pretty simple , confessed or not confessed....no trap....maybe this will work better do you sin?

Yes I am a sinner. But I confess my sins to the Lord almost daily and through the blood of the Lamb Jesus I am washed of my sins

Jesus tells us to strive to be holy something that's virtually unattainable but I try

 

[Bill]

Sorry....thought it was pretty simple , confessed or not confessed....no trap....maybe this will work better do you sin?

Everyone sins , you may not think of it as sin, but sins take place whenever you set something between God and yourself.

As an example . On your way to church you crave a cup of coffee .

Instead of taking time to pray and prepare yourself , you get the coffee . You say to yourself , i needed this to wake up. Now you have just set the coffee between you and God.

You did not have faith to trust that God will wake you up, and now the flavor will distract you as well.

You see the craving ( as innocent as it seems ) came from the devil . His goal is to distract you, make you not pay attention to God, even for 1 second

 

[Dave M]

yet no believer practices sin,,,,and we must understand the difference or we will be lead astray by false teachers

 

[Sue D.]

@Bill -- my husband was a coffee drinker -- lots of coffee -- so when he wanted a cup he got one -- at church they had coffee in the kitchen -- everyone enjoyed their cup of coffee -- it's not a sin to get a cup of coffee.

So -- instead of saying No to the cup of coffee -- just get the cup and read your Bible as you're enjoying your coffee.

And, yes, there are those who Need that coffee To wake them up -- so Let them get that cup of coffee.

Is a diabetic supposed to be Sure to read that Bible Before taking the insulin needed? Putting God 1st ? Or using common sense and getting the insulin to control their blood sugar.

 

[Sue D.]

@Bill -- you Almost make it sound like a 'good work' to 'make sure God is Always first'.

So -- first thing in the morning Do take time to read His Word and say "Good morning" to God. But don't be afraid of loosing your salvation if you Don't.

 

[Sue D.]

@Dave M -- you're right -- Practicing sin is not what a born again person should be doing. And the Holy Spirit will convict a person of that. And there Are those who will try to put people on a guilt trip for not Working at not sinning. Because - as long as we're here on earth -- we Will sin -- we are born with a propensity For sin. Even born again people Do end up sinning.

IF a person Could reach sinless perfection here on earth -- there would be no need For the cross -- because we Could do it on our good works. But, we Can't -- so we Need The Savior that God has made possible for us.

 

[Bill]

@Bill -- you Almost make it sound like a 'good work' to 'make sure God is Always first'.

So -- first thing in the morning Do take time to read His Word and say "Good morning" to God. But don't be afraid of loosing your salvation if you Don't.

I didnt say you loose your salvation . What i did say was if you strive to be Holy , focus on God .

And as i said , the darkness is only trying to separate us from God, even for a second . So if it is so important for them to separate us from God, how much more then, should we strive to be with God.

 

[Bill]

yet no believer practices sin,,,,and we must understand the difference or we will be lead astray by false teachers

Did i say we practice sin. There is a difference . Between failing , and practicing sin.

Failing , is going for that craving of coffee . Making that quick judgement of where a person stands with God, swering , checking out that hot girl or guy ( looking at the menue as some say ) failing to aid someone in need when the Holy Spirit draws your attention to them.

Practicing sin is choosing the homosexual lifestyle and even though you know its wrong, continue to do so .

You could have been a born again Christian , then somehow got into homosexuality . Doing this Will set you on a path of destruction . And just like Judas , whose name was written in Heaven . Choses to throw it away

 

[Bill]

@Bill -- my husband was a coffee drinker -- lots of coffee -- so when he wanted a cup he got one -- at church they had coffee in the kitchen -- everyone enjoyed their cup of coffee -- it's not a sin to get a cup of coffee.

So -- instead of saying No to the cup of coffee -- just get the cup and read your Bible as you're enjoying your coffee.

And, yes, there are those who Need that coffee To wake them up -- so Let them get that cup of coffee.

Is a diabetic supposed to be Sure to read that Bible Before taking the insulin needed? Putting God 1st ? Or using common sense and getting the insulin to control their blood sugar.

There is a difference between medicine you need and following your cravings

You compare apples and pumkins

 

[Dave M]

Did i say we practice sin. There is a difference

Bill you have seemed to developed a Self-consciousness as thinking every post is about you LOL, I was simply adding what you said, to make sure that there was clarity about the difference of lifestyle of sin and stumbling

 

[Sue D.]

There is a difference between medicine you need and following your cravings

You compare apples and pumkins

Your comment about 'following your cravings' is what bothers me. How about people who simply love coffee -- they've grown up with coffee 1st thing in the morning. They Like the aroma Of coffee. When I think of a 'craving' I 'see' a person hooked on drugs -- their body Craving for their next fix.

With my husband, during his Air Force years -- he drank a lot of coffee. Lots of Long working hours. Then they were doing 3-month TDY's some were in and out of Viet Nam -- that's when the coffee drinking really went up. His nerves were giving him problems. He was up to around 3 pots per day all by himself. He tried to cut back to just a few -- his body went into caffeine withdrawl. Aching legs and head aches. So -- he had to have 4 cups a day at least. Maybe 5 or 6 to stop the legs and head. He did try to work with his body. cutting back as much as possible with the coffee.

I tend to be that way with chocolate. Between that and protein. I do NOT skip meals -- I eat at particular times. But --do Not take my chocolate away.

There's a saying that 'some people are so heavenly minded they are no earthly good'.

You tend to see 'sin' around every corner. And God Does lead us to people to help in some way at times. But there Are those who feel that if they're not out actively doing 'something' spiritual, they are some how not being 'spiritual' enough.
Maybe a lack of security of their salvation?!

 

[Trevor]

Your comment about 'following your cravings' is what bothers me. How about people who simply love coffee -- they've grown up with coffee 1st thing in the morning. They Like the aroma Of coffee. When I think of a 'craving' I 'see' a person hooked on drugs -- their body Craving for their next fix.

With my husband, during his Air Force years -- he drank a lot of coffee. Lots of Long working hours. Then they were doing 3-month TDY's some were in and out of Viet Nam -- that's when the coffee drinking really went up. His nerves were giving him problems. He was up to around 3 pots per day all by himself. He tried to cut back to just a few -- his body went into caffeine withdrawl. Aching legs and head aches. So -- he had to have 4 cups a day at least. Maybe 5 or 6 to stop the legs and head. He did try to work with his body. cutting back as much as possible with the coffee.

I tend to be that way with chocolate. Between that and protein. I do NOT skip meals -- I eat at particular times. But --do Not take my chocolate away.

There's a saying that 'some people are so heavenly minded they are no earthly good'.

You tend to see 'sin' around every corner. And God Does lead us to people to help in some way at times. But there Are those who feel that if they're not out actively doing 'something' spiritual, they are some how not being 'spiritual' enough.
Maybe a lack of security of their salvation?!

Hi Sue,
Jesus drank wine. and when told the wine had run out at a wedding he created the best wine. After all the plonk had gone Jesus created wine that even the wine bibbers raved about.

 

[Bill]

Your comment about 'following your cravings' is what bothers me. How about people who simply love coffee -- they've grown up with coffee 1st thing in the morning. They Like the aroma Of coffee. When I think of a 'craving' I 'see' a person hooked on drugs -- their body Craving for their next fix.

With my husband, during his Air Force years -- he drank a lot of coffee. Lots of Long working hours. Then they were doing 3-month TDY's some were in and out of Viet Nam -- that's when the coffee drinking really went up. His nerves were giving him problems. He was up to around 3 pots per day all by himself. He tried to cut back to just a few -- his body went into caffeine withdrawl. Aching legs and head aches. So -- he had to have 4 cups a day at least. Maybe 5 or 6 to stop the legs and head. He did try to work with his body. cutting back as much as possible with the coffee.

I tend to be that way with chocolate. Between that and protein. I do NOT skip meals -- I eat at particular times. But --do Not take my chocolate away.

There's a saying that 'some people are so heavenly minded they are no earthly good'.

You tend to see 'sin' around every corner. And God Does lead us to people to help in some way at times. But there Are those who feel that if they're not out actively doing 'something' spiritual, they are some how not being 'spiritual' enough.
Maybe a lack of security of their salvation?!

Sue , i am not saying anything negative about your husband or you .

The focus of the darkness is solely to draw you away from God .

Did you ever stop to consider , isnt it odd i get a little extra sleepy before going to church , or if i have a set time to read scriptures , personal study time .

Have you ever noticed , the kids get louder , there are more distractions whenever its that time to pray , study anything God .

All those things are caused by the darkness , just to get you away from God

Your children are not evil, the coffee pot isnt evil , you are not evil . That isnt the point .

The point is what do you do with it . The moment . Do you say , Jesus protect me from the evil one . Or Lord , you know how much i want that coffee, but i give it up for you . That You Jesus are all i need .

 

[Bill]

Your comment about 'following your cravings' is what bothers me. How about people who simply love coffee -- they've grown up with coffee 1st thing in the morning. They Like the aroma Of coffee. When I think of a 'craving' I 'see' a person hooked on drugs -- their body Craving for their next fix.

With my husband, during his Air Force years -- he drank a lot of coffee. Lots of Long working hours. Then they were doing 3-month TDY's some were in and out of Viet Nam -- that's when the coffee drinking really went up. His nerves were giving him problems. He was up to around 3 pots per day all by himself. He tried to cut back to just a few -- his body went into caffeine withdrawl. Aching legs and head aches. So -- he had to have 4 cups a day at least. Maybe 5 or 6 to stop the legs and head. He did try to work with his body. cutting back as much as possible with the coffee.

I tend to be that way with chocolate. Between that and protein. I do NOT skip meals -- I eat at particular times. But --do Not take my chocolate away.

There's a saying that 'some people are so heavenly minded they are no earthly good'.

You tend to see 'sin' around every corner. And God Does lead us to people to help in some way at times. But there Are those who feel that if they're not out actively doing 'something' spiritual, they are some how not being 'spiritual' enough.
Maybe a lack of security of their salvation?!

Prayer is the greatest Spiritual blessing there is . Who takes time to pray.

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