Faith or works or both?

[Bill]

Bill you have seemed to developed a Self-consciousness as thinking every post is about you LOL, I was simply adding what you said, to make sure that there was clarity about the difference of lifestyle of sin and stumbling

You would too in my shoes . My posse' follow me to every place i go here . And for what purpose ?
Thats a good question , for what purpose?

They dont say anything , until i write . Usually to denounce anything i say .

 

[Bill]

yet no believer practices sin,,,,and we must understand the difference or we will be lead astray by false teachers

No one seems to try using the Gifts of the Holy Spirit either. Im guessing most dont know how or comprehend when the Spirit does move in them.

Seems to be a taboo subject even here among Christians. Talking about the Gifts . Discernment , big big BIG one to learn and understand .

 

[Dave M]

You would too in my shoes . My posse' follow me to every place i go here . And for what purpose ?
Thats a good question , for what purpose?

They dont say anything , until i write . Usually to denounce anything i say .

LOL Bill you tend to exalt yourself above everyone else in a lot of your post brother, perhaps you dont realize it when you say things like "I could tell you but you would not understand"
or things like "I am not allowed to tell you"

you are exalting yourself, I would lovingly suggest to you my freind when you have something to say say it, if your not allowed to say it dont bring it up what good is it?? dont try to come across as all knowing an understanding above everyone else, for there is only one name that must be exalted and that is the name of Chirst Jesus , Lord of Lords and King of Kings !!!

I will say you also come across as loving caring person who has Christ in him, this is the internet we must all have thick skin. Especially on a Christian forum wear there is more division and wolfs then most other forums in cyber space. you go to a hobby forum say for example pellet guns or mountain bikes, everyone gets along and treats each other nicely for the most part. you go to a so called "chirsitian" forum and people are at each others throats if you disagree with there thinking.

This is where you can see who has the fruit of the spirit in there heart, the more mature believers have to give leeway to less mature believers who like to bicker and argue and divide, then of course we have to deal with those that are out to just plain deceivers.........we all need to pray deeply for the gift of discernment when coming on a forum like this............bless you brother

 

[Bill]

LOL Bill you tend to exalt yourself above everyone else in a lot of your post brother, perhaps you dont realize it when you say things like "I could tell you but you would not understand"
or things like "I am not allowed to tell you"

you are exalting yourself, I would lovingly suggest to you my freind when you have something to say say it, if your not allowed to say it dont bring it up what good is it?? dont try to come across as all knowing an understanding above everyone else, for there is only one name that must be exalted and that is the name of Chirst Jesus , Lord of Lords and King of Kings !!!

I will say you also come across as loving caring person who has Christ in him, this is the internet we must all have thick skin. Especially on a Christian forum wear there is more division and wolfs then most other forums in cyber space. you go to a hobby forum say for example pellet guns or mountain bikes, everyone gets along and treats each other nicely for the most part. you go to a so called "chirsitian" forum and people are at each others throats if you disagree with there thinking.

This is where you can see who has the fruit of the spirit in there heart, the more mature believers have to give leeway to less mature believers who like to bicker and argue and divide, then of course we have to deal with those that are out to just plain deceivers.........we all need to pray deeply for the gift of discernment when coming on a forum like this............bless you brother

Thank you Sir .

I dont see it as exualting myself when i say you would not understand ( meaning all present )

But lets try a bit and see where it goes . The Lord gave me a ton of authority over Angels .now i recognize they know a lot more than i do, so im always asking what they would do. Oh i forgot . I see and talk with Angels all the time .

Now in this forum where nearly anything you say has to be proven in scripture , where exactly do we find this .

So the Christians here have moved away from a faith based thinking to a conformation based thinking. That is ok for young Christians, but what happens when it isnt in Scripture . This is why im constantly comming down on you guys about Excercising your faith . You need to get that faith going . If you have the Gifts of the Spirit Use Them.

Those of you that set the Gifts of the Spirit up on the shelf , guess what , it gets rusty, just like reading the Word. If you dont take time to read the Word , you are not fanning that fire.

This work i do in Jesus is what He wants me to do. I do it all in faith.

Jesus Himself says others will come and do even greater works than these . He never said what they were . The only guide i have is Jesus.

Now i know these things ive been doing Are in Jesus. And for the first 10 plus years there were no conformations. And now there have been hundreds of conformations since i began this faith walk as i call it.

So tell me . Now, will you understand me.

When i tell you that you wont understand, i mean it in all sincerety.

And when i say im not allowed to, it is because Jesus has told me not to .

 

[Samson2020]

I understand the angels are quite tall. Never saw one myself, my eyes are not that good yet. Have cast out an unclean spirit but didn't see it either just heard it.
Always felt like Jesus could see the unclean spirits thats why he told them not to speak before they spoke. And I guess when it says the heavens were opened
to him it meant he was able to see the spiritual world as well as the physical as he was given the Spirit without measure. Had to be more available to him
than us who only got a down payment so to speak.

 

[Sue D.]

Thank you Sir .

I dont see it as exualting myself when i say you would not understand ( meaning all present )

But lets try a bit and see where it goes . The Lord gave me a ton of authority over Angels .now i recognize they know a lot more than i do, so im always asking what they would do. Oh i forgot . I see and talk with Angels all the time .

Now in this forum where nearly anything you say has to be proven in scripture , where exactly do we find this .

So the Christians here have moved away from a faith based thinking to a conformation based thinking. That is ok for young Christians, but what happens when it isnt in Scripture . This is why im constantly comming down on you guys about Excercising your faith . You need to get that faith going . If you have the Gifts of the Spirit Use Them.

Those of you that set the Gifts of the Spirit up on the shelf , guess what , it gets rusty, just like reading the Word. If you dont take time to read the Word , you are not fanning that fire.

This work i do in Jesus is what He wants me to do. I do it all in faith.

Jesus Himself says others will come and do even greater works than these . He never said what they were . The only guide i have is Jesus.

Now i know these things ive been doing Are in Jesus. And for the first 10 plus years there were no conformations. And now there have been hundreds of conformations since i began this faith walk as i call it.

So tell me . Now, will you understand me.

When i tell you that you wont understand, i mean it in all sincerety.

And when i say im not allowed to, it is because Jesus has told me not to .

So -- you see and talk with angels all the time?!? and you have Authority over angels. That would be questionable.

ARe you talking about the spiritual gifts that God gives to each believer upon their salvation? There Are lots of them listed. The spiritual gifts are given to each to help the local church work to run more smoothly.

You sound somewhat charismatic

 

[Dave M]

The Lord gave me a ton of authority over Angels .now i recognize they know a lot more than i do, so im always asking what they would do. Oh i forgot . I see and talk with Angels all the time .

brother may I suggest if you are not allowed to talk about things, do not bring them up at all.. that is between you and God. When you mention them, and you cant expand it does no good at all that I can see.

the more mature we are in Christ the more patience we should have to others.

When i tell you that you wont understand, i mean it in all sincerity.

And when i say im not allowed to, it is because Jesus has told me not to .

May I suggest you talk about what you can share.. Like the loving heart it must take to adopt 5 children I would love to here more about that as I was adopted. Like the love you have for others and have gone hrs down the road to batize someone you dont even know.

Peace

 

[Bill]

So -- you see and talk with angels all the time?!? and you have Authority over angels. That would be questionable.

ARe you talking about the spiritual gifts that God gives to each believer upon their salvation? There Are lots of them listed. The spiritual gifts are given to each to help the local church work to run more smoothly.

You sound somewhat charismatic

How do you come to the conclusion that is questionable ?

When we look at the Scripture , Jesus refers to Himself as the Cornerstone. We are to base all of what we are on Jesus.

When Jesus states that of Himself , He isnt talking just His physical life. But the whole of the Word . Because what is Jesus. Jesus IS THE WORD . So all of what Scripture is , becomes the cornerstone of faith and love .

Now love is just as important as faith. Because we have to understand what Love Is.

God Is Love. Period

So going back to the Cornerstone we can see that its basis is faith and love.

Once we have the basis of faith and love , we have the Fulness of Christ laid out, and what we build on top of that is who we are.

 

[Bill]

brother may I suggest if you are not allowed to talk about things, do not bring them up at all.. that is between you and God. When you mention them, and you cant expand it does no good at all that I can see.

the more mature we are in Christ the more patience we should have to others.



May I suggest you talk about what you can share.. Like the loving heart it must take to adopt 5 children I would love to here more about that as I was adopted. Like the love you have for others and have gone hrs down the road to batize someone you dont even know.

Peace

I hear you brother . Good enough.

 

[Brad Huber]

LOL Bill you tend to exalt yourself above everyone else in a lot of your post brother, perhaps you dont realize it when you say things like "I could tell you but you would not understand"
or things like "I am not allowed to tell you"

you are exalting yourself, I would lovingly suggest to you my freind when you have something to say say it, if your not allowed to say it dont bring it up what good is it?? dont try to come across as all knowing an understanding above everyone else, for there is only one name that must be exalted and that is the name of Chirst Jesus , Lord of Lords and King of Kings !!!

I will say you also come across as loving caring person who has Christ in him, this is the internet we must all have thick skin. Especially on a Christian forum wear there is more division and wolfs then most other forums in cyber space. you go to a hobby forum say for example pellet guns or mountain bikes, everyone gets along and treats each other nicely for the most part. you go to a so called "chirsitian" forum and people are at each others throats if you disagree with there thinking.

This is where you can see who has the fruit of the spirit in there heart, the more mature believers have to give leeway to less mature believers who like to bicker and argue and divide, then of course we have to deal with those that are out to just plain deceivers.........we all need to pray deeply for the gift of discernment when coming on a forum like this............bless you brother

Actually there is a lot of times, I dont tell ppl things because I think they woudnt understand, and there are times when I am not allowed to say things about some matter. The only difference is I dont usually even mention it, because ppl WILL think I am exalting myself. I simply understand ppl pretty well, comes from being afraid of them (other people) when I was younger. I learned to tell when ppl would not believe me, like when I saw evil spirits at the age of around 10 years old before I even became a christian, ppl think its my imagination or made up. Amazing miracles happened to me, but I dont talk about them, because either people assume the worst in me. God has used me as a prophet before, He has given me parables to share with other christians who wouldnt know what I spoke about, and to non christians who think I am full of it.

Do you believe the bible? It is filled with miracles, and prophets, and ppl receiving visions and dreams from the Lord. It has examples of ppl recieving revelations that are not to be shared. Do you think Christianity is a faith of people dead and gone? Learn more about the Holy Spirit, and you will see the same things, that Bill and I have seen.

 

[Bill]

I understand the angels are quite tall. Never saw one myself, my eyes are not that good yet. Have cast out an unclean spirit but didn't see it either just heard it.
Always felt like Jesus could see the unclean spirits thats why he told them not to speak before they spoke. And I guess when it says the heavens were opened
to him it meant he was able to see the spiritual world as well as the physical as he was given the Spirit without measure. Had to be more available to him
than us who only got a down payment so to speak.

Think of it as a gift , not seeing the darkness.

 

[Brad Huber]

Think of it as a gift , not seeing the darkness.

I also cast out an unclean spirit when I was in my 30's. I didnt see it either, but I felt it. And when I cast it out in Jesus name, I could feel it was gone.

 

[Bill]

Actually there is a lot of times, I dont tell ppl things because I think they woudnt understand, and there are times when I am not allowed to say things about some matter. The only difference is I dont usually even mention it, because ppl WILL think I am exalting myself. I simply understand ppl pretty well, comes from being afraid of them (other people) when I was younger. I learned to tell when ppl would not believe me, like when I saw evil spirits at the age of around 10 years old before I even became a christian, ppl think its my imagination or made up. Amazing miracles happened to me, but I dont talk about them, because either people assume the worst in me. God has used me as a prophet before, He has given me parables to share with other christians who wouldnt know what I spoke about, and to non christians who think I am full of it.

Do you believe the bible? It is filled with miracles, and prophets, and ppl receiving visions and dreams from the Lord. It has examples of ppl recieving revelations that are not to be shared. Do you think Christianity is a faith of people dead and gone? Learn more about the Holy Spirit, and you will see the same things, that Bill and I have seen.

I think it is a shame that Preachers dont talk more of God's Spirit and things people experience . So often the devil is given credit , because it cant be found in Scripture or many have never been told what to look for in the Movement of the Holy Spirit

 

[Bill]

I want to make a note here , concerning removal of evil spirits . When the Lord calls you to do it. 1) be filled with Gods love 2) Bind the spirits mouth hands and feet in Jesus name . Then continue. If you have any questions feel free to message me . Gods blessings

 

[Dave M]

@Brad Huber or @Bill I ask a sincere question that you dont have to answer,, how much time do you spend in prayer daily, I am talking alone solid prayer each day.

thanks

 

[Brad Huber]

Gosh, I dont add it up, but on and off all day long. A bad guess would be a total of 3-5 hours a day.

 

[Brad Huber]

Gosh, I dont add it up, but on and off all day long. A bad guess would be a total of 3-5 hours a day.

But to clarify, my idea of prayer is probably a lot different than others ideas about prayer. I just talk a lot to Him all day long and mostly He listens, and gives me reassurance that I am right or wrong about something.

 

[Samson2020]

@Brad Huber or @Bill I ask a sincere question that you dont have to answer,, how much time do you spend in prayer daily, I am talking alone solid prayer each day.

thanks

I'm not trying to answer for either Bill or Brad but in my own experience we pray in secret and are rewarded openly. It seems as though the things that we get to
do are really more for us as conformation of who we are in the Lord. Only twice has what I have been sent to do benefited someone other than me, as I was
confirmed but they also got conformation in healing or financially taken care of. In both those cases I was just the messenger. I can't say that one has to be in prayer
all the time in order to have an assignment given them, it just occurs as he needs or wants it to occur, and chooses you to do it. This to me is obeying the Lord
and being patient in between assignments. If you've ever had the opportunity you will always want to do more. But it seems like the less your looking for anything
to come your way the better the chance something will.

 

[Samson2020]

I also cast out an unclean spirit when I was in my 30's. I didnt see it either, but I felt it. And when I cast it out in Jesus name, I could feel it was gone.

You ever been in a "church" building with service in progress and seen a spirit move between congregation members causing them to cough so that they really
don't have opportunity to hear whats being said? Saw it once in a Church of Christ group, and as it moved from person to person you could read the lips of
those affected saying "I just can't stop from coughing, no idea why" it was interesting but I received nothing as to do anything about it so I just watched. This went on
for a good 20 minutes and jumped to around 10-12 people before stopping. Even asked one that was affected by it during the service and he didn't know what I was
talking about. Didn't remember coughing.

 

[Dave M]

But to clarify, my idea of prayer is probably a lot different than others ideas about prayer. I just talk a lot to Him all day long and mostly He listens, and gives me reassurance that I am right or wrong about something

thanks brother Brad,,,,,yes when I say pray I mean on our knees or better on our face.. For me I am on my knees or face 3 times a day but for only 20 minutes or so total. BUt like you I speak and seek Christ all day long for the most part, he is on my mind.

A person prayer life is critical in getting close to God is my belief,, and that is why I asked,,, please pray for me to become a prayer warrior brother.