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Fake Insurrection


Here's a database of the nearly 300 people arrested, with a description of their beliefs affiliations and motives as described in court.
 
If the TDS - Trump Derangement Syndrome - comment was referring to me, let me politely explain a three things
  1. I am in full command of all my mental faculties
  2. I am not likely to be cowed by bullying language or sneering names from anybody.
  3. I am well aware that in any kind of debate, the insults and personal attacks tend to come from the side that is losing confidence in their argument.
 
If the TDS - Trump Derangement Syndrome - comment was referring to me, let me politely explain a three things
  1. I am in full command of all my mental faculties
  2. I am not likely to be cowed by bullying language or sneering names from anybody.
  3. I am well aware that in any kind of debate, the insults and personal attacks tend to come from the side that is losing confidence in their argument.
Your "defense' speaks of and to personal insecurity when your name was not attached to my reply.
The comment was directed at the article the member is responsible for posting and who appears to think its content shows ANTIFA was not at the Capitol. A false narrative that insists upon itself as absolute truth when all evidence to its contrary is rebuffed.
(There are no mentions of Trump supporters in that list either, btw)

Personally, people can deny ANTIFA was at the Capitol instigating the crowds and do. It doesn't wash with the facts, it doesn't even make sense when ANTIFA shows its evil head all over the country and one thinks they'd never appear in our Capitol on January 6th to start trouble?
ANTIFA took two cities on the west coast hostage for months. But there is no evidence they were in our national Capitol on January 6th? Why? Because they weren't wearing "ANTIFA" tee shirts? When we know they were told to instead wear Trump tee shirts so as to appear as Trump supporters? And that ploy worked given the "reporting" of Leftist MSM.

But is it true it was Trump supporters who were acting out ? When the violent acts reported were the typical manner as is evidenced by ANTIFA and their domestic terrorism tactic? ANTIFA Is Added To List Of Terrorist Groups By Trump

 
@Cactus Kitten There's plenty of mention of Trump supporters in that list. 35 of them invoked Trump in explaining their actions to the court. For example, 39 year-old Christopher Ray Grider from Texas

Federal prosecutors say they first learned about Christopher Grider's alleged involvement in the Capitol riot because he gave an interview to a local TV station in Texas. "The president asked people to come and show their support. I feel like it’s the least that we can do. It’s kind of why I came from central Texas all the way to D.C.,” Grider told KWTX. Grider said he witnessed the police shooting of Ashli Babbitt, who was killed by a Capitol Police officer while trying to climb through a broken window inside the Capitol. Prosecutors allege that Grider handed his helmet to another rioter, who used the helmet to break the glass window that Babbitt then tried to climb through. Grider also allegedly "attempted to push open the doors and then kick the doors in an attempt to breach the entrance leading to House Chamber where members of Congress were located." Grider was arrested in Austin, Texas, on Jan. 21 and was indicted on multiple charges, including destruction of government property, on Jan. 26.

I'm at a loss as to who you were aiming your TDS comment if not me. I'm the only one on this thread that has pushed back on the 'fake insurrection' narrative. Who did you have in mind?
 
Or look into this fella, Jon Mellis


He used a stick to try to stab police officers during the insurrection. He posted on social media the following day:

"Don't you dare try to tell me that people are blaming this on antifa and BLM. We proudly take responsibility for storming the Castle. Antifa and BLM or too *****. They just burn your business down. We are fighting for election integrity. They heard us."
 
@Cactus Kitten There's plenty of mention of Trump supporters in that list. 35 of them invoked Trump in explaining their actions to the court. For example, 39 year-old Christopher Ray Grider from Texas

Federal prosecutors say they first learned about Christopher Grider's alleged involvement in the Capitol riot because he gave an interview to a local TV station in Texas. "The president asked people to come and show their support. I feel like it’s the least that we can do. It’s kind of why I came from central Texas all the way to D.C.,” Grider told KWTX. Grider said he witnessed the police shooting of Ashli Babbitt, who was killed by a Capitol Police officer while trying to climb through a broken window inside the Capitol. Prosecutors allege that Grider handed his helmet to another rioter, who used the helmet to break the glass window that Babbitt then tried to climb through. Grider also allegedly "attempted to push open the doors and then kick the doors in an attempt to breach the entrance leading to House Chamber where members of Congress were located." Grider was arrested in Austin, Texas, on Jan. 21 and was indicted on multiple charges, including destruction of government property, on Jan. 26.

I'm at a loss as to who you were aiming your TDS comment if not me. I'm the only one on this thread that has pushed back on the 'fake insurrection' narrative. Who did you have in mind?
You can accept the responsibility since you feel that guilt.
I'll forgive you for calling me a liar when I stated the comment was directed at the article and those responsible for its content.

Reading the charges against those people is helpful. Thinking being a Trump supporter and being arrested is proof the one under arrest was one of the violent culprits in the Capitol riots isn't fair to the facts.

One person under arrest in that list, William Wright Watson, said: "I went straight up to the first cop and literally got on my knees and was like, 'Listen, I want to be peaceful here ... I want to help you get these people peaceful so that we can have a conversation.' "
His charges: Federal: Civil Disorders; Restricted Building or Grounds with a Deadly or Dangerous Weapon; Violent Entry or Disorderly Conduct (Source)
He had a can of mace and a pocket knife in his pocket. So do I. Mace and pepper spray are legally allowed to carry in all U.S states. I also have a pocket knife with me at all times.

And?

What escapes the officials in this matter is critical thinking behind ANTIFA tactics. When ANTIFA directs its members to dress as Trump supporters and as close as possible to Capitol police so as to make their pending riot fall on the Trump supporters, do we actually think once arrested an ANTIFA member is going to admit they're actually a member of ANTIFA? It defeats the narrative their premeditated Trump attire intended to message to viewers of their actions.

ANTIFA are domestic terrorists. As is BLM, who boldly and for a short time funded their own TV commercial sending a message that they're also racists. Their closing line in that commercial? "Because until black lives matter no lives matter!"
And they prove that when they murder a woman who replied to their BLM chant with, "all lives matter!"


For the record, ANTIFA members dress in all black.

It boggles the mind that anyone would insist ANTIFA and BLM were nowhere near the Capitol on January 6th and participating in these riots. When that is what ANTIFA and BLM do.
Further, if ANTIFA wasn't there on January 6th it would be impossible for them and Proud Boys to have clashed, as reported.

And while ignoring that ANTIFA directed members to dress as Trump supporters so the blame for their actions would be perceived as being perpetuated by Trump supporters.
You and your arguments are proof their tactics worked as planned. That is being directed to you. Just so that you know the difference.
 




 
@Cactus Kitten The clever journey article has two pictures of Jason Tankersley, one inside the Capitol Building on Jan 6, the other a screengrab from the Antifaphilly.org website. This is put forward as evidence that antifa was present at the Capitol Building insurrection.

But

The reason Jason Tankersley's image appeared on the antifaphilly.org website is that one of their tactics is to expose right wing extremists. His picture is captioned:

"Tankersley was a nazi long before MDS or KSS were founded, participating in rallies by the National Alliance, The Aryan Nations and the KKK, among other white power groups..."

So not affiliated with Antifa in any way. Quite the opposite

You can see a record of the page at Keystone United Exposed Day 15: Jason Tankersley – Philly Antifa

BTW. I didn't call you a liar, and I don't believe you are a liar. Getting the facts straight is important though.
 
Here we can hear the "ANTIFA, ANTIFA, ANTIFA, " and "Go ANTIFA, go ANTIFA, " chant by a woman in the crowd:



Proud Boys and ANTIFA clash in D.C. Jan. 6th
 






Antifa Infiltrated Trump Supporters In Capitol, Evidence Reveals

BY MINNIE AGDEPPAJAN 08, 2021 08:12 AM EST
antifa.jpg

(Photo : Mika Baumeister / Unsplash)

Antifa infiltrated President Donald Trump's supporters of the Save America Rally on their way to the U.S. Capitol yesterday according to surfacing evidence and as lawmakers alleged themselves, reports reveal.

Amidst Big Media reporting that Trump supporters are violent, evidence from various reputable and credible individuals have surfaced that the rioters who invaded the U.S. capitol were actually members of extreme leftist groups Antifa and Black Lives Matter.

One America News Network cited the expose Alabama Representative Mo Brooks made via Twitter regarding the identity of the rioters based on "warnings" he received prior to the Wednesday incident that has unnerved, angered, and left many Americans under shock together with the rest of the world.
"Evidence growing that fascist ANTIFA orchestrated Capitol attack with clever mob control tactics," Brooks announced prior to detailing what these evidence were based on the intel given him by a police and another Congressman that the Trump supporters will be infiltrated by the said extreme leftist group.

Brooks narrated that a congressman warned him last Monday "of a growing ANTIFA threat and advised" him to sleep in his office "rather than leaving Capitol complex and sleeping" in his condo. The said congressman revealed that he actually got intel from a Capitol Police officer that "ANTIFA was going to try to infiltrate the Trump rally by dressing like Trump supporters."
Coincidentally, "Capitol Police adviced TUESDAY that it is best not to leave Capitol complex" echoing the warning Brooks received.
"Please, don't be like [HASH=5535]#FakeNewsMedia[/HASH], don't rush to judgment on assault on Capitol. Wait for investigation. All may not be (and likely is not) what appears," Brooks stressed, "Again, time will reveal truth. Don't rush to judgment. Don't be fooled by [HASH=5535]#FakeNewsMedia[/HASH] whose political judgment drives their reporting.
The Gateway Pundit, on the other hand, revealed that a retired FBI Agent confirmed this narrative of Brooks through a text message received by their investigative reporter Paul Sperry.
BREAKING: Former FBI agent on the ground at U.S. Capitol just texted me and confirmed that at least 1 "bus load" of Antifa thugs infiltrated peaceful Trump demonstrators as part of a false Trump flag ops — Paul Sperry (@paulsperry_) January 6, 2021

Sperry said in his Twitter account the FBI agent confirmed that a bus load of Antifa members joined the Save America March to discredit the President and his supporters.
The Gateway Pundit also cited Independent Journalist Tayler Hansen who posted a series of tweets proving Antifa lead the riots upon spotting BLM activist and Insurgency USA head John Sullivan, who he previously sent to jail, was surprisingly present in the Save America rally as members of the press who were in "gas masks."
"I have video evidence confirming Antifa's presence within the Trump Supporters today. I will post later once I am safely out of DC," Hansen said prior to posting a thread presenting a series of evidence.

Tayler was previously mobbed by Antifa after he infiltrated their group during a coverage in Portland. Thus explaining his tweet on Wednesday of his need to get to safety prior to exposing the group as the promulgators of violence last Wednesday. The video evidence showed the same people who Hansen saw in Portland and responsible for his mobbing were actually present in the US Capitol taking photos initially and passing out masks as IDs to their members prior to the rioting.
"Pay attention to the gas masks they use, see a pattern? There's a reason. ANTIFA hands out these masks and razor scooter helmets that they turn into 'PRESS ID' by using tape and a sharpie. They were littered EVERYWHERE throughout the crowd yesterday," Hansen stressed in his thread of evidences.


Sullivan, who was previously arrested for causing riots and who is known to want to take Trump down, was actually interviewed by CNN yesterday evening for the video he posed on the shooting of Ashli Babbit, which in itself is evidence against him in line with the rioting that occured in the U.S. Capitol.
"Eyewitness reports one of the first people to break a window at the Capitol wearing a US flag shirt but took it off and tossed it in bush after. Others in dark clothing urging people to rush forward, starting anti-govt chants in crowd," revealed Veteran Navy intel officer Jack Posobiec in his Twitter account early Thursday.
Reports say Sullivan has been detained. Videos of him in handicuffs and sitting outside the Hamilton hotel have surfaced on the internet.

Other radical leftists caught on photo and video vandalizing House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi's office were Baked Alaska and Streamers Nick Fuentes together with a Black Lives Matter member who was originally spotted in their event last Summer in Arizona holding a QAnon poster, The Gateway Pundit presented.
Meawhile many reporters cited Trump supporters actually stopping Antifa from destroying the Capitol yet, The Gateway Pundit said, these are not being reported by Big Media.
 






Antifa Infiltrated Trump Supporters In Capitol, Evidence Reveals

BY MINNIE AGDEPPAJAN 08, 2021 08:12 AM EST
antifa.jpg

(Photo : Mika Baumeister / Unsplash)

Antifa infiltrated President Donald Trump's supporters of the Save America Rally on their way to the U.S. Capitol yesterday according to surfacing evidence and as lawmakers alleged themselves, reports reveal.

Amidst Big Media reporting that Trump supporters are violent, evidence from various reputable and credible individuals have surfaced that the rioters who invaded the U.S. capitol were actually members of extreme leftist groups Antifa and Black Lives Matter.

One America News Network cited the expose Alabama Representative Mo Brooks made via Twitter regarding the identity of the rioters based on "warnings" he received prior to the Wednesday incident that has unnerved, angered, and left many Americans under shock together with the rest of the world.
"Evidence growing that fascist ANTIFA orchestrated Capitol attack with clever mob control tactics," Brooks announced prior to detailing what these evidence were based on the intel given him by a police and another Congressman that the Trump supporters will be infiltrated by the said extreme leftist group.

Brooks narrated that a congressman warned him last Monday "of a growing ANTIFA threat and advised" him to sleep in his office "rather than leaving Capitol complex and sleeping" in his condo. The said congressman revealed that he actually got intel from a Capitol Police officer that "ANTIFA was going to try to infiltrate the Trump rally by dressing like Trump supporters."
Coincidentally, "Capitol Police adviced TUESDAY that it is best not to leave Capitol complex" echoing the warning Brooks received.
"Please, don't be like [HASH=5535]#FakeNewsMedia[/HASH], don't rush to judgment on assault on Capitol. Wait for investigation. All may not be (and likely is not) what appears," Brooks stressed, "Again, time will reveal truth. Don't rush to judgment. Don't be fooled by [HASH=5535]#FakeNewsMedia[/HASH] whose political judgment drives their reporting.
The Gateway Pundit, on the other hand, revealed that a retired FBI Agent confirmed this narrative of Brooks through a text message received by their investigative reporter Paul Sperry.


Sperry said in his Twitter account the FBI agent confirmed that a bus load of Antifa members joined the Save America March to discredit the President and his supporters.
The Gateway Pundit also cited Independent Journalist Tayler Hansen who posted a series of tweets proving Antifa lead the riots upon spotting BLM activist and Insurgency USA head John Sullivan, who he previously sent to jail, was surprisingly present in the Save America rally as members of the press who were in "gas masks."
"I have video evidence confirming Antifa's presence within the Trump Supporters today. I will post later once I am safely out of DC," Hansen said prior to posting a thread presenting a series of evidence.

Tayler was previously mobbed by Antifa after he infiltrated their group during a coverage in Portland. Thus explaining his tweet on Wednesday of his need to get to safety prior to exposing the group as the promulgators of violence last Wednesday. The video evidence showed the same people who Hansen saw in Portland and responsible for his mobbing were actually present in the US Capitol taking photos initially and passing out masks as IDs to their members prior to the rioting.
"Pay attention to the gas masks they use, see a pattern? There's a reason. ANTIFA hands out these masks and razor scooter helmets that they turn into 'PRESS ID' by using tape and a sharpie. They were littered EVERYWHERE throughout the crowd yesterday," Hansen stressed in his thread of evidences.


Sullivan, who was previously arrested for causing riots and who is known to want to take Trump down, was actually interviewed by CNN yesterday evening for the video he posed on the shooting of Ashli Babbit, which in itself is evidence against him in line with the rioting that occured in the U.S. Capitol.
"Eyewitness reports one of the first people to break a window at the Capitol wearing a US flag shirt but took it off and tossed it in bush after. Others in dark clothing urging people to rush forward, starting anti-govt chants in crowd," revealed Veteran Navy intel officer Jack Posobiec in his Twitter account early Thursday.
Reports say Sullivan has been detained. Videos of him in handicuffs and sitting outside the Hamilton hotel have surfaced on the internet.

Other radical leftists caught on photo and video vandalizing House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi's office were Baked Alaska and Streamers Nick Fuentes together with a Black Lives Matter member who was originally spotted in their event last Summer in Arizona holding a QAnon poster, The Gateway Pundit presented.
Meawhile many reporters cited Trump supporters actually stopping Antifa from destroying the Capitol yet, The Gateway Pundit said, these are not being reported by Big Media.
Out of all this we've got three names - John Sullivan, Baked Alaska, Nick Fuentes.

None of them is antifa affiliated; two of the are on the extreme right wing, not left wing as the article says.
 
Out of all this we've got three names - John Sullivan, Baked Alaska, Nick Fuentes.

None of them is antifa affiliated; two of the are on the extreme right wing, not left wing as the article says.
Actually the full article posted refutes that claim in your last sentence.
One is able to believe their own narrative when they ignore the facts. Ignoring that ANTIFA told their members to dress like Trump supporters, ignoring the fact that the FBI arrested an ANTIFA member. Ignoring the evidence of first hand accounts of people who saw ANTIFA in the Capitol, etc... And mostly, the Left's false news claiming ANTIFA wasn't in the Capitol on January 6th just doesn't meet the bar of truth.
ANTIFA occupy cities, protest in front of government buildings, raise hell, turn violent, and yet the Left wing MSM tries to persuade the American audience that ANTIFA was no where near the Capitol on January 6th.
When the video's shared, articles too, names of affiliates of ANTIFA, are in evidence, selectively ignoring those in order to repeat the Left wing media's propaganda is intellectually dishonest when having said prior that you hold to the facts.
You don't. What it appears you prefer is to ignore the proofs, and parrot the Left MSM's false reporting.

Why that is is between you and God.
 
When the video's shared, articles too, names of affiliates of ANTIFA, are in evidence, selectively ignoring those in order to repeat the Left wing media's propaganda is intellectually dishonest when having said prior that you hold to the facts.
I haven't been selective. I have followed up the background on every named person named in this thread who is said to be antifa-affiliated posing as a right-wing insurrectionist. They are

Jon Sullivan
Baked Alaska (Anthime Joseph "Tim" Gionet)
Nick Fuentes
Jason Tankersley

Gionet, Fuentes and Tankersley are all well-known Right-wing activists with links to extremism. It not easy to see what ideology Jon Sullivan subscribes to, if any. But it's clear that though he was involved in the insurrection and criminal damage that he was caught up in the crowd rather than leading anyone.

Hundreds of people have been arrested and charged, yet no Antifa link has been found with any of them.

I just don't find any evidence to back up the claim that Antifa was involved. That's also the conclusion of the FBI.

As for my motivation and standing before God, I believe Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. For me, that means that knowing and speaking the truth in every sphere of life is valuable and important.
 
I haven't been selective. I have followed up the background on every named person named in this thread who is said to be antifa-affiliated posing as a right-wing insurrectionist. They are

Jon Sullivan
Baked Alaska (Anthime Joseph "Tim" Gionet)
Nick Fuentes
Jason Tankersley

Gionet, Fuentes and Tankersley are all well-known Right-wing activists with links to extremism. It not easy to see what ideology Jon Sullivan subscribes to, if any. But it's clear that though he was involved in the insurrection and criminal damage that he was caught up in the crowd rather than leading anyone.

Hundreds of people have been arrested and charged, yet no Antifa link has been found with any of them.

I just don't find any evidence to back up the claim that Antifa was involved. That's also the conclusion of the FBI.

As for my motivation and standing before God, I believe Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. For me, that means that knowing and speaking the truth in every sphere of life is valuable and important.
Well, ANTIFA would never lie when questioned by the police they despise and yet act out in every way so as to garner police attention.

And ignoring videos and eyewitness testimonies wherein ANTIFA was seen in D.C on January 6th, did post on Twitter to dress as Trump supporters so that we'll get the blame for their domestic terror assaults on our Capitol, etc... is contrary to going by all the facts. When you ignore the facts that disprove your assertion ANTIFA wasn't there so as to insist the "facts" you do prefer prove your preferred negative, ANTIFA wasn't there, is intellectually dishonest.

And, quite frankly, imagining ANTIFA wasn't there is illogical given their far left radically violent terrorist pattern of behavior. Of course they were there! At a demonstration wherein right wing Trump supporters were protesting an illegal election that garnered an unfit candidate the highest office of power in the world. Of course they were there.
And there is plenty of proof to sustain that fact.

You don't find any evidence because you don't accept evidence you find contrary to your preferred narrative.
That's all I have to say about this to you. No matter of fact will ever change the mind made up to ignore facts it is not ready to accept.
 
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