False teacher, prophets and doctrines.. again.

[Jonathan_Gale]

Why do you always snap to the malevolent? I wasn't bragging, nor enticing you to brag, I was trying to get a concrete feel for what you call "SPIRITUAL WARFARE" after you accused me of word games.

So after you accused me of words games I asked about hard accomplishments. I've run into many a believer whose "Spiritual Warfare" is just that... word games in loud prayers that have no effect.

No. It's not. I see this passage as one of misapplied self assurance, that this type of person says to himself, "I'm saved because I can cast out demons." And that's not the basis for our salvation. Our actions of Love toward one another composes the basis of our salvation... that the Holy Spirit cleanses us from all unrighteousness.

And yet there are other passages where Jesus says that Beelzebub doesn't help people cast out demons. Could those people cast out demons in the name of Beelzebub (ect.)? Certainly not. So at some point there would need to have been an outworking of the Holy Spirit for those demons to be cast out. Maybe they were mistaken in their belief that demons were even cast out.

So while I reject your accusation of bragging, I shall say that there needs to be evidence in a believer's life to the extent of:

(Mark 16:16-17 KJV) He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
These signs must follow them that believe, but they are not the basis for (and hence cannot be proof of) our salvation.

Rhema

Actual Sentient Critters? Or are you speaking metaphorically? ( It's a bit hard to tell.)

This depends on your definition of demon. "Daimonios", the original word for demon, is an evil spirit of a false god. All false religions and ideologies are modern forms of these evil spirits, communism, scientism, environmentalism, materialism, you name it. Without the Holy Spirit, all civilizations are possessed by these evil spirits, and down to individual level, it could be manifested as some kind of a mental illness such as those examples of demon-possessed persons in the gospel accounts. Mankind is made to worship God, the Creator, but if you don't know God, then these spirits will fill in and take the place of God as nature abhors a vacuum.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Ah... Okay... But I was actually inquiring about what translation you might have in your Mother Tongue.

None, that's why I said, the only copy I had is a NKJV.

I can respect that, but at times, a bad translation can itself be a stumbling block.

That's why it is necesaary to have a Christian worldview and biblical narrative based on the Torah, to understand the origin of the universe, the nature of sin, the futility of human effort, and the need for salvation. If you have a view of the big picture, then a few pixelated parts on that picture wouldn't block you from seeing the main object that the picture is showing.

And we are right back to "whatever that means..." But if you plan to use a Sword in "SPIRITUAL WARFARE" one better know what that sword is.

Rhema

These days, "He created them male and female" (Gen. 1:27, Gen. 5:2, Matt. 19:4) is a pretty sharp sword, declaring that in public could drive a lot of folks mad.

 

[Rhema]

This depends on your definition of demon.

A sentient "invisible" creature, a conscious life-form, that can inhabit and live inside a human body, overriding the will and or consciousness of the person. I tend to call them "critters."

"Daimonios", the original word for demon, is an evil spirit of a false god.

I shall presume you meant G1142 δαίμων Diamōn.

(Daimonios is the adjective, not the noun, as in "demonic".)​

it could be manifested as some kind of a mental illness such as those examples of demon-possessed persons in the gospel accounts.

The demon-possessed persons in the gospel accounts were not mentally ill. That's an extremely modern interpretation into which modern Christians flee to avoid being scandalized or thought crazy by the world. I actually consider that teaching to be false. You'll never see them if you think they aren't there.

Look closely at all the NT accounts. Jesus knew the difference between possession by a critter and medical illness.

Ask me how I know. (Or perhaps you should not.)

Rhema

None, that's why I said, the only copy I had is a NKJV.

"had" ? or "have" ? ( You got me... I'm a stickler for linguistic precision.)

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

A sentient "invisible" creature, a conscious life-form, that can inhabit and live inside a human body, overriding the will and or consciousness of the person. I tend to call them "critters."

Those are real entities that are running the governments. They are the old gods like Baal, Ashorah and Meloch. When Christianity is out, they are in, on both individual and national level.

The demon-possessed persons in the gospel accounts were not mentally ill. That's an extremely modern interpretation into which modern Christians flee to avoid being scandalized or thought crazy by the world. I actually consider that teaching to be false. You'll never see them if you think they aren't there.

Look closely at all the NT accounts. Jesus knew the difference between possession by a critter and medical illness.

Ask me how I know. (Or perhaps you should not.)

Rhema

Again, that depends on your definition of demon. The way I see it, any cultist is demon possessed, that includes activists and preachers of all kinds of leftist ideologies. Some can still function normally in society, some have totally gone insane, they can't think about anything else, their mind is totally consumed. That transgender school shooter is definitely demon possessed, Satan is using such a person to persecute faithful believers. I don't wanna go too far on this rabbit trail, but you get the point.

"had" ? or "have" ? ( You got me... I'm a stickler for linguistic precision.)

Have. Got it from a friend at my church, and it's still the only one I have.

 

[Rhema]

Those are real entities that are running the governments.

WHY... oh why do people NOT believe Jesus?

(Matthew 28:18 KJV) And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power/authority is given unto me in heaven and in earth.​

It is this unbelief that allows the chaos of evil to run rampant across the face of the Earth. It's NOT that critters are running the governments, it's that the disciples of Xhrist have gone insane and jettisoned their faith. If not, then those devils would be subject to YOU (as a regent of Xhrist).

(Luke 10:17-20 KJV) And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.​

The way I see it, any cultist is demon possessed

Watch the way your finger points, because at this point you've not established that you are NOT a cultist yourself. (What cultist believes they are one?) It is quite likely that you and I may not agree on what composes the Gospel that Jesus taught. (But since we don't know, I might be wrong.) I'd suggest a PM conversation, but I'd rather your head not explode.

Have. Got it from a friend at my church, and it's still the only one I have.

Well then may I suggest a better one? A Greek Interlinear with the old KJV in the side margin (although these are hard to get without the horrid NIV stuffed in there).

The Interlinear Greek-English New Testament: Marshall, Alfred: 9780310203803: Amazon.com: Books

The Interlinear Greek-English New Testament [Marshall, Alfred] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. The Interlinear Greek-English New Testament

www.amazon.com

As mentioned, the books with only the Marshall text and the KJV are hard to find. Now if you don't mind having an NIV around (where you can plainly see just how cultist that translation is), then the book below is rather common:

The Interlinear KJV-NIV Parallel New Testament in Greek…

The Interlinear KJV-NIV Parallel New Testament does thr…

www.goodreads.com

These can be found for about $15 and I can assure you it is well worth it. (Marshall and I disagree in only about five places.)

Blessings,
Rhema

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

WHY... oh why do people NOT believe Jesus?

(Matthew 28:18 KJV) And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power/authority is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
It is this unbelief that allows the chaos of evil to run rampant across the face of the Earth. It's NOT that critters are running the governments, it's that the disciples of Xhrist have gone insane and jettisoned their faith. If not, then those devils would be subject to YOU (as a regent of Xhrist).

(Luke 10:17-20 KJV) And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven

Well I beg to differ, sir. Isn’t this the “dominion” heresy? That Christ is already ruling this world in heaven with his saints? Everything in Revelation is ancient history? And there’s no bodily second coming? So don’t vote, don’t fight, just behave as good boys and girls, read the Bible, attend church, enjoy the worship, pray fervently, and leave everything else to Christ, so you can join Him upon death, since “all authorities have been given to him”, “it is finished”? That’s the attitude is complacency that really leads to today’s chaos.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Watch the way your finger points, because at this point you've not established that you are NOT a cultist yourself. (What cultist believes they are one?) It is quite likely that you and I may not agree on what composes the Gospel that Jesus taught. (But since we don't know, I might be wrong.) I'd suggest a PM conversation, but I'd rather your head not explode.

Don't worry about that, a tree is known by its fruit, let God be the judge. He knows who's a blessing and who's a curse to the mission field, and the mission field who have come and tasted both the church's fruit and the cult's fruit know who's a blessing and who's a curse.

As mentioned, the books with only the Marshall text and the KJV are hard to find. Now if you don't mind having an NIV around (where you can plainly see just how cultist that translation is), then the book below is rather common:

Probablly not accessible in the where I live, but thanks for the recommendation anyway, God bless, brother.

 

[Rhema]

Well I beg to differ, sir. Isn’t this the “dominion” heresy?

No.

 

[Rhema]

Probablly not accessible in the where I live

Sounds like an excuse.

Where do you live?

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

No.

Well I hope so, because this surely sounds like that heresy.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Sounds like an excuse.

Where do you live?

Trust me, friend, I'm talking about paper copies. In where I live, I'm blessed to have this one hard cover of NKJV, and I tend to be grateful instead of picky.

 

[Rhema]

Well I hope so, because this surely sounds like that heresy.

Nah... I'm a different type of heretic.

Trust me, friend, I'm talking about paper copies. In where I live, I'm blessed to have this one hard cover of NKJV, and I tend to be grateful instead of picky.

Well... okay. I did notice the "Far East" referent, but that could be anywhere from India way over to Malaysia.

God bless your walk,
Rhema