Hearing God Speak to You, the difficulty of it.

[Bill]

I'm sure there are many people here that have heard God speak to them, or maybe not. But if you have experienced a moment where God speaks to you, it is so clear, the clarity of it is unreal. There is no doubt in a person's mind when God speaks.

The doubt only comes when others around you cannot believe, or you yourself cannot believe that God would actually speak to you.

We can look at Peter in the boat as a really great example of this. Jesus/God speaks to Peter, there is absolute Clarity in that. And God says to Peter come out on the water. And Peter complies to that and starts walking on the water. Then the doubt comes in he sees the world as it is the waves the water the wind whatever maybe his own doubts come creeping in of what you just heard what he just experienced and he starts sinking in the water.

It is exactly the same way with us, we hear the clarity of God in our hearts. Do we have the guts to share in forums like this, were the scrutiny of others maybe come hostile at times because they do not grasp the word that God has given to you?

 

[Charlie24]

I'm sure there are many people here that have heard God speak to them, or maybe not. But if you have experienced a moment where God speaks to you, it is so clear, the clarity of it is unreal. There is no doubt in a person's mind when God speaks.

The doubt only comes when others around you cannot believe, or you yourself cannot believe that God would actually speak to you.

We can look at Peter in the boat as a really great example of this. Jesus/God speaks to Peter, there is absolute Clarity in that. And God says to Peter come out on the water. And Peter complies to that and starts walking on the water. Then the doubt comes in he sees the world as it is the waves the water the wind whatever maybe his own doubts come creeping in of what you just heard what he just experienced and he starts sinking in the water.

It is exactly the same way with us, we hear the clarity of God in our hearts. Do we have the guts to share in forums like this, were the scrutiny of others maybe come hostile at times because they do not grasp the word that God has given to you?

God speaks to us in many ways, mainly through His Word, the Scripture.

Those who don't know God will say you should be wearing a straight/jacket and placed in one of those padded rooms where you can't hurt yourself.

But I know what you're talking about, Brother! Some choose to talk about it and others keep it to themselves.

 

[Bill]

God speaks to us in many ways, mainly through His Word, the Scripture.

Those who don't know God will say you should be wearing a straight/jacket and placed in one of those padded rooms where you can't hurt yourself.

But I know what you're talking about, Brother! Some choose to talk about it and others keep it to themselves.

The Holy Spirit teaches us what is not completed in the scriptures. As Jesus tells us, he has more to say but they were not ready at that time. Jesus states when the Spirit comes, then the Spirit will teach us.

 

[Charlie24]

The Holy Spirit teaches us what is not completed in the scriptures. As Jesus tells us, he has more to say but they were not ready at that time. Jesus states when the Spirit comes, then the Spirit will teach us.

Have to be careful on what is not recorded in Scripture. If someone begins to tell me God told them this or that, and I can't find it in Scripture, then I don't place much credit toward what I'm hearing.

God doesn't work that way! If there's not a foundation for it in Scripture then it shouldn't be spoken.

 

[Bill]

Have to be careful on what is not recorded in Scripture. If someone begins to tell me God told them this or that, and I can't find it in Scripture, then I don't place much credit toward what I'm hearing.

God doesn't work that way! If there's not a foundation for it in Scripture then it shouldn't be spoken.

It problably is in the scripture, our difficulty is our limitation to interpret the Word. Divine Mercy is a good example of that. I am not so versed in that teaching, but will ask a friend who is.

 

[Charlie24]

It problably is in the scripture, our difficulty is our limitation to interpret the Word. Divine Mercy is a good example of that. I am not so versed in that teaching, but will ask a friend who is.

The New Testament is the Old Testament revealed. There is nothing in the New that wasn't in the Old. Even the mystery of the New Covenant in Christ is found in the Old Testament.

During the days of the early Church things were taking place that aren't happening in that fashion today. The New Testament was being written and was not in circulation as it is today. We now, and for some time now, have the entire Word of God.

So if anything doesn't fall between those lines, it should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[Curtis]

Jhn 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

 

[Bill]

Jhn 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Exactly

 

[lentz]

The Holy Spirit teaches us what is not completed in the scriptures. As Jesus tells us, he has more to say but they were not ready at that time. Jesus states when the Spirit comes, then the Spirit will teach us.

Jesus told disciples the Spirit would teach THEM, then the disciples taught us in scripture.
If it doesn’t line up with scripture ,it’s not God speaking.

As been said again and again

 

[Brad Huber]

The New Testament is the Old Testament revealed. There is nothing in the New that wasn't in the Old. Even the mystery of the New Covenant in Christ is found in the Old Testament.

During the days of the early Church things were taking place that aren't happening in that fashion today. The New Testament was being written and was not in circulation as it is today. We now, and for some time now, have the entire Word of God.

So if anything doesn't fall between those lines, it should be taken with a grain of salt.

Was virgin birth in the old testament? Many disciples who loved God's word, left Jesus when he spoke John 6:51-52, they assumed Jesus was talking about flesh the way that we talk about flesh, and they knew the OT didnt speak of it, so they left him. These are just 2 instances that come to mind. So your speculation that everything that God has taught us in the past can be the ONLY things He can teach us now didnt follow that path you speak of. People are so resistant to the Holy Spirit, just like in Jesus's day. Just loving God's word isnt enough, as it wasnt enough for the pharisees, saducees, and teachers of the law.
Going AGAINST the clear word of God on what is good and bad, is always bad, but new teachings if they arent against scripture is possible truth, possible not truth, but only those with true discernment can weigh the matter with justice, and there isnt a lot of said justice in the christian world when it comes to anything new.

 

[Curtis]

Was virgin birth in the old testament?

Isa 7:14 All right then, the Lord himself will give you the sign. Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel (which means ‘God is with us’). (NLT)

 

[Brad Huber]

Isa 7:14 All right then, the Lord himself will give you the sign. Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel (which means ‘God is with us’). (NLT)

but it had never happened, but I agree with you in this case, I forgot about that, but the religious scripture loving people wouldnt have believed it, thats why it was kept silent and Joseph raised Christ as his own. Although you are correct, my point is still valid. Jesus WAS persecuted regularly by the scripture loving religious ppl by saying "new" things, even when they were in scripture, but misinterpreted, dont you think thats a possibility in this day and age?

 

[Bill]

The new teaching that Jesus taught, the blessing of the bread and the wine as the body and blood of Jesus, was written in the scripture and symbolism but not understood. The subject of the bread that came from heaven for instance that was given to the Israelites after they came out of Egypt, and the water that came from The Rock, that was later revealed to be Jesus in the New Testament.

 

[Bill]

The New Testament is the Old Testament revealed. There is nothing in the New that wasn't in the Old. Even the mystery of the New Covenant in Christ is found in the Old Testament.

During the days of the early Church things were taking place that aren't happening in that fashion today. The New Testament was being written and was not in circulation as it is today. We now, and for some time now, have the entire Word of God.

So if anything doesn't fall between those lines, it should be taken with a grain of salt.

Just to let you know, there are things that are written in the Old Testament that have not come to pass yet, some of the Prophecies of the Old Testament that have not happened yet.

But there is also a lot of teachings especially in the Psalms, that are always being revealed even to this day.

 

[Charlie24]

Was virgin birth in the old testament? Many disciples who loved God's word, left Jesus when he spoke John 6:51-52, they assumed Jesus was talking about flesh the way that we talk about flesh, and they knew the OT didnt speak of it, so they left him. These are just 2 instances that come to mind. So your speculation that everything that God has taught us in the past can be the ONLY things He can teach us now didnt follow that path you speak of. People are so resistant to the Holy Spirit, just like in Jesus's day. Just loving God's word isnt enough, as it wasnt enough for the pharisees, saducees, and teachers of the law.
Going AGAINST the clear word of God on what is good and bad, is always bad, but new teachings if they arent against scripture is possible truth, possible not truth, but only those with true discernment can weigh the matter with justice, and there isnt a lot of said justice in the christian world when it comes to anything new.

Christ was present but hidden in the Old Testament. The New Testament revealed who He was. There were many things about Christ they didn't understand when He came, just as there are many things about Him now that we don't understand.

I wasn't saying every single detail is found in the Old Testament, I'm saying The New Testament only reveals what was in the Old, and gives us more clarity. It's the subject matter that is found in the Old Testament, and the details in the New.

You can take off on a rant over this and say whatever you like, but at least understand what I'm saying.

 

[Charlie24]

Just to let you know, there are things that are written in the Old Testament that have not come to pass yet, some of the Prophecies of the Old Testament that have not happened yet.

But there is also a lot of teachings especially in the Psalms, that are always being revealed even to this day.

It's estimated that about half of the prophecies found in the Bible are yet to come.

In the Psalms, David is a type of Christ. Many of his words are the exact words Christ said and are found in the Gospels.

 

[lentz]

Just to let you know, there are things that are written in the Old Testament that have not come to pass yet, some of the Prophecies of the Old Testament that have not happened yet.

But there is also a lot of teachings especially in the Psalms, that are always being revealed even to this day

Only prophecies in old testament that haven’t come to pass as yet,are those only dealing with latter days/tribulation/ millennium.
All of those are also covered in Revelation,so still nothing new to come about.

 

[Brad Huber]

Christ was present but hidden in the Old Testament. The New Testament revealed who He was. There were many things about Christ they didn't understand when He came, just as there are many things about Him now that we don't understand.

I wasn't saying every single detail is found in the Old Testament, I'm saying The New Testament only reveals what was in the Old, and gives us more clarity. It's the subject matter that is found in the Old Testament, and the details in the New.

You can take off on a rant over this and say whatever you like, but at least understand what I'm saying.

I am not ranting, I emphasize some things that I know people tend to discount. And the thing about the flesh of Christ being consumed wasnt found in the old testament. Just like you brought up some instances and failed to address that, so does everyone else. If they dont understand something, they refuse to answer on the subject, or like some they call it foolishness or say the times of miracles and such is over when there is no indication in scripture that that would ever happen until ALL things fail but those three special things. The same happened at the time of Jesus. There was 400 years of silence (but was there really silence) before John the baptist came on the scene, so after hundreds of years since the last properly recorded miracle occured (or is that false also), many have fallen into the same trap that happened to the jews of the time of Jesus.

 

[Charlie24]

I am not ranting, I emphasize some things that I know people tend to discount. And the thing about the flesh of Christ being consumed wasnt found in the old testament. Just like you brought up some instances and failed to address that, so does everyone else. If they dont understand something, they refuse to answer on the subject, or like some they call it foolishness or say the times of miracles and such is over when there is no indication in scripture that that would ever happen until ALL things fail but those three special things. The same happened at the time of Jesus. There was 400 years of silence (but was there really silence) before John the baptist came on the scene, so after hundreds of years since the last properly recorded miracle occured (or is that false also), many have fallen into the same trap that happened to the jews of the time of Jesus.

Oh boy, Catholicism and Christ being consumed. What is that they say about the Eucharist, the bread and the wine become the body and the blood?

John 6:51
"I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."

The bread symbolizes the essentials for physical life, Christ is the spiritual bread that is essential for spiritual life.

The symbol of this bread both physically and spiritually in the Old Testament is the manna that came down from heaven.

"Christ is the bread that came down from heaven."

 

[Brad Huber]

Oh boy, Catholicism and Christ being consumed. What is that they say about the Eucharist, the bread and the wine become the body and the blood?

John 6:51
"I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."

The bread symbolizes the essentials for physical life, Christ is the spiritual bread that is essential for spiritual life.

The symbol of this bread both physically and spiritually in the Old Testament is the manna that came down from heaven.

"Christ is the bread that came down from heaven."

First you quote john 6:51 and then decide what it means to you. Ergo, your own guess, or what someone else has guessed for you. It is not the consumption of flesh in the way of cannibalism that most protestants rightly cannot see God doing or promoting such a thing. It is uncorrupted flesh that can be consumed in the Eucharist. Miraculously transformed by a person of faith who believes it to be so. The bread does not change appearance, and it does not need to be a priest who does it, as it simply needs a man of faith who believes it to be so. God give grace to those christians who can only associate it with cannibalism, but do the bread and wine as a symbol only. I am not catholic, but this is one thing they are right on. And people, protestant christians, want to hate catholics because and other things they dont want to see the truth of. I dont know about all things catholic and which are true or not, but I know this is true.