Hearing God Speak to You, the difficulty of it.

[Charlie24]

It's not me you disagree with but the what is written in the book.

Well then, who are the modern Apostles that God is performing these miracles through, is it you and Bill?

Are you the other witness with Bill we read about in Revelation?

 

[watertolive]

You don't even know me but yet you're comparing me with the Pharisees! All because I disagree.

Do you see that, or am I wasting my time?

Did you not say you stand with lentz and don't believe one can hear from God, or miracles are present today? Cause if you're standing with lentz your in agreement with that
Y'all put God in a box and cannot believe, then God will not presence Himself with your unbelief.
That's what I'm staying.
And just as Christ told them, an evil and adulerous generation seek a sign and there shall be no sign given it but the sign of Jonah.
REPENT!!! of your unbelief, confessing your sins to God, and perhaps He will introduce Himself to you too. One must do it with an open, earnest heart, as a little child, able to be taught and not thinking they know everything.
The same gifts as I have received He offers to ALL.
Bless God always.

 

[Charlie24]

Did you not say you stand with lentz and don't believe one can hear from God, or miracles are present today? Cause if you're standing with lentz your in agreement with that
Y'all put God in a box and cannot believe, then God will not presence Himself with your unbelief.
That's what I'm staying.
And just as Christ told them, an evil and adulerous generation seek a sign and there shall be no sign given it but the sign of Jonah.
REPENT!!! of your unbelief, confessing your sins to God, and perhaps He will introduce Himself to you too. One must do it with an open, earnest heart, as a little child, able to be taught and not thinking they know everything.
The same gifts as I have received He offers to ALL.
Bless God always.

I repent when I know I've sinned. I hope you are in practice of doing the same.

I'm with lentz in seeing something wrong in your posts, as I have said.

So don't come with this twist on words.

I'm still wondering if you are the other witness in Revelation. Are you?

Also still wondering If God performs miracles by your hand as He did with the Apostles in Scripture?

 

[watertolive]

Well then, who are the modern Apostles that God is performing these miracles through, is it you and Bill?

Are you the other witness with Bill we read about in Revelation?

Well He has had me to lay hands on a cancer patient sick with fever, the fever broke immediately, and she jumped up and started cooking. Lol

I am a witness for God everyday, as you, and all His kids should be.
But no I have not been told anything that I am one of the two witnesses. No.

 

[watertolive]

I repent when I know I've sinned. I hope you are in practice of doing the same.

I'm with lentz in seeing something wrong in your posts, as I have said.

So don't come with this twist on words.

I'm still wondering if you are the other witness in Revelation. Are you?

Also still wondering If God performs miracles by your hand as He did with the Apostles in Scripture?

There has been no twist in words, the only twist is within your own mind.
Even if you saw it, right before your eyes, you would still not believe.

 

[Charlie24]

Well He has had me to lay hands on a cancer patient sick with fever, the fever broke immediately, and she jumped up and started cooking. Lol

I am a witness for God everyday, as you, and all His kids should be.
But no I have not been told anything that I am one of the two witnesses. No.

So you would agree that the age of miracles that we read about in Scripture with God performing these miracles through the hands of man is no longer the way God performs miracles, at least in that fashion.?

 

[watertolive]

So you would agree that the age of miracles that we read about in Scripture with God performing these miracles through the hands of man is no longer the way God performs miracles, at least in that fashion.?

No I don't agree with that.
You need to read the post as I wrote it.
God still uses His kids, just like He did then.
God has not changed! People has stayed further away from Him; not all, but the majority.
Many are called, but few are chosen.
To be chosen by God, like Paul, I don't believe you understand what that really means.
Your carnal mind immediately attacks us, you think, we think, we're something special and above you.
Not so.
But rather as the Lord said, I will show Paul how great things he must SUFFER for my name's sake.
Do you know what that means? To suffer for His name's sake.

 

[Charlie24]

No I don't agree with that.
You need to read the post as I wrote it.
God still uses His kids, just like He did then.
God has not changed! People has stayed further away from Him; not all, but the majority.
Many are called, but few are chosen.
To be chosen by God, like Paul, I don't believe you understand what that really means.
Your carnal mind immediately attacks us, you think, we think, we're something special and above you.
Not so.
But rather as the Lord said, I will show Paul how great things he must SUFFER for my name's sake.
Do you know what that means? To suffer for His name's sake.

Ok, if God still performs His miracles the same as He did with the Apostles, when was the last time you seen the man of God lay his hands on the dead and they revived? When was the last time you seen the man of God lay his hands on the crippled and they were totally healed right there on the spot?

Do you understand the context of the Scripture that God never changes?

 

[watertolive]

It does not bother me that you don't believe my testimonies in Christ. I pray you come to believe in the Word of God. If you can believe the Word, and earnestly seek the kingdom of God first, everything else will come; even your spiritual baptism of the Holy Ghost. He has a baptism to be baptized with.
Your unbelief in miracles is limiting what God will do in your life. God is a gentleman, He does not force Himself on anyone.

 

[watertolive]

Ok, if God still performs His miracles the same as He did with the Apostles, when was the last time you seen the man of God lay his hands on the dead and they revived? When was the last time you seen the man of God lay his hands on the crippled and they were totally healed right there on the spot?

Do you understand the context of the Scripture that God never changes?

Yes, God never changes.
You ask me questions that has created your unbelief; not mine.
Yes, I laid my hands on a woman with cancer, sick with fever, the fever broke immediately and she jumped up and started cooking.
If you can not receive my witness of a personal testimony; how will you believe what I have seen others do?
As one has faith in themselves miracles happen.
Not my faith, but their own power to believe.
It is not my own power, but God's.
There is no power, but of God.
One can do nothing of themselves, but (with God), all things are possible.
Very important (with God).

 

[Charlie24]

It does not bother me that you don't believe my testimonies in Christ. I pray you come to believe in the Word of God. If you can believe the Word, and earnestly seek the kingdom of God first, everything else will come; even your spiritual baptism of the Holy Ghost. He has a baptism to be baptized with.
Your unbelief in miracles is limiting what God will do in your life. God is a gentleman, He does not force Himself on anyone.

I'm pretty sure most of us understand that God is still in the miracle business, and that He doesn't perform those miracles in the same way now as He did in the pages of Scripture. I would think you haven't a clue as to why!

I'm not limiting God, you're just not being upfront with the truth!

 

[Bill]

Because (they) are earthly and can only believe in what (they) can see, taste, touch, hear, and smell.
(They) have not been born from above.
And unless (they) be converted and become as a little child, (they) shall not see the kingdom of God.

I never look at it that way, we have to remember, not all who walk in God are the same. Just look at the early days of the Apostles, any conflicts that took place for instance when Paul was first called to be Paul. And he was doing the preaching for the Lord and yet the other apostles didn't see it that way they had to be proven to them. They had to have witnesses prove it that he was actually in the Lord. Or like the argument that took place between Paul and Peter you know they're there were disagreements even among the apostles even after they had received the gift of the Holy Spirit even after they had received the anointing of the Holy Spirit there was still disagreements that had to take place. It just shows that not everybody is always in agreement even though people do have the gifts of spirit.

 

[Charlie24]

Yes, God never changes.
You ask me questions that has created your unbelief; not mine.
Yes, I laid my hands on a woman with cancer, sick with fever, the fever broke immediately and she jumped up and started cooking.
If you can not receive my witness of a personal testimony; how will you believe what I have seen others do?
As one has faith in themselves miracles happen.
Not my faith, but their own power to believe.
It is not my own power, but God's.
There is no power, but of God.
One can do nothing of themselves, but (with God), all things are possible.
Very important (with God).

We agree on one thing, I don't receive your your witness of personal testimony!

 

[Bill]

When I hear a person's testimony I can tell the depth of it by the way the spirit of God Moves In Me

This movement of the Holy Spirit is something that we should all strive for. We recognize it within ourselves as the movement of the Holy Spirit, and everybody experiences some movement at some point the problem is in learning to recognize that movement.

The simplest movements that we experience, are those that you get when you encounter someone that is either walking in the Darkness or walking in the Lord. If a person is walking in the Darkness you will immediately feel kind of a yucky sensation and if a person is walking in the Lord you will immediately feel a sensation of warmth and love.

It is important to recognize the first sensation, because the devil is always trying to deceive. So when a person that you experience a particular Sensation from always listen to the first experience. Because the second experience will be something to cast doubt on the first. The movement of the holy spirit will always come first and the movement of the devil will always come second.

Even though you may experience a yucky feeling from somebody that walks in the Darkness, as you grow deeper in the Lord and deeper in the spirit the first Sensation that you will get from that person will be of one of reaching out to that person. The second Sensation that you will get when you are deeper in the Lord is doubt. If you want to understand this all you have to do is look at Peter walking out of the boat. The first sensation he had was to do what the Lord told him to do step out of the boat and join Jesus which he did. The second movement that came to him came from the darkness which was doubt.

 

[watertolive]

I'm pretty sure most of us understand that God is still in the miracle business, and that He doesn't perform those miracles in the same way now as He did in the pages of Scripture. I would think you haven't a clue as to why!

I'm not limiting God, you're just not being upfront with the truth!

I'm pretty sure...you said... He doesn't perform those miracles in the same way; limiting God because of your own unbelief.
You haven't seen it for yourself, so anyone saying they have is a liar...?

I stood under a tent at revival.
The town drunk showed up.
Preacher was preaching, good Word; and all of a sudden the town drunk, walking toward him, screams out, And I say you is the devil!!!
Preacher, standing on stage, and I could tell he was listening; preacher says, And God said; he's listening again; And God says...listening again; And God says you gonna dance, pointing his finger at him. That drunk man's body commenced to dancing, uncontrollably, dancing.
Preacher went on with the Word.
Pretty soon drunk man fell to the floor up front, and laid there for awhile. When that man came up he was sober as a rail, and was changed instantly.
From that point he served the Lord and never drank again. You would see him all over town, still riding his bicycle, talking to anyone who would listen about what God had did in his life.
Testifying of that night.
Guess what some people, perhaps people like you and lentz, didn't believe him. He didn't care they didn't believe, then he would ask if he could pray for them.

 

[Bill]

There is no doubt in my mind, that every person here on this thread has experienced the movement of the Holy Spirit at one time or another Even Lentz, has experienced the movement of the Holy Spirit. And although he doesn't recognize it fully as the movement of the Holy Spirit he has recognized a spiritual experience. This is why I know that even though Lentz says what he says, that I can still see through that, and no worries at in the Lord

 

[watertolive]

I never look at it that way, we have to remember, not all who walk in God are the same. Just look at the early days of the Apostles, any conflicts that took place for instance when Paul was first called to be Paul. And he was doing the preaching for the Lord and yet the other apostles didn't see it that way they had to be proven to them. They had to have witnesses prove it that he was actually in the Lord. Or like the argument that took place between Paul and Peter you know they're there were disagreements even among the apostles even after they had received the gift of the Holy Spirit even after they had received the anointing of the Holy Spirit there was still disagreements that had to take place. It just shows that not everybody is always in agreement even though people do have the gifts of spirit.

Yes brother I know.

 

[watertolive]

We agree on one thing, I don't receive your your witness of personal testimony!

And that's fine with me; you have not hurt me in anyway.
I will pray for you.

 

[Charlie24]

I'm pretty sure...you said... He doesn't perform those miracles in the same way; limiting God because of your own unbelief.
You haven't seen it for yourself, so anyone saying they have is a liar...?

I stood under a tent at revival.
The town drunk showed up.
Preacher was preaching, good Word; and all of a sudden the town drunk, walking toward him, screams out, And I say you is the devil!!!
Preacher, standing on stage, and I could tell he was listening; preacher says, And God said; he's listening again; And God says...listening again; And God says you gonna dance, pointing his finger at him. That drunk man's body commenced to dancing, uncontrollably, dancing.
Preacher went on with the Word.
Pretty soon drunk man fell to the floor up front, and laid there for awhile. When that man came up he was sober as a rail, and was changed instantly.
From that point he served the Lord and never drank again. You would see him all over town, still riding his bicycle, talking to anyone who would listen about what God had did in his life.
Testifying of that night.
Guess what some people, perhaps people like you and lentz, didn't believe him. He didn't care they didn't believe, then he would ask if he could pray for them.

No, afraid not. I'm limiting man!

If we don't realize that the New Testament has revealed the truth in the Old, we lose the purpose of the full cannon of Scripture.

The line that draws the purpose becomes blurry and we make man the object rather than God.

 

[Charlie24]

And that's fine with me; you have not hurt me in anyway.
I will pray for you.

This old sinner needs all the prayer he can get.

I may be faultless in God's eyes but only the fool can see perfection in himself.

It's only by the Grace and Mercy of God that I'm not in hell right now, where I should be!