Hell ... I've always struggled with this concept.

[Ivan Chamurliev]

I am most happy that could be of help! The basis is in many scriptures not just the ones I quoted. "we love because God loved us first" "In love there is forgiveness of a multitude of sins"
13 And so there remain Faith, Hope, Love -- these three; and of these the greatest is Love.
Luke 6:27 ¶But I say to you who give ear to me, Have love for those who are against you, do good to those who have hate for you
"God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that we might live."
If there is one conclusion I have come to over the years of reading the Bible it is that Jehovah is a God of love, compassion, great patience he is not one who
desires to give pain and suffering.
For mankind the lake of fire means death that is what I believe but even with all Satan has done I do not believe that God wants him to suffer eternal punishment anymore than us. But as God knows everything....not one hair falls from your head that God does not know or a sparrow falls from the sky. "I knew you before the creation of the world" Even with a way out of that suffering Satan will endure eternal pain and suffering rather than death "the wages of sin!" So although God does not say that he has provided a way out of the pain and suffering for Satan and his demons, from what I know of God I can not believe he did not.
God bless you and yours

I do not mean to offend you or anyone, but what we believe or not many times doesn't change facts and obviously we need to be more biblical and find our answers there, and if we can't then we need to keep on looking. This applies to me too.

 

[William L. P.]

We are all born innocent. With no knowledge of anything let alone good or evil. It is the world that corrupts us.

This is not entirely true sin is also inherited and the basis of sin is the law for a baby this is true to the degree it reaches the age where it KNOWS good and evil.
The knowledge is where sin came from and God has written the law upon our hearts so that we can not claim we did not know. The world does corrupt us but only
if we let it! By the same token the knowledge of God is in our hearts and God will give everyone a chance to know him. Some will accept that privilege and then choose
the way of the world anyhow, some will hold fast to that knowledge. Eve was deceived by Satan, Adam was not he made a choice.
"And Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and transgressed."
Romans 5:12-14
Death through Adam and Life through Christ
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, in this way death spread to all men, because all sinned. In fact, sin was in the
world before the law, but sin is not charged to a person’s account when there is no law. Nevertheless, death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who
did not sin in the likeness of Adam’s transgression. He is a prototype of the Coming One.

 

[William L. P.]

I do not mean to offend you or anyone, but what we believe or not many times doesn't change facts and obviously we need to be more biblical and find our answers there, and if we can't then we need to keep on looking. This applies to me too.

I have found my answers in the the Bible as I have used the Bible to show where my reasoning comes from. One does not have to agree with me but the logic I use is sound. The bread in the temple was forbidden to eat, it was and example
David and his mean ate this bread and yet the law forbid it. We are to learn from the Bible the ways of God he is not uncaring or inflexible but.... somethings there is NO flexibility, Jesus Christ is one of these. So I have my answers and I
am confident God does not disapprove of them I do not require you to believe as I do but I find comfort in my belief as do others we each must PRAY to God for understanding because in the end God teaches and gives understanding.
They tried to condemn Jesus for healing on the sabbath using the teaching of the Bible but he said if your donkey fell in a hole on the sabbath would you no work to get him out how much more to help someone on the sabbath. Did the Bible say that it was ok to heal on the sabbath before Christ. No but by using the teachings of God you should KNOW that it would be acceptable. I believe everything in the Bible when things appear not to agree I hunt for understanding and there are some instances in the Bible that at first glance APPEAR to be in conflict with others. I have found they are not if you look at the whole Bible. It is the most complex book ever written it has confounded the wisest of men and found understanding with some of the simplest of people. This is because GOD is who gives understanding and he does not give the understanding all to one person to grow in knowledge and understanding we must listen to all, then see that it does not conflict the Bible. I believe I have worked hard to meet that criteria. So I stand by what I say and I believe it true "I do not believe in a God of merciless punishment" "My God is loving, compassionate, long suffering, is willing to hear the cries of the sinful man"
God bless and keep you and yours

 

[Ivan Chamurliev]

I have found my answers in the the Bible as I have used the Bible to show where my reasoning comes from. One does not have to agree with me but the logic I use is sound. The bread in the temple was forbidden to eat, it was and example
David and his mean ate this bread and yet the law forbid it. We are to learn from the Bible the ways of God he is not uncaring or inflexible but.... somethings there is NO flexibility, Jesus Christ is one of these. So I have my answers and I
am confident God does not disapprove of them I do not require you to believe as I do but I find comfort in my belief as do others we each must PRAY to God for understanding because in the end God teaches and gives understanding.
They tried to condemn Jesus for healing on the sabbath using the teaching of the Bible but he said if your donkey fell in a hole on the sabbath would you no work to get him out how much more to help someone on the sabbath. Did the Bible say that it was ok to heal on the sabbath before Christ. No but by using the teachings of God you should KNOW that it would be acceptable. I believe everything in the Bible when things appear not to agree I hunt for understanding and there are some instances in the Bible that at first glance APPEAR to be in conflict with others. I have found they are not if you look at the whole Bible. It is the most complex book ever written it has confounded the wisest of men and found understanding with some of the simplest of people. This is because GOD is who gives understanding and he does not give the understanding all to one person to grow in knowledge and understanding we must listen to all, then see that it does not conflict the Bible. I believe I have worked hard to meet that criteria. So I stand by what I say and I believe it true "I do not believe in a God of merciless punishment" "My God is loving, compassionate, long suffering, is willing to hear the cries of the sinful man"
God bless and keep you and yours

You said: " My God loving, compassionate, long suffering, is willing to hear the cries of the sinful man"
Amen for that. I totally agree with you at this point. I just think that God will not judge someone before giving him opportunity. Or God will judge people based on what they know. And this doesn't make him a merciless judge. Rather makes him the most righteous judge ever existed a difference to many other judges in this world. And I didn't agree with you for the statement about the devil and the demons. Therefore I disagreed with you just in part. This is what I think.

 

[BlessedBeyondBelief]

Alot of people get this wrong....

Hell is not burning forever.

Hell is when you are separated from God and there is NO chance of repentance. That designation is forever. THere is no coming back from that....Then you are burned up in the like of fire and cease to exist.

Like if you were to harvest your crop. You keep the good and throw out the bad. Hell is when you are set for permanent destruction.
The parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew 13:24-30, Jesus gives a perfect picture of this.

It would be contradictory to Gods character to be merciful yet punish temporal deeds with eternal anguish. People just use misinterpretation and fear mongering to pervert what the scripture actually says.

 

[Spazz]

I still think that we have to make choices. The concept of predestination is way too high for us to know or think about it. The Bible speaks about choices and in base of these choices we will have to answer. And obviously God knows the future, but our part here is to decide or have atleast the right attitude about these choices and He can make us able to do it. He is always trying to warn us or lead us in the right way, but there is our part too and in base of that we can be hardened or soften our heart and this is His work too. But many times He looks at our disposition. He is so great that He is already in the future, but we will still gonna be asked for our choices, because we live here in the present.
Deuteronomy 30:14,15,16 " See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil. "...
This is what I think about it.

I have no idea what you’re talking about.

 

[Ivan Chamurliev]

I have no idea what you’re talking about.

I was just saying that our choices matter aswell.

 

[Spazz]

I was just saying that our choices matter aswell.

Oh yeah then I agree with that. I was just saying that God sees all of our choices that we will and probably won’t make in the future, and those choices lead like a path to either heaven or hell. These paths are fixed like bricks, but we have the option to choose either path.

 

[Ivan Chamurliev]

The hell is not an eternal place ? If this makes us to believe or draw closer to Christ then well.... , but if makes us do whatever we wish then we need to be very careful with that. Anyway it wasn't the thought of hell for me that made me believe at first. It did come later along the way. I only know that the Bible warns us of certain things and that won't be for sure a pleasant place. So we need to walk in His path. That's the best for us for this life and for the future one.

 

[William L. P.]

You said: " My God loving, compassionate, long suffering, is willing to hear the cries of the sinful man"
Amen for that. I totally agree with you at this point. I just think that God will not judge someone before giving him opportunity. Or God will judge people based on what they know. And this doesn't make him a merciless judge. Rather makes him the most righteous judge ever existed a difference to many other judges in this world. And I didn't agree with you for the statement about the devil and the demons. Therefore I disagreed with you just in part. This is what I think.

God will reveal himself to everyone and they all will be given the opportunity to accept Jesus Christ...NONE will be missed before Christs return the Gospel will be preached to the entire world. We as an Individual choose to follow or not. I sometimes worry about my children these days but in the end they have to choose just like me "they know the truth but they still have to walk it too". And I can place no one before God in my life as it is with all Christians.
I knew the part you disagreed with me on it is one that is up for interpretation and like I said you will not find it in the Bible as a statement it is more of a personal belief formed from how I see God. The law has to be fulfilled: The wages of sin are Death. Satan on the other hand is immortal so the only way he could die is in a manor such as Jesus to take human form and die in that manor never to rise again because he has already been judged. To take human form was forbidden because of the angels taking human form and having sex with mortal women. The result were the Nephlim. I think in Gods compassion even there he would lift that ban and give Satan and the demons the option to accept the punishment for sin: Death
Refusal leaves no other option but to make that punishment eternal. And I also think that option will forever be available to them should the suffering become to much they can choose death. But either way it is a fair judgement and punishment.
And in saying they will suffer eternal punishment he is saying what God already knows they would rather suffer eternally than submit to God's judgment. I am never offended by what any might say I have learned EVERYONE has something they can teach you but to learn you have to listen.
God bless you and yours

 

[Samson2020]

Please reconcile these verses with the above writings. I ask you for this simply because everything written must fit into the same outcome or ending.

Col 1:20 "And having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile ALL THINGS UNTO HIMSELF; by him, I say , whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven." These would include thrones, principalities, dominions, and powers as stated in vs 16.

1 Cor 15:21-26
"For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam ALL DIE, even so in Christ shall ALL be made alive. But EVERY MAN in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christs at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have PUT DOWN ALL RULE AND ALL AUTHORITY AND POWER. For he must reign, till he hath put ALL enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."
Rev 20:14 tells us that death and hell were cast in to the lake of fire together. But as death is the last enemy to put under his feet, hell must be put under him first. Which screams the question where are all those souls who are supposed to be in an eternal hell if it no longer exists(no longer an enemy)?

Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offense of one(Adam) judgement came upon ALL MEN to condemnation; (Gods judgement) even so by the righteousness of one(Jesus Christ) THE FREE GIFT CAME UPON ALL MEN TO JUSTIFICATION OF LIFE." (Gods judgement again). Shall anything change his mind?

Or is our understanding of the SECOND DEATH wrong?

 

[William L. P.]

Please reconcile these verses with the above writings. I ask you for this simply because everything written must fit into the same outcome or ending.

Col 1:20 "And having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile ALL THINGS UNTO HIMSELF; by him, I say , whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven." These would include thrones, principalities, dominions, and powers as stated in vs 16.

1 Cor 15:21-26
"For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam ALL DIE, even so in Christ shall ALL be made alive. But EVERY MAN in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christs at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have PUT DOWN ALL RULE AND ALL AUTHORITY AND POWER. For he must reign, till he hath put ALL enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."
Rev 20:14 tells us that death and hell were cast in to the lake of fire together. But as death is the last enemy to put under his feet, hell must be put under him first. Which screams the question where are all those souls who are supposed to be in an eternal hell if it no longer exists(no longer an enemy)?

Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offense of one(Adam) judgement came upon ALL MEN to condemnation; (Gods judgement) even so by the righteousness of one(Jesus Christ) THE FREE GIFT CAME UPON ALL MEN TO JUSTIFICATION OF LIFE." (Gods judgement again). Shall anything change his mind?

Or is our understanding of the SECOND DEATH wrong?

There are many works that can help give insight into the scriptures and many are free to anyone who wishes to use them.
One is OliveTree it is available for almost any application, pc, android, ios It is a very powerful study tool. It is free as well! Commentary, Bibles, works written by many people not all are free but a very large amount are.
Commentary will track the Bible as you read and scroll through it. I would recommend it to anyone who wishes to study in depth the Bible but does not have unlimited funds to spend on material. In the end no amount
of material can teach everything because as the Bible says teaching and understanding comes from God. I read I study I pray for understanding. "Jameson, Fausset and Brown commentary is a good free commentary"

 

[Samson2020]

William,
I was asking you to make those verses, I gave, fit into your writings. As if you saw what I see then you would not have written what you wrote.

Lastly the Holy Ghost is my teacher, my guide, my comforter. And as John says in 1 John 2:27 that if I have him I NEED NOT THAT A MAN SHOULD TEACH ME.

We are told that if we continue in his word than we shall know the truth and the truth shall set us free. Are you really FREE in that you belive the majority of the humans that god created he is just fine with letting them suffer eternally because they made the WRONG CHOICE with actually no knowledge to base their choice on?

 

[William L. P.]

No1 I don't believe that mortal man will suffer eternal punishment nor did I state that. I do believe that Satan and the Demons at least some of them will it is very clear that the Anti Christ, the Beast and Satan will. Many stated and believe that
to fail to be in the book of life you will suffer eternal punishment along with Satan. If you read what I have said I was very clear as to what I believe and I included scriptures. This discussion started over the misconception that they were taught
"Eternal Punishment". It is nothing new MANY believe that including Pastors, and leaders in the church's I have heard it many times over the years. I spent a lot of time reading and discovering for myself what I believe! I am not some scholar I am
a very simple man and a sinner unworthy of Christ's Sacrifice. But that has caused me to spend MANY hours reading and studying the bible. I have felt I have to understand some things that seem in contradiction to God's teachings of other things
Love, compassion. As for the things I recommended there are many works by many people over the years "from Godly men" that is why we have a Bible. "Gods word has power" but those words were written by mortal men. He put a system in
place that we might use it. It is not a insult towards you or anyone else! Truthfully I did not fully understand what you were asking for, my fault sometimes I am slow to catch on to what someone is saying. Everything I see and read I do not believe.
I weight everything that people say against the Bible just as God says we should. If it contradicts the Bible I throw it out. But I have found the tools that I mentioned to be a great benefit not just to me but others as well because I share that knowledge with anyone who will listen. "IT IS A VERY POWERFUL TOOL" not unlike the Bible. For that matter I have a dozen different Bibles in the program all commonly used, so I can compare what different ones say. Because of this I will not use some Bibles because I believe some have strayed from Gods word. I see things like "Eternal Punishment" as a stumbling block it gives a misconception of who God is. As for the person who posted the message I do not believe he believes in eternal punishment anymore either: "Thank you William. You have helped me more than I can ever say. Eternal hell fire is for Satan and his demons... And the wages of sin for man is simply death. Thank you my brother. "
God Bless and keep you and yours

 

[Ivan Chamurliev]

I just found some verses speaking about the lake of fire. Revelation 19:20 "Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshipped his image. These were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone."
Revelation 20:10 "The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."
Revelation 20:14
Revelation 20:15
"And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire"
I found these verses and then I saw that the devil was cast there, but also those who are not written in the book. So my question is: are there two lakes of fire? Because we see that not only the devil ended there. I'm not being hateful, pessimistic, bitter or trying to scare anybody. I am just stating what I believe and I think I need to say it. I think is worth considering this too. As a warning. I am open to receive a correction. From God aswell. At the end isn't it such a great love that saves us from such a horrible place. There is shown how great is His love. Being ready to die for us so that whoever believes can escape the condemnation. God doesn't want people to go to hell, that's not His desire. So He tries everything possible to stop them.
You can also read Matthew 25:41
As I was stating before in some of my previous posts, God sometimes does things because of His nature of doing, not because he just decides things. He is not like a man. He is also a loving father aswell. With a mercy way higher than ours. I am just stating what I believe. I am just being open about it. Many things we can not an we will not understand, but one day we hope everything will be revealed.

 

[Hekuran]

I just found some verses speaking about the lake of fire. Revelation 19:20 "Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshipped his image. These were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone."
Revelation 20:10 "The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."
Revelation 20:14
Revelation 20:15
"And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire"
I found these verses and then I saw that the devil was cast there, but also those who are not written in the book. So my question is: are there two lakes of fire? Because we see that not only the devil ended there. I'm not being hateful, pessimistic, bitter or trying to scare anybody. I am just stating what I believe and I think I need to say it. I think is worth considering this too. As a warning. I am open to receive a correction. From God aswell. At the end isn't it such a great love that saves us from such a horrible place. There is shown how great is His love. Being ready to die for us so that whoever believes can escape the condemnation. God doesn't want people to go to hell, that's not His desire. So He tries everything possible to stop them.
You can also read Matthew 25:41
As I was stating before in some of my previous posts, God sometimes does things because of His nature of doing, not because he just decides things. He is not like a man. He is also a loving father aswell. With a mercy way higher than ours. I am just stating what I believe. I am just being open about it. Many things we can not an we will not understand, but one day we hope everything will be revealed.

I find these verses troubling too. I'm trying to get a deeper understanding by going through the Bible and thinking through all the passages where fire is prominent. (flaming sword in the Garden of Eden, Moses' burning bush, fires of judgement, pillar of fire in the Exodus, chariots of fire for Elisha). Fire symbolises different things in different situations. I think it boils down to three broad things - judgement and destruction, the presence of God, and purification.

It seems to me that there's no good reason to conclude that anyone will be cast into a fire to be burned for ever without relief.

Better to read it as judgement and destruction for those who reject Jesus. Still, it's a terrifying image and meant to be a severe warning for us all.

 

[Samson2020]

I would like to throw out an answer to the questions.
First of all the idea of an eternal punishment for those that did not CHOOSE Jesus in not what I would consider good news (Gospel).
Lets consider that no man can come to the Son except the Father call him. So it's Gods responsibility to first call all men, the question is when does he choose to do that? I know that you will say he has called all but that can't be because the Son was not introduced and a New covenant put in place until 2,000 years ago and man has been on plant earth roughly 6,000 years. So how do we account for the humans that were born and died before Jesus came. This is going to sound a bit strange at first but bear with it.
All the things thrown into the Lake of Fire are things that are here on Earth today. Right? So is it possible that what is being said is that the time of good and evil, that knowledge, starts over again. In other words sin rules the world unto death for a large majority of people but God has another group of Elect that he will call unto the Son in that period we call the second death. Now why do we need the grave in the second death if people are only going to suffer eternally in spirit form, they can't be spirit in spirit form and need a grave. Why would we need the false prophet(false religion) unless people were to be led astray, why would we need the beast (government),why would we need Satan there unless he had a job to carry out. Big misconception here as we find in Job that Satan carries out what God has for him to do, he is not at war with God for he is a mere creation of God. Similar to your toaster trying to take over you. It's not going to happen and neither is Satan at war with God. He is a tempter and was created for that purpose to pull you away.

Isaiah 54:16 "Behold I have created the smith that blows the COALS IN THE FIRE, and that brings forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy." This is SATAN, ask God.

Assume that since there is a second death there must be a first. Thats what were in right now, but yet only a few of the humans are being selected for Holy Ghost baptism. Remember that the 144,000 that come with him are CALLED, CHOSEN, FAITHFUL, AND LOVED NOT THEIR LIVES UNTO DEATH. The first 2 parts they had nothing whatsoever to do with in the earning of being called and chosen (predestined, foreordained etc...) and it's highly unlikely they would take any credit for the other 2 pieces of being Faithful or loving not their lives unto death.

Any way there comes a time when the Sons of God are glorified at the beginning of the 1,000 year reign. They then rule with Jesus over whatever mankind is left(it's gonna be a small number at first). Then we have a second resurrection, the resurrection of the dead that were not chosen and are not written in the book and are thus cast into the lake of fire, along with everybody that was left after the tribulation that the Lord and his Lords ruled over even though they saw him and the others in their glorified states, however before they, the dead, are cast in they are granted the privilege of SEEING JESUS. Every knee bows, every tongue confesses .Oh what could have been if they had only made the right choice, I can hear the hell fire and damnation folks saying. The problem was they were never called unto the Son for God is not concerned with everybody right now, he's only concerned with maturing a small group initially in the first death. These are they who are more blessed because they were able to believe without seeing and come to a higher glorification than those that must see to believe. But this too is Gods choice not any mans. Remember these are KINGS and LORDS that are JOINT-HEIRS with the Lord Jesus himself.

Now we drop a nugget and hope that we don't get slaughtered for this. Remember line upon line and precept upon precept and it would take a lot longer post than I'm gonna do to explain it but take it and go with it as you read scripture to see how all scripture has to fit into the plan that God had initially for ALL mankind.

Isaiah 59:20 "And the Redeemer(JESUS) shall come to Zion(true congregation of brothers), and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord. 21- As for me, this is my covenant with them saith the Lord; MY SPIRIT THAT IS UPON THEE(JESUS) (reference Isaiah61:1), and my words which I have put in thy mouth,(reference John 14:10) shall not depart out of the mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy SEED, nor out of the mouth of thy SEEDS SEED, saith the Lord from henceforth and for ever."

These verses answer many questions. We know he's talking to Jesus initially and says that the Lord Jesus will have SEED. What? Those whom are the firstfruits unto God are that Seed, those who were the recipients of the Holy Ghost during the first death.
Now ask yourself this question. How is it that the SEED of JESUS has SEED of THEIR OWN? Think on that for a moment.Is it possible that through their perfecting and having become fully mature Sons(which God himself does) that God gives them the power to baptize in the HOLY GHOST just as he did Jesus. Don't run just yet.
God baptized only Jesus and he became JESUS CHRIST at that moment a new creature. God then never baptized another as he passed that responsibility or should i say privilege to his only begotten Son. Now after the glorification of the first fruits group of Sons that have been purified etc... is it possible that they then are allowed to give of the never ending life that they have obtained to those whom God calls in the second death, just like Jesus is doing now? Would this answer the question as to how the seed of Jesus has seed? I won't extrapolate that you can do that yourself. And if you do you'll see more than just 2 death periods within the plan.

I do not claim to know the number of souls that have existed on the earth or the number that will have existed by the time God finishes his plan.
But in this scenario the parable of the seeds being fruitful, 30, 60, 100 fold brings on a fresh thought. If you start with 144,000 plus 1 then multiply times 30 then times 60 then times 100 you get a number close to 26 billion if we assume these numbers are exact. Thats a lot of children that God will some day have, and a magnificent family to give him unprecedented joy, for it will be the culmination of his original WORD that was sent into the world to accomplish his will.

Before responding too critically please consider Romans 5:18, 1 Timothy 4:9-11, Colossians 1:20, as a minimum to establish that the reconciliation of everything must happen, and that it was Jesus who paid the price for God to decree that ALL men are justified unto life, just as it was Adam that caused God to decree that ALL men were condemned. AND NEITHER ONE OF THESE ACTIONS HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF US BECAUSE WE WEREN'T EVEN BORN YET.

IT WOULD TAKE A BOOK TO EXPLAIN ALL THIS AND THERE IS ONE CALLED THE BIBLE. HAPPY HUNTING AND MAY GOD BLESS YOU WITH THE EYES TO SEE WHAT HIS PLANS ARE. KEEPING IN MIND ALWAYS THAT TRUTH SETS ONE FREE. IT DOES NOT BRING YOU INTO CAPTIVITY.

Can there be any more freedom than what was laid out before you in the above post? I know it takes YOUR CHOICES out of the equation but GOD has a much better ending for us ALL than anyone can imagine. And seeing that the potter has control over the clay, let HIM make of US what HE will, because he's gonna do it regardless of your objections. I don't know of any specific time in my life that he asked me for advice, how about you?

Praise the Lord indeed!!!!!!

 

[Headcasey669]

1 Corinthians chapter 13... All about love... I had to stand at the podium in church and read this verse at my best mates wedding... unfortunately he married a very horrible person that has no idea what love is or what love is even about... A horrible woman that told her own 7 year old son when he saw an advert to help war torn refugees to come here and be helped that they should just go back to there own country and die... And we are taking about little babies and toddlers .. women and children.... my best mate.. well he used to be.. he was nothing like that... isn't it ironic that I am a total creature of love ... And i had to read 1 Corinthians chapter 13 to this evil woman at her wedding....

 

[Headcasey669]

I just found some verses speaking about the lake of fire. Revelation 19:20 "Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshipped his image. These were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone."
Revelation 20:10 "The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."
Revelation 20:14
Revelation 20:15
"And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire"
I found these verses and then I saw that the devil was cast there, but also those who are not written in the book. So my question is: are there two lakes of fire? Because we see that not only the devil ended there. I'm not being hateful, pessimistic, bitter or trying to scare anybody. I am just stating what I believe and I think I need to say it. I think is worth considering this too. As a warning. I am open to receive a correction. From God aswell. At the end isn't it such a great love that saves us from such a horrible place. There is shown how great is His love. Being ready to die for us so that whoever believes can escape the condemnation. God doesn't want people to go to hell, that's not His desire. So He tries everything possible to stop them.
You can also read Matthew 25:41
As I was stating before in some of my previous posts, God sometimes does things because of His nature of doing, not because he just decides things. He is not like a man. He is also a loving father aswell. With a mercy way higher than ours. I am just stating what I believe. I am just being open about it. Many things we can not an we will not understand, but one day we hope everything will be revealed.

With a mercy way higher than ours... if so he could instantly rehabilitate all offenders.. after all he is the alpha and the omega... isn't he yes or no??.?

 

[Ivan Chamurliev]

With a mercy way higher than ours... if so he could instantly rehabilitate all offenders.. after all he is the alpha and the omega... isn't he yes or no??.?

I think that if we were in His place we would've reacted differently. And He is not a man as we are and He doesn't take decisions the same way we do. Most of the times we can't stand at something that is uncomfortable to us or goes against our principales. But He didn't. He endured trough it. He showed His love by sending His Son for us. Anyway I don't think that is the thought of hell that makes us believe or follow Jesus. It didn't happen like that to me in the beginning. I was pulled by others things and qualities of God that helped me to believe. And this is what we need to focus more on, knowing obviously the other part. What I am saying is that is not for the fear of hell that someone follows Jesus. There are many people aswell that have the knowledge of it but don't do. As it says in 1John 4:18 " There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love. " It is His love.