Hell's Population Clock

[Sue D.]

You know where the lake of fire is? There is one in every star in the universe, and perhaps more in the black holes which gobble up stars.

Where do you get your information? About there being one in every star in the universe?

The lake of fire and brimstone is mentioned in Rev. 20:10 "The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. vs 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each according to his works vs 14 Then death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire This is the second death.. vs 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire."
According to vs 13, there are those who believe that there are different levels of torment -- depending on how horrible of a person the non-believer was. Or maybe --the person who just put off salvation until it was just too late. They weren't really all that Bad of a person --just never accepted Christ.

 

[Sue D.]

@ Adziillii

There's the passage that says --just as Jonah was in the belly of the whale for three days and three nights , so will the Son of Man be in the belly of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights.

Biblically, there's nothing that says that Jonah ever died in the fish's belly. We Do have his prayer that he prayed and then he was vomited back out onto dry land.

Being in the belly of the great fish was 'like the belly of Sheol'. But no one Dies in hell or the lake of fire and brimstone. Everyone is very much alive and suffering. Absence of God -- His light -- His love.

Chapter 1: 15 "So they picked up Jonah and threw him into the sea, and the sea ceased from its raging. vs 17 "Now the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow Jonah."

"(there's reason to believe that Jonah was already dead from drowning,....) -- another words 'speculation' -- doesn't mean it's true.

Yes, there Are some similarities between Jonah and Jesus Christ. Jonah is called a type of Christ. Jesus Did actually die on the cross. He Gave His life -- took our sins upon Himself and died with them. But He also went to Abraham's bosom -- preached one last sermon to those in the 'hell' part and took those in Paradise's side back up with Him. So those who have died in Christ since then are automatically With Jesus Christ forever.

Jonah and Jesus Christ were busy people during those 3 days. Jonah was busy praying to God the Father. And Jesus Christ was busy going to hell in our place and coming back up again with believers who were dead in Christ.

Jonah was 'resurrected' when he was spewed back out onto dry land. And Jesus Christ was bodily resurrected Proving that He was indeed the Son of God and not simply another religious teacher of that day who had died.

You started out your post 18 by speculating about evolution. How long mankind has been on this earth. Evolutionists speculate around 300,000 years or so. That is to rule out Genesis creation taking place in the 6 , 24-hr days that God tells us.
And, yes, it Does matter. Because God's Word tells us exactly how long it took. We Do have a young earth compared to hundreds of thousands of years old.

You mentioned an unruly existence in hell. The thousands of people who will be bickering, arguing, etc, etc. Without God's light -- there will be total darkness. God provides the light for this world. Have you ever experienced total darkness, such that you can't see your hand in front of your face? I have. No fun. I was with a carload of college students driving home for Christmas vacation. One of the stops was a student's family farm home. No street lights -- I had an upstairs room, the people closed the bedroom door for my privacy. A totally strange house. I woke up in middle of night needing the bathroom. Unfortunately -- totally dark. I could see Nothing, Lots of times a person's eyes will adjust to the dark , but That didn't happen. I couldn't even see my hand in front of my face. I HAD to wait a while until there was even a little light. Ever since then, I HAVE a night-light on. Might not be much -- but I WILL have a little light.

Not much interaction with 'all your friends' when you're surviving in a lake of fire and brimstone.

And maybe part of the punishment will be remembering all the times your Christian friends Tried to warn you -- they shared the Gospel unto salvation with you and you scoffed at them. You'll remember all the times you Could have accepted Christ and Refused to.

The 'you' is meant in a generally speaking way not personally.

Then again Are you a born-again believer?

 

[Brad Huber]

Where do you get your information? About there being one in every star in the universe?

The lake of fire and brimstone is mentioned in Rev. 20:10 "The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. vs 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each according to his works vs 14 Then death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire This is the second death.. vs 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire."
According to vs 13, there are those who believe that there are different levels of torment -- depending on how horrible of a person the non-believer was. Or maybe --the person who just put off salvation until it was just too late. They weren't really all that Bad of a person --just never accepted Christ.

LOL! Stars are a giant fiery furnace, flames shooting out the perimeter and deeper down and some on the outside, Plasma, simple science, Plasma is basically liquid fire.

 

[Sue D.]

@ Brad Huber -- Nope -- no simple science about where the Biblical Lake of Fire and brimstone is located. Nice try, though.

 

[Brad Huber]

@ Brad Huber -- Nope -- no simple science about where the Biblical Lake of Fire and brimstone is located. Nice try, though.

I didnt say it was located there. You assumed that. I simply said there is a lake of fire in every star. But.... you also cant prove that its definately not, you are just afraid that I am trying to deceive you, and so insinuate that I must be wrong. Its so sad sometimes to see christians assume the worst in others.

 

[Adziilii]

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● Ps 146:3-4 . . Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

Some people honestly believe the passage above teaches that people cease to exist when they pass away; but were their belief true, then Jesus would've ceased to exist when he passed away on the cross and in order to restore the Lord's body back to life, it would've necessary to create him back to existence. No; I'm pretty sure it's saying something very different. It's not talking about consciousness. Here's a much better way to say it.

"When their breathing stops, they return to the earth, and in a moment all their plans come to an end."

Consider all those people who perished in the World Trade Center, in the Japan and Indonesia tsunamis, and the Haiti earthquake. None of them woke that day planning on it being their last on earth. No, on the contrary; they had people to see, places to go, and things to do: but before the day ended; whatever was on their minds lost its importance-- their priorities went right out the window and became no more significant than green cheese on the moon.

All their plans, their dreams, their schedules, their appointments, their schemes, their problems, their aspirations, and their loves went right down the tubes as they were suddenly confronted with a whole new reality to cope with.

While preparing for a new world tour, Michael Jackson died in his sleep. As a result; his tour wrapped on the spot.

When my eldest nephew was paroled from prison; he quit drinking, and began going to college with the goal towards becoming a counselor. For 2½ years all went well. His parole officer was happy, and my nephew was on track and getting good grades. His future looked assured. And then on the morning of Sept 25, 2015, he dropped dead to the floor of natural causes. As a result; his college education, and his hope to become a counselor, dropped dead to the floor right with him.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 4 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 234,112 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Aug 11, 2018.
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[Sue D.]

I didnt say it was located there. You assumed that. I simply said there is a lake of fire in every star. But.... you also cant prove that its definately not, you are just afraid that I am trying to deceive you, and so insinuate that I must be wrong. Its so sad sometimes to see christians assume the worst in others.

You know what's kind of sad -- is that you're taking this subject of Hell -- so flippantly. Like -- so what if a lot of people are ending up there.

Your flippant comments regarding hell are encouraging at least Me to consider that at least Some of your ideas Are wrong and to - in turn - assume that Maybe you don't believe that the lake of fire and brimstone is something to be taken seriously.

And 'this' Is a forum where we 'Talk Jesus'. Whatever that means to You. The death, burial and bodily resurrection OF Jesus Christ is what gives mankind the opportunity to stay Out Of hell / future lake of fire and brimstone.

Your two comments = each other. Obviously IF there Is a lake of fire in every star -- then it's Assumed that you believe that That is where THE Biblical lake of fire and brimstone IS located. ( possibly some Logical Fallicies somewhere in your comment)

Well - Are you trying to deceive 'me' or anyone else who is reading this topic of discussion?

I don't know that you Are a Christian -- I know that I am.

Getting back to the topic at hand. God's Word / Scripture / mentions the lake of fire and brimstone just once -- in the end of Revelation. After the White Throne judgement -- we read that satan (serpent, devil) will be caste into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and false prophet already are.

All that Scripture tells us about is Abraham's bosom and that 'hell' is still there -- as well as the non-believers from Old Testament times as well as now // The other side was Paradise -- where the born-again believers went Before Jesus Christ rose bodily from the dead. Actually there Is the account of Lazarus and the rich man. Both of the men die and the rich man finds himself in 'hell' and is in torment -- asks for even a drop of water for his tongue to help ease his discomfort. And then is asking for someone / Anyone to please warn his other brothers who are still alive that hell is a very real place AFTER all. Nothing to laugh at or joke around about. He didn't want his other brothers to end up in the pain and agony that he is presently and will continue too experience.

Does that particular lake exist Now? Yet? We aren't told. We aren't even told where it is. Or will be located. But we Do know it will be real when people end up there. Some speculate that it will be in the center of the earth. And we Are told that this present earth will be destroyed by fire. The New Jerusalem will be brought down from heaven by God, Himself.

What we Do know is that God's presence will Not be there. God is light -- so without God there will be complete darkness. And That lake of fire and brimstone Won't Ever Go Out. People Won't die. Anyone who ends up there will be alive There Forever. Have you ever experienced Total darkness. Like 'can't see your hand in front of your face'?

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Your two comments = each other. Obviously IF there Is a lake of fire in every star -- then it's Assumed that you believe that That is where THE Biblical lake of fire and brimstone IS located. ( possibly some Logical Fallicies somewhere in your comment)

Well - Are you trying to deceive 'me' or anyone else who is reading this topic of discussion?

@Sue D.

From reading brother @Brad Huber comments, I think he explained that he was stating that every star has a lake of fire from a scientific point of view.

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Getting back to the topic at hand. God's Word / Scripture / mentions the lake of fire and brimstone just once

The topic of this thread is not the lake of fire....it is Hells Population Clock.

At first it may be considered a slightly strange thread.

However, if one reads it carefully and takes it in.....it is a very sobering message....how many lives are lost each day at the drop of a hat.
How many opportunities to share the Word do we miss as we fly through life.

 

[Adziilii]

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No Saviour,

Here in America, even the worst among the worst have the right to a lawyer, and if they can't afford one, the system will appoint a public defender for them.

But in hell; people are abandoned. For example: the names of Abraham and Lazarus are given in Luke 16:19-31, but the rich man's name isn't given. He's a forgotten man; but not me.

● Rom 8:33-34 . . Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus who died? More than that, who was raised to life; who is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us?

I will not stand before God alone; but that nameless rich man? He will.
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[Sue D.]

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Here in America, even the worst among the worst have the right to a lawyer, and if they can't afford one, the system will appoint a public defender for them.

But in hell; people are abandoned. For example: the names of Abraham and Lazarus are given in Luke 16:19-31, but the rich man's name isn't given. He's a forgotten man; but not me.

● Rom 8:33-34 . . Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus who died? More than that, who was raised to life; who is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us?

I will not stand before God alone; but that nameless rich man? He will.
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In latest post # 30 -- it starts out with Fragrant Grace and 'no Savior'. I was looking back to find where she said that. Don't find it.

You're right about 'here in America' -- everyone having a right to a lawyer or public defender -- as / if needed.

BEFORE a person dies and ends up in hell / or being with Jesus Christ forever, we've been given directions, in God's Word / Bible / as to How to Stay Out of hell and be able To Be with Jesus Christ (heaven).

Revelation says that Everyone will be giving an account of himself to God. No exceptions.

Everyone Will stand before God After their death -- before ending up where ever their salvation- or lack of -will be 'sending' them.

There are no 'forgotten' people in this world -- either in the Old Testament or Now or in the future.

Just a thought -- Maybe the rich man's name isn't given Because his earthly riches were keeping him From acknowledging his need. People with Lots of money tend to think they can 'buy' anything. Actually Scripture says that it's the LOVE of money that's the basis of all evil. A clue that the Love of money is Not the route we want to go. Money can't buy inner peace / our ticket to heaven.

And that passage is giving mankind a clue as to how bad hell is going to be -- lake of fire and brim stone being even worse.

No one is being abandoned -- everyone Does have a choice to make While alive here on earth. Everyone Does have a chance / opportunity To having Jesus Christ as our mediator between us and God. Jesus Christ Can be our 'lawyer / public defender'.but only as we choose to have Him be. God won't force Himself on Anyone. He Does give us our options and we choose.

The nameless rich man won't stand before God alone, either. No one will.

So - yes, there IS a Savior. A person simply needs to Accept Him As their personal Savior.

 

[B-A-C]

The nameless rich man won't stand before God alone, either. No one will.

Just wondering if you have scripture for this? Christians have an advocate. Do the unsaved?

 

[Sue D.]

Just wondering if you have scripture for this? Christians have an advocate. Do the unsaved?

The passage I was talking about Rev. 20:11 - 14. We're All going to give an account at the great white throne judgement. Believers for how they've lived their lives Since their salvation. At the time of their salvation, their sins have been covered by Jesus Christ -- our advocate. So they won't Loose their salvation. But they Might be ashamed at How they've lived their lives at times.

We/ Individually / are going to either heaven or hell for eternity. It depends on what we do / individually/ with the gift of God's salvation. Does the individual accept or reject it?

 

[Fragrant Grace]

The nameless rich man won't stand before God alone, either. No one will.

Greetings @Sue

I dont think you answered @B-A-C's question in the your last post.

Who will be standing with the nameless rich man?

Is there any scripture that says that he (and the unsaved in general) will not stand before God alone?

Correct me if I am wrong but I dont think there is.

Please make sure you back up your posts with scripture Sue, in the same way that you expect others to (referring to your comments earlier in the thread to our brother Brad H)

 

[Sue D.]

Adz -- was commenting at first about the huge numbers of people ending up dying and ending up in hell every day. He brought up the passages that talks about the small gate by which a small number of people will find and enter into God's presence. But the much larger, easier to find gate in leading people to hell.

You'd commented on him being really Big on numbers.

All of a sudden he brings up the passage about the rich man and Lazarus and Abraham's bosom. He was upset that Lazarus had Abraham but the rich man didn't even have a name and had No one. And that That wasn't going to be "him"
He was comparing That to the legal system -- that Everyone has a lawyer to stand up with them before a judge -- even a court appointed one. So that No one has to stand before an earthly judge by themselves. Well -- there Are people who opt to stand up for themselves before the judge.

Rereading my comment -- I did miss-speak. Every person is individually responsible to God for their actions / words. The point of that passage is that the rich man -- once in eternity -- Realized the truth -- it was too late for Him, but he wanted someone / anyone to tell / warn his brothers of Their pending fate. The rich man -- who ever he was -- made it into Scripture -- for us to learn from. So - what Are we learning.

Regarding Abraham's bosom -- Abraham was a real person -- and Abraham's bosom is a Biblical term. And hell is on one side of and Paradise is on the other side Of and a great gulf separates the two places.
But I'm not really sure that Abraham was a companion of Lazarus. It's definitely part of God's Word , but I really don't 'fully grasp' that concept.

In the Old Testament -- upon death -- people Did experience 'hell and Paradise' ---- right now -- in This life -- we don't fully understand many Biblical concepts. Once we're in 'eternity' we will.

@ #26 -- only God knows how many days / years any person will be on this earth. I suspect that Society has gotten So far Away from God's Word and that He is In Charge that we put off until 'tomorrow' the really important decisions -- the most important is accepting Jesus Christ as our personal Savior. That is the only one that has eternal consequences / value. Our education, marriage, being drunk or staying sober. Taking drugs or not. Those Are important. Well -- the drinking and drugs -- those will impair our judgement. They destroy our brains / bodies.

Are our churches getting so off track with the Gospel unto salvation -- that we're becoming passive? Are we getting so caught up in evolutionary thought that we believe we're only really very evolved animals and that God's Word is archaic and 'who really cares about it" --- because That mindset is encouraged and it's Dangerous.

There Have been testimonies of people who'd spent several to Many years in drugs / alcohol and THEN came to Christ -- the change in their lives was immediate -- people came to Christ when they saw the change.

And the World Trade Center and other mass casualty events. Who really knows how many of them were believers. and how many became believers as a result OF.

The passage in Revelation that I included -- everyone answers for him / her self.

 

[Adziilii]

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We're All going to give an account at the great white throne judgement.

According to the text of Rev 20:11-15, only the dead will be called to account at the great white throne event. In point of fact; the dead are mentioned four times there while the living aren't mentioned even once.

I am not one of the "we're all" for whom you speak because I and my fellow believers are not among the dead, rather; we are among the living. (John 5:24)
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[Sue D.]

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According to the text of Rev 20:11-15, only the dead will be called to account at the great white throne event. In point of fact; the dead are mentioned four times there while the living aren't mentioned even once.

I am not one of the "we're all" for whom you speak because I and my fellow believers are not among the dead, rather; we are among the living. (John 5:24)
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Well -- considering we are alive and on here -- we Are among the living.
John 5:24 "I tell you the truth, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not be condemned: he has crossed over from death to life."

Fine -- goodnight.

I was just going by what that passage was saying " And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. 'Another book was opened , which is the book of life."

vs 15 "If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."

I Thought we were talking about people who Died.

 

[Adziilii]

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Well -- considering we are alive and on here -- we Are among the living.

Not everyone alive is among the living. According to John 5:24, the living are defined as people who have eternal life. The dead, then, would be defined as people who don't have eternal life.
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[Adziilii]

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Creeping up the blind side, shinning up the wall,
stealing through the dark of the night.
Climbing through a window, stepping to the floor
checking to the left and the right.
Picking up the pieces, putting them away;
something doesn't feel quite right.

Help me someone, let me out of here.
Then out of the dark was suddenly heard:
Welcome to the Home by the Sea

Coming out the woodwork, through the open door,
pushing from above and below.
Shadows with no substance, in the shape of men;
round and down and sideways they go.
Adrift without direction, eyes that hold despair
then as one they sigh and they moan:

Help us someone, let us out of here.
Living here so long undisturbed,
dreaming of the time we were free
so many years ago
before the time when we first heard:
Welcome to the Home by the Sea

Sit down . . Sit down
As we relive our lives in what we tell you

Images of sorrow, pictures of delight
things that go to make up a life.
Endless days of summer, longer nights of gloom
waiting for the morning light.
Scenes of unimportance, photos in a frame
things that go to make up a life.

Sit down . . Sit down
Cause you won't get away,
no; with us you will stay
for the rest of your days.
So sit down as we relive our lives in what we tell you.
Let us relive our lives in what we tell you.

Home By The Sea
Genesis, 1983
Phil Collins, Tony Banks, Mike Rutherford

The lyrics of that song are useful for depicting how one of the few thing that some people have to do down in the discomfort zone to help pass the time is tell each other about their previous lives. There is, of course, nothing to tell about their lives down there since the colloquialism "get a life" is a non sequitur in that place. Nobody has a life; nor any hope of getting one.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 6 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are in the ball park, then something like 351,168 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since Aug 11, 2018.

NOTE: The US 25¢ piece is .069 inch thick. 351,168 quarters would make a stack 2,019 feet tall; surpassing the total height of Manhattan's new One World Trade Center on by 227 feet.
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[Christ4Ever]

@B-A-C and @Adziilii

If you'd like I can move the last two postings (39 & 40) into a new thread on "Predestination"?
Just let me know.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
Moderator
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Greetings brother @Christ4Ever
Good idea :smile:
I just went ahead moved the posts and created the new thread.....otherwise the post would sit inviting responses....and wander off topic....particularly as there are a few leaning towards calvinism here.

Blessings