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How can Jesus be God, yet not know things?

Check out Php 2:5-10NIV. I think it shows that Paul did a pretty good job of getting his head arround this issue. The bottom line is that Jesus, when He came to Earth, temporarily surrendered control of His powers and priviledges as God. His miracles were worked through the power of the Holy Spirit working in Him.

SLE
Here is something that contunues to intrigue me:

And yet the mystery is eternal. Jesus is God yet different and set apart. The below scripture even suggests that in the end, when all is accomplished by Christ, he steps down to some degree:

1 Corinthians 15:28
When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all. <!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
 
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Where are you getting this information, WaterRock? The killing of Saul and his son Jonathan is what is noted in First Samuel and Jesus, the second Person of the Triune Godhead, has always existed.

Spirit Led Ed (SLE)
 
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When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

I believe the reference is to Jesus as Son of Man, which would make it a confirmation of His role as Lord and Savior. Its an honor, not a downgrade.

SLE
 
I believe the reference is to Jesus as Son of Man, which would make it a confirmation of His role as Lord and Savior. Its an honor, not a downgrade.

SLE

The use of the word "downgrade" is yours, not mine!

Please explain the below, " The Son will step down" and how you arrive at your conclusion....Thank you in advance :
1 COR 15
<SUP>21-28</SUP>There is a nice symmetry in this: Death initially came by a man, and resurrection from death came by a man. Everybody dies in Adam; everybody comes alive in Christ. But we have to wait our turn: Christ is first, then those with him at his Coming, the grand consummation when, after crushing the opposition, he hands over his kingdom to God the Father. He won't let up until the last enemy is down—and the very last enemy is death! As the psalmist said, "He laid them low, one and all; he walked all over them." When Scripture says that "he walked all over them," it's obvious that he couldn't at the same time be walked on. When everything and everyone is finally under God's rule, the Son will step down, taking his place with everyone else, showing that God's rule is absolutely comprehensive—a perfect ending!
 
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i have several things come to mind about this topic of Jesus being the son and God and yet not knowing something. but specific to the knowing of the hour read this sripture and meditate on it. From now on I call you not servants; for the servant knows not what his lord does: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known to you. thats john 15:15. i think that it wasnt for man to know the hour and so there was no reason for jesus to know. as a man that is.
we are made in his likeness and image. in every way. there is the father the word and the holy ghost. with humans ther is a body (soma) a mind (psyce) and a spirit(pneuma). Now Jesus is refered to as "The Word of God" in revelations and the first chapter of john. I have pondered many hours What the Father is. I kinda know the holy spirit because its in me. I have also thought that the father/son thing is used so that man CAN have something to understand being as we are physical finite beings with the limitations of our brains only using 10 percent of capacity. and also having the spirit world hidden from our eyes.
God is (so) awesome (we are baffled and in wonder and amazement in him).
I am so glad i know him.
 
This is a pretty intense question.

My view is that Jesus aka The Word... is basically sitting at the right hand of God aka The Father, and waiting for the command to return.

From what The Bible tells us. The Father knows ALL things. And Jesus DOES all things.

Regardless... I'm enjoying the forums so far
God Bless

Things are going to start getting crazy in this country, and around the world. Be ready... Come together. And stop doing as the world does. You DON'T need to "fit in" with all the junk out there.
 
Jesus is a great mystery. He was always the infinite one true God. God cannot change. What changed was how He manifested Himself to humans.

1 Timothy 3:16 (NKJV)
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.
 
Jesus is a great mystery. He was always the infinite one true God. God cannot change. What changed was how He manifested Himself to humans.

1 Timothy 3:16 (NKJV)
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.


"For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool."

Two here!

"But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

Two here also!

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;"

And two here!

So do we just throw these scriptures, and all of the rest like them out, just to make mans doctrine work?
 
"For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool."

Two here!

"But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

Two here also!

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;"

And two here!

So do we just throw these scriptures, and all of the rest like them out, just to make mans doctrine work?


So do we just throw these scriptures, and all of the rest like them out, just to make mans doctrine work?

Eccl12vs13'

Why do you keep bringing this " man's doctrine"?


These below verse are "only" a few that state that Jesus is God!

How do "YOU" answer them them?

<TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif; MARGIN-LEFT: auto; FONT-SIZE: 100%; MARGIN-RIGHT: auto" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=t_verse vAlign=top>6</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 100%" class=t_text vAlign=top>For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace Isaiah 9:6

Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Isaiah 44:6


<TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif; MARGIN-LEFT: auto; FONT-SIZE: 100%; MARGIN-RIGHT: auto" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=t_verse vAlign=top>23</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 100%" class=t_text vAlign=top>Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Matthew 1:22


<TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif; MARGIN-LEFT: auto; FONT-SIZE: 100%; MARGIN-RIGHT: auto" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=t_verse vAlign=top>8</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 100%" class=t_text vAlign=top>Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=t_verse vAlign=top>9</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 100%" class=t_text vAlign=top>Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? John 14:8-9

<TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif; MARGIN-LEFT: auto; FONT-SIZE: 100%; MARGIN-RIGHT: auto" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=t_verse vAlign=top>8</TD><TD style="WIDTH: 100%" class=t_text vAlign=top>I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Revelation 1:8</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>




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So do we just throw these scriptures, and all of the rest like them out, just to make mans doctrine work?

Eccl12vs13'

Why do you keep bringing this " man's doctrine"?


These below verse are "only" a few that state that Jesus is God!


I know that Jesus is God...never said otherwise. Jesus is just the ONLY God man has ever known.

God the Father will not dwell with man until ALL is complete; meaning there will be no more flesh and blood man. God the Father ONLY deals with spirit beings. God the Father will have no dealings with man until ALL are in His likeness; ALL are spirit beings!

Rev.21
[3] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.


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I know that Jesus is God...never said otherwise. Jesus is just the ONLY God man has ever known.

God the Father will not dwell with man until ALL is complete; meaning there will be no more flesh and blood man. God the Father ONLY deals with spirit beings. God the Father will have no dealings with man until ALL are in His likeness; ALL are spirit beings!

Rev.21
[3] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.


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Sure would like to know where that is in the scriptures.
 
I know that Jesus is God...never said otherwise. Jesus is just the ONLY God man has ever known.

God the Father will not dwell with man until ALL is complete; meaning there will be no more flesh and blood man. God the Father ONLY deals with spirit beings. God the Father will have no dealings with man until ALL are in His likeness; ALL are spirit beings!

Rev.21
[3] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God


God the Father will not dwell with man until ALL is complete

There is no foundation for that and your verse in Revelation does not support it either!
 
God the Father will not dwell with man until ALL is complete

There is no foundation for that and your verse in Revelation does not support it either!

Can you quote me a scripture that states God the Father will dwell with man BEFORE all are spirit beings?

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Your the one who needs to post some scripture.

Rev.21
[3] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
[4] And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.


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I know that Jesus is God...never said otherwise. Jesus is just the ONLY God man has ever known.

God the Father will not dwell with man until ALL is complete; meaning there will be no more flesh and blood man. God the Father ONLY deals with spirit beings. God the Father will have no dealings with man until ALL are in His likeness; ALL are spirit beings!

Rev.21
[3] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.


The resurrected Jesus Christ is God and God dwells in us as promised by the New Covenant!

Jesus is just the ONLY God man has ever known.

Not true.

Many have know the Father before Jesus came; too many to try and qoute but, then again Jesus has always been with God and has been God.
<SUP>1</SUP> In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. <SUP id=en-NIV1984-26037 class=versenum>2</SUP> He was with God in the beginning. John 1 :1


Moses was pretty much up close and personal with God:

<SUP>21</SUP> Then the LORD said, “There is a place near me where you may stand on a rock. <SUP id=en-NIV1984-2496 class=versenum>22</SUP> When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by. <SUP id=en-NIV1984-2497 class=versenum>23</SUP> Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen.” Exodus 33: 21-23

I wish you would get your facts straight!
 
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Moses was pretty much up close and personal with God:

<SUP>21</SUP> Then the LORD said, “There is a place near me where you may stand on a rock. <SUP id=en-NIV1984-2496 class=versenum>22</SUP> When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by. <SUP id=en-NIV1984-2497 class=versenum>23</SUP> Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen.” Exodus 33: 21-23

I wish you would get your facts straight!

Wait a minute.....who was this that Moses was able to see?

Jesus said NO MAN has seen God the Father!

John 1
[18] No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

So who was it that Moses saw?

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