How Is Jesus Presenting Us As Saved in According to Our Faith?

[JesusIs4Me]

This is how Jesus is presenting us as saved in according to our faith in Him.

Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

That is why Paul refers to the rest in Jesus Christ as ceasing from all works as He has done His in having made us His.

Hebrews 4:1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.........9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Salvation is separate from discipleship because Jesus Christ has laid the foundation which can never be removed and that seal of adoption is forever that our Father in Heaven can never cease to be our Father.

Discipleship goes to what we have built on that foundation for why the call to every one having His seal, even former believers ( 2 Timothy 2:11-13 KJV ), is to depart from iniquity ( 2 Timothy 2:18-21 KJV )so they too can obtain the eternal glory that comes with our salvation which is in Christ Jesus ( 2 Timothy 2:10 ) and that is to be received as a vessel unto honor in His House at the pre great tribulational rapture event.

Luke 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

So please know that you are saved and that enduring to the end is referring to be received by Him to the Marriage Supper as a vessel unto honor in His House as our confidence is in Him to finish His work in us for why we rest in Him.

Otherwise, you are placing your confidence with the emphasis on you to endure in running that race when enduring is believing in Him for all things as the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin.

John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

How are are you enduring to the end? By believing in Him for all things including following Him or is it all on you?

 

[At Peace]

This is how Jesus is presenting us as saved in according to our faith in Him.

Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

That is why Paul refers to the rest in Jesus Christ as ceasing from all works as He has done His in having made us His.

Hebrews 4:1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.........9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Salvation is separate from discipleship because Jesus Christ has laid the foundation which can never be removed and that seal of adoption is forever that our Father in Heaven can never cease to be our Father.

Discipleship goes to what we have built on that foundation for why the call to every one having His seal, even former believers ( 2 Timothy 2:11-13 KJV ), is to depart from iniquity ( 2 Timothy 2:18-21 KJV )so they too can obtain the eternal glory that comes with our salvation which is in Christ Jesus ( 2 Timothy 2:10 ) and that is to be received as a vessel unto honor in His House at the pre great tribulational rapture event.

Luke 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

So please know that you are saved and that enduring to the end is referring to be received by Him to the Marriage Supper as a vessel unto honor in His House as our confidence is in Him to finish His work in us for why we rest in Him.

Otherwise, you are placing your confidence with the emphasis on you to endure in running that race when enduring is believing in Him for all things as the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin.

John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

How are are you enduring to the end? By believing in Him for all things including following Him or is it all on you?

Good morning J4M,
My answer to your question is...Yes!
It is all on me, within all that Jesus has done and continues to do for-with me.
We are encouraged by 1 Cor 10:13..."There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."
So, WE are to look for, and take the escapes that GOD provides.
James writes, in James 4:7..."Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."
WE are to submit and resist...using every GOD given tool at our disposal.

 

[B-A-C]

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Of course this one is saying he protects us from other's evil deeds. Not the consequence of our own.

 

[Laura1557]

Of course this one is saying he protects us from other's evil deeds. Not the consequence of our own.

Yup. Re: the consequences of our own, see Gal 6:7.......

 

[JesusIs4Me]

Good morning J4M,
My answer to your question is...Yes!
It is all on me, within all that Jesus has done and continues to do for-with me.

Then it is really all on Him if you profess Him as the means and power for which you are following Him.

We are encouraged by 1 Cor 10:13..."There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."

So, WE are to look for, and take the escapes that GOD provides.

Again, the emphasis is all on Him as He is faithful as we are trusting Him all the time to help us to follow Him.

James writes, in James 4:7..."Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."
WE are to submit and resist...using every GOD given tool at our disposal.

Submitting to God is surrendering to God entrusting in His help and thereby having power to resist the devil.

It's like what Jesus explained to His disciples for why "they" could not cast out the devil. Jesus said that kind cannot go out except thru prayer and fasting as I understood Him to mean, submitting your request to God and denying yourself as having any part in that answer to prayer.

So when I submit to God to resist the devil, I am surrendering to Him for His help and power so I can resist the devil, rather than looking to myself in using my will power or my religious flesh to be able to resist the devil by principle alone.

It is either all on Him or it is all on you. Either we live by faith in Him to help us to follow Him or we live religiously by doing the best we can as if it is really all on us. You cannot do both.

Alcoholic Anonymous and Narcotics Anonymous all have the religious rudiment in keeping that commitment to be sober. They are Freemason-like in application because you can use any "god" or anything like a tree for your higher power. This is why Jesus says this:

Matthew 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: 11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

Please note that a false witness is how one defiles the temple of God.

Matthew 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: 20 These are the things which defile a man:

His word speaks of what a false witness is which is by testifying of yourself and doing so in seeking your own glory which many religious men are when speaking of keeping their commitment to overcome or to do a good thing.

John 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

For a long time I was doubleminded in my walk with the Lord until He had set me free from my commitments to make Him Lord of my life and all those other promises to rest in Him that He will help me to follow Him.

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

So my hope is in the Lord to destroy the works of the devil in my life so I can follow Him.

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.....8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

I have discovered recently that sometime when following Him, regardless of the word given to me, I need Him to step in to help me to follow Him when I am not sure of what He would have me do.. or when to do it.

Proverbs 29:19 A servant will not be corrected by words: for though he understand he will not answer.

So I understand that just knowing His will is not enough as we need Him in us all the time since our salvation so that by His power, we are following Him.

So for sinners, I say to them put your hope in the Lord that you are saved by believing in Him and with Him in you, He has promised to deliver you from your bondage to sin and to death; He will help you discern the weights and sins that is ruining your lives so you can follow Him as His disciple in running that race by faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

Of course this one is saying he protects us from other's evil deeds. Not the consequence of our own.

I had applied 2 Timothy 4:18 KJV to 1 John 3:3,8 KJV as hope for sinners that are being tormented by their own sins and not just to believers struggling with sin in their lives, but sinners do not have power to repent & follow Him until they are saved by simply believing in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God raised Him from the dead.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Of course this one is saying he protects us from other's evil deeds. Not the consequence of our own.

Believers have died from other people's evil works so I am not sure why you would apply it in that way.

Yup. Re: the consequences of our own, see Gal 6:7.......

Yes.. if we are not trusting the Lord Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd to help us to follow Him and just want to live life and then think about their relationship with the Lord tomorrow, then consequences will be coming.

1 Peter 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Revelation 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

So what is built on that foundation will be judged but that foundation remains after the saved believers has been judged, even if they do get left behind to suffer a physical death.

1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

So a saved believer will suffer loss of that first inheritance in missing out on it, but he is saved in spite of being cast into the bed of the great tribulation for they are His as that foundation laid by Jesus Christ remains forever.

Unless they look to Jesus Christ as the author & finisher of our faith to help them lay aside every weight & sin before the Bridegroom comes, they run the risk of being left behind.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

If any one wonders how those unrepentant saints left behind can be presented by the Lord for not departing from iniquity, think of what He has done per the OP is the foundation that remains after all the works that deny Him on that foundation gets burned away.

Jesus started that good works and my confidence is in Him to finish His work in all believers; including the ones left behind because He is the Good Shepherd in bringing even the last lost wayward sheep Home.

 

[B-A-C]

Php 1:6; For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.

Yes He will perfect it ...until... the day of Christ Jesus. It doesn't end the day you become a believer.

 

[At Peace]

Then it is really all on Him if you profess Him as the means and power for which you are following Him.

If you are trying to absolve yourself from blame for sins, by saying "Jesus didn't step-up", you only fool yourself.
God provides everything we need to remain obedient to Him, but we will be the ones held responsible for ongoing sins.
We are also responsible to keep our consciences clear.

"We" are one...in Christ.
There is no separation between us when we exercise our will. (Which "should be" His will)

 

[At Peace]

If any one wonders how those unrepentant saints left behind can be presented by the Lord for not departing from iniquity, think of what He has done per the OP is the foundation that remains after all the works that deny Him on that foundation gets burned away.

Jesus started that good works and my confidence is in Him to finish His work in all believers; including the ones left behind because He is the Good Shepherd in bringing even the last lost wayward sheep Home.

"Unrepentant saints" is an oxymoron.
The "unrepentant" are children of the devil. (1 John 3:8, 10)

 

[JesusIs4Me]

Php 1:6; For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.

Yes He will perfect it ...until... the day of Christ Jesus. It doesn't end the day you become a believer.

Salvation has been obtained the day you became a believer in order for you to testify and bear true witness that Jesus Christ IS your Saviour.

To be received as a vessel unto honor in His House in living that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd requires an application of faith in Him to do so, and even then we need His help to believe in Him for that.

Mark 9:23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth. 24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

Is not faith a fruit of the Spirit? Galatians 5:22-23 KJV Are not the fruits of righteousness by Jesus Christ? Philippians 1:11 KJV Then we are addressing discipleship in running that race to be received by Him as a vessel unto honor in His House for that is the eternal glory that comes with our salvation in Christ Jesus as the crowns we receive are His crowning achievements in me as the crowns are to His glory and not something I had earned.

But you cannot be in that race to live by faith in Him to finish the race unless you are a saved believer.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

If you are trying to absolve yourself from blame for sins, by saying "Jesus didn't step-up", you only fool yourself.

Hardly when my hope is in Him not to live in sin but to walk in the light and not in darkness.

God provides everything we need to remain obedient to Him, but we will be the ones held responsible for ongoing sins.

If we sow to the works of the flesh, we will reap corruption and comeuppance from the Father when judgment day comes at the rapture event or when death pays an untimely visit.

But the question is how do you live in following Him? By doing the best we can which is looking to only yourself to do it or by leaning on Him all the time for following Him?

We are also responsible to keep our consciences clear.

Then your hope is on you and not on Him to help us keep our conscience clear.

Philippians 4:11 Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content. 12 I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. 13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

How do you read that verse? Half empty or as half full? Do you really see it as on you and thus read it as..

13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

Or...

13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

"We" are one...in Christ.
There is no separation between us when we exercise our will. (Which "should be" His will)

I can choose this day to serve the Lord Jesus Christ and nothing else in His name, but there is no power in that decision because I have found that I needed to trust Him to help me to do it.

2 Corinthians 3:4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: 5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Know what Paul says in his declaration of having no confidence in his flesh so that he may know Him & the power of His resurrection by reading Philippians 3rd chapter at this link from Bible Gateway.

Bible Gateway passage: Philippians 3 - King James Version

 

[JesusIs4Me]

"Unrepentant saints" is an oxymoron.
The "unrepentant" are children of the devil. (1 John 3:8, 10)

That is true in the sense that they are not abiding in Him, but that does not mean they are not saved nor not His.

Believers can be of the vine and then be at risk in being cut off if they stop abiding in Him as His disciples to bear fruit and to continue in His love.

John 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. 9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

Heresies is a work of the flesh. ( Galatians 5:19-21 KJV ) Any work of iniquity that denies Him ( Titus 1:15-16 KJV ), they will be denied by Him ( 2 Timothy 2:12 KJV & Matthew 7:23 KJV ) from attending the Marriage Supper in His honor as a vessel unto honor in His House ( Luke 13:24-30 ) whereas those that become castaways ( 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 KJV ) shall be received later on as vessels unto dishonor ( 2 Timothy 2:20 KJV ) because they are still His as in saved, even former believers ( 2 Timothy 2:13 KJV ), but like the prodigal son that gave up his inheritance for wild living, he cannot get it back, but he is still son and is free to come Home because it is His righteousness & that seal of adoption by Him that brings him Home.

By His wisdom, to me, when I see a professing believer living in sin or practicing iniquity that denies Him, even if he became a former believer, by His grace & by His help, I see him as still saved, but because he is my brother, I am to correct him in Christ's love so that God may be peradventuring to recover him from the snare of the devil. 2 Timothy 2:24-26 KJV I seek his good in the Lord in the hopes that by applying faith in Him as their Good Shepherd to help them discern the weights & sin to depart from them, he too may obtain that eternal glory that comes with our salvation to be received as a vessel unto honor in His House to attend the Marriage Supper at the pre great tribulational rapture event. ( 2 Timothy 2:10 KJV & 2 Timothy 2:18-21 )

Paul addressed a prophecy of those who will fall away from the faith in giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils ( 1 Timothy 4:1-2 KJV ) and he had testified that this iniquity was at work in his day in 2 Thessalonians 2:7 KJV as the supernatural by seducing spirits were happening even back then ( 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 KJV ) to lure believers away from the traditions taught of us ( 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15 KJV ) wherein God will permit them strong delusions for believing the lie that they can receive the Holy Spirit "again" apart from salvation after a sign of tongues which never comes with interpretation or other sensational signs in the flesh where recipients fall backwards in. This damnation for those that fall away is to be left behind as castaways in becoming vessels unto dishonor in His House as once that door to the Marriage Supper is shut, no one else can be of the firstfruit of the resurrection in inheriting that vessel unto honor in His House to have a place to live IN the City of God.

Paul goes on to address those wicked and evil men that have not faith and that do not walk after the traditions taught of us in the next chapter, commanding as the Lord toughing the brethren holding fast to withdraw from those who walk disorderly, ( 2 Thessalonians 3:1-7 KJV ) but to not treat them as the enemy, but to admonish them as brothers STILL ( 2 Thessalonians 3:14-15 KJV ) because He still abides in them.

If you see the purpose for which God says for the church to excommunicate an unrepentant brother for in 1 Corinthians 5:4-5 KJV then any believer living in sin or in dead works that deny Him as His, are the little ones that went astray.

Matthew 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. 11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. 12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? 13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. 14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish. 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

So when one repents, we have gained our brother; he does not become one; we just get him back in the fold that follows His voice. The one that went astray cannot renew himself as if he can be saved again, because he is still His.

So Jesus Christ will finish His work in unrepentant saved believers that gets left behind by burning off all the wood, stubble, and hay that by their foolishness, was built on that foundation which was laid by Jesus Christ which can NEVER be removed, so that He will present them by His righteousness alone as He is faithful. The vessels unto dishonor in His House are in His House still to testify to the saving power of God in salvation for those who even believe in His name. John 1:12-13 KJV

 

[Lanolin]

Hmm saved when you believe, and discipled and sanctified when you obey or yield to Him..it dosnt mean you do it all on your own, you can do all things THROUGH Christ.
Its more a partnership, thats why He's sent the helper. Or actually not even a partnership as thats only got two people more like a tripleship because of God the Father.

The saving grace of our Lord is more powerful than anyone knows. If anyone continues in sin after, well yes there will be consequences, our lives may be cut short in the flesh but our soul will be saved.

Why is it important to know this, well God can work on someone its not our doing in the flesh its yielding in the spirit.

What happens when you yield, or surrender. Well you stop resisting the holy spirit instead of working against the Lord you say amen and yes to Him. Think of Paul, he said I count all my works as dung (he was a super religious pharisee) he got knocked off his high horse one day on the road to Damascus, even made blind so he couldnt see what he was doing. This was so Jesus could speak with him personally and guess what He said?

Have a look at Acts 9:5-6

Why did Jesus say it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. Whats that mean?

Jesus4me you seem to be posting alot about this topic any particular reason. Please share. Are you asking this for yourself or other people? Or is it one of those rhetorical questions again that you already know the answer to that we have to look up in scripture, although you actually already give the scripture.

Hmm jesus4me the vessels of dishonor actually are not going to be used, sadly scripture says they will be destroyed. Or they could be reshaped but only when they are wet again.

Those branches that do not abide in the vine will be cut off to be burned...as Jesus says. Not even grafted in again but actually BURNED. Have you ever burned prunings. Well nothing is left but ashes after you burned it!

You can only graft things in again if the branch is still alive, but if its dead, its useless. You cannot graft a dead branch into a living tree. It wont grow.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

"Unrepentant saints" is an oxymoron.
The "unrepentant" are children of the devil. (1 John 3:8, 10)

Actually there are many saints who are not experiencing the Fullness of life in Christ because of un-repentance stemming from unforgiveness and walking in a more carnal life.

Yes a believers "Future Sin" is covered by the Cross - but they still need to be dealt with through repentance and Forgiveness.

Blessings
W4F

 

[At Peace]

Hardly when my hope is in Him not to live in sin but to walk in the light and not in darkness.

Good!

If we sow to the works of the flesh, we will reap corruption and comeuppance from the Father when judgment day comes at the rapture event or when death pays an untimely visit.

Correct.
We must endure till the end.

But the question is how do you live in following Him? By doing the best we can which is looking to only yourself to do it or by leaning on Him all the time for following Him?

Your two "ways" are the same way.
There is no separation between "doing the best we can" and "leaning on Him".
The converted are IN Him.

Then your hope is on you and not on Him to help us keep our conscience clear.

As you don't supply the question to which you answer, I don't know what you are talking about here.

[/QUOTE]Philippians 4:11 Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content. 12 I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. 13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
How do you read that verse? Half empty or as half full? Do you really see it as on you and thus read it as..
13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
Or...
13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.[/QUOTE]
I read, and live, one complete verse without doling out credit or responsibility.
I can't figure out why you would divide them?

I can choose this day to serve the Lord Jesus Christ and nothing else in His name, but there is no power in that decision because I have found that I needed to trust Him to help me to do it.

Don't know why you would think there is no power in your decision.
If Christ is IN you, meaning you also have the Comforter, YOU have all the power on earth to make decisions.

2 Corinthians 3:4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: 5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Know what Paul says in his declaration of having no confidence in his flesh so that he may know Him & the power of His resurrection by reading Philippians 3rd chapter at this link from Bible Gateway.
Bible Gateway passage: Philippians 3 - King James Version

My sufficiency is of God...too.
And it is a sufficiency that allows me to make the decisions that will enable my salvation on the last day.

 

[At Peace]

That is true in the sense that they are not abiding in Him, but that does not mean they are not saved nor not His.

Nobody that abides not in Him will be saved.
To think otherwise is dangerous...at best.

Believers can be of the vine and then be at risk in being cut off if they stop abiding in Him as His disciples to bear fruit and to continue in His love.

That contradicts your first proposition.

John 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. 9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

Heresies is a work of the flesh. ( Galatians 5:19-21 KJV ) Any work of iniquity that denies Him ( Titus 1:15-16 KJV ), they will be denied by Him ( 2 Timothy 2:12 KJV & Matthew 7:23 KJV ) from attending the Marriage Supper in His honor as a vessel unto honor in His House ( Luke 13:24-30 ) whereas those that become castaways ( 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 KJV ) shall be received later on as vessels unto dishonor ( 2 Timothy 2:20 KJV ) because they are still His as in saved, even former believers ( 2 Timothy 2:13 KJV ), but like the prodigal son that gave up his inheritance for wild living, he cannot get it back, but he is still son and is free to come Home because it is His righteousness & that seal of adoption by Him that brings him Home.

By His wisdom, to me, when I see a professing believer living in sin or practicing iniquity that denies Him, even if he became a former believer, by His grace & by His help, I see him as still saved, but because he is my brother, I am to correct him in Christ's love so that God may be peradventuring to recover him from the snare of the devil. 2 Timothy 2:24-26 KJV I seek his good in the Lord in the hopes that by applying faith in Him as their Good Shepherd to help them discern the weights & sin to depart from them, he too may obtain that eternal glory that comes with our salvation to be received as a vessel unto honor in His House to attend the Marriage Supper at the pre great tribulational rapture event. ( 2 Timothy 2:10 KJV & 2 Timothy 2:18-21 )

Paul addressed a prophecy of those who will fall away from the faith in giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils ( 1 Timothy 4:1-2 KJV ) and he had testified that this iniquity was at work in his day in 2 Thessalonians 2:7 KJV as the supernatural by seducing spirits were happening even back then ( 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 KJV ) to lure believers away from the traditions taught of us ( 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15 KJV ) wherein God will permit them strong delusions for believing the lie that they can receive the Holy Spirit "again" apart from salvation after a sign of tongues which never comes with interpretation or other sensational signs in the flesh where recipients fall backwards in. This damnation for those that fall away is to be left behind as castaways in becoming vessels unto dishonor in His House as once that door to the Marriage Supper is shut, no one else can be of the firstfruit of the resurrection in inheriting that vessel unto honor in His House to have a place to live IN the City of God.

Paul goes on to address those wicked and evil men that have not faith and that do not walk after the traditions taught of us in the next chapter, commanding as the Lord toughing the brethren holding fast to withdraw from those who walk disorderly, ( 2 Thessalonians 3:1-7 KJV ) but to not treat them as the enemy, but to admonish them as brothers STILL ( 2 Thessalonians 3:14-15 KJV ) because He still abides in them.

If you see the purpose for which God says for the church to excommunicate an unrepentant brother for in 1 Corinthians 5:4-5 KJV then any believer living in sin or in dead works that deny Him as His, are the little ones that went astray.

Matthew 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. 11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. 12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? 13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. 14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish. 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

So when one repents, we have gained our brother; he does not become one; we just get him back in the fold that follows His voice. The one that went astray cannot renew himself as if he can be saved again, because he is still His.

So Jesus Christ will finish His work in unrepentant saved believers that gets left behind by burning off all the wood, stubble, and hay that by their foolishness, was built on that foundation which was laid by Jesus Christ which can NEVER be removed, so that He will present them by His righteousness alone as He is faithful. The vessels unto dishonor in His House are in His House still to testify to the saving power of God in salvation for those who even believe in His name. John 1:12-13 KJV[/QUOTE]
You say a lot of words to insinuate that sinners are brothers of the repentant.
They are not, as those of the vine that is Christ are born of seed that cannot bring forth evil fruit.
Sinners, unrepentant, unbelievers, are all children of the devil.
They are not "brothers" of the non-sinner, repentant, believers who love God above all else and their neighbor as themselves.
If they do "turn from" sin, and get baptized in Jesus' name for the remission of their past sins, they will receive the Holy Ghost...and be brothers of those already IN Christ.

 

[At Peace]

Hmm saved when you believe, and discipled and sanctified when you obey or yield to Him..it dosnt mean you do it all on your own, you can do all things THROUGH Christ.
Its more a partnership, thats why He's sent the helper. Or actually not even a partnership as thats only got two people more like a tripleship because of God the Father.

The saving grace of our Lord is more powerful than anyone knows. If anyone continues in sin after, well yes there will be consequences, our lives may be cut short in the flesh but our soul will be saved.

No sinner will be "saved", as Jesus said the servants of sin hate God. (Matt 6:24)

Why is it important to know this, well God can work on someone its not our doing in the flesh its yielding in the spirit.

What happens when you yield, or surrender. Well you stop resisting the holy spirit instead of working against the Lord you say amen and yes to Him. Think of Paul, he said I count all my works as dung (he was a super religious pharisee) he got knocked off his high horse one day on the road to Damascus, even made blind so he couldnt see what he was doing. This was so Jesus could speak with him personally and guess what He said?
Have a look at Acts 9:5-6
Why did Jesus say it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. Whats that mean?

I am glad Paul stopped resisting God and the Holy Spirit...and started to serve Him instead of persecute Him.

 

[At Peace]

Actually there are many saints who are not experiencing the Fullness of life in Christ because of un-repentance stemming from unforgiveness and walking in a more carnal life.
Yes a believers "Future Sin" is covered by the Cross - but they still need to be dealt with through repentance and Forgiveness.
Blessings
W4F

There are no workers of iniquity in Christ.
It is written..."For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death." (2 Cor 7:10)
Real believers won't be committing "future sins'.
Only those whose sorrow "worketh death", commit more sins.