How Is Jesus Presenting Us As Saved in According to Our Faith?

[At Peace]

Yes this is truth However if one thinks that this means they no longer mis the mark now and again then they are very much dwelling in deception.

Why do you call it the truth, and then deny the very truth you recognize?
The flesh has either been killed or else it still lives.
I believe the scriptures that say the flesh(ly mind) really is dead.

Galatians 5:16 tells us that we need to learn how to walk in the Spirit.[/QUOTE]
I disagree with your interpretation.
It is written..."Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh."
If you walk in the Spirit you can quit obeying the flesh.
1+1=2.

It must be Developed.

It is written..."Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." (1 John 3:9)
Oak trees can never bear onions.
God's seed can never bear lies, adultery; theft, covetousness, etc.
Oak trees don't need to "learn" how to bring forth after their progenitor.

Again none of the Promises of God just happen in one's life because they got born again.

They won't, if you don't wan them to.

What had been given by or through Grace Must be Accessed By Faith.
You will need to fight to obtain them because our enemy the devil will work hard keeping you from them.

I agree that a lack of faith will cause me to revert to the man I was before rebirth.
But you must also conclude that a lack of faith will keep you in sin and unreborn.

I guarantee you that your flesh has not been so crucified that you never miss it .
Blessings
W4F

The flesh is either totally dead, or else it is totally alive.
Which team are you on?

 

[Lanolin]

Hi @Lanolin
Those were just a few examples of how a saint can be in sin and still be saved.

There are so many things the Father Will deal with us as we grow that we never even considered as sin.
Blessings
W4F

Why would a saint do these things..not sure am getting your example.
They may think about them from time to time (being tempted) but wont actually do it cos they know its wrong!

Ok now am getting confused. If you have Christ living in you, you wont sin cos He never sins. He is spirit. So it must be your own flesh that you are feeding and havent reckoned it DEAD to sin yet.

Im glad that 'holy laughter' movement didnt fool you Jesus4me. The yogis must have repackaged it for christians, cos thats where it comes from About Laughter Yoga | Laughter Yoga – Aotearoa / New Zealand

 

[At Peace]

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Because doing the best we can is to our glory; doing good as He enables me by my faith in Him alone is to His glory.

The "we" you site above is not the "we" that once rejected the ways of Godliness.
The new "we" is Christ in us, and has all the power of Christ on earth. (Gal 2:20)
The "new creature" is promised that God will provide escapes from every temptation. (1 Cor 10:13)

So I apply Numbers 30:2 KJV & Ecclesiastes 5L4-6 KJV to Matthew 5:33-37 KJV with Matthew 5:36 KJV as His point for why we cannot follow Him by keeping a commitment nor a promise to do so when we are the work of His hands in how we are following Him by faith. ( Galatians 5:1,5KJV & Philippians 1:6,11 KJV )

None of those scriptures say we cannot follow Him or that we cannot keep a commitment.
Quite the contrary, in fact.
They command you to keep your vows and fulfill your oaths.

So I was confronted by a supernatural event and regardless of how much my spirit was willing, when I was not being rotted in the word enough to know better in discerning the spirits, He kept me from falling after them ( I was not supernaturally made to fall ) and from serving that movement in seeking the glory thereof as any one would be and are tempted t glory in it by having that special encounter that they assumed was the Holy Spirit, but it was not; ( 2 Corinthians 11;1-4 KJV & 2 Corinthians 13:3 KJV & 1 John 4:1,4 KJV )

So He is my Good Shepherd and there is no power n my decision when I needed Him to keep me from falling in serving something else in His name. ( 1 Timothy 4:1-2 KJV ) That is why it is written that the just shall live by faith ... in Him and all His promises to us as I can rest in Him to finish the race as the crowns I receive is not something I had earned, but by my faith in Him to achieve those crowns on me as they will bring glory to Him in Heaven alone.

Yes, the just shall live by faith.
What does that say about the "faith" of the unjust?
It says "there is no faith".

Your salvation has been achieved or else you are denying the foundation which was laid by Jesus Christ, but yes, He is your Enabler as He will finish the race even when it appears to me He is carrying me Home because my hope is on Him. 1 John 3:3 KJV & John 28;29 KJV & 2 Timothy 4:18 KJV Jude 1:24-25 KJV

Do check out those verses for they testify of Him and my hope in Him for all things, brother.

My salvation will be "achieved", if I endure, sinless, till the end.

 

[At Peace]

Ok now am getting confused. If you have Christ living in you, you wont sin cos He never sins. He is spirit. So it must be your own flesh that you are feeding and havent reckoned it DEAD to sin yet.

Who are you replying to?

 

[Lanolin]

Who are you replying to?

The poster who said he and everyone still sins, everyday.

Sorry lots of people are talking all at once, its hard to follow.

Well, I dont want to encourage anyone to think about sinning but if you say you do and dont do anything about it, then thats obviously not good, you have a problem and if you havent gone to Jesus about it them do so now.

We are not alcoholics anonymous here going through 12 steps and still calling ourselves drunks and congratulating yourself if you havent had a drink since the last one. Because if you were truly cured and sober, you wouldnt even be counting.

Its only one step to Jesus, and putting whatever sin you have to death on the cross.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Ok now am getting confused. If you have Christ living in you, you wont sin cos He never sins. He is spirit. So it must be your own flesh that you are feeding and havent reckoned it DEAD to sin yet.

Just because Christ is in you does not make it so you won't sin.
It is through Christ that one learns to crucify the flesh which is a never ending event.

Well, I dont want to encourage anyone to think about sinning but if you say you do and dont do anything about it, then thats obviously not good, you have a problem and if you havent gone to Jesus about it them do so now.

We are not alcoholics anonymous here going through 12 steps and still calling ourselves drunks and congratulating yourself if you havent had a drink since the last one. Because if you were truly cured and sober, you wouldnt even be counting.

Its only one step to Jesus, and putting whatever sin you have to death on the cross.

Hi Lanolin,
Not sure who you are talking about here and I gave examples and not testimony.

Why do you call it the truth, and then deny the very truth you recognize?
The flesh has either been killed or else it still lives.
I believe the scriptures that say the flesh(ly mind) really is dead.

Galatians 5:16 tells us that we need to learn how to walk in the Spirit.

I disagree with your interpretation.
It is written..."Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh."
If you walk in the Spirit you can quit obeying the flesh.
1+1=2.


It is written..."Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." (1 John 3:9)
Oak trees can never bear onions.
God's seed can never bear lies, adultery; theft, covetousness, etc.
Oak trees don't need to "learn" how to bring forth after their progenitor.


They won't, if you don't wan them to.


I agree that a lack of faith will cause me to revert to the man I was before rebirth.
But you must also conclude that a lack of faith will keep you in sin and unreborn.


The flesh is either totally dead, or else it is totally alive.
Which team are you on?[/QUOTE]

Have a great walk brother.
I pray on day you wake up out of the deception you dwell in.

It's too difficult trying to fellowship with one as they change what another is saying and has their mind made up that they are perfect.

Blessings and have a great day

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

Have a great walk brother.
I pray on day you wake up out of the deception you dwell in.

It's too difficult trying to fellowship with one as they change what another is saying and has their mind made up that they are perfect.

Blessings and have a great day

I pray on day you wake up out of the deception you dwell in. Please be aware of how you write to others, regardless of what you think or understand.

It's too difficult trying to fellowship Perhaps it would be more honest to say It's too difficult for me to fellowship... ?

I am convinced the Lord wants us to build each other up, to not say we have no need of each other and for us to forbear one another in love, and much more. Perhaps that is walking His way, not our own?
I personally can testify that if we do and not simply preach it, teach it or listen to it, that what we generally refer to as sin, becomes less and less as we (I) become preoccupied with the things of the Spirit which all point to Jesus, not us and not sin, looking forward, not backward, nor to the side. How do we do it? He said follow Me. He leads us and cares for my every footstep, so leads me in His way, which is Life. Do I get the credit? No. Without Him I was lost, so how could i credit myself for His love?

Please all pray before you post to each other. We are talking about sin in this thread but is that how we are presented by Christ to the Father? Perhaps let's turn it around to praise about the Lamb Who was slain and why He gave his life for us...?


Bless you ....><>

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Greetings,



I pray on day you wake up out of the deception you dwell in. Please be aware of how you write to others, regardless of what you think or understand.

It's too difficult trying to fellowship Perhaps it would be more honest to say It's too difficult for me to fellowship... ?

I am convinced the Lord wants us to build each other up, to not say we have no need of each other and for us to forbear one another in love, and much more. Perhaps that is walking His way, not our own?
I personally can testify that if we do and not simply preach it, teach it or listen to it, that what we generally refer to as sin, becomes less and less as we (I) become preoccupied with the things of the Spirit which all point to Jesus, not us and not sin, looking forward, not backward, nor to the side. How do we do it? He said follow Me. He leads us and cares for my every footstep, so leads me in His way, which is Life. Do I get the credit? No. Without Him I was lost, so how could i credit myself for His love?

Please all pray before you post to each other. We are talking about sin in this thread but is that how we are presented by Christ to the Father? Perhaps let's turn it around to praise about the Lamb Who was slain and why He gave his life for us...?


Bless you ....><>

I was coming back in to reword it because it did not settle with me.
Thanks
Blessings

 

[Lanolin]

You all are posting different things am getting way confused, can we go back to the OP question.

How is Jesus presenting us as saved...well doesnt he give us a picture of a chaste bride, without blemish or spot.
Doesnt He give us a garment of praise? White linen robes? Washing us clean with His word?

There is no sin in this picture because the holy spirit doesnt want to dwell anywhere where there is sin. Its HOLY. Dont we shine as lights in the world? Salt that doesnt lose its savour?

Are we going to have the mind of Christ so thinking of Him all the time rather than anything else. Keep your eyes on Jesus and you wont fall, stumble or sink.

Hi Lanolin,
Not sure who you are talking about here and I gave examples and not testimony.

Give your testimony then...you seem to be saying that you sin everyday. This should not be. Confess it and repent of it.

I cant speak for other people but can always give my testimony, Jesus saved me from a life of sin. When I was on the highway to hell, Jesus intervened and got me completely off it. I'm on His way. Not saying I dont need to learn new things but Im not sinning as Im learning His ways. Im Also not saying Im so perfect and holy that the Lord could just take me right now, cos I still have stuff to do here first. God knows what Hes got planned for me. But I would be ready to go if He called me right now. We just need to be willing to yield /surrender to Him.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

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The "we" you site above is not the "we" that once rejected the ways of Godliness.
The new "we" is Christ in us, and has all the power of Christ on earth. (Gal 2:20)
The "new creature" is promised that God will provide escapes from every temptation. (1 Cor 10:13)

If God promises, where is the we when you are relying on Him to keep His promises so you can escape?

None of those scriptures say we cannot follow Him or that we cannot keep a commitment.
Quite the contrary, in fact.
They command you to keep your vows and fulfill your oaths.

This is why I am sharing reproof with you as it is on God to open your eyes to His words.

This is why Jesus said not to make vows, promises, nor commitments because YOU cannot do it ( Matthew 5:36 KJV )

Matthew 5:36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.

The O.T. verses backs it up.

Numbers 30:2 If a man vow a vow unto the Lord, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.

You have to do it all. God cannot help you do it.

Ecclesiastes 5:4 When thou vowest a vow unto God, defer not to pay it; for he hath no pleasure in fools: pay that which thou hast vowed. 5 Better is it that thou shouldest not vow, than that thou shouldest vow and not pay.6 Suffer not thy mouth to cause thy flesh to sin; neither say thou before the angel, that it was an error: wherefore should God be angry at thy voice, and destroy the work of thine hands?

It is your vow. Your promise. Your commitment. By His words, that is the work of YOUR hands and that is why it goes to YOUR GLORY which is nothing but filthy rags.

If you do circumcision which is the smallest letter of the law in that if you do it, you have to do the whole law, then where does making a vow to God falls under? The biggest letter of the law. THEREFORE you are under the law and no matter how hard you tell others of your faith in Him, you will be seen as worshiping Him in vain teaching for doctrines the commandments of men by your testimony in keeping that commitment to follow Christ which is a false witness by itself.

John 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

2 Corinthians 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

You want to keep testifying of your commitment as if by YOU keeping it, you have assurance of salvation in the end wherein you can glory as other religious men of the world glory now on earth by that same rudiment?

How can you seek to be justified by keeping that commitment where by that commitment comes the knowledge of sin and yet you do not consider yourself as having fallen from grace?

Yes, the just shall live by faith.
What does that say about the "faith" of the unjust?
It says "there is no faith".

The law is not of faith and those who do them shall live in them.

Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. 5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

My salvation will be "achieved", if I endure, sinless, till the end.

By denying Him now as your Saviour that you are not saved yet? That is hardly enduring to the end when you are hardly believing that you had been saved since you had come to & believed in Jesus Christ.

That is what I call the futility of the works of catholicism as laboring in unbelief and having come short of that rest in Jesus Christ if one seeks to do the works of catholicism to obtain salvation or justification by. It is no different than one testifying to keeping their commitment to follow Christ to obtain the assurance of salvation by.

You are saved, brother.

You can either run that race as a saved believer by faith in Jesus Christ to help you lay aside every weight & sin or you can can continue bragging to the world along with other religious men in how good you are by keeping that commitment.

You cannot do both. It is either by faith or by that commitment.

You either keep believing in Him to endure to the end in Him helping you in following Him by faith as your Good Shepherd or you are resorting to your own power in following Him, hoping to finish the race by the flesh wherein you seek your own glory.

Galatians 3:1O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Galatians 5:1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage....5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

1 Corinthians 3:21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are your's; 22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are your's; 23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.

1 Corinthians 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence. 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

1 Corinthians 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. 26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: 27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God..........21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

I was reminded of John 15.

Much of what has been discussed so far can be seen clearly (more clearly?) if we stop for a minute and read it. There is a lot in this passage of Scripture....

I am the true vine, and My Father is the husbandman.
Every branch in Me that beareth not fruit He taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, He purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in Me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without Me ye can do nothing.
If a man abide not in Me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. If ye abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. Herein is My Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be My disciples.
As the Father hath loved Me, so have I loved you: continue ye in My love.

If ye keep My commandments, ye shall abide in My love; even as I have kept My Father's commandments, and abide in His love. These things have I spoken unto you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

This is My commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Ye are My friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of My Father I have made known unto you. Ye have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in My name, He may give it you.

These things I command you, that ye love one another.


If the world hate you, ye know that it hated Me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept My saying, they will keep yours also. But all these things will they do unto you for My name's sake, because they know not Him that sent Me.

If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.
He that hateth Me hateth my Father also.
If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both Me and My Father. But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

But when the Comforter is come, Whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, He shall testify of me: and ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with Me from the beginning.


Bless you all ...><>

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings again,

Regarding all the talk about sin, let us remember that what we usually mean by sin is something that God sees as sin and therefore(!) it is totally up to God to call the shots about sin... not you, not me, not anyone. Who classifies sin?
I know, we have it in writing in Scripture!
But we also have a lot of other things written in Scripture that we should put at least as much emphasis on. Apart from all the precious promises in Scripture about us in Christ, through faith, and our forgiveness of sin by God, Who alone is Judge, there is plenty to show that making law out of the Scriptures that result in us condemning is one of the big problems that the Jewish leaders had. They used the Scriptures that suited for that very purpose. We can learn from that.

Know this, the adversary the Devil is the accuser and the Liar and it is the Devil who tries tirelessly to make us doubt God. He has been doing that since the beginning. Do we believe Our Father's Word or do we listen to and back the Devil?

Do not think that Our Father calls out to any of His Children that they are sinners, Jesus said to the woman, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

I am convinced that you all know that a big part of the Gospel (that we need to reciprocate) is forgiveness.
What (and how) is forgiveness about in regards to sin and us... and God through His Son?

I suggest we walk in love and let God be the Judge of us and each other... it's His business, not ours. Grow in consciousness of sin ... or... grow in Grace?


Bless you ....><>

 

[Lanolin]

I'm choosing grace.

Nobody is condemned here if they walking in spirit, not the flesh.

I'm not sure about any vows or commitment ...Jesus made the covenant, not us, we partake in it, thats all. However we do keep his commandments, but what does it mean by keep...put them away and then forget about them?
I dont think any of us make rules for ourselves like nuns and monks do and thus proclaim we are holier than thou, I dont think anyone of us are saying that. Please dont misunderstand each other and pick at each others testimony. We are saved by the blood of the lamb and the word of our testimony.

Please read revelation 12:20-11

Are saints overcomers? Yes!

Read further down and you can see the dragon persecutes the woman who brought forth the man child, but you can see the earth HELPED the woman. Who is our helper? Who gives us our helper? Can we do anything without this helper?

 

[At Peace]

Just because Christ is in you does not make it so you won't sin.
It is through Christ that one learns to crucify the flesh which is a never ending event.

Neither the Father, the Son, nor the Holy Ghost will reside in a defiled "temple".
And crucifixion of the flesh is done at baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of past sins...wherein the flesh is killed and buried and we are raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:3-6)

 

[At Peace]

Greetings,

I was reminded of John 15.

Much of what has been discussed so far can be seen clearly (more clearly?) if we stop for a minute and read it. There is a lot in this passage of Scripture....

I am the true vine, and My Father is the husbandman.
Every branch in Me that beareth not fruit He taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, He purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in Me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without Me ye can do nothing.
If a man abide not in Me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. If ye abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. Herein is My Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be My disciples.
As the Father hath loved Me, so have I loved you: continue ye in My love.

If ye keep My commandments, ye shall abide in My love; even as I have kept My Father's commandments, and abide in His love. These things have I spoken unto you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

This is My commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Ye are My friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of My Father I have made known unto you. Ye have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in My name, He may give it you.

These things I command you, that ye love one another.


If the world hate you, ye know that it hated Me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept My saying, they will keep yours also. But all these things will they do unto you for My name's sake, because they know not Him that sent Me.

If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.
He that hateth Me hateth my Father also.
If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both Me and My Father. But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

But when the Comforter is come, Whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, He shall testify of me: and ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with Me from the beginning.
Bless you all ...><>

Thanks for the exhortations.

 

[amadeus2]

Ok now am getting confused. If you have Christ living in you, you wont sin cos He never sins. He is spirit. So it must be your own flesh that you are feeding and havent reckoned it DEAD to sin yet.

We are still a mixture of the "old man" and his ways along with the "new man" and his Way. James speaks of being double-minded and the unruly tongue which speaks both blessings and curses. As we grow in Christ, the old man must be decrease while the new man is increases. This will be happening as we by yielding to the Holy Spirit in us overcome more and more of the old man's way which when followed lead us back to sin. We need to be eating His flesh and drinking His blood daily instead of eating and drinking all of the garbage that we may encounter during each day or work or play or other regular secular type activities.

"He must increase, but I must decrease." John 3:30

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Give your testimony then...you seem to be saying that you sin everyday. This should not be. Confess it and repent of i

Hi Lanolin,
I have not said any such thing.
I posted some examples that Christians do thinking it is nothing.

Blessings
W4F

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Neither the Father, the Son, nor the Holy Ghost will reside in a defiled "temple".
And crucifixion of the flesh is done at baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of past sins...wherein the flesh is killed and buried and we are raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:3-6)

You seem to be overlooking key things.
Such as one must Learn to walk in the Newness.

The Flesh and old way of doing things does not simply stop existing in a person Just Because of this.

No Sir, it must be conquered and this can be done because we now have Christ in us.

Blessings

 

[amadeus2]

You seem to be overlooking key things.
Such as one must Learn to walk in the Newness.

The Flesh and old way of doing things does not simply stop existing in a person Just Because of this.

No Sir, it must be conquered and this can be done because we now have Christ in us.

Blessings

Absolutely! The ways of the flesh will be with us until they are overcome. Jesus made it possible to do it in each of us, but it must be done. He will help us we are serious and willing to follow His lead through the Holy Spirit.

Give God the glory!

 

[At Peace]

We are still a mixture of the "old man" and his ways along with the "new man" and his Way. James speaks of being double-minded and the unruly tongue which speaks both blessings and curses. As we grow in Christ, the old man must be decrease while the new man is increases. This will be happening as we by yielding to the Holy Spirit in us overcome more and more of the old man's way which when followed lead us back to sin. We need to be eating His flesh and drinking His blood daily instead of eating and drinking all of the garbage that we may encounter during each day or work or play or other regular secular type activities.
"He must increase, but I must decrease." John 3:30

Don't you believe Paul's words in Rom 6;6-7?
"Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
For he that is dead is freed from sin."
You are opining that those born of God CAN bring forth evil fruit,; counter to 1 John 3:9..."Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

God has allowed us to kill the old man...and his ways. (Gal 5:24)
That "way" is open to you still.