I can't stop masturbating

[Trevor]

Years ago I strongly believed masturbation was a sin. But God spoke to me telling me it wasn’t, I didn’t believe it at first, till He confirmed it and later over the years revealed more information on the topic. Reading many Christian books, websites and videos on both sides of the argument on this topic. Many times over the years I’ve had doubts about my opinion (because I DON’T want to out of line on anything before God), honestly asking God if I had got it wrong about it, but He would always assure me it is okay. So far from trying to convince myself, I have been convinced by God it’s okay. Masturbation although pleasurable will never be as for filling as marital sexual intimacy. You still haven’t proven it’s a sin, just making unfounded claims again.

We both have our views M. B. We're here to debate. and in debate there will be disagreements, but we shouldn't let it spoil our day. If you're convinced, then that should be enough for you. Bless you.

 

[Marriage Builder 121]

Aurelius Augustine, consider it a distraction [marriage] concerning your relationship with God as the Holy Scripture so have describe and not a sin. And concerning marital relationship "the Bible" is the authority and always has been and not the church, either or "The institutionalize church", neither one is LORD, and rule Supreme! And we are commanded to walk in the Spirit and Not the flesh. The marital bed is honor and should not be defile, [either by thoughts or actions]. But kept Holy. And GOD has express it plainly in which it needs no interpretation of man or women, to those who can read and it is printed in their language. So "Trevor" I stand aside you in this matter.

We are commanded to walk in spirit and not in the flesh. The word flesh is translated from the Greek word sarx which isn’t our God given sex drive, it is our sinful desires/ actions that He forbids elsewhere (fornication (two becoming one outside of marriage), homo sexual sex, adultery, incest, beastiality, intending to pursue adultery (Mat5:27-32). No mention of masturbation). Thinking our bodily desires are sinful is getting into the heresy of Gnosticism ‘If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as, “Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!” (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)—in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men? These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.’ (Col2:20-23)

What is the flesh? | GotQuestions.org

What is the flesh? What is the Bible talking about when it refers to the flesh? Is it our physical bodies or our sin natures?

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‘Marriage is to be held in honor among all, and the marriage bed is to be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge’ (Heb13:4). It say those who physically commit fornication or adultery defile the marriage that exists. If you bothered to read what I said in post #14 you would have seen I said that a married person can only imagine having sex with their spouse (because fantasising about someone else would violate their marriage). I also said it okay for a single to fantasise about having committed marital sexual relations with an imperfect imaginary/potential spouse, which doesn’t violate a covenant of any marriage.



God has made it plain. So we shouldn’t read more into Matthew 5:27 all the way up to verse 32 than it says. If basically means any intention to cheat on your spouse, that intention in itself is adultery. If looking causes you to intend to cheat on your spouse, don’t look! If touching (‘friendy’ hugs, etc) causes you to intend to cheat on your spouse, don’t touch! Don’t think you can get around this by divorcing you spouse in order marry your new interest, because such intent is also adultery! Read what I said in post #14. Where am I not giving the pain reading of the text without adding meaning to the text that is typically done by Christians?

 

[Brother-Paul]

nowhere in the Bible does it say masturbation is a sin.

I totally agree

‘You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery [moicheuo]’; but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman [gune] with lust [Epithumeo] for her has already committed adultery [moicheuo] with her in his heart’
moicheuo means adultery, not sexual immorality in general otherwise would have used Greek word Porniea.

If you say all lust is a sin then you have to also say the Bible says Jesus lusted and one of the qualifications of a bishop is lust:

Although masturbation is not a sin and we must be clear, what is going on in the persons mind whilst masturbating is no doubt lusting.

The guy could be just lusting to hold her and kiss her.
The guy could be lusting intimately in a sexual way.
The guy could be lusting and imaging going through the act of sexual intercourse with her.
The guy could be lusting and imagining sexual intercourse with another woman,

They are all forms of lusting. Both forms mentioned in are listed above [Epithumeo] and [moicheuo]

We could say in the example of scripture it is referring to looking at a woman and lusting for her, where as the guy masturbating is not looking at a woman but he is fantasising.

During the time the guy is masturbating he is not looking at a woman with lust, he is imagining a woman and lusting for her, or imagining the act and lusting as if actually doing it.

Masturbating is not sin, but thinking of the sexual act with a woman whilst masturbating is sin.

 

[Marriage Builder 121]

my spirit testifies to me that masturbation is a sin,

I was enslaved to at one time and Jesus has set me free.

It is sexual immorality to masturbate, our body is the Holly temple of the God the almighty we do all things for the glory of the Lord you think masturbating brings God glory, I dont think so

If you were previously enslaved to Porn, well done for with God’s help getting free from porn. You sex drive isn’t enslavment, it’s God given drive. If God forbid your testis got chopped off in an accident, this ‘enslavment’ would dissapear because of the lack of testosterone in your body. It a God given desire, a God given desire that pushes you towards marriage.



1 Cor 6:18 ‘Sexual immortality’ is the Greek word Pornia which means ‘harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively, idolatry -- fornication.’ No mention of masturbation, only sexual acts with persons outside of heterosexual marriage. See for yourself:

Strong's Greek: 4202. πορνεία (porneia) -- fornication



You might say “well it’s fornication.” But the Bible says:



'Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The TWO will BECOME ONE FLESH’ (1Cor6:16).



See two becoming one flesh, not one person on their own.



Yes our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit and so we shouldn’t pollute our body with anything that the Bible SAYS is sin. There was a fad some years ago women should wear a headscarf in church. in the 1st century women had to wear a headscarf in public as a sign of being married (Like we wear a wedding ring when we’re married in today’s culture), so by removing it in public was considered scandalous because they were saying in effect that they were available. Do you think other women in the modern day church felt guilty for not wearing a headscarf? Of course they felt false guilt because they don’t know about what the headscarf signified back in the 1st century. There’s an example in the below webpage of a Christian white woman who felt guilty marrying a black man, because her Christian grandparents (wrongly) taught her that God opposes interracial marriage.

Biblical Counseling Coalition | Distinguishing Between Guilt and Guilt

I’ve head of a couple of decades ago and centuries ago Christians preaching that the only acceptable position for a married couple to have sex is in the missionary position; where the man is bowing down before God and she is beneath him on her back in humble submission. Do you think married couples hearing that would feel false guilt for using other sexual positions? Of course. While bowing down to God and humble submission are good things in themselves; nowhere in the Bible say anything against any sexual position. Neither does the Bible condemn masturbation anywhere like it does fornication, adultery... Christians feel false guilt about things that they are wrongly taught as sin by Christians, the church and Christian media. And the accuser or the brethren, the father of lies takes advantage of the situation to try to cripple their walk with God and hopefully (from his perspective) drive them away from God. That’s what he tried to do with you, playing on your false guilt, but you gave up masturbation because mistakenly thought it was a sin to do. So the devil couldn’t use the false guilt against you anymore.



‘Whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through Him to God the Father’ (Col3:17).



‘Whether, then, you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God’ (1Cor10:31).



As the Bible doesn’t define masturbation isn’t a sin; thank God for the pleasure that it brings and the far more satisfying future marital relations will be. Also bringing glory to God by them keeping themselves from fornicating with someone, unlike the world, who marvel that we don’t fornicate.

 

[Marriage Builder 121]

We both have our views M. B. We're here to debate. and in debate there will be disagreements, but we shouldn't let it spoil our day. If you're convinced, then that should be enough for you. Bless you.

It isn’t enough. Many Christians (especially those with a high sex drive) are beating themselves up about masturbating because they believe the well intended misreading scripture preached from the pulpit. Making them feel a rubbish (garbage) Christian for being unable to fight their God given hormones. Crippling their walk with God, feeling unworthy and condemned. They think if I can’t give up this ‘sin’ of masturbation, I might as well have the real thing, ie fornicate with girlfriend/someone. The fornication is actually defined as a sin in the Bible; leading them away from God and to hell if the don’t repeat (1Cor6:9-10)! Even if they don’t go away from God and manage to suppress their sex drive till marriage and many especially women find it hard to change from suppression to suddenly having sex on their wedding night, of which some need to go to sexual therapy to undo that suppression. If they realised it’s not a sin and avoid doing it excessively; they can get in with serving God guilt free (apart from anything the Bible defines as sin) in whatever way God has called them. Also statistics show many women don’t org asm from intercourse alone; whereas if she is used to masturbating prior to marriage it’s a lot easier for her to get to org asm from intercourse or know what additional stimulation to suggest/supply to get her there. I’m not saying masturbation is mandatory, just it’s not a sin if you choose to do it.

 

[PloughBoy]

"Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. 9Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up."

 

[Marriage Builder 121]

I totally agree




Although masturbation is not a sin and we must be clear, what is going on in the persons mind whilst masturbating is no doubt lusting.

The guy could be just lusting to hold her and kiss her.
The guy could be lusting intimately in a sexual way.
The guy could be lusting and imaging going through the act of sexual intercourse with her.
The guy could be lusting and imagining sexual intercourse with another woman,

They are all forms of lusting. Both forms mentioned in are listed above [Epithumeo] and [moicheuo]

We could say in the example of scripture it is referring to looking at a woman and lusting for her, where as the guy masturbating is not looking at a woman but he is fantasising.

During the time the guy is masturbating he is not looking at a woman with lust, he is imagining a woman and lusting for her, or imagining the act and lusting as if actually doing it.

Masturbating is not sin, but thinking of the sexual act with a woman whilst masturbating is sin.

You taking lust out of the context of the passage: Epithumeo just means strong desire which depending on the context is good desire or forbidden desire (coveting what belongs to another). Epithumeo is a verb, an ACTION. The subject being addressed here is adultery (not Pornia). From this context Jesus is using Epithumeo as in the Septuagint 10th commandment not to covet (Epithumeo) your neighbour’s wife or as Jesus spoke Hebrew, the Hebrew typically translated ‘covet’ in the 10 commandments is Chamad.



The late Dwight Pryor a godly humble expert in the Hebrew and Greek comments briefly on Matthew 5:27-28: '...doesn't mean just seeing a woman and being attracted to her. That's not the concept here, the concept is where you ACTUALLY TAKE STEPS to try and bring about some kind of improper conduct or improper act.' [Paul, The Law And The Church/ Dr Dwight a Pryor/ Disc 1 - Track 6 - 0 minutes 58 seconds/ www.cfi.org.uk] So attraction or fantasy of marriage isn't a sin, it's the actual intention of pursuing an adulterous sexual relationship.



Chamad is‘... “to desire (brings damage upon the thing or person desired) and to TRY TO OBTAIN”...with the result that a legal maxim has become a rule for governing conduct...’ (Loader, William. The Septuagint, Sexuality, and the New Testament: Case Studies on the Impact of the LXX in Philo and the New Testament (Grand Rapids: William B Eerdmans Publishing Company, 2004) p 10 footnotes 7)



‘...the choice is indicative of THE FOCUS, which, while including passion, IS ON THE ACQUISITION of property.’ (Loader, William. The Septuagint, Sexuality, and the New Testament: Case Studies on the Impact of the LXX in Philo and the New Testament (Grand Rapids: William B Eerdmans Publishing Company, 2004) p 10)



‘Within the context of the tenth commandment the focus is upon possession of what belongs to another’s household, including a wife. The focus is therefore on the desire to possess, which includes house field, slaves and animals. Attention is being given not primarily to theft not to the act of adultery, but to the RESPONSE which might lead to both as forms of theft from one’s neighbour.’ (Loader, William. The Septuagint, Sexuality, and the New Testament: Case Studies on the Impact of the LXX in Philo and the New Testament (Grand Rapids: William B Eerdmans Publishing Company, 2004) p 11)



‘The verb [action] epituméo corresponds to a Hebrew word which implies a temptation to acquire ownership...which lends itself to the notion of acquisition of property.’ (Loader, William. The Septuagint, Sexuality, and the New Testament: Case Studies on the Impact of the LXX in Philo and the New Testament (Grand Rapids: William B Eerdmans Publishing Company, 2004) p 10 notes)



Chamand is a ‘...emotion of desiring included the act off taking possession...an emotion AND a corresponding ACTION’ [Brevard S. Childs, The Book of Exodus(Westminster John Knox Press, Louisvill, Kentucky, 2004) p426]



We shouldn’t take Matthew 5:28 out of its context it’s about adultery not Pornia; read from Matthew 5:27 all the way up to verse 32. It basically means any intention to cheat on your spouse, that intention in itself is adultery. If looking causes you to intend to cheat on your spouse, don’t look! If touching (‘friendy’ hugs, etc) causes you to intend to cheat on your spouse, don’t touch! Don’t think you can get around this by divorcing you spouse in order marry your new interest, because such intent is also adultery!



Such active intent of heart will lead to actual physical adultery. Nothing to do with a single person.



For as he thinks within himself, so he is...’ (Prov23:5).

‘Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart, Be acceptable in Your sight...’ (Ps19:14).



If a married person commits sexual acts with someone other than their spouse it’s sin, same with their thought life.

If a person engages in sexual relations with someone of the same-sex it’s a sin, same with their thought life.

If a single person has sex outside of marriage it’s a sin, so thinking about having uncommitted non-marital sex is sin.



'Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure (hagnos), whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think (logizomai) on these things.' (Philippians 4:8)



As I showed in my #14 post marital sex is a holy act. If a married person fantasises about sexual relations with their spouse it isn’t a sin.

If a single person gets married to someone of the opposite sex to have sex they haven’t sinned. Therefore a single person is okay to fantasise IN PRIVATE about committed marital sexual relations with an imperfect imaginary/potential unmarried person of the opposite sex. Only fantasise about is allowed in real life. Staying away from sin in thought and deed. A single person can choose to either masturbate with such fantasy or just focus on the physical sensations.

 

[Trevor]

You taking lust out of the context of the passage: Epithumeo just means strong desire which depending on the context is good desire or forbidden desire (coveting what belongs to another). Epithumeo is a verb, an ACTION. The subject being addressed here is adultery (not Pornia). From this context Jesus is using Epithumeo as in the Septuagint 10th commandment not to covet (Epithumeo) your neighbour’s wife or as Jesus spoke Hebrew, the Hebrew typically translated ‘covet’ in the 10 commandments is Chamad.



The late Dwight Pryor a godly humble expert in the Hebrew and Greek comments briefly on Matthew 5:27-28: '...doesn't mean just seeing a woman and being attracted to her. That's not the concept here, the concept is where you ACTUALLY TAKE STEPS to try and bring about some kind of improper conduct or improper act.' [Paul, The Law And The Church/ Dr Dwight a Pryor/ Disc 1 - Track 6 - 0 minutes 58 seconds/ www.cfi.org.uk] So attraction or fantasy of marriage isn't a sin, it's the actual intention of pursuing an adulterous sexual relationship.



Chamad is‘... “to desire (brings damage upon the thing or person desired) and to TRY TO OBTAIN”...with the result that a legal maxim has become a rule for governing conduct...’ (Loader, William. The Septuagint, Sexuality, and the New Testament: Case Studies on the Impact of the LXX in Philo and the New Testament (Grand Rapids: William B Eerdmans Publishing Company, 2004) p 10 footnotes 7)



‘...the choice is indicative of THE FOCUS, which, while including passion, IS ON THE ACQUISITION of property.’ (Loader, William. The Septuagint, Sexuality, and the New Testament: Case Studies on the Impact of the LXX in Philo and the New Testament (Grand Rapids: William B Eerdmans Publishing Company, 2004) p 10)



‘Within the context of the tenth commandment the focus is upon possession of what belongs to another’s household, including a wife. The focus is therefore on the desire to possess, which includes house field, slaves and animals. Attention is being given not primarily to theft not to the act of adultery, but to the RESPONSE which might lead to both as forms of theft from one’s neighbour.’ (Loader, William. The Septuagint, Sexuality, and the New Testament: Case Studies on the Impact of the LXX in Philo and the New Testament (Grand Rapids: William B Eerdmans Publishing Company, 2004) p 11)



‘The verb [action] epituméo corresponds to a Hebrew word which implies a temptation to acquire ownership...which lends itself to the notion of acquisition of property.’ (Loader, William. The Septuagint, Sexuality, and the New Testament: Case Studies on the Impact of the LXX in Philo and the New Testament (Grand Rapids: William B Eerdmans Publishing Company, 2004) p 10 notes)



Chamand is a ‘...emotion of desiring included the act off taking possession...an emotion AND a corresponding ACTION’ [Brevard S. Childs, The Book of Exodus(Westminster John Knox Press, Louisvill, Kentucky, 2004) p426]



We shouldn’t take Matthew 5:28 out of its context it’s about adultery not Pornia; read from Matthew 5:27 all the way up to verse 32. It basically means any intention to cheat on your spouse, that intention in itself is adultery. If looking causes you to intend to cheat on your spouse, don’t look! If touching (‘friendy’ hugs, etc) causes you to intend to cheat on your spouse, don’t touch! Don’t think you can get around this by divorcing you spouse in order marry your new interest, because such intent is also adultery!



Such active intent of heart will lead to actual physical adultery. Nothing to do with a single person.



For as he thinks within himself, so he is...’ (Prov23:5).

‘Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart, Be acceptable in Your sight...’ (Ps19:14).



If a married person commits sexual acts with someone other than their spouse it’s sin, same with their thought life.

If a person engages in sexual relations with someone of the same-sex it’s a sin, same with their thought life.

If a single person has sex outside of marriage it’s a sin, so thinking about having uncommitted non-marital sex is sin.



'Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure (hagnos), whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think (logizomai) on these things.' (Philippians 4:8)



As I showed in my #14 post marital sex is a holy act. If a married person fantasises about sexual relations with their spouse it isn’t a sin.

If a single person gets married to someone of the opposite sex to have sex they haven’t sinned. Therefore a single person is okay to fantasise IN PRIVATE about committed marital sexual relations with an imperfect imaginary/potential unmarried person of the opposite sex. Only fantasise about is allowed in real life. Staying away from sin in thought and deed. A single person can choose to either masturbate with such fantasy or just focus on the physical sensations.

It isn’t enough. Many Christians (especially those with a high sex drive) are beating themselves up about masturbating because they believe the well intended misreading scripture preached from the pulpit. Making them feel a rubbish (garbage) Christian for being unable to fight their God given hormones. Crippling their walk with God, feeling unworthy and condemned. They think if I can’t give up this ‘sin’ of masturbation, I might as well have the real thing, ie fornicate with girlfriend/someone. The fornication is actually defined as a sin in the Bible; leading them away from God and to hell if the don’t repeat (1Cor6:9-10)! Even if they don’t go away from God and manage to suppress their sex drive till marriage and many especially women find it hard to change from suppression to suddenly having sex on their wedding night, of which some need to go to sexual therapy to undo that suppression. If they realised it’s not a sin and avoid doing it excessively; they can get in with serving God guilt free (apart from anything the Bible defines as sin) in whatever way God has called them. Also statistics show many women don’t org asm from intercourse alone; whereas if she is used to masturbating prior to marriage it’s a lot easier for her to get to org asm from intercourse or know what additional stimulation to suggest/supply to get her there. I’m not saying masturbation is mandatory, just it’s not a sin if you choose to do it.

When we come to Jesus, we come as sinners to a saviour. Jesus paid the ultimate price for that sin, he recieved the death penalty. In paying that price, if we believe he paid it, we become free, free of guilt. Even though we still commit the sin, we are not held accountable for it, we have started on a journey, and on that journey if we obey Jesus, and that obedience has nothing to do with our sin. Remember Jesus said I will set you free; He didn't say you will set yourselves free. No, the obedience he calls too is, walk the extra mile, turn the other cheek, let someone take your coat and then give them your shirt also, look after the widows and the orphans, feed the hungry, etc.. If we do these things, Jesus will take care of the things we would rather not do. However if we are convicted by our consciences of things we do, then we should be honest and admit it as a sin and pray the Lord delivers us from it. That doesn't mean we should feel guilt because God does not see our sin, he only sees the blood of his son that washes us clean. He doesn't see our sin. As we do as he asks, we change and things start to fall away, and as they do we praise our deliverer. If we go against our consciences and call our sins acceptable, we are being dishonest and that is honouring Satan, the father of lies, if we admit that our sins are part of us, we are being honest and that honours God. The choice in all this is ours.

 

[PloughBoy]

Since many are of hard hearing, I'm going to cut the chase: Masturbation is "Idolatry" it is worshipping a image! retain God in your knowledge and stop looking for escape clauses! Non and nominal christians down right commit sins, and no conscious. But some christians are always looking for "Escape clauses" and looking for teachers with itching ears to justify the sins they commit and some have had their conscious seared by hot branding iron. Do not grieve the spirit of God! God will give you over unto your sins and it will multiply and consume you! A little leaven will leaven the whole lump. " it is the little foxes that spoils the vine"! If you keep on sinning, always remember it is nothing wrong with the words in the Bible, It is something wrong with us!

"For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me."

please read in complete context of the Bible and not in portion as i have listed.

 

[Brother-Paul]

You taking lust out of the context of the passage: Epithumeo just means strong desire which depending on the context is good desire or forbidden desire (coveting what belongs to another). Epithumeo is a verb, an ACTION. The subject being addressed here is adultery (not Pornia). From this context Jesus is using Epithumeo as in the Septuagint 10th commandment not to covet (Epithumeo) your neighbour’s wife or as Jesus spoke Hebrew, the Hebrew typically translated ‘covet’ in the 10 commandments is Chamad.

The subject of the thread is 'I can't stop masturbating' is it a sin.

I agree with you that masturbating is not a sin, but lusting and coveting is sin.

So if a person can masturbate without thinking of sex with a woman it is not sin, but if he things of the sexual act with a woman that is sin.

You keep referring to the passage as one size fits all. It is an example Jesus came across and explained to clarify an issue. It is a little like the Gay brigade saying, as they do, there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, Jesus never mentioned it once. He didn't because he didn't come across it in his ministry, that doesn't excuse the situation as Paul explains later. You will tell me next if an homosexual masturbates and thinks/lusts for another person that isn't a sin either.

 

[Brother-Paul]

The late Dwight Pryor a godly humble expert in the Hebrew and Greek comments briefly on Matthew 5:27-28: '...doesn't mean just seeing a woman and being attracted to her. That's not the concept here, the concept is where you ACTUALLY TAKE STEPS to try and bring about some kind of improper conduct or improper act.' [Paul, The Law And The Church/ Dr Dwight a Pryor/ Disc 1 - Track 6 - 0 minutes 58 seconds/ www.cfi.org.uk] So attraction or fantasy of marriage isn't a sin, it's the actual intention of pursuing an adulterous sexual relationship.

If a single man masturbates and in his mind lusts the sexual act for the woman he is to marry, he is still lusting, but is not coveting. His mind is on the sexual act, he is not looking at the woman's heart and that is where love comes from. They are not yet married, if engaged could be considered betrothed, but that doesn't mean sexual thoughts and fantasies are correct, he is lusting for her, he is having sex with her in his mind. He is sinning.

They are not yet one body in marriage.

 

[PloughBoy]

if you sin as being a christian, you will grieve the Spirit of God! period and the WORD of GOD says: "DO NOT GRIEVE the SPIRIT of God! Do not forget, why some are not grieve by this action, You cannot be grieve by something you don't have!

the earth is a battle field for true christians "the World, the flesh, and the deceptions of The Devil" If Jesus was in the same room would you do that? Would it give glory to God? Is God glorified by your actions?

 

[Brother-Paul]

‘Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart, Be acceptable in Your sight...’ (Ps19:14).

But not whilst I masturbate and simulate intercourse in my mind with another!

Does that sound right? No.

 

[Brother-Paul]

If a married person commits sexual acts with someone other than their spouse it’s sin, same with their thought life.

If a person engages in sexual relations with someone of the same-sex it’s a sin, same with their thought life.

If a single person has sex outside of marriage it’s a sin, so thinking about having uncommitted non-marital sex is sin.

That I agree with.

 

[PloughBoy]

But not whilst I masturbate and simulate intercourse in my mind with another!

Does that sound right? No.

I heard a conversation similar to that in the 'GARDEN"! telling "God, let the words of my mouth" i thought it was about the words that came out of the mouth of GOD! i will say "what did God say" what i say don't mean a hill of beans!

 

[Brother-Paul]

As I showed in my #14 post marital sex is a holy act.

Agreed

If a married person fantasises about sexual relations with their spouse it isn’t a sin.

What is your definition of fantasising?

If the guy is fantasising about lovely, dovey, cuddly, caressing. That seems OK to me.

If a guy is fantasising about the act of sexual intercourse he is sinning.

 

[PloughBoy]

i think this conversation should be in the mens room.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Since many are of hard hearing, I'm going to cut the chase: Masturbation is "Idolatry" it is worshipping a image! retain God in your knowledge and stop looking for escape clauses! Non and nominal christians down right commit sins, and no conscious. But some christians are always looking for "Escape clauses" and looking for teachers with itching ears to justify the sins they commit and some have had their conscious seared by hot branding iron. Do not grieve the spirit of God! God will give you over unto your sins and it will multiply and consume you! A little leaven will leaven the whole lump. " it is the little foxes that spoils the vine"! If you keep on sinning, always remember it is nothing wrong with the words in the Bible, It is something wrong with us!

"For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me."

please read in complete context of the Bible and not in portion as i have listed.

What did you say brother?

 

[Brother-Paul]

Please read in complete context of the Bible and not in portion as i have listed.

This was my argument in the early parts of the thread, thanks for raising it again brother.

My comment above, meant in love, and in good intentions, could be taken out of context in the wrong hands!

So could my second comment. Context is key with God's world, not rigidly saying one verse says this and nothing else, we must ask ourselves, am I understanding this based on the context of all God's Word.

The Bible in Context, from the beginning of Genesis to the end of Revelation, is about God's love for mankind and Him saving us, through His Son on the Cross, from 'sin, the world and the devil'

Everything we read, everything God has had written down for us, in the right context is about is love for us, his hate for sin, and a life line to save us from sin.

What ever scripture we read, is given to us by God to understand in that context.

Thanks be to God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, In Jesus Name. Amen

 

[PloughBoy]

I think this conversation should be in a private room, as it will grow into ungodliness. with no intentions of doing so.