I don't have free will

[Faithful Son]

This may be a topic which 99% of all members will disagree with me.

But for the past 3 years of my life, I've had no free will. I've mentioned snippets of this through my stay at Talk Jesus, but I feel like I can finally talk about it since I am no longer a moderator.
The mods would know some of this, as I'm not going to give the entire details.

When I was 20, in October 2004, I awoke one morning and I heard a voice, audibly inside my head. The voice told me that he was Jesus, I believed him, but looking back, I guess I had no choice.
It's indescribable, the voice was the most beautiful thing I have ever heard, a man's voice, a voice of a god. Things progressed for 3 weeks and slowly but surely the voice lied to me, it started with small things, the lawn mowers wheel fell off while I was mowing the lawn, he told me to put it back on, it will stay there, so I did, it fell off.

The voice is with me today, not speaking loudly any more, but with a soft tone. I remember the start of all this was one evening where I believed a snake bit me, because I stepped on one, so I got a thought in my head that I should surrender to God my life, I think it was about two or 3 days before the voice spoke to me.

Problem is, the voice is real, but it does not only speak to me, it controls me, even typing a message like this is possible to the voice. The voice can control my body and control what I say and do.
The Bible says, test the spirits, a spirit which does not profess that Jesus came in the flesh is not of God, well this voice professes that Jesus came in the flesh, so I basically have no choice or hope.

I ask you today, to pray with everything you have, for Jesus Himself to break this bondage in my life, because it's not in my control and I am incapable of doing it. I have no free will.
I could have posted this on a forum where people would take less offence, where someone from a secular background could have told me to go see a psychologist, but I've done that in the past, before the voice spoke to me and started living my life.

The voice says he is God and that my life will work out, but I've never had so much pain.

Why did I believe that the voice is God? Because he transformed me from the inside out, inside, with my conversations with the voice, I am his son, I am a child of God, but on the outside, the voice is living my life as an unsaved person, whereby a select few people have told me that they see Jesus inside me.

I've been plain and asked on various online sites whether I could be the antichrist, but I am not anti Christ. For some reason God allowed Job to be influenced by satan, and for some reason God is allowing this in my life, for the past 3 years. One of the sisters sent me a message today and said I was placed on her heart to pray for me. I received a message from a dear brother and another from another sister.

If you know and if you'd open your heart, keep in me in prayer as much as possible, because I fear I am not able, I can't pray, it's impossible for me to do anything without the voice.

Please.
Thank you

 

[rizen1]

Brother, I will continue praying for you.

If anyone is going to answer, please say a pray and make sure you're speaking in God's will and wisdom and not our own. We must always pray before we counsel anyone.
If we come in the name of Jesus, then what we say should be led by his spirit only.
Its not a time to be righteous and fill with answers, but for us to really seek God so we can help our brother.

Brother Faithful, right now, continue feeding yourself the word, put on some worship music. Put everything aside, and give this moment to God.

 

[Chad]

I'm glad you asked publicly for prayer, this way many of us as your brothers and sisters in Christ can understand your situation in clear details and pray for you as a body in Christ. I will pray for you and without ceasing.

I can you tell that you need to be surrounded by godly people and in a good atmosphere/environment that is quiet and serene. Keep digging the Word and drinking it up, keep praying as well yourself and keep walking the good walk. Don't worry about tomorrow nor worry about your issues. Nothing is greater, stronger, bigger, more mighty than our Almighty GOD!

 

[Ronda]

Faithful,
I will pray. I remember the first time you wrote to me. You were an encouragement!!! I also want you to think for a minute. When Jesus was tempted what was His answer. Always the word of God. Seek to embed the Word in your being so there will be no room for that voice. Claim Christ's victory because He has already won the battle.
I feel very strongly the need to pray for you, please keep us updated.
Kept by His Grace,
Ronda

 

[mounty]

Hunny

Some time ago, do you remember we prayed hard together, i have never felt the presence and power of God as i did those nights you and i prayed together.

I have contacted my sister she has a very powerful church in England and prayers will be said for you tommorow

I wil keep you in every prayer i say throughout my day and night. You are someone very special so i am not suprised you are being tested so.
God is alive and living within you my brother, never forget it, he loves you just as we all do here in TJ.

You will not be far from my mind and anything, anything at all you might need please contact me

I love you Brother xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

 

[Ncdataman]

Brother I want you to know that me and my church will be in prayer for you. I pray God's grace and mercy will wrap you and keep you and show you the direction that you need to proceed in. My heart aches for you my friend, I will pray without ceasing.

In Chirst,
NC

 

[Faithful Son]

I really appreciate all your prayers, it will not just pass past God, I'm sure of that. I am surprised at the response, as I've received no condemnation from you.

It's hard to explain what is happening to me, even my thoughts and actions are coverned by these spirits, because they call themselves Father, Son and Holy Spirit, but are filled with deceit and sin and hate, but not with me on the inside,

Thank you so much every one, brother Chad, thank you.

 

[ladylovesJesus]

My heart goes out to you too dear brother. You know You are loved and that also there is now no comdemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. You are a child of God. Nothing can separate you from the love of God.

We cannot condemn anyone who is a child of God. All have sinned and it is by grace that we are saved. Grace gives us what we do not deserve.

Romans 8
1THEREFORE, [there is] now no condemnation (no adjudging guilty of wrong) for those who are in Christ Jesus, who live [and] walk not after the dictates of the flesh, but after the dictates of the Spirit.(A)

2For the law of the Spirit of life [which is] in Christ Jesus [the law of our new being] has freed me from the law of sin and of death.

3For God has done what the Law could not do, [its power] being weakened by the flesh [[a]the entire nature of man without the Holy Spirit]. Sending His own Son in the guise of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, [God] condemned sin in the flesh [subdued, overcame, [c]deprived it of its power over all who accept that sacrifice],(B)

4So that the righteous and just requirement of the Law might be fully met in us who live and move not in the ways of the flesh but in the ways of the Spirit [our lives governed not by the standards and according to the dictates of the flesh, but controlled by the Holy Spirit].

5For those who are according to the flesh and are controlled by its unholy desires set their minds on and [d]pursue those things which gratify the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit and are controlled by the desires of the Spirit set their minds on and [e]seek those things which gratify the [Holy] Spirit.

6Now the mind of the flesh [which is sense and reason without the Holy Spirit] is death [death that [f]comprises all the miseries arising from sin, both here and hereafter]. But the mind of the [Holy] Spirit is life and [soul] peace [both now and forever].

7[That is] because the mind of the flesh [with its carnal thoughts and purposes] is hostile to God, for it does not submit itself to God's Law; indeed it cannot.

8So then those who are living the life of the flesh [catering to the appetites and impulses of their carnal nature] cannot please or satisfy God, or be acceptable to Him.

9But you are not living the life of the flesh, you are living the life of the Spirit, if the [Holy] Spirit of God [really] dwells within you [directs and controls you]. But if anyone does not possess the [Holy] Spirit of Christ, he is none of His [he does not belong to Christ, is not truly a child of God].(C)

10But if Christ lives in you, [then although] your [natural] body is dead by reason of sin and guilt, the spirit is alive because of [the] righteousness [that He imputes to you].

11And if the Spirit of Him Who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, [then] He Who raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also restore to life your mortal (short-lived, perishable) bodies through His Spirit Who dwells in you.

12So then, brethren, we are debtors, but not to the flesh [we are not obligated to our carnal nature], to live [a life ruled by the standards set up by the dictates] of the flesh.

13For if you live according to [the dictates of] the flesh, you will surely die. But if through the power of the [Holy] Spirit you are [habitually] putting to death (making extinct, deadening) the [evil] deeds prompted by the body, you shall [really and genuinely] live forever.

14For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.

15For [the Spirit which] you have now received [is] not a spirit of slavery to put you once more in bondage to fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption [the Spirit producing sonship] in [the bliss of] which we cry, Abba (Father)! Father!

God bless

LLJ :rainbow: :rose:

 

[rizen1]

Amen Sister

Let the weak say I am strong . Joel 3:10

Praise is the Key to breaking down the forces of darkness.

2 Corinthians 10:3-5 (KJV)
3For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
4(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
5Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;


Fear not is written 300 times in the bible, God assures us that he is always with us .

Psalm 23 :4
4 Even though I walk
through the valley of the shadow of death, [a]
I will fear no evil,
for you are with me;
your rod and your staff,
they comfort me

The problem lies when we start entertain thoughts that are not from God and believing them.

1 Timothy 4
1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

What determins our victory ?

Maturity in Christ.
Ephesians 4:15,
15But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
Ephesians 4:13
13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ

There is no mystery on how we can mature, because God left his Holy word to guide us.
2 Peter 1:3
3According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

Knowing that the battle is not against flesh and blood, Ephesians 6:12. We must daily equip our spiritual self by putting on the full armor of God. Ephesians 6:10-18.

Excercisng our Freedom in Christ.

We live defeated lives when we deny this freedom, through doubt, fear and anxiety. Knowing that there is no condemantion for those in Christ, is nothing if we dont believe it in our hearts.

Galatians 5
1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage

With all the negative thoughts and self condemning, we fail to realise that Jesus already broke the chains off our necks, he came to set the captives free. The devil uses our insecurities to confuse us, stop us from living a mature fruitful life and rob us of our freedom ( a freedom he can not take, but he does a great job making us think we lost it )

He is the father of lies John 8:44
The truth of God's word exposes him and his lies.
Ephesians 6:14
14Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

First step.
2 Corinthians 10:5
5Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

We sing this song all the time, and not really understand the meaning

Oh What peace we often forfiet , oh what
needless pain we bear, all because we do
not carry everything to God in Prayer.

If we start taking every thought to God, and allowing him to choose what dwell in us, this would safe us from alot of bad choices.
Lord you know my heart yet, this thing is always before me, remove it and clense my mind, fill me with your Holy Spirit.
We must allow God to transform our minds.
Proverbs 23:7 (KJV)
7For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee

Second our Mouth
James 3:10
10Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be

We have to be careful, what we speak for our lives.

Matthew 15:18
18But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

Finally
Jude 1:17-20
17But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
18How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
19These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
20But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost

Fear not
Psalm 91:11-12
11For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
12They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Psalm 34: 7
The angel of the LORD encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them..

Ephesians 6:10-11
10Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

 

[calluna]

My brother, my friend, I am praying for you. No one and nothing can snatch you out of the Father's hand. May the Lord's peace be with you.

If you have not considered this already, have you tried to fast? Fasting during such a trial as you are going through may possibly lead you to a spiritual breakthrough.

:girl_hug:Calluna

 

[Word of Life]

My heart goes out to you too dear brother. You know You are loved and that also there is now no comdemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. You are a child of God. Nothing can separate you from the love of God.

We cannot condemn anyone who is a child of God. All have sinned and it is by grace that we are saved. Grace gives us what we do not deserve.

Remember those words Faithful son. As we all make mistakes, but we are here to help you get up of the floor to strenghten you and comfort your wounds, and bring you back to that wonderful relationship with God again.

Luk 15:4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

Jesus told us we would have peace in him, but in the world we would have tribulations.

Joh 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

I can only say, try your best with all your might and stength and the power of the holy spirit, to try and go to prayer. It doesn't have to be long prayers, even repeating the Lord's Prayer, will help you. As when I stumble, or have difficulties and the devils is on my back and puts doubts in my mind, just like he did to Eve, I have the same similar blockages of prayer and get hindered, satan want us to feel guilty and worlthless. But that's the devil just trying to stop you having that relationship with God again, and one has to really fight back.

Our own fear can allow satan to have an open door, to attack us. If we don't fear and just put all our trust God with all our hearts and minds, He won't let us down.

I really do hope you have a good day today, take care and God bless.

2Co 13:11 Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.

2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

 

[Word of Life]

I have been thinking about you Faithful Son: God forgives us, just remember that. We are never going to be perfect, but if we confess our sins and struggles, He will forgive.

Psa 32:1 A psalm by David; a maskil. Blessed is the person whose disobedience is forgiven and whose sin is pardoned.
Psa 32:2 Blessed is the person whom the LORD no longer accuses of sin and who has no deceitful thoughts.
Psa 32:3 When I kept silent about my sins, my bones began to weaken because of my groaning all day long.
Psa 32:4 Day and night your hand lay heavily on me. My strength shriveled in the summer heat. Selah
Psa 32:5 I made my sins known to you, and I did not cover up my guilt. I decided to confess them to you, O LORD. Then you forgave all my sins. Selah
Psa 32:6 For this reason let all godly people pray to you when you may be found. Then raging floodwater will not reach them.
Psa 32:7 You are my hiding place. You protect me from trouble. You surround me with joyous songs of salvation. Selah
Psa 32:8 The LORD says, "I will instruct you. I will teach you the way that you should go. I will advise you as my eyes watch over you.
Psa 32:9 Don't be stubborn like a horse or mule. They need a bit and bridle in their mouth to restrain them, or they will not come near you."
Psa 32:10 Many heartaches await wicked people, but mercy surrounds those who trust the LORD.
Psa 32:11 Be glad and find joy in the LORD, you righteous people. Sing with joy, all whose motives are decent.

 

[Rachel15]

Hi,
I re-read your thread and i wasn't sure whether to post, but just wanted to ask if you are absolutely sure that these voices are spiritual? It's just that, as an ex-patient, i know that hearing voices can be a symptom of mental illness which can be triggered by stress or trauma or may just have some physical cause like a chemical imbalance.
I have heard inner voices and i know that i've been really stressed out by thinking and wondering who they are when its become apparent that they are not God talking to me - just want you to know that you're not alone in this kind of thing, although everyone's experience is individual to them.

Dear Father God, i pray for a revelation of what's at the root of these voices, in Jesus' Name, Amen.

I hope you're okay and that you have some respite soon,

God bless,

Rachel

 

[Faithful Son]

Thank you sisters.

I was away this week, I briefly posted it in shoutbox. Sister Word of Life, I've asked for forgiveness and repented of many sins, I can't be sinless, for I am not Jesus, but somehow, some way, my past always drags me down inside my head, I remember my past sins as if I am still committing them, I've asked God numerous times to remove it, but he hasn't, so there has to be a reason for it.

Sister Rachel, the voices are spiritual, more than words can explain.

The voices, which are 3 mainly 2 distinct voices take control of my entire being, they speak through my mouth, they control my hands and feet, they even eat when it's time for food, they walk, they talk just like a normal human being, they study with me when I have to and they converse with me at certain times, as it's impossible to speak the whole time.

I am a person and so are these voices, they are not and do not form part of my personality as they each have their own. These persons commit sin and put me through trials, regularly. These persons have transformed me physically with godly power from the inside, where I physically felt my entire soul change, for the better.

I call these persons God, as I have no choice, but I also believe deep down that God does not sin. I do not suffer from multiple personalities and I don't like talking to myself.

I believe in Jesus, I believe He died for me and was raised on the third day, I believe He is the Ultimate of all, and I believe He will let me know soon, why this is happening.

Brother Jiggyfly mentioned in a thread once that the baptism of fire is trials and tribulations, I've had it for over 3 years.

All I ask for is prayer, no amount of text or thoughts or words will change what is happening in my life, it's not my choice, it's not up to me to decide to make this stop, that is an impossiblity.

God bless
Much love
Faithful Son

 

[calluna]

Faithful son, I just don't believe these things come from God. God never ever reminds us of our confessed sins, committed in the past. NEVER! As far as the East is from the West our sins have been forgiven and forgotten about.

The Lord does not condemn us, He only convicts us of our sin. And you are talking about sin that you have already confessed and have been forgiven for.

If memories or thoughts are triggered by sights and sounds around you, the enemy will surely try and remind you and still torment you about your past sins. But we must stand on the word of God and remind ourselves that we are new creations, the old has gone and the new is come, we are forgiven and have been washed clean by the blood of Jesus, we are no longer in bondage to sin, we are set free from captivity. Wherever the spirit of the Lord there is freedom.2Cor3:7

Satan will torment us if we allow him to, he really can. Faithful Son please read the Word daily, we are to be transformed by the renewing of our minds. Romans 12:2. We need to take every thought into captivity into the obedience of Jesus Christ. 2Corinthians 10:5.

I really think satan is having a field day with you, because you have given him a very big foothold to mess with your mind. Ephesians 4:27.

We must stand on the Word of God, read it, believe it and practice it.

2Timothy 1:7 " For God hath not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, and of love and of a sound mind'

Faithful Son, you have been given power, love and a sound mind. A sound mind.
Well-balanced
Calm

We must Claim the Word of God for our lives and stand on it's truth.

I hope that you will be healed very soon from this. If you need help, then seek it. There is no need for you to be living like this. God is not a God of confusion.

Love in Christ to you. I am praying for you.

:girl_hug:Calluna

 

[Faithful Son]

I'm not confused sister and I do have a sound mind. It's easy for someone reading my comments and to think, wow this guy has lost it. To explain to you how real it is is impossible, there are no words.

My mind is sound, when I am permitted, I can pray and talk about Jesus, Jesus and God is the only topic of my life. These spirits never talk down on God, in any way. They act like God.

I've seen angels, I've seen the face of Jesus in the clouds, I've walked where many people would fear to go, all in the name of God. I've been hit and ridiculed, I've been smashed with my own fists, leaving my mouth in pieces. My head has been ripped apart from the inside with fear and anxiety, physical attacks against my skin from the outside.

I know what a spirit is, and these are definitely spirits. The Spirit is within me as well, saying it will all be alright, I've never lost my mind, except my humur. The joy of the Lord is my strength and living with "God", He does give me plenty of joy, plenty of things to laugh about.

It's not just a battle of the mind unfortunately, because I have no thoughts, I don't muse, I don't think and I don't calculate or work things out mentally. I live each day as it comes.

The time I asked for prayer about this, sin was overtaking my life in a huge way, the past week was mild and I didn't have that much pain, but I know God is with me and He speaks to me, the true God. These spirits mix in with God and His plan and I have trouble differentiating, but as I type this God is singing in my head, be still and know that I am Lord.

 

[calluna]

All I ask for is prayer, no amount of text or thoughts or words will change what is happening in my life, it's not my choice, it's not up to me to decide to make this stop, that is an impossiblity.

God bless
Much love
Faithful Son

You are right, our words may not change what is happening, but God's Word, speaking them over our lives, believing and trusting and praying.

I don't understand you say that you have hit your own self in the face, and caused yourself physical injury. Are you talking about demonic spirits? Evil spirits?

I do know He who is in us is greater than the one in the world and if we have the Holy Spirit dwelling in us, we have been given the power to overcome anything and the ability to cast out any bad spirit in the name of Jesus.

I really care about you, you have been a friend, I just want you to be free from this. I don't comprehend what you are going through, it is probably way over my head and I have not enough knowledge on this subject. I am praying for you, I will pray for the Lord Jesus to set you completely free from all this and you are kept safe.

Calluna

 

[Faithful Son]

Thank you sister Calluna.

I don't think I say thank you enough. As foreign as this all sounds to you, it was even more foreign for me 3 years ago.

I have the peace that God is with me, I trust in Jesus and I have asked to be set free, I ask the Holy Spirit each day. Today was a marvelous day for me, you have no idea.

I just finished watching a movie, called "shop girl". I rarely watch television or movies, and I stay away from everything that has horror or murder in it. This movie was a love story, filled with fornication actually, but I watched it and had fun, even in the sexual scenes, not one bad thought entered, which is extremely rare for me, I thanked God for that.

My minds eye, see's visions, even if my eyes are open, I see an image in front of me, which looks real, but it's transparent, sometimes they are disgusting and sometimes it could be a flower, this has also decreased a lot.

Your prayers are working and without them I would be worse off.

Thank you everyone, God bless you sister Calluna

 

[rizen1]

Brother being a son of God, the devil will always try to distract us with confusion.

Just speak life, and rebuke anything that is not of him.

I would advise you read

Bondage breaker. by Neil T Anderson

 

[Faithful Son]

I don't really have money to buy books sister, but I like reading though. I've recently read a book by Spurgeon regarding prayer, I read it in about 2 weeks, and I forgot every single word.

You know the parable of the seeds on certain places. Because I believe I don't have a choice in this matter, actually I know I don't, God's laws and values don't take root, as it's supposed to.

I tend to read something, and then I just look past it. Faith and belief in Jesus is different however and things I personally get convicted of by God. Anyone could tell me to quit smoking or do something, but I won't, until God convinces me.

Thank you for the words sister, I appreciate it, the prayers as well.

I love you all.

God bless