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I may be getting a divorce (Please Read)

As you are now fully aware of how one can become seduced by another,make sure you see some lasting fruit, before her words look to take a hold of you bro. Do not think she will not do this again,it worked for her the first time! YOU!!! Will have to be strong!! I have no doubt you will!! amen! I myself need much work on even wanting to speak with people I believe have betrayed me! "Depart from me I never knew you" has been my view. We all are are a work in progress for sure,I am glad you are so far along in this brother!!
 
This post just came to my attention and I am joining you and the others in prayer.
You are in a tornado and you can step into the center and bring calm to the storm.
Remember all things work together for good and I believe you love God and qualify for that to happen.
We are fighting for a mind that has been caught up in the tornado and needs peace.
A good website to get proper perspective on the situation is faithandmarriageministries dot org

These are verses I meditate on while praying for those who have forgotten who they really are in Jesus.

Psalm 147:3 He heals the broken hearted and binds up their wounds.
Romans 11:32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
Proverbs 20:24 A man’s steps are directed by the LORD. How then can anyone understand his own way?
Proverbs 21:1 The king’s heart is in the hand of the LORD; he directs it like a watercourse wherever he pleases.
Proverbs 21:30 There is no wisdom, no insight, no plan that can succeed against the LORD.
John 10:10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
Philippians 1:6 being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.
Proverbs 19:22 What a man desires is unfailing love.
Matthew 21:22 And whatever things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.’
John 14:13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.


I ask that the light of Christ shine in her heart and in her mind so that she together with all the saints might know the height depth breadth and width of the love of the Lord Jesus Christ.I ask that a right heart and right mind be restored and the love of God fill every lack,desire and need.
I ask that my brother would be filled with joy because the joy of the Lord is his strength.I also ask that the Father would be glorified in the Son and all those found in him,by revealing the power of love to change hearts and minds.
Amen.

simply, yes...

amen
 
As I've said earlier, you both screwed up, forgive, forget, and move on. Give her an ultimatum: either she wants you or she doesn't. If not, why not? If so, then make it work.
 
Based on the facts as stated I'd go for the divorce. It takes two to make a marriage work and even then it's difficult at times. If you have to "compete" then she's telling you that she's not really in to you. The question becomes: "How much abuse do you wish to take?"

Dear @falconbrother & @Jesus_is_LORD

Actually I believe it takes three brother. With two of them who are now one. Keeping their eyes on the only one who can insure you make it through any of the bumps in the road not only of marriage but life too. When those joined first in Christ Jesus become one in marriage and either of them lose sight/their way. Only through God in prayer, showing the attributes that are Christ Jesus in ones life. Can anything change/rescue occur.

The greater the baggage brought into the marriage the greater the lifting. Too often we believe that we are the arbiters of change in someone else and rarely accept that we can't do anything if the other person doesn't want to. Does this stop us from trying? Nope. Doing this however, takes away the power that is available to us through God to work in our life/marriage. This is especially the case when we believe that it is the other who is the problem and needs to change first! :rolleyes: Any changes and that would include "self", should be left in God's hands. He's the one who has consecrated/joined this union not us. We realize that in our own lives that it is only through the power of the Holy Spirit that God's Grace, Mercy, and Love are showered upon us. What would ever lead us to believe that in marriage that it would be somehow different?

I am not in Jesus_is_LORD shoes. Yet, I won't deny that it has come close at times. Being the stubborn man that I am and further back in my path/walk with the Lord. "I, I, I, I" at times in my marriage with my most wonderful wife, believed that I could make her change! Instead "I" just made it worse. It wasn't until "I" was driven to my knees in tears before the Lord that change occurred. The change actually happened in me first and guess what? "We" were changed as one! What affects one affects the other. We are not separate, but joined!

Brother @Brighthouse has it right in a way. Which is the way Paul felt about it. Pure dedication to God Almighty without any distractions! Ah, if only we all were that way! :( However, I don't mourn over it and acknowledge that with the variety that God is known for that is reflected in this union we call marriage that as one we each can continue to grow this relationship into a joy that words cannot describe or do justice to by God's Unlimited Grace. :D

Do I deny that divorce at times is needed? No. Just that it happens, and happens all too often. We allow for the easier route, before we have even attempted to use the proper resources that works just as well for those who are not married. Prayer, Fasting, etc. Invaluable to any "single" follower of Jesus Christ, but also precious tools for the married person.

If after all that God still moves it so that a divorce happens. Then know it was done righteously by His hands. We know the verse: "So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate."" Matthew 19:6, That is why we leave it in God's hands. For His hands are the only ones who can separate a joining that He has made.

With the love of Jesus Christ.
YBIC
C4E
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Christ4Ever makes a fine point! I am speaking as to me, not to others!! For there is no way I can know the causes, or reason's.We are all different in our heart,and I sure am not about to judge any hearts here!! I just am speaking about this as serious as I myself would take this had it been me under these conditions! Of course, what is so very important is that before marriage would even occur, both would be as serious about this! I know me,and if my wife were to ever become disloyal as to our vow, I forgive her of course, but I would kick her to the curb! ( Col 3:25) Peter denied Jesus,but Judas betrayed Jesus.I give much credit to some who have worked things out!!! One would have to be willing to do this,I would not.No worries to me,I was not born to ever marry!! LOL
 
Thanks Brothers for sharing your wisdom.

So this is where things are.

Her perspective
Of course there are two sides to every conflict. I'm not saying I agree, but just in fairness,
if you were to ask her what the problem is, I assume (based on things said in therapy, and in our home) she would say:

He is the problem. He thinks he is always right. He makes me feel like a sinner. He is always trying to work to make himself
better and fight his issues of sin but he just needs to give it to God. He doesn't want us to watch rated R movies, He doesn't want

me to drink alcohol. He even doesn't want me to watch shows like scandal. He is controlling and has problems letting go which is why
I filed a peace order in court against him. He is always talking about us doing what is best for our marriage, but we need to do what is best for

ourselves. Sometimes the marriage can't get better until we work on each other. He isn't supportive to me emotionally. Yes he has gotten better
with dates and compliments, but it is not consistent. He thinks that I left him because of a relationship or a job but it wasn't that, I didn't feel
appreciated. I didn't feel loved. I needed Him to tell me I am beautiful. I want Him to get excited about me the same way He gets
excited about his stupid articles or hobbies. His eyes lights up when he talks about computers or science, I want his eyes to light up
when he talks about me. Yes, I did see another guy during our separation but it was because I was emotionally
low and he wasn't filling me up. I wanted him to pursue me and maybe if he felt he had competition for her he would
spend more time and pay more attention to me. I admitted it was wrong and I even confessed it to him.

No I don't want to be in this marriage. We rushed
into it, we got engaged after only 2 months of knowing
each other. We met on Eharmony so we never really knew each other, though we thought we did.
Many people stay in marriages and are miserable. I don't want to be miserable my whole life.
What is the point of making a marriage work, just to be in the marriage and miserable , like my parents their whole life.

I believe God wants more for me than that. This is his first real relationship he doesn't
want to left go of me. He is a nice guy which is why I married him, but i'm not really attracted to him. I was just drawn to him by his kindness
but we didn't really know each other. People are complicated and complex, he things I want to hurt him but if I do something, there
are many layers to it and its not because I want to be mean but there are many factors to think about and life is complex.

He needs to get more friends and have other things to focus on so he won't be so focused on me and critical of what I do.
My God is a God of Grace and He needs to learn to live by Grace instead of trying to control everything.
I still wish him the best in life but I don't know why we are so mean to each other and I can't stay in a marriage
where we just hurt each other.

<HER PERSPECTIVE>



My perspective
The whole process has been so weird. The pattern has always been her leaving me. I've never threatened to ever leave her
during our marriage. I believe because of her past trauma she is very sensitive to confrontation and sees things in a threatening manner
when there is no danger. Her self defense coping style seems to be running away and fleeing. It seems she is still dealing with PTSD
from past abuse and transfers that over to me. Our therapist even told her that she looks at me and sees her past abusers even though
I'm not like them. Also because of a traumatic past with her father who never affirmed her worth, she takes the slightly thing as a negative
criticism because her father was always critical of her. I have learned that I can be critical, but not to the degree that she magnifies it to.

She wants constant
compliments, and I do my best to shower her with them but it is never enough. It is like a bottomless pit, I keep pouring
and pouring into her but she never appreciates what I do and is always telling me I'm not doing enough, when I'm giving her my all.

I've been always begging(in a sense) her to come back when she leaves, but I learned that I had to give her, her space. The more

I pursue the more threatened she feels and the more it allows her to treat me like cr*p.

I admit I can be very naive and clueless to what is really happening, I'm finding. And I've learned that my wife is very deceitful and dishonest.
I think she has a good heart at times, but ultimately seeks her own interest. I also think that there is a lot of spiritual forces influencing her
just based on the impulsivity of her actions. She goes from calm one moment to I want a divorce over what seems like nothing. I know
it is because of unforgiveness she has towards me for something that may have happens months ago but for her it all runs together.

We all have our issues and I don't say these things about her to say look I'm good and she is bad, no! We are all sinners and we need
to forgive. I have forgiven her and hold no anger towards her, though it is sad. I'm willing to make things work but she is telling me she
does not want to. Ultimately I know God is in control and i'm praying for Him to work out His perfect will for our marriage. When she left the
first time I prayed day and night for God to bring her back, after 3 months my prayers were answered and God brought her back with the
event of having her get fired from her job. With no place to live she told me she was coming back.
After 6 months of being back when she got another job she left again after an argument. Now I still pray for her, but
I don't pray for God to bring her back. I just pray for His Will to be done for our marriage. I love her but am tired of the hell. I know God can
save our marriage. I am praying for God to change her heart, and when I pray for God to work on her I always try to pray for myself as well
know I too have issues. For me now it is not a matter of me being mad at her, or not forgiving her, it is mainly that I don't trust her, and

just sense a lot of evil (not in your face evil, but deceitful, smiles in your face but doing something else) from her. It's to the point that I feel
sick in my stomach when I get a text message, because I get traumatized just thinking about her. The trauma just comes from her
trying to use the courts against me(failed), threatening to sue me for money(failed), and just the evilness that stains my spirit even when

I just think about her. Once again, I'm not mad at her, I think she doesn't think of herself as doing evil things but just acting in her best interest,
which is a matter of selfishness. But I remain open to reconciliation if it happens before the divorce papers that she has nearly blackmailed

me to sign get processed. I even told her if we do get divorce I'm open to remarrying her if the LORD leads us that way. I'm open to what God is doing(I hope).

Its interesting because she was pushing[nearly blackmailing me] the divorce, but when I got the papers[for her to sign], her response was, "
What's the rush. I didn't think you would get them so early. We don't have to sign them just now do we." So she just confuses me(but my issues is I tend to be clueless it seems). She is begging for a divorce then when the papers come, she gets scared, she eventually signed some of them, but not all and there is another paper the court says we need to sign, and not court date is set yet.

Status

We are still currently married, but the process has started for divorce, but no court date is set and no more document remains for her to sign, and I don't even
know when I will have her sign it because at times I just even the respite of giving her, her space. When I had her sign the papers that she requested, I
asked her if this was what she wanted[divorce]. She stated, no this is not what I want but is what must happen. I didn't ask her what she meant as I didn't want
to know. Perhaps she is tired of the stress, perhaps she is in another relationship, IDK.

If anyone of us doesn't attend the court
date to be set, the divorce will not happen since ours is not a contested hearing with attorneys but a mutual agreement.

I try to rejoice randomly throughout the day knowing that God is working things out for His Glory, no matter how it turns out.
Yea is in control and I'm trying to draw closer to Him during this time and allowing Him to do what only He can.

 
Peter denied Jesus,but Judas betrayed Jesus.
If Judas had not played the role given to him then scripture could not have been fulfilled.
Jesus had chosen Judas and made Judas the treasurer even though he knew he was a thief.
Some might consider that poor church planning today.
Jesus understood his role and Judas was a key player in God's plan.
Matthew 26:50 Jesus said, "My friend, go ahead and do what you have come for." Then the others grabbed Jesus and arrested him.
I know in my heart that Jesus loved Judas and forgave him before it ever happened.
What happened later was Judas's choice.

No worries to me,I was not born to ever marry!!
I agree but you may need to pass this test in some other way.
How else will you begin to carry your cross?
1 Corinthians 13:4 Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud
1 Corinthians 13:5 or rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged.


I feel that Hosea by obeying in faith was allowing God to show him the pain we cause God by rejecting him even though he is still the one paying the bills.
Hosea 1:2 When the LORD first spoke through Hosea, the LORD said to Hosea, "Go, take to yourself a wife of harlotry and have children of harlotry; for the land commits flagrant harlotry, forsaking the LORD."
 
Thecrosshurts,where in scripture do you find Jesus giving him a job he had all along??( John 12:6) please look at verse 4 Judas intentions,not forced as many like to picture.Like Judas had no choice or something?? Judas did not play a role,it is that the Lord knew his sorry heart from the beginning!( Jer 1:5) also (Psalms 139:13-16) Also 1 Peter 1:2. ( Matt 26:50) as you gave as a quote uses the word friend as a companion or comrade,what would Judas know about the true understanding of the word friend?? LOL ( John 15:11-15)

The result of Judas choice comes into play here!( Matt 26:24) So bad!! In Acts he has a special place in hell!!( Acts 1:16-25!!!!) The reason he exploded as he did, ( verse 18) was because the devil himself had entered him!!( Luke 22:3) then again in John 13:27!!) Judas gets no pass!!! He had become a thief as the devil himself has been and will ever be!!( John 10:10)

Next point, The question we must ask ourselves is what is the cross Jesus is talking about? Many have different views on this subject,I look at the cross as the very law of Jesus to us.( Gal 6:2) To bear one another's burdens,for a time!!! Not forever!! The point to bear each others burden is for that person to understand how one can carry his or her own load. verse 5 For how can one carry anothers burden if they first have not learned to carry there own? ( Matt 11:28-30) hence why we do not grumble or complain.( Gal 6:1) we LOVE!!( John 13:34-35) with a purpose!!( 2Tim 3:16-17)
 
Jesus_Is_ Lord, I remember after coming into the Lord how tough i looked to be on others as well!! I could point out all kinds of faults others had!! LOl I was good at this to!! LOL Then one day a kind brother took he aside and showed me this.( Matt 7:3-5!!!) Oh, Oh!! there is no one created who can become made to follow! Holy Spirit said through him.

They follow because there will is to follow,even as we ourselves follow brother. Rather then point,look to lead as the Good Shepherd did to the people as well. The only people rebuked were those who were doing the rebuking to start with!!( Matt 23!!!!) We do not wish to become a scribe or a Pharisee!! A light which shines casts no judgment upon another,but!!!! The light does revel shadows of those who have not come into the total light!( Matt 5:13-16)

This is not done so people will give any glory to us!! Look how good you are!! LOL But rather a deep understanding of just how we in Christ Jesus attain all of his promises!!( 1 Cor 1:30-31) And how, as HIS SERVANT we can encourage others to follow Jesus even as we follow! We are a work in progress good brother!! We will always be this!!( Phil 1:6) SO!!

The very same grace we receive in our weakness,we look to bestow upon those who so need the hope we now have!( 2 Peter 3:18 and 2 Cor 12:9-10!!) Our foundation brother!!( Eph 3:17-21!!!) The knowledge which Jesus gives us through and by his own Word,we then act upon the wisdom of the very knowledge! For ourselves first,so that we then can give this to another. This severe change in our mindset takes time,but time well spent!!! I sure have found out!!( Rom 15:13!!!)
 
Thecrosshurts,where in scripture do you find Jesus giving him a job he had all along??
Jesus hand picked the twelve and he knew what Judas would choose and that he would pilfer the treasury,yet he appointed him to be treasurer.
I find that very interesting.Of course Judas had a choice as we all do but God knew what he would choose just like he knew what Hosea's wife would choose.Both played a role in fulfilling scripture and people come into our lives who can allow us to fulfill those same scriptures.
as you gave as a quote uses the word friend as a companion or comrade,what would Judas know about the true understanding of the word friend?? LOL
I don't have time to expound on this but it's part of a pattern that is repeated in scripture.
Proverbs 27:6 Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.
Is it possible that Jesus had forgiven him knowing what was going to take place?

He had become a thief as the devil himself has been and will ever be!!
Yes,and all the rest of mankind.
Next point, The question we must ask ourselves is what is the cross Jesus is talking about?
I can only answer that for myself and for me it was to be love and not demand my own way,to keep no record of wrong,to believe that all things work together for good and to bless those who deceitfully use me.
To pray for my enemies as I would pray for an only son.
To walk with them an extra mile and give them what they ask of me.
To see them included in Jesus's request when he said from the cross "Father forgive them for they do not know what they are doing".
To see all as children affected by the ravages of living in time with urges they don't fully understand and being shaped by an environment they had no control over.
An absolute trust that love never fails.
In short to overcome evil with good.
 
Greetings,

I can only answer that for myself and for me it was to be love and not demand my own way,to keep no record of wrong,to believe that all things work together for good and to bless those who deceitfully use me.
To pray for my enemies as I would pray for an only son.
To walk with them an extra mile and give them what they ask of me.
To see them included in Jesus's request when he said from the cross "Father forgive them for they do not know what they are doing".
To see all as children affected by the ravages of living in time with urges they don't fully understand and being shaped by an environment they had no control over.
An absolute trust that love never fails.
In short to overcome evil with good.


Thanks for the reminder


Bless you ....><>
 
Greetings again,

I feel that Hosea by obeying in faith was allowing God to show him the pain we cause God by rejecting him even though he is still the one paying the bills.
Hosea 1:2 When the LORD first spoke through Hosea, the LORD said to Hosea, "Go, take to yourself a wife of harlotry and have children of harlotry; for the land commits flagrant harlotry, forsaking the LORD."


heavy duty!


Bless you ....><>
 
Rare someone can actually shock me!!! LOL You did though Thiscrosshurts!! In reply to what i said, "He had become a thief as the devil himself has been and ever will be", You replied Yes as all the rest of mankind??? Placing all as a Judas??? yikes!
 
Rare someone can actually shock me!!! LOL You did though Thiscrosshurts!! In reply to what i said, "He had become a thief as the devil himself has been and ever will be", You replied Yes as all the rest of mankind??? Placing all as a Judas??? yikes!

Ah, yes! Yikes!

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Rom 3:23

That would include you and it would include me, I do believe.
 
My perspective
The whole process has been so weird. The pattern has always been her leaving me. I've never threatened to ever leave her
during our marriage. I believe because of her past trauma she is very sensitive to confrontation and sees things in a threatening manner
when there is no danger. Her self defense coping style seems to be running away and fleeing. It seems she is still dealing with PTSD
from past abuse and transfers that over to me. Our therapist even told her that she looks at me and sees her past abusers even though
I'm not like them. Also because of a traumatic past with her father who never affirmed her worth, she takes the slightly thing as a negative
criticism because her father was always critical of her. I have learned that I can be critical, but not to the degree that she magnifies it to.
You are on the right track,our neural network stores images and makes connections.
I believe you are hearing the Holy Spirit who teaches how things really work and what went wrong so you can set it right by bringing the light to shine in the dark.

In childhood we don't process and judge the way an adult does,we just store the information as "normal".
When "normal" is abusive the information remains stored in images of the past and issues concerning love are connected to the feelings that reside with those images.
In other words she loves you so she is showing you the default normal feeling connected with what she learned as love.

The neural network does not understand future or past it stores images by the feelings connected with them.
That's why dwelling on the past can bring depression while dwelling on the future can bring anxiety especially when the past was abusive.
If love and family was good to you as a child you will feel loss because the "now" is such a contrast to your normal feelings of love and family.She longs for your (if you have good memories associated with love) version of family and love but when the new information is stored in the same places as the old then a feeling of abnormality can cause anxiety,fear and panic resulting in a desire for escape.
That desire for escape was developed at some point when the child sees other families and longs for real love that they see in others.
By that time the child has many times developed a shell of coldness or even angry rage and a desire to withdraw from interaction.

You are literally saving a child because even though we know the past is only a memory the feelings connected to the images is very "now".
The faithful prayer of a righteous one(we agree as "one" in Christ so we are "one") can bring light to those memory centers and God's love permeates time and space and like a time machine he is with her in the past as well as now.Part of her is trapped in childhood and so we need to set that child free.God's love has it's own feelings so we start building God's images of love and contentedness that far outshine any other feeling connected with any other image.Get an image of her in Christ and keep it.
Godspeed brother
 
Greetings @Brighthouse ,

Thou, O God, didst send a plentiful rain, whereby thou didst confirm Thine inheritance, when it was weary.

Psalm 68:9


Jesus_Is_ Lord, I remember after coming into the Lord how tough i looked to be on others as well!! I could point out all kinds of faults others had!! LOl I was good at this to!! LOL Then one day a kind brother took he aside and showed me this.( Matt 7:3-5!!!) Oh, Oh!! there is no one created who can become made to follow! Holy Spirit said through him.

They follow because there will is to follow,even as we ourselves follow brother. Rather then point,look to lead as the Good Shepherd did to the people as well. The only people rebuked were those who were doing the rebuking to start with!!( Matt 23!!!!) We do not wish to become a scribe or a Pharisee!! A light which shines casts no judgment upon another,but!!!! The light does revel shadows of those who have not come into the total light!( Matt 5:13-16)

This is not done so people will give any glory to us!! Look how good you are!! LOL But rather a deep understanding of just how we in Christ Jesus attain all of his promises!!( 1 Cor 1:30-31) And how, as HIS SERVANT we can encourage others to follow Jesus even as we follow! We are a work in progress good brother!! We will always be this!!( Phil 1:6) SO!!

The very same grace we receive in our weakness,we look to bestow upon those who so need the hope we now have!( 2 Peter 3:18 and 2 Cor 12:9-10!!) Our foundation brother!!( Eph 3:17-21!!!) The knowledge which Jesus gives us through and by his own Word,we then act upon the wisdom of the very knowledge! For ourselves first,so that we then can give this to another. This severe change in our mindset takes time,but time well spent!!! I sure have found out!!( Rom 15:13!!!)

Hear what you are saying here.
(two sound the same but are not)

Which brings us to hearing. Unless one hears the Gospel they can not bear fruit. Yes there is faith and walking etc in between and overlapping but first hearing and then the fruit will follow, if they have listened to what they have heard.

We do not see a tree producing fruit to make a point or to do better than last season.
We tend to do that and make living into works of our own efforts.
What we all need is to see our Saviour more and more and to abide in Him.
We do not know the end of a matter but we do know that it is God Who gives the increase.
We also know His will if we listen, if we incline our ears to Him and do that which He tells us.

What you have written is right provided it is understood correctly, and what @Thiscrosshurts has written is right provided it is understood correctly but we all know something even righter, if that can be said, and that is that the love of God is shed...

And because ye are sons,
God hath sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Galatians 4:6

And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
Romans 5:5

and therefore we can pray for this man and this woman, which is best.


Bless you ....><>
 
Not talking about sin Amadeus!! taking about betrayal! i am not in the sinless perfection group!! LOL Peter sinned by denying,Judas betrayed! A large difference as i have shown in scripture.
 
Brother Bear,scripture corrects as we all know,therefore to me, a stand therefore which cannot be shown in scripture needs correction to me bro. I am not angry in the least bit!! But i cannot take a stand i cannot show. To compare Judas to all people living,cannot be shown in scripture. Not all Betray!! Yes all fall short! As Peter and the rest of the disciples!!( Matt 26:56) denial is not the same as being betrayed. Not to me anyway.
 
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