I never knew you

[A servant of the Kings]

That is so untrue as the baptism is just the beginning for a sinner. Who is born again that follows the law prior, if it were possible Paul would have been
one of those extremely few maybe.
Acts 15:7 And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: Men and brethren you know how that a good while ago, God chose among us that by my mouth the gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.
So God who knows the heart GAVE THEM THE HOLY GHOST, just as He did to us.................
Now who among the gentiles and Peter were non sinners PRIOR to receiving the Holy Ghost??

What say ye to Pauls testimony in Romans 7: Now If I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. I find then a law,
that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. For I delight in the law of God in the inward man.
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

We are saved and given the helper (Holy Ghost) to overcome the world. The spiritual son within does not sin, but the flesh will. Thus yes the Holy Ghost
resides in us bringing us closer to a sinless being, but since the body is sinful it must pass away and until it does it will always be the foe of the inward man.
The carnal mind is the lackey that must die and as it dies the new creature feeds off its decay like new growth from a forest fire.

You were given that mind before birth and you still have it as it is your greatest enemy, devised by the Father as an obstacle to overcome.

If we are sinless beings then we would not have anything to overcome, but as the warnings to the 7 churches were made they were to His people
then and now to not partake but overcome those issues. Some do, some don't, but only the ones who overcome are those that are rewarded.

You were washed once but until your dead physically you'll still need your feet cleaned now and then.

And to deny that you have a carnal mind, not carnally minded, is willful fear of engaging it to battle. Just as Satans greatest feat is to have humans
believe He does not exist, so it is with the carnal mind, to deny it isn't killing it!

Jesus has taught me as you say, it is like that on earth. Because we should ideally honor what we agreed to in baptism
every second of time on earth that we have. But that is beyond humans so God will not expect perfection from us.

But He will expect us to stay on the way that He is. If a person turn away from the way that He is, that leads to Father,
then we will not arrived at the destination of the way Jesus has explained t me.

What we agree to in baptism is to kill the old man that was darkness, and choose the new man who is light.

However the whole thing is complicated for us who live in time, by the fact that baptism is a pact made in heaven
where there is no time, where eternity is.

So if we really chose the light with all our mind heart and soul, then we did it forever.

 

[A servant of the Kings]

Yes, baptism comes in stages.
And many that are called never seek Him other then confessing Him as Lord and Savior, and getting dunked under the water.
Many will never forsake anything of this world's precious life, to ever earnestly seek Him.

No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please HIM who hath chosen him to be a soldier. 2 Tim 2:4
Do you understand this scripture?
Can't serve God and mammon...
We're all in for God, or lost in the world.

You prob think this old world just going to keep the same pace as always too.
Hang on...
We got some strong God awakening events coming up on all the world.

God first always.

So your not double minded...but still a sinner?
Yes I still live in a flesh body, so did Jesus.
What was the one thing that was different between Him, and everyone else?
Remember there was no sin in Him....
Jesus was born of the Holy Ghost.
The others were granted gifts for a season; until they were born of the Holy Ghost in the upper room after Jesus resurrection.
The Holy Ghost lives in the temple God constructed or it don't.
Sin and the holy ghost cannot live in the same temple.
It is not possible.

Look who Paul was on His way to Damascus...
threatening, beating and killing anyone who preached in the name of Jesus.
What happened to Paul on the road?
An immediate, spiritual manifestation took place.
Paul's life changed in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, he was a disciple of Christ; an apostle he called himself.
Paul was full of sin, but not after the Holy Ghost filled him.
Paul didn't go through stages of baptism, Paul was a chosen vessel of God.

It happens the same way for us. In an instant, immediately.

God first always.

Yes it happens in an instant, when God sends His lightnings into the Temple of God within,
I am as stuck by a lightning, the son of man returns with the lightning as is written.

The son of man is not Jesus, the son of man knows there are two
He knows light and darkness.

To know light we must be replaced by light
That is to love with all our hearts minds and souls

Because as it is written God is Love

 

[A servant of the Kings]

● John 6:54 . .Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life

The grammatical tense of "has" is present tense rather than future tense, indicating
that people who correctly dine upon Christ's flesh and blood obtain eternal life right
away-- no delay and no waiting period.

Eternal life is a crucial element of Christianity. The reason I say that is because
according to God's input-- as an expert witness in all matters pertaining to the
faith --people without eternal life are also without His son; i.e. they are literally
quite christless.

● 1John 5:11-12 . . This is what God has testified: He has given us eternal life,
and this life is in His son. So whoever has God's son has this life; and whosoever
does not have this life, does not have His son.

Ergo: people without eternal life are in the category of those whom Jesus does not
Know, i.e. they are not yet unified with him.
_

Yes when we eat and drink the food of the Kingdom
we have eternally eaten, because the treasures of the Kingdom is eternal

We must choose the light to become the light
God gave us a choice

The problem for those that cannot see Jesus
Has not seen Him on His throne in the third heaven

Have not heard Him speak
or witness miracles He made for them
And has not seen of the glorious Kingdom of God

Such a person must rely on faith

When we have seen and known, then we know

It is like if I have been to Jerusalem then I could tell someone the way there
But the one that has never been there must trust me, or someone else that has been
in that Jerusalem exists, and the way to go there.

When He has been there himself, He will know.

He will have known Jesus
And Jesus will have known him

 

[watertolive]

No that is not true this will apply: 1 John 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

It is God who is without sin, God is within us, we are the children of light, the flesh will die, the light is eternally,
So we are sin free, but to know it every second, to never make a mistake, it is beyond humans.

The more we repent, the closer we get to purity, that is why repentance to the remission of sin shall be preached
in His name to the world.

That is why He asks us to pray the Lords prayer, if there were no debts, He would not ask us to to say
Forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors.

Greetings in the Lord
I thought you were mature and had came into the perfection of Him.
Yep, the world is sinners, so was I when I was in the world.
I am not in the world, but in Him.
Yes, that is what we are to preach, repentance for the remission of sins and eternal salvation.
How many times does the Lord have to die for you? Heb6:4-8
Heb10:26-31
The Holy Ghost and sin can not live in the same body.
It is not possible.
Many can not receive this message, cause you have never undergone your spiritual baptism.
And apparently the true salvation of the Lord.
Sanctified....what does it mean?
Either you are or you are not.
One can not sanctity themselves, only Father God can do this.

Example:
A woman tried to offend me by touching my boobs. 3 times.
I had a giant 3 dimensional cross on my shirt.
She knew who I stood for.
Within 3 mo, she lay in a hospital dying from kidney failure.
She was very young, 30s.

A man thought he could touch me.
He knew who I stood for.
Within 6 mo, his perfectly healthy wife, lay dead.
And he's dying of colon cancer.

God will recompense. Vengeance belongs to the Lord.

Yes it is very possible to reach the heavenly heights of purity, right here on earth, but only must separate themselves from this world and walk in the Spirit with God.

One believes the Word of God, or they don't.
And yes, I am the greatest sinner of you all.

Cling to only God, separate yourself from this world.
Be God's soldier 2Tim2:4-6
Lawfully...no sin, total submission to God.

This message is not for the faint hearted, who think they can straddle the fence between God and mammon.
Full of sin and death...
Never coming into the fullness of God.

It right there on the pages.
Repent of your sins, from the heart, only then, He will hear you.
Perhaps you too will be blessed with the spiritual heavenly gift of God in you.
He will not reside in a temple of sin and death.
If your a sinner, still sinning, God doesn't reside in you.
He is watching, listening, knows all about it.
So yes...REPENT!!! and cling to Him, nothing but Him.
The world says it lonely at the top; yea rather so blessed the world hates you and wants to kill you.

God first always.
All praise, glory and honor be unto God. Amen

 

[Samson2020]

Yes, baptism comes in stages.
And many that are called never seek Him other then confessing Him as Lord and Savior, and getting dunked under the water.
Many will never forsake anything of this world's precious life, to ever earnestly seek Him.

No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please HIM who hath chosen him to be a soldier. 2 Tim 2:4
Do you understand this scripture?
Can't serve God and mammon...
We're all in for God, or lost in the world.

You prob think this old world just going to keep the same pace as always too.
Hang on...
We got some strong God awakening events coming up on all the world.

God first always.

Baptism does not come in stages, either you are born again or your not. Either your sealed til the day of redemption or not.
The ongoing transformation into the image of the son occurs over time. This is the war that we are to struggle to attain to. However; no matter
how much struggling we do, it is still God that giveth the increase. So your perfecting occurs on His schedule and one must enter into His rest
while seemingly waiting for the increase. I can over water and over fertilize my garden and it will only die, even though water and fertilizer
are what the plants need, but all with moderation or I only kill what I seek to attain.

Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city(heavenly), and thou
shalt dwell in the field(earth), and thou shalt go even to Babylon(fallen carnal nature/mind); there shall thou be delivered; there the LORD
shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies.

 

[B-A-C]

Baptism does not come in stages, either you are born again or your not.

And yet, in the Bible... it was in stages.

Acts 8:14; Now when the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent them Peter and John,
Acts 8:15; who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit.
Acts 8:16; For He had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 8:17; Then they began laying their hands on them, and they were receiving the Holy Spirit.

Acts 19:2; He said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said to him, "No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit."
Acts 19:3; And he said, "Into what then were you baptized?" And they said, "Into John's baptism."
Acts 19:4; Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus."
Acts 19:5; When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 19:6; And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying.
Acts 19:7; There were in all about twelve men.

Acts 10:44; While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message.
Acts 10:45; All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.
Acts 10:46; For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered,
Acts 10:47; "Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?"
Acts 10:48; And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.

No one in the Bible received the baptism of the Holy Spirit at the instant of Salvation. ( John the Baptist, had it from his mother's womb, but he was an exception ) Luke 1:15;
Even Paul had to wait three days after the road to Damascus.

Acts 9:9; And he was three days without sight, and neither ate nor drank.
Acts 9:17; So Ananias departed and entered the house, and after laying his hands on him said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road by which you were coming, has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit."
Acts 9:18; And immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he regained his sight, and he got up and was baptized;

Luke 11:13; "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?"

Also just because you've had it at some point in your life, doesn't guarantee you are saved at the current time.

Heb 6:4; For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
Heb 6:5; and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
Heb 6:6; and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

Matt 7:21; "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matt 7:22; "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Matt 7:23; "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

This last passage supports the Trinity, and the "stages" of baptism. Jesus is not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit isn't Jesus. It is possible Jesus never knew them.

 

[watertolive]

Baptism does not come in stages, either you are born again or your not. Either your sealed til the day of redemption or not.
The ongoing transformation into the image of the son occurs over time. This is the war that we are to struggle to attain to. However; no matter
how much struggling we do, it is still God that giveth the increase. So your perfecting occurs on His schedule and one must enter into His rest
while seemingly waiting for the increase. I can over water and over fertilize my garden and it will only die, even though water and fertilizer
are what the plants need, but all with moderation or I only kill what I seek to attain.

Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city(heavenly), and thou
shalt dwell in the field(earth), and thou shalt go even to Babylon(fallen carnal nature/mind); there shall thou be delivered; there the LORD
shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies.

True baptism is immediate.
How many times did one start the race and fall way?
Until there was no more falling away.
Transformation happens in an instant.
We can not transform ourselves either.
God does that one too.
We begin cleansing the mind by washing of water by the Word of God; seeking the kingdom of heaven first, the milk of the Word.
God unveils the word to us as we go along seeking Him, laying more of self down. Yea, knowing don't do that, for the law of God is written in our hearts. Godly sorrow brings a soul to true repentance. God does that too.
We begin to see more of Him, a self as we truly are, disgusting and gross, pathetic and full of shame.
He is then got our attention, and we feasting upon his flesh then.
We are babes at first, crawling and sipping on milk; then going to biscuits and gravy, eventually the meat.
We have to crawl before we walk.
Then we walk, and stumble about, but hang on.
Being chastens of the Lord is good. He keeps us walking.
For He is able to make one stand.
Always having faith, God takes us from righteousness, to glory, to holiness, to perfection.
All those stages one stumbles around a bit until it happens.
In an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, God happens; blessing us with the Holy Ghost and the Spirit of truth.
The seven Spirits of God before His throne, will come to reside in the believer as God has prepared his vessel of clay to receive even more.
Bringing us into the fullness of God.
He is the way, the truth, and the life. No one goes to the Father but through the Christ of God.

I encourage everyone of you, press into Him.
We can have as much of him as we want, the choice is ours.
Our ways, is not God's ways.

Man did not teach me what I know; God taught me.
I am so blessed I didn't have to suffer through many false teachings. Some, but not years.

God wants you to walk; one can't stand and walk in the fullness of Him being a sinner.
It is not possible.

God first always
All praise glory and honor be unto God.

 

[watertolive]

And yet, in the Bible... it was in stages.

Acts 8:14; Now when the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent them Peter and John,
Acts 8:15; who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit.
Acts 8:16; For He had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 8:17; Then they began laying their hands on them, and they were receiving the Holy Spirit.

Acts 19:2; He said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said to him, "No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit."
Acts 19:3; And he said, "Into what then were you baptized?" And they said, "Into John's baptism."
Acts 19:4; Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus."
Acts 19:5; When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 19:6; And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying.
Acts 19:7; There were in all about twelve men.

Acts 10:44; While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message.
Acts 10:45; All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.
Acts 10:46; For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered,
Acts 10:47; "Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?"
Acts 10:48; And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.

No one in the Bible received the baptism of the Holy Spirit at the instant of Salvation. ( John the Baptist, had it from his mother's womb, but he was an exception ) Luke 1:15;
Even Paul had to wait three days after the road to Damascus.

Acts 9:9; And he was three days without sight, and neither ate nor drank.
Acts 9:17; So Ananias departed and entered the house, and after laying his hands on him said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road by which you were coming, has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit."
Acts 9:18; And immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he regained his sight, and he got up and was baptized;

Luke 11:13; "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?"

Also just because you've had it at some point in your life, doesn't guarantee you are saved at the current time.

Heb 6:4; For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
Heb 6:5; and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
Heb 6:6; and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

Matt 7:21; "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matt 7:22; "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Matt 7:23; "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

This last passage supports the Trinity, and the "stages" of baptism. Jesus is not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit isn't Jesus. It is possible Jesus never knew them.

Except for Paul, he was hand picked of the Lord.

Jesus and John were born of the Holy Ghost at birth.

And others came along the trail like we do.
Chasing him, stumbling over a rock or two, til one day it happens and we don't.

I stumbled, after blessed with the ghost; the thieves came first and stole everything, 4 properties gone, then the house I lived in was burned to the ground. People died, including my son in prison. I would rather lose everything in this world, just as I did, then eternal life.

How much are y'all willing to sacrifice to get to heaven?
Be not conformed to this world, be ye separate; be righteous, be holy, be perfect, walk in the Spirit; be Christ like.

Push, I say PUSH!
Eventually a vessel fit to be used by the King.

God first always
All praise glory and honor be unto God. Amen

 

[Samson2020]

And yet, in the Bible... it was in stages.

Acts 8:14; Now when the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent them Peter and John,
Acts 8:15; who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit.
Acts 8:16; For He had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 8:17; Then they began laying their hands on them, and they were receiving the Holy Spirit.

Acts 19:2; He said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said to him, "No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit."
Acts 19:3; And he said, "Into what then were you baptized?" And they said, "Into John's baptism."
Acts 19:4; Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus."
Acts 19:5; When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 19:6; And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying.
Acts 19:7; There were in all about twelve men.

Acts 10:44; While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message.
Acts 10:45; All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.
Acts 10:46; For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered,
Acts 10:47; "Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?"
Acts 10:48; And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.

No one in the Bible received the baptism of the Holy Spirit at the instant of Salvation. ( John the Baptist, had it from his mother's womb, but he was an exception ) Luke 1:15;
Even Paul had to wait three days after the road to Damascus.

Acts 9:9; And he was three days without sight, and neither ate nor drank.
Acts 9:17; So Ananias departed and entered the house, and after laying his hands on him said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road by which you were coming, has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit."
Acts 9:18; And immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he regained his sight, and he got up and was baptized;

Luke 11:13; "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?"

Also just because you've had it at some point in your life, doesn't guarantee you are saved at the current time.

Heb 6:4; For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
Heb 6:5; and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
Heb 6:6; and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

Matt 7:21; "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matt 7:22; "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Matt 7:23; "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

This last passage supports the Trinity, and the "stages" of baptism. Jesus is not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit isn't Jesus. It is possible Jesus never knew them.

My point was that there is just one baptism that counts for "Without the Spirit ye are none of His" Romans 8:9
Any one can be baptized in water but that does not make one born again. Until He baptizes with the Holy Ghost even though they are water baptized
they are not born again.

All of the above only proves the point.

Until you are made a partaker you remain un-born again.

Your examples show that some were Holy Ghost filled prior to water baptism and some were water baptized before receiving the Holy Ghost but
the fact that the only true baptism with the Holy Ghost that makes you one of His, is the one baptism that counts.

Eph 4:5-6 One Lord, One faith, One Baptism, ONE GOD and Father of ALL, who IS ABOVE ALL, and through all, and in you all.

Thus Johns Baptism = Water (Symbolic)
Jesus' Baptism= Holy Ghost. The TRUE Spiritual transformation. This is the one that counts.

 

[watertolive]

Yes it happens in an instant, when God sends His lightnings into the Temple of God within,
I am as stuck by a lightning, the son of man returns with the lightning as is written.

The son of man is not Jesus, the son of man knows there are two
He knows light and darkness.

To know light we must be replaced by light
That is to love with all our hearts minds and souls

Because as it is written God is Love

The son and daughter of man knows light and darkness.
We were darkness before we were light.
How would I know darkness, had I not been darkness first myself.
Now, I am light; cause I chose the Light; when they both stood before me and I lay the gun down.

I walk into this world and the churches and I see darkness all around.
I hear false teachers, and prophets, and earthling beings.

God is light and love; there is no darkness or sin in Him at all.
And He will not live in a sinful temple.
It is not possible.
They are enmity, one against the other.
The flesh, darkness, warring against the Spirit within, Light, enmity one against the other.
Pray without ceasing, sing spiritual songs and hymns to God, thinking and feast upon the scriptures giving no area for darkness to rear its ugly face.
We are told these things for a reason.
Darkness always looking to take the Light from us.
Do not give place to the enemy.
For he is not polite, will step right on in the open door of opportunity. Do not give him opportunity.

God first always.
All praise glory and honor be unto God. Amen

 

[Samson2020]

This last passage supports the Trinity, and the "stages" of baptism. Jesus is not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit isn't Jesus. It is possible Jesus never knew them.

Not hardly. But the Trinity is another subject.

It is Jesus who baptizes with the Holy Ghost so if you have it then He at some point knew you in order for you to have it.

 

[Samson2020]

Jesus and John were born of the Holy Ghost at birth.

Would you care to scripturally support that statement?

Seeing that Jesus had said even the least IN THE KINGDOM IS GREATER THAN JOHN,
And that Jesus received the Holy Ghost at Jordan when He was 30ish.

And if John was born of the Holy Ghost why would He tell Jesus he needed to be baptized by Him?

 

[watertolive]

My point was that there is just one baptism that counts for "Without the Spirit ye are none of His" Romans 8:9
Any one can be baptized in water but that does not make one born again. Until He baptizes with the Holy Ghost even though they are water baptized
they are not born again.

All of the above only proves the point.

Until you are made a partaker you remain un-born again.

Your examples show that some were Holy Ghost filled prior to water baptism and some were water baptized before receiving the Holy Ghost but
the fact that the only true baptism with the Holy Ghost that makes you one of His, is the one baptism that counts.

Eph 4:5-6 One Lord, One faith, One Baptism, ONE GOD and Father of ALL, who IS ABOVE ALL, and through all, and in you all.

Thus Johns Baptism = Water (Symbolic)
Jesus' Baptism= Holy Ghost. The TRUE Spiritual transformation. This is the one that counts.

Some were baptized with the Ghost first, then were dunked, baptized in the water.

He rained his righteousness upon me. I had not been reborn yet. First open eyed vision I had
I stood under a giant tent at revival.
A white rain fell under that tent canopy.
I was soaked to the bone in the Spirit.
I could feel it dripping off my face, my clothes were soaked and clinging to my skin.
In the physical I was bone dry.
I did not know what it was until years later.
God took me in the Word and showed me.
For Holy Ghost filled preachers looked at me like I was insane.
Here on TJ, I was scoffed at and persecuted by those who said they "believe".
Just because self hasn't experienced anything, yet, doesn't mean it not true.

Under that same tent, the town drunk joined us one night.
He stood up called the preacher the devil, pointing his little bony finger at him.
Preacher said, and God said, and God said, and God said...
Your gonna dance, pointing back at him.
That mans body commenced to dancing like nobody's business and the Spirit slew him on the dirt at the alter.
That drank man came up finally, sober as a judge, walked out the back and scooping up my bible laying on the back chair as he went. He was changed that fast from being the town drunk, riding his bicycle around town, to a preacher of God.
He never drank again.
I praised God, the man needed a Bible and took mine.

God first always.
All praise glory and honor be unto God. Amen

 

[Samson2020]

Some were baptized with the Ghost first, then were dunked, baptized in the water.

He rained his righteousness upon me. I had not been reborn yet. First open eyed vision I had
I stood under a giant tent at revival.
A white rain fell under that tent canopy.
I was soaked to the bone in the Spirit.
I could feel it dripping off my face, my clothes were soaked and clinging to my skin.
In the physical I was bone dry.
I did not know what it was until years later.
God took me in the Word and showed me.
For Holy Ghost filled preachers looked at me like I was insane.
Here on TJ, I was scoffed at and persecuted by those who said they "believe".
Just because self hasn't experienced anything, yet, doesn't mean it not true.

Under that same tent, the town drunk joined us one night.
He stood up called the preacher the devil, pointing his little bony finger at him.
Preacher said, and God said, and God said, and God said...
Your gonna dance, pointing back at him.
That mans body commenced to dancing like nobody's business and the Spirit slew him on the dirt at the alter.
That drank man came up finally, sober as a judge, walked out the back and scooping up my bible laying on the back chair as he went. He was changed that fast from being the town drunk, riding his bicycle around town, to a preacher of God.
He never drank again.
I praised God, the man needed a Bible and took mine.

God first always.
All praise glory and honor be unto God. Amen

Good testimony

 

[Christ4Ever]

Dear Brother,

Jesus has taught me as you say, it is like that on earth. Because we should ideally honor what we agreed to in baptism
every second of time on earth that we have. But that is beyond humans so God will not expect perfection from us.

But He will expect us to stay on the way that He is. If a person turn away from the way that He is, that leads to Father,
then we will not arrived at the destination of the way Jesus has explained t me.

What we agree to in baptism is to kill the old man that was darkness, and choose the new man who is light.

However the whole thing is complicated for us who live in time, by the fact that baptism is a pact made in heaven
where there is no time, where eternity is.

So if we really chose the light with all our mind heart and soul, then we did it forever.

What I gather from your writing here is that God understands that we will stumble and will help us back up. However, if we stray from the path, He has set us on, unless we repent there is no return to that path, He set us upon, and only a self-deceptive walk we have chosen to take instead. So, that Matthew makes sense in "I never knew you", because you have not reached the destination, or as Paul would say "finished the race".

To God, Heaven, time is always "Now", and not as humanity sees it in the past/present/future sense.

Thanks for sharing.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Christ4Ever]

The son of man is not Jesus, the son of man knows there are two
He knows light and darkness.

Dear Brother,
Mis-type?
Otherwise, you are going contrary to the following verses:

Note: I am only presenting a few from the Gospel of Matthew, and none from the other Gospels, though they can be found there as well. I say obvious, because they are spoken by the Lord Himself.

Matthew 9:6 NKJV "But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins"--then He said to the paralytic, "Arise, take up your bed, and go to your house."
Matthew 11:19 NKJV "The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' But wisdom is justified by her children."
Matthew 12:8 NKJV "For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."
Matthew 12:40 "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Matthew 16:13 NKJV When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, "Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?"
Matthew 16: 9 NKJV Now as they came down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, "Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man is risen from the dead."
Matthew 20:28 NKJV "just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many."

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[watertolive]

The Oil in for the lamps as Jesus has told me is purity, we must do our best to repent to the remission of sin.

It is foolish not to do it, because repentance is a blessing, full of rewards, it is keeping dirt that is a curse,
So why not get rid of it as our Lord has shown us a way.

But of course the Holy Spirit is purity, is one with purity.

So what you say is not wrong in that sense.

But when we know the oil is purity, we will know that repentance is the answer,
asking and praying for purity is the answer
To love Him Who is pure is the answer
It will lead us towards the Holy Spirit in eternity

Repentance to remission of sin shall be preached in His name.

If the lamp has been lit, the oil within the lamp(you) is the Holy Ghost, the anointing oil of God.
Your sins have been forgiven you, so you repent for what?
He is in you,; aboding within the temple, He will never leave you nor forsake you.
You are in Him, He has welcomed you into the kingdom, or He would not be in you.
We, together, go unto the Father.

Your repentance was excepted and your sins forgiven and eternal salvation began. Your life is not your own, it belongs to God.

That is not an open ticket, to do what you want, act how you want, run as the world runs to and fro. I do not suggest it.

My sins, your sins are forgiven and blotted out and remembered no more. Don't touch sin, don't taste sin, don't know sin in self anymore.
That's why our sins are always before us; I used to be just like all those people out there, even worse; but not anymore, sin is not in us, not a part of us anymore, for I have been delivered from sin and death by the ever cleansing blood of the Lamb.
Yes, I am, the greatest sinner of all, right here; but not anymore.
The Holy Ghost and sin cannot reside in the same house.

God first always
All praise glory and honor be unto God. Amen

 

[watertolive]

The Oil in for the lamps as Jesus has told me is purity, we must do our best to repent to the remission of sin.

It is foolish not to do it, because repentance is a blessing, full of rewards, it is keeping dirt that is a curse,
So why not get rid of it as our Lord has shown us a way.

But of course the Holy Spirit is purity, is one with purity.

So what you say is not wrong in that sense.

But when we know the oil is purity, we will know that repentance is the answer,
asking and praying for purity is the answer
To love Him Who is pure is the answer
It will lead us towards the Holy Spirit in eternity

Repentance to remission of sin shall be preached in His name.

And we have been made one with God through the cross and the blood of Jesus.
Never ever again will sin and death have dominion over us; because we have been welcomed into eternal life in Him, by Him, for Him.

Sin and death past away with the old man.
Reborn in the Holy Ghost and power, the new man.
A spiritual manifestation took place within us.
We being
Purged
Delivered
Redeemed
Sanctified...being made holy because He lives in our hearts.
Forever and ever, Amen

God first always

 

[watertolive]

Greetings in the Lord
All this discussion is for you to realize you are clean.
Not sinners anymore, for the blood has covered you.
We can still sin, but I do not suggest it.
There is consequences if we touch it.

As one has believed so be it unto you.

So your still a sinner, doing what everyone in this world is doing? but saved....
Yep, even those that call on His name are saved, because He cannot deny himself. They will never touch the fullness of God, nor be sin free. Always and forever stumbling in the dark. I see them everywhere.
Or are you a child of God, blood bought, Holy Ghost taught born again believers. Working in the gifts of God, walking in favor of God...

Example...
Walking in the woods one day having fellowship with the Lord.
It was very hot. I had taken nothing with me, just my Lord.
I said, Lord an ice cold wine cooler would be good about now. Three steps, there it set in front of me at the base of a tree, ice cold.
I sat down right there at the base of that tree and drank it. Praising God for it.

If you asked for an egg, would He give you a scorpion?

He told us in His Word, many more things I have to tell you, but you can't receive them now.

God uses sinners to teach me everyday.
That used to (past tense) be me; but I know something they don't know about and it has been given me to tell them.

How can bright light shine through a sinner?

We are either light or darkness (sinners).
You choose...
What are you?

If you have been baptized with His baptism; not man's, but His baptism, and the Holy Ghost is in you, you are no longer a sinner, but in debt to the cross and blood of Christ.

We know what He expects from us; yet we don't do it....?
but continue to sin....?

God first always.
Lord have mercy on us ALL.

 

[watertolive]

Not hardly. But the Trinity is another subject.

It is Jesus who baptizes with the Holy Ghost so if you have it then He at some point knew you in order for you to have it.

One can receive nothing, except it be given him by Father God.
Father sends us the Holy Ghost just like Jesus told them He would.