If the church is “Raptured” in this generation, what are the people left still, in the “Institutionalized church”, called?

[Samson2020]

There is no other name by which men must be saved. To say it was their heart condition and good works that got them in is salvation by good works not faith.
The works without faith is the leaven which will spoil the whole lump.

Look at post 412 then read Matthew 25 it doesn't apply as it was intended but Br Bill usually doesn't support what he says with scripture anyway. In this
case it's pretty twisted.

 

[Sue D.]

The only reason I'm even on Forum today is to kill time before the closing of my property takes place.

 

[Bill]

It appears to be salvation without knowledge of Jesus

Listen to those words . Knowledge of Jesus .

Knowing who Jesus is wont save you. You have to recieve Jesus . And recieving isnt knowledge . Recieving is a matter of the heart.

We can know all the scripture left , right , up and down . And still never recieve Jesus in our heart

 

[Bill]

There is no salvation without Jesus being the Son of God.

You have to recieve Jesus in your heart . Accept him in your heart . Love God with all your heart

 

[Bill]

There is no other name by which men must be saved. To say it was their heart condition and good works that got them in is salvation by good works not faith.
The works without faith is the leaven which will spoil the whole lump.

Look at post 412 then read Matthew 25 it doesn't apply as it was intended but Br Bill usually doesn't support what he says with scripture anyway. In this
case it's pretty twisted.

I like being twisted . It is all in my nature . Like strands of a rope

 

[Bill]

There is no other name by which men must be saved. To say it was their heart condition and good works that got them in is salvation by good works not faith.
The works without faith is the leaven which will spoil the whole lump.

Look at post 412 then read Matthew 25 it doesn't apply as it was intended but Br Bill usually doesn't support what he says with scripture anyway. In this
case it's pretty twisted.

I usualy dont support what i say because you all are supposed to know scripture . Something i quote often here

 

[Bill]

Very strange, leaven going on in here.

Im sorry we are off coarse . Please dont get upset

 

[Bill]

It appears to be salvation without knowledge of Jesus

As Jesus tells how Judgement will be . He is not saying those who were recieved to heaven did not go through him . Jesus is saying , the love in them , which gave fruit to the actions . When they did this they did it for Jesus .

Its what Jesus says through scripture .

The only real death , is the separation via sin . The separation from Gods love , is the true death

 

[Bill]

I have not seen in Matt 5 or Matt 25 where Jesus states you must know me in your brains . But in both examples those who are praised by God are Virtuous , they are Gentle they are merciful , they are pure of heart . They exhibit the fruits of the Spirit . And how can anyone exhibit the fruits without having God Spirit in them .

And what Is the Holy Spirit . ? The Holy Spirit Is the Father's Love to the Son and the Son's Love to the Father

If you do not believe this . Use your Gift of Discernment and you will know the truth of it.

 

[Samson2020]

We can know all the scripture left , right , up and down . And still never recieve Jesus in our heart

I can agree with that as the Bible speaks to that group as "Ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." Without being chosen by the Father
to receive faith to believe they are just Bible readers. And the Christian world is full of that type of church going person. Plenty of head knowledge but no experiential
knowledge as they have not been born again yet.

 

[Samson2020]

And how can anyone exhibit the fruits without having God Spirit in them .

They couldn't, but in order to obtain that Spirit they would have to know Jesus as he is the only one who has the commission to baptize in the Holy Ghost thus
quickening the new babe in Christ. And pretty much immediately they would stuff themselves with the word in order to understand as the Spirit would consume
them in this mission. It did me.

 

[Bill]

I can agree with that as the Bible speaks to that group as "Ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." Without being chosen by the Father
to receive faith to believe they are just Bible readers. And the Christian world is full of that type of church going person. Plenty of head knowledge but no experiential
knowledge as they have not been born again yet.

God is Love . Plain and simple . , the world was created out of Love , it was though Love that Jesus was sent .

Love is an action in itself . A person without love is without God and without the movements of God within them.

To recieve Love to recieve Jesus is to Love God .

Now a person who does not know God , born under a rock so to speak . And loves deeply, Christ is already present. It can be said Jesus lives in them .

These are the ones Jesus speaks of in Matt 25 . The Virtuous. They have no understanding of Jesus , until Judgement . Yet Jesus lives in them because of Love

 

[Bill]

They couldn't, but in order to obtain that Spirit they would have to know Jesus as he is the only one who has the commission to baptize in the Holy Ghost thus
quickening the new babe in Christ. And pretty much immediately they would stuff themselves with the word in order to understand as the Spirit would consume
them in this mission. It did me.

Elijah didnt know Jesus . Yet the Spirit was in him

 

[Bill]

They couldn't, but in order to obtain that Spirit they would have to know Jesus as he is the only one who has the commission to baptize in the Holy Ghost thus
quickening the new babe in Christ. And pretty much immediately they would stuff themselves with the word in order to understand as the Spirit would consume
them in this mission. It did me.

Peter tells us that the Rock that gave water to the Israelites was Jesus. Yet none of them knew Jesus

 

[Bill]

They couldn't, but in order to obtain that Spirit they would have to know Jesus as he is the only one who has the commission to baptize in the Holy Ghost thus
quickening the new babe in Christ. And pretty much immediately they would stuff themselves with the word in order to understand as the Spirit would consume
them in this mission. It did me.

Knowing who Jesus is , is not a matter of the brain .

Knowledge of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit will not move mountains . It is your Love of God in faith that will do it .

God gives us the authority , but the deeper your love is , anything can be done .

 

[Samson2020]

Elijah didnt know Jesus . Yet the Spirit was in him

Peter tells us that the Rock that gave water to the Israelites was Jesus. Yet none of them knew Jesus

I think you miss the point that in order to be in the kingdom a man must be born again. Jesus' words. He tells us that the greatest man ever born of a woman was
John the Baptist but yet the least in the kingdom was greater than he. The only explanation is simply the people who lived under the old testament could not be born
of the Spirit as the Spirit was not given until after Jesus' resurrection and glorification. If a man or woman does not receive the seed of life within themselves from
Jesus himself then they are not part of him. It is only the Bride of the Bridegroom that receives this seed from her husband. Having an anointing to do a ministry is
not the same thing like Elijah, or John, or Baalams donkey.

Actually it was Paul in 1 Corinthians 10:4 who said the rock was Christ not Jesus. And Jesus was not Jesus Christ until after his baptism in the Spirit at Jordan where he
JC became the 42nd generation , a New creation, as written in Matthew. And since the New covenant had not been established how could they know Jesus as they were
shut up under the law by the will of God.

 

[Bill]

I think you miss the point that in order to be in the kingdom a man must be born again. Jesus' words. He tells us that the greatest man ever born of a woman was
John the Baptist but yet the least in the kingdom was greater than he. The only explanation is simply the people who lived under the old testament could not be born
of the Spirit as the Spirit was not given until after Jesus' resurrection and glorification. If a man or woman does not receive the seed of life within themselves from
Jesus himself then they are not part of him. It is only the Bride of the Bridegroom that receives this seed from her husband. Having an anointing to do a ministry is
not the same thing like Elijah, or John, or Baalams donkey.

Actually it was Paul in 1 Corinthians 10:4 who said the rock was Christ not Jesus. And Jesus was not Jesus Christ until after his baptism in the Spirit at Jordan where he
JC became the 42nd generation , a New creation, as written in Matthew. And since the New covenant had not been established how could they know Jesus as they were
shut up under the law by the will of God.

Give me a break . Im sorry , you guys think im extreem .

Jesus is the Christ , period

John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit in the womb of his mother .

Elizabeth was filled with the Spirit as a consequence .

By what Spirit did the Apostles cast out demons and heal people when Jesus sent them out Two by Two .

You are confusing Having the Holy Spirit , and being Baptized by the Holy Spirit .

Was Enoch Baptized in the Holy Spirit , if not . How could he enter Heaven based on your statement . If Enoch was Baptized in the Holy Spirit ? How did he come to Know Jesus as Jesus wasn't revealed yet?

All Scripture Agrees with Itself

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings Bill,

Give me a break

i am glad to see you on. I thought of you earlier when i read this:

- A Trucker's Last Letter –

Steamboat Mountain was a man killer, and truckers who hauled the Alaska Highway treated it with great respect. Particularly in the winter, the road used to curve and twist over the mountain, and sheer cliffs dropped away sharply from the icy road. Countless trucks and truckers have been lost...

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Bless you Bill ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings Samson2020,

I think you miss the point that in order to be in the kingdom a man must be born again. Jesus' words. He tells us that the greatest man ever born of a woman was
John the Baptist but yet the least in the kingdom was greater than he. The only explanation is simply the people who lived under the old testament could not be born
of the Spirit as the Spirit was not given until after Jesus' resurrection and glorification. If a man or woman does not receive the seed of life within themselves from
Jesus himself then they are not part of him. It is only the Bride of the Bridegroom that receives this seed from her husband. Having an anointing to do a ministry is
not the same thing like Elijah, or John, or Baalams donkey.

Actually it was Paul in 1 Corinthians 10:4 who said the rock was Christ not Jesus. And Jesus was not Jesus Christ until after his baptism in the Spirit at Jordan where he
JC became the 42nd generation , a New creation, as written in Matthew. And since the New covenant had not been established how could they know Jesus as they were
shut up under the law by the will of God.

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known Me, Philip? he that hath seen Me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
John 14:9


Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings Bill,

thank you for sharing this:

And what Is the Holy Spirit . ? The Holy Spirit Is the Father's Love to the Son and the Son's Love to the Father

something to chew on
you can't take His love out and think the song remains the same,

And you hath He quickened,
who were dead in trespasses and sins;
wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

But God, Who is rich in mercy, for His great love wherewith He loved us, even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; ) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: that in the ages to come He might shew the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Ephesians 2:1-10



Bless you ....><>