If the church is “Raptured” in this generation, what are the people left still, in the “Institutionalized church”, called?

[B-A-C]

Matt 7:13; "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
Matt 7:14; "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Matt 7:21; "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matt 7:22; "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Matt 7:23; "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Matt 25:41; "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;
Matt 25:42; for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink;
Matt 25:43; I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.'
Matt 25:44; "Then they themselves also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?'
Matt 25:45; "Then He will answer them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.'
Matt 25:46; "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."


John 5:28; "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
John 5:29; and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

Rev 20:15; And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

John 3:18; "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Matt 7:19; "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

 

[Samson2020]

"I am what I am by the grace of God." Tell me who on this planet can say they are more or less than this?


Keep studying that word and eventually you might be allowed to see the WHOLE TRUTH.

@BAC All that you quote is true, as it is scripture. But I ask,
how do you reconcile Romans 5:18 with all you posted?

Rev 20:15; And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Dueu 4:24 "For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God."
Mal 3:3 " And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD
an offering in righteousness."

 

[B-A-C]

Rom 5:18; is part of a larger passage. It continues on through verses like Rom 6:8; and Rom 6:16;

These are conditional verses that say things like "IF" (we have died with Christ) then the promises apply.
Whenever the word "if" is used. There is a two sided coin. If you do this, or if you do that.

Malachi is similar.

Mal 3:18; So you will again distinguish between the righteous and the wicked, between one who serves God and one who does not serve Him.

 

[Samson2020]

Rom 5:18; is part of a larger passage. It continues on through verses like Rom 6:8; and Rom 6:16;

These are conditional verses that say things like "IF" (we have died with Christ) then the promises apply.
Whenever the word "if" is used. There is a two sided coin. If you do this, or if you do that.

Did you participate in the condemnation part of the verse? If so, then the second part applies as well. And if you will notice there is no end to the sin that is covered
unlike the original sin unto condemnation that passed the condemnation to all humans from father to child since Adam.
"For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it (faith) is the gift of God." Not all men have faith.
Why? Because it hasn't been given to them yet. So since it is by GRACE that a man is saved what did a man have to do with it?

 

[B-A-C]

I am under the curse of sin, simply by the virtue of being born.

I am not under the salvation of grace, until I am "born again".

Besides, I am not a Calvinist, I lean towards Armenianism. Everything depends on what we do.

Even faith alone doesn't save us.

Jas 2:19; You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.
Jas 2:20; But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?

Jas 2:24; You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

For a doctrine to be valid, it has to agree with ALL scripture. Not just a few cherry picked verses.

John 5:28; "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
John 5:29; and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

Heb 10:26; For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

 

[Samson2020]

Heb 10:26; For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

Have to receive all the truth before you can understand that you are sinning.

Jas 2:24; You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

The verse I quoted says saved by grace through faith. Not justified.

You'll have to argue with Romans 5:18 as it is the verse that says ye are justified unto life because of what Jesus did. That doesn't mean that we who have received
grace will not be doing good works. I would call good works a side effect of the justification I received. I realize that all are to receive this so I must make myself a
servant to all as they are all Gods children.

Gotta go somewhere so get back to ya later. Good interaction. May the rest of your day be wonderful.

 

[Bill]

This must be why Jesus was told by the Father to speak to them in parables, because they needed to plainly understand so they could make a choice?
As opposed to it was only those that were CHOSEN to understand that the parables and secrets of the kingdom were revealed.

I would add that your Bible like mine says that God uses the FOOLISHNESS of preaching to save them that believe.
It was the work that Jesus did that saved us all. Romans 5:18
It's just a matter of Gods timing as to when he gives them faith to believe.

The curious thing is that he who can believe without seeing is more blessed than he who must see to believe. And we know that ALL FLESH shall see the
salvation of God.
Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess but yet these who are not chosen in the first death are less blessed than those taken in first death. Must be a simple
matter of how long God wants an individual to be appointed to disobedience.
But yet to whom more is forgiven the same loveth more?

So true your words .

Iwas only posting my conversation with the Lord .

I already know that all who believe on faith alone have the greater faith . I see everything . There is nothing that anyone can do that the Sword of God does not know . Does that sound like pride . Lol . It isnt . I ve told the Lord before , the only reason there is no one else to do this job , no one else is crazy enough . Well there is one other who is crazy enough . Lol

There is so much i wish i could share .

Maybe that was why i was born on April Fools day

 

[Dave M]

John 3:3
Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

 

[Bill]

So you believe that Every person Will eventually accept Jesus Christ as their Savior -- based on the fact that 'every knee shall bow and every tongue confess'. I've interpreted that to mean that eventually Every one -- atheists , agnostics included Will acknowledge God's existing. But that does Not mean they will be saved. Because by Then, it will be too late for them to accept.

Romans 5:18 "Therefore, as through one man's offense judgement came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life."

They will know Jesus at Judgement

 

[Bill]

John 3:3
Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

Knowing Jesus in your heart is different than knowing Jesus with your head.

It is in the heart where true acceptance is .

Jesus teaches us to Love God with all your heart .

Your heart is where your treasure is.

A true Jew , ( a true follower of Jesus ) is one whose heart is circumcised.

 

[Bill]

Where in Romans 5:18 does it say that you had to accept condemnation or justification? If you were born a sinner then you lived under condemnation and therefore
you will be justified unto life because God said so not because you chose either.

Those who have Christ living in thier hearts , even if they have never heard of Jesus . Will be the ones who are saved.

" Lord, when did we see you naked , hungry , sick ." And the King replied " when you fed , clothed , helped the least of these , you did it for me too."

 

[Bill]

I am under the curse of sin, simply by the virtue of being born.

I am not under the salvation of grace, until I am "born again".

Besides, I am not a Calvinist, I lean towards Armenianism. Everything depends on what we do.

Even faith alone doesn't save us.

Jas 2:19; You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.
Jas 2:20; But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?

Jas 2:24; You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

For a doctrine to be valid, it has to agree with ALL scripture. Not just a few cherry picked verses.

John 5:28; "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
John 5:29; and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

Heb 10:26; For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

Faith alone only brings us to Jesus . We have to accept Jesus , Go though Jesus , be washed by Jesus . And all this takes place in the heart . For as scripture states Faith without love is like a gong clanging in the wind .

I tell you , a man without Faith , yet Love lives in him , already is Reborn in Christ . Its because his heart is circumcised.

 

[Bill]

I am under the curse of sin, simply by the virtue of being born.

I am not under the salvation of grace, until I am "born again".

Besides, I am not a Calvinist, I lean towards Armenianism. Everything depends on what we do.

Even faith alone doesn't save us.

Jas 2:19; You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.
Jas 2:20; But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?

Jas 2:24; You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

For a doctrine to be valid, it has to agree with ALL scripture. Not just a few cherry picked verses.

John 5:28; "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
John 5:29; and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

Heb 10:26; For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

It doesnt matter what you are . God sees where your heart is . Titles mean nothing to God . You can claim all day long, i am a Christian , but if Christ doesnt live in your heart, you are just a gong

 

[Brother-Paul]

Greetings

I have followed the last few pages here with interest, I agree with @B-A-C when he said

Rom 5:18; is part of a larger passage. It continues on through verses like Rom 6:8; and Rom 6:16;

These are conditional verses that say things like "IF" (we have died with Christ) then the promises apply.
Whenever the word "if" is used. There is a two sided coin. If you do this, or if you do that.

Malachi is similar.

Mal 3:18; So you will again distinguish between the righteous and the wicked, between one who serves God and one who does not serve Him.

These are my thoughts, correct me if you feel what I say is wrong.

Romans 5:18 (NKJV)
Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.

One man's trespass, Adam.
One man's act of Righteousness, Jesus.

Which basically tells us...
- 'through one trespass ... through one act of righteousness'
- 'through one sin ... through one act of righteousness'
- 'through one man's disobedience ... through one man's obedience'

It is through Christ's lifelong act of obedience to the Father's will, through His righteous act, that Salavtion became avaialble to all.

We are all born sinners, born into sin, we cannot save ourself, the only way to be saved is by the removal of the transgressions, the removal of sin, and that can only come through Jesus who died for our sins, who paid the prie we should pay, He paid in full for us.

Romans 5:18 (NKJV)
Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.

The Free Gift came to all men, but not all will accept the Free Gift, not all will come to Jesus, repent of all their sins, submit to Him, take up their cross and follow Him.

John 3:3, 3:5, 3:7 tells us very clearly

John 3:3-7 (NKJV)
3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
5 Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
7 Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'

He goes on the confirm the Way and the Father's Love...

John 3:16-17 (NKJV)
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

But we must also see the conclusion regarding those who do not accept God's one and only son...

John 3:18-21 (NKJV)
18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."

So I find it quite clear that, although 'the gift of salvation' has been made available to all, not all will accept it. Not all will accept Jesus and what He did and went through, to fulfill the Father's will, and to die for the sins of the whole world.

Coming back to Rom 5:

Romans 5:19 (NKJV)
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous.

Paul here created a balance, a trade off,
- because of Adam's sin MANY will be sinners, they will be born into sin.
- because of Christ's obedience MANY will be made rightous.

MANY not All, there is a trade off, there is a wonderful, an incredible exchange made here.

We all start on one side of the see-saw, in sin, and sin can only be removed by a sacrifice of blood. The Jews were given a method that was only temporary, the promised Messiah, the Christ was to be, was the one true and perfect sacrice, once for all. We have that word 'all' again.

The gift of salvation is available to all, but not all will accept the free gift of God's love through Jesus. Not all will go from sin to salvation, not all will accept the trade off and come from the sin side of the see-saw to the side that is in the light, Christ is the Light.

Blessings

 

[Dave M]

Knowing Jesus in your heart is different than knowing Jesus with your head.

It is in the heart where true acceptance is .

Jesus teaches us to Love God with all your heart .

Your heart is where your treasure is.

A true Jew , ( a true follower of Jesus ) is one whose heart is circumcised.

this is why Jesus said you will know them by there fruits, A follower of Jesus is a changed person, his heart is what is changed, he is differnt then he was, people should see a change in him, his thought process is changed, what he does with his money is changed what he does with his free time is changed, what thinks about all day long is JESUS and how to serve him. Praise Jesus
God

 

[Sue D.]

They will know Jesus at Judgement

But knowing who Jesus is at judgement time will be too late to accept Him as their personal Lord and Savior.

A person needs to place their Faith In the shed blood of Jesus Christ on the cross -- That He was the Son of God. -- as being all that's needed for our salvation.

So - a person Does need to know who Jesus Christ Is in order to accept Him as their personal Savior. I'm thinking another poster commented about that.

 

[Sue D.]

@Dave M. -- yes, absolutely -- by their fruits in their lives they will be known. A change for the Better. That is how we know that the Holy Spirit Has come to indwell us and other people.

 

[Samson2020]

For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous.

Ok for starters look at your verse translation and tell me how many of the many have been made sinners? Is it not ALL? Do you know a single person that was born
lived and died under the condemnation that never sinned? "For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all."

John 3:35 "The Father loveth the Son and hath given ALL things into his hand."
John 6: 37 "ALL that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me and I will in no wise cast out."
John 6:39 "And this is the Fathers will which hath sent me, that of ALL which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day."

Job 23:13 "But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? And what his soul desireth, even that he doeth."

 

[B-A-C]

John 3:35 "The Father loveth the Son and hath given ALL things into his hand."
John 6: 37 "ALL that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me and I will in no wise cast out."
John 6:39 "And this is the Fathers will which hath sent me, that of ALL which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day."

Ahhh... another one of these Calvinist mis-teachings.

Jesus won't cast them out... but does that mean they are guaranteed to go to heaven?
An often (mis)quoted scripture says "I will never leave you or forsake you". This verse itself is a quote
of an old testament verse... "for He has said.." where did He say that? Not in the New Testament anywhere.
Hebrews 13:5; is quoting Deut 31:6;

God didn't leave of forsake any of the Jews in the wilderness. But many of them forsook Him.
He didn't lose any of them, not a single one. He didn't cast any out, not a single one.
He fed them, He clothed them, He protected them, He made sure their clothes didn't wear out.
He was with them every single day.

Yet most of them didn't make it to the promised land. ( Hebrews 3:11-18; ) .. because of disobedience.

We see this again, in the parable of the sower. It is one of the few parables that was actually explained.

Matt 13:36; Then He left the crowds and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him and said, "Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field."
Matt 13:37; And He said, "The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man,
Matt 13:38; and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one;
Matt 13:39; and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels.
Matt 13:40; "So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age.
Matt 13:41; "The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness,
Matt 13:42; and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matt 13:43; "Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

Notice the tares grow right along with the tares, they aren't pulled up or cast out. In fact the gardener tells his men not
pull out the tares. (Mat 13:29; ) Just like Jesus don't cast them out. But at the end of the age, they are still burned up.
(Matt 13:41-42; )

Shall we also talk about the 5 foolish virgins? The unfaithful steward of the talents? The tree that refused to bear fruit
even when watered and fertilized by the master? At least a dozen other parables with a similar message.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Ok for starters look at your verse translation and tell me how many of the many have been made sinners? Is it not ALL? Do you know a single person that was born
lived and died under the condemnation that never sinned? "For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all."

John 3:35 "The Father loveth the Son and hath given ALL things into his hand."
John 6: 37 "ALL that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me and I will in no wise cast out."
John 6:39 "And this is the Fathers will which hath sent me, that of ALL which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day."

Job 23:13 "But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? And what his soul desireth, even that he doeth."

Ermmm

John 3:35 "The Father loveth the Son and hath given ALL things into his hand."

All things, it doesn't say all souls.


John 6: 37 "ALL that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me and I will in no wise cast out."

All souls that the Father giveth me shall come to me, that is all whose name is in the book of life and the lamb.


John 6:39 "And this is the Fathers will which hath sent me, that of ALL which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day."

It is the Father's will, that all which he hath given to me - all the Father has given are the ones whose name is in the book of life and the lamb.

Therefore none of the saved souls will be lost, but will be raised up again on the last day.

There is a big difference I feel in what you are saying and what scripture is actually saying in the verses you provided my friend

Matthew 28:18-20 (NKJV)
18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

Shalom