If you do not have the gifts of the Holy Spirit, then get baptized

[Garee]

I don't anyone said it was. Still Paul was a man that God used. But how many other people in both the old and new Testament do you think prophesied besides Paul?
There is a whole list of people called "Prophets" in the Bible. ( Even a prophetess in the New testament ) Did Peter, James or John ever prophesy? Did anyone who wasn't called an apostle ever prophesy in the New Testament?



I agree there are many who do this. I also agree it isn't what God wants. However, you can't take those two statements and generically declare God doesn't want any to do any miracles. That's a straight out lie.

Miracles are miracle nothing more and nothing less

God is nothing less

He performs them daily he simply is not recording them. He is not served or heal by the human touch The warning not to add or subtract must be obeyed we have the perfect written on our new hearts.

Satan is still free to offer with all lying power his lying signs to wonder or marvel after.

 

[Garee]

The Holy Spirit teaches.. true.

Luke 12:12; for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say."
John 14:26; "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
But a half truth is still a whole lie.
The truth is, God gives some the gift of teaching, and he appoints some as teachers.
1Cor 12:28; And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues.
Eph 4:11; And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,
Heb 5:12; For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you have need again for someone to teach you the elementary principles of the oracles of God, and you have come to need milk and not solid food.

I would agree he give the gift of teaching others how or where to find the prescriptions needed to rightly divide the parable with with out. . Christ spoke not needed to rightly divide using parables . They hide the gospel understanding limited thier understanding to the historical literal the other level of understanding

Because of laws of the fathers oral traditions of men they give the false idea so that men might venerate thier flesh

1 Corinthian 3 the teaching anointing spirit of Christ re established the true meaning of those sent with powerful words coming from unseen Holy Father

We can preach planting and water with the word of God But if God does not empower the dead they cannot be born again . no growth

1 Corinthians3: 7-8 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

As a testimony . One came a kneeled to worship to the flesh of the Son of man calling Him the one good teaching master Jesus giving glory to God his Holy father he refused to stand in the place of the abomination of desolation the temporal dying standing in the place of eternal faith our one good teaching master as Lord

We preach he does all the teaching and bringing to our memory the previous things (the teaching master our comforter John 14)


Mark 10:16-18 King James Version And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them.
And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

 

[Bill]

Lol , you guys are too heady even for me.
All i know is what the Father said to me. When i said to the Lord, "i am nothing, but in You i am everything" (and you would think that proper) but God the Father said to me, "am i a lier? It is not up to you to say you are nothing. I created you, you are my son."
God wants us, involved. Certainly God can do all things, but He chooses to involve us in everything.
If Abraham did not choose to follow the Lord, what then. There was no one else like Abraham.
If Noah did not build the Ark, what then. There was no one else like Noah.
Each of us are called to be who we are, and we can choose to listen or not listen to the Lord.

 

[Garee]

Lol , you guys are too heady even for me.
All i know is what the Father said to me. When i said to the Lord, "i am nothing, but in You i am everything" (and you would think that proper) but God the Father said to me, "am i a lier? It is not up to you to say you are nothing. I created you, you are my son."
God wants us, involved. Certainly God can do all things, but He chooses to involve us in everything.
If Abraham did not choose to follow the Lord, what then. There was no one else like Abraham.
If Noah did not build the Ark, what then. There was no one else like Noah.
Each of us are called to be who we are, and we can choose to listen or not listen to the Lord.

When Moses chose not to and struck the Rock twice his bones did not enter the promised land . He was forgiven

Yes the power of God working in mankind to both reveal his will and empower them to do it to His good pleasure .

Jesus said not I will no power but as you father .the Holy one with power

 

[Garee]

.. and yet, Jesus performed many miracles. It's dangerous to build a doctrine on one passage of scripture.

Matt 11:3; and said to Him, "Are You the Expected One, or shall we look for someone else?"
Matt 11:4; Jesus answered and said to them, "Go and report to John what you hear and see:
Matt 11:5; the BLIND RECEIVE SIGHT and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the POOR HAVE THE GOSPEL PREACHED TO THEM.

Yes in effect Jesus declared the will of his father the one spoken of in the scripture as a question from God are you the expected one .. ?. Signs follow prophecy.

Miracles are miracles nothing more and nothing less God is God nothing less . Daily he bring miracles our daily bread or hidden manna.

 

[samahah]

About 90% of the Bible is literal, about 10% is metaphorical. But even the parables and metaphors never disagree with the physical reality of the metaphors used.

I would agree with that. Too often I see people claim that words like TEMPLE or CHURCH, etc., are always used figuratively but I've found that with a little unbiased research they are used both ways - even in the same scripture.

 

[samahah]

I tend to believe the gifts of the spirit were more for the establishment and foundation of the early church. I've seen some pretty bad things in Pentecostal Churches that have driven me and several of my friends away. My cousin runs an AOG church and he's so bad there are Youtube vids of him being accused of running a cult. It's all about the money and control with him and dozens of people have recently left the church. Gives us all a bad impression to agnostics and unbelievers.

 

[Bill]

I tend to believe the gifts of the spirit were more for the establishment and foundation of the early church. I've seen some pretty bad things in Pentecostal Churches that have driven me and several of my friends away. My cousin runs an AOG church and he's so bad there are Youtube vids of him being accused of running a cult. It's all about the money and control with him and dozens of people have recently left the church. Gives us all a bad impression to agnostics and unbelievers.

That's really sad to hear, but I can tell you that the gifts of the holy spirit are alive and well. The biggest problem that most people have with the gifts of the Spirit is that they're just plainly or not too many people out there that stand up as Spirit-filled leaders. It's always very bolsterers people who say that they have the Gifts of the Spirit but don't exhibit any of the Gifts of the Spirit.

A person who is a leader and has the Gifts of the Holy Spirit, must be both firm, yet humble of heart at the same time.

I've gone up to preachers, who say they are filled with the Holy Spirit and yet exhibit none of that as they are very prideful and very boastful about everything including the way they even dress with the best of clothing that money can buy. They feel they deserve to have all of the luxuries, with a flashy car and everything else. And this is not what an apostle of the Lord is.

Someone who desires to be an apostle of the Lord must wash the feet of his church. He must, always be humble before the Lord, and set others above him. He must be the example he expects from all others.

 

[lentz]

That's really sad to hear, but I can tell you that the gifts of the holy spirit are alive and well. The biggest problem that most people have with the gifts of the Spirit is that they're just plainly or not too many people out there that stand up as Spirit-filled leaders. It's always very bolsterers people who say that they have the Gifts of the Spirit but don't exhibit any of the Gifts of the Spirit.

A person who is a leader and has the Gifts of the Holy Spirit, must be both firm, yet humble of heart at the same time.

I've gone up to preachers, who say they are filled with the Holy Spirit and yet exhibit none of that as they are very prideful and very boastful about everything including the way they even dress with the best of clothing that money can buy. They feel they deserve to have all of the luxuries, with a flashy car and everything else. And this is not what an apostle of the Lord is.

Someone who desires to be an apostle of the Lord must wash the feet of his church. He must, always be humble before the Lord, and set others above him. He must be the example he expects from all others.

So this has come back around again.
The gifts ended with apostles,period.
We have scriptures now,no need for signs and miracles. It’s now doctrine and faith.

 

[Brad Huber]

Seek the gifts of the Spirit, for as a jealous Wife whose husband refuses to be with Her and know Her, She will return to Her Father, where She is appreciated.

 

[samahah]

That's really sad to hear, but I can tell you that the gifts of the holy spirit are alive and well. The biggest problem that most people have with the gifts of the Spirit is that they're just plainly or not too many people out there that stand up as Spirit-filled leaders. It's always very bolsterers people who say that they have the Gifts of the Spirit but don't exhibit any of the Gifts of the Spirit.

A person who is a leader and has the Gifts of the Holy Spirit, must be both firm, yet humble of heart at the same time.

I've gone up to preachers, who say they are filled with the Holy Spirit and yet exhibit none of that as they are very prideful and very boastful about everything including the way they even dress with the best of clothing that money can buy. They feel they deserve to have all of the luxuries, with a flashy car and everything else. And this is not what an apostle of the Lord is.

Someone who desires to be an apostle of the Lord must wash the feet of his church. He must, always be humble before the Lord, and set others above him. He must be the example he expects from all others.

I've seen people who believe they have the gifts of the Spirit and, 'slain in the Spirit' only to fall to a concrete floor and get a concussion. Don't get me wrong - I said the gifts were MORE for the establishment of the first century church and began fizzling out after that. I've seen tongues spoken legitimately ONCE in 50 years.

You tubber Troy Black believes he has 'the gifts and he makes an entire embarrassment of Christianity.

 

[Bill]

I've seen people who believe they have the gifts of the Spirit and, 'slain in the Spirit' only to fall to a concrete floor and get a concussion. Don't get me wrong - I said the gifts were MORE for the establishment of the first century church and began fizzling out after that. I've seen tongues spoken legitimately ONCE in 50 years.

You tubber Troy Black believes he has 'the gifts and he makes an entire embarrassment of Christianity.

My dad had a beautiful gift of healing. There were many people that he prayed for that were healed. And many of the healings doctors could not explain. As an example three girls had multiple sclerosis of the spine and they were really bad with it too the mother came to my dad asked him to pray for them and he did. In each case it was slow but the multiple sclerosis reversed itself and the two younger daughters were completely healed. After seeing the doctors the oldest daughter was interviewed by the media trying to figure out what was causing her to be healed and she said it was her own doing that did it and when she said that the healing of her back stopped. My dad said that she had claimed it as her own work versus giving the glory to God

 

[Bill]

So this has come back around again.
The gifts ended with apostles,period.
We have scriptures now,no need for signs and miracles. It’s now doctrine and faith.

Miracles happen all the time through the gifts of the Spirit. But you have to understand that God is quiet, and those that use them are also quiet. After all it's not about us it's about the glory of God

 

[B-A-C]

Miracles don't happen anymore?

So we should quit praying for anything? If miracles can't happen anymore?
Don't pray for people to get healed, that would be a miracle.
Don't pray for jobs, that would be a miracle.
Don't pray for marriages to be restored, that would be a miracle.
Don't pray for salvation, or for God to change peoples hearts, that would be a miracle.

If God doesn't have the power to do anything, why are we even here?

2Tim 3:5; holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.

Acts 2:17; 'AND IT SHALL BE IN THE LAST DAYS,' God says, 'THAT I WILL POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT ON ALL MANKIND; AND YOUR SONS AND YOUR DAUGHTERS SHALL PROPHESY, AND YOUR YOUNG MEN SHALL SEE VISIONS, AND YOUR OLD MEN SHALL DREAM DREAMS;

In the "last days". What days are after the current days?

 

[lentz]

Miracles happen all the time through the gifts of the Spirit. But you have to understand that God is quiet, and those that use them are also quiet. After all it's not about us it's about the glory of God

Lol. I forget. Catholics started their religion on fake miracles

 

[Sue D.]

Lol. I forget. Catholics started their religion on fake miracles

How Did the RCC get started?×

 

[lentz]

How Did the RCC get started?×

To put it bluntly,lies

 

[Waggles]

Thank God he baptized me in His Spirit and I spoke in tongues as evidence of this.
Thank God for my many miracles, healings and blessings.
Thank God that I can pray in the Holy Spirit as well as with my understanding.
Thank God I am in a Pentecostal church that enjoys and exercises the nine gifts of the Holy Spirit.
Thank God that in my Pentecostal church meetings we operate the three voice gifts of the Holy Spirit decently and in order according to 1Corinthians 14.

 

[samahah]

Well being Catholic I can see I'm in the wrong place.

See you all later.

 

[lentz]

Miracles don't happen anymore?

So we should quit praying for anything? If miracles can't happen anymore?
Don't pray for people to get healed, that would be a miracle.
Don't pray for jobs, that would be a miracle.
Don't pray for marriages to be restored, that would be a miracle.
Don't pray for salvation, or for God to change peoples hearts, that would be a miracle.

If God doesn't have the power to do anything, why are we even here?

2Tim 3:5; holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.

Acts 2:17; 'AND IT SHALL BE IN THE LAST DAYS,' God says, 'THAT I WILL POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT ON ALL MANKIND; AND YOUR SONS AND YOUR DAUGHTERS SHALL PROPHESY, AND YOUR YOUNG MEN SHALL SEE VISIONS, AND YOUR OLD MEN SHALL DREAM DREAMS;

In the "last days". What days are after the current days?

Miracles can happen by God and by asking God. But also remember,you are going to die from something one day.
That’s why we ask if it’s his will, not claiming