Is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit also revelation 22 18-19?

[Br. Bear]

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Greetings again, Chris

you might find this an interesting and encouraging read

God's Mighty Hand and Outstretched Arm

www.spiritofgrace.org

keep in mind, also, the things thus far touched upon and this thread and questions asked, answers given.


Bless you ....><>

I'll add some more a little later, Lord be willing

for example:

Philip Schaff: ANF05. Fathers of the Third Century: Hippolytus, Cyprian, Caius, Novatian, Appendix - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

www.ccel.org

and the Old and the New

Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
2Corinthians 3:3

 

[Br. Bear]

Wonderful truths

Neither shall any man snatch them out of My hand (or) out of My Father's hand.
John 10:28-29

Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of My hands.
Isaiah 49:16

My times are in Thy hand.
Psalm 31:15

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings @Andrew1999

Thanks for the encouragement. The fact I have guilt in my life indicates that it’s not too late for me.

May I ask 'where' you are in your position with Christ?
Can you tell me about the Saviour and how (if indeed it be so) you became a Christian Believer?


Bless you ....><>

​

1 Arise, my soul, arise,
shake off your guilty fears;
the bleeding Sacrifice
in my behalf appears.
Before the throne my Surety stands,
before the throne my Surety stands;
my name is written on his hands,
my name is written on his hands.

2 He ever lives above,
for me to intercede,
his all-redeeming love,
his precious blood to plead.
His blood atoned for ev'ry race,
his blood atoned for ev'ry race,
and sprinkles now the throne of grace,
and sprinkles now the throne of grace.

3 Five bleeding wounds he bears,
received on Calvary;
they pour effectual prayers,
they strongly plead for me.
"Forgive him, O forgive," they cry,
"forgive him, O forgive," they cry,
"nor let that ransomed sinner die,
nor let that ransomed sinner die!"

4 My God is reconciled;
his pard'ning voice I hear.
He owns me for his child,
I can no longer fear.
with confidence I now draw nigh,
with confidence I now draw nigh,
and "Father, Abba, Father!" cry,
and "Father, Abba, Father!" cry.

Charles Wesley

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

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Regarding the proposition of timing...

could it be, given the 'sentence' we have:
But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
Luke 11:20
has something to do with it?

As with the finger 'first' then the Hand and outstretched Arm, we have Jesus pointing out the Finger of God while letting them know that the Kingdom of God is come.
We must remember the 'audience' to whom our Lord was talking. They knew Scripture better than all of us and they would have certainly known the connection that was being made by Jesus saying as He did.

And I have also heard the groaning of the children of Israel, whom the Egyptians keep in bondage; and I have remembered my covenant. Wherefore say unto the children of Israel, I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will rid you out of their bondage, and I will redeem you with a stretched out arm, and with great judgments: and I will take you to me for a people, and I will be to you a God: and ye shall know that I am the LORD your God, which bringeth you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians. And I will bring you in unto the land, concerning the which I did swear to give it to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob; and I will give it you for an heritage: I am the LORD.
Exodus 6:5-8

O give thanks unto the LORD; for He is good: for His mercy endureth for ever.
O give thanks unto the God of gods: for His mercy endureth for ever.
O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for His mercy endureth for ever.
To Him that smote Egypt in their firstborn: for His mercy endureth for ever:
And brought out Israel from among them: for His mercy endureth for ever:
With a strong hand, and with a stretched out arm: for His mercy endureth for ever.
Psalm 136:1-3;10-12
(His merciful lovingkindness - cHesed)

Or has any god tried to take as his own a nation out of another nation—by trials, signs, wonders, and war, by a strong hand and an outstretched arm, and by great terrors—as the LORD your God did for you in Egypt, before your eyes?
Deuteronomy 4:24


With that, there was the understanding of other Scripture that declared more to them regarding the claim Jesus was making. This, in addition to the great works He was doing before them, which in themselves declared the message He was 'preaching'.


In the passage of Jesus healing and the Pharisees saying He did so by Beelzebub,
this was something that the Pharisees repeated, rejecting the One Who the people had been waiting for.
We see another example here in the account of the man born blind who Jesus healed ...

A second time they summoned the man who had been blind. “Give glory to God by telling the truth,” they said. “We know this man is a sinner.”

He replied, “Whether he is a sinner or not, I don’t know. One thing I do know. I was blind but now I see!”
Then they asked him, “What did he do to you? How did he open your eyes?”

He answered, “I have told you already and you did not listen. Why do you want to hear it again? Do you want to become his disciples too?”

Then they hurled insults at him and said, “You are this fellow’s disciple! We are disciples of Moses! We know that God spoke to Moses, but as for this fellow, we don’t even know where he comes from.”

The man answered, “Now that is remarkable! You don’t know where he comes from, yet he opened my eyes. We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly person who does his will. Nobody has ever heard of opening the eyes of a man born blind. If this man were not from God, he could do nothing.”

To this they replied, “You were steeped in sin at birth; how dare you lecture us!” And they threw him out.
John 9:24-34

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We see Moses, delivering God's people, while being opposed by the Pharaoh. God's mighty hand and outstretched arm 'performing' the work. They were delivered from bondage. Set free to be a peculiar people amongst the world. It was 50 days from the Passover to the writing of the Commandments.
We see Jesus, delivering those whom God had mercy upon, while being opposed by religious leaders of the time. This too was the Mighty Hand of God and His outstretched arm. The Jewish leaders knew of the prophecy of God doing so. (in Ezekiel and/or Isaiah, i think) Set free from bondage. Set free to be a peculiar people - believing on the only begotten Son of God. It was 50 days from the crucifixion (also Passover) and the day of Pentecost.

Jesus was preaching the Kingdom of God. He also was to become the propitiation for sin and the law of sin and death (please excuse my lack of quotations here to back this up, but it is so)

We read that God sent His Son. We read that God sent Moses. Both were not only setting the captive free, but ushering in a 'Kingdom of God'.

So, given the thread subject, what was the blasphemy Jesus spoke of? Could it be pertaining to the purpose and plan of God and how He performed deliverance? Speaking evil of the will of God? Rejecting the evidence set forth that could not be denied. The finger of God and the victory over evil.

When we read the accounts in the Gospels that we have, we tend to focus on a 'point' we want to make (sometimes) and forget to read the passage and all the communication. We also tend to forget or not realise that much of what Jesus spoke, the people fully understood from the Scriptures. Then we accidentally 'create' teaching oft repeated, that are based on ignorance of the whole truth set forth before our eyes in the Bibles we read.
We can then use certain key ideas we create to back up doctrine and excuse our flavour of christianese churchianity.... while rejecting the things written.

There is not necessarily a link between the Lord Jesus telling/answering the Pharisee's and the accounts we have of the finger of God and the holy Spirit in the Gospels and the following words spoken, albeit that they were all saying something directly to and at the Pharisees, that they knew they must either accept or reject, and in so doing, choose to have blind eyes to the obvious miracles before all to see.
Pharaoh was the ruler. The Pharisee's lorded it over the people, keeping them in bondage and not lifting a finger to help them.

Going back to:
But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
Luke 11:20
this Jesus spoke after plainly stating about if a kingdom is divided it will fall.
They needed to make a choice of either believing Who Jesus was or rejecting Him as God's Servant Messiah.
In rejecting Jesus, they were rejecting the LORD.

They also were rejecting God writing His law by His Spirit upon their hearts and in their minds


Then He warns them regarding rejecting God.

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May i include here a section from Proverbs chapter 1?


Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets:

She crieth in the chief place of concourse, in the openings of the gates: in the city she uttereth her words, saying,

How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?

Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;

But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:

I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;

When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:

For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:

They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.

Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.

For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.

But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.
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Bless you ....><>

ps.. again, please forgive my jumble and disjointed words.

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With His pierced Hands
And outstretched Arms
He delivered me

With His merciful lovingkindness
I have been set completely free

 

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Greetings again, Chris

you might find this an interesting and encouraging read

God's Mighty Hand and Outstretched Arm

www.spiritofgrace.org

keep in mind, also, the things thus far touched upon and this thread and questions asked, answers given.


Bless you ....><>

I'll add some more a little later, Lord be willing

for example:

Philip Schaff: ANF05. Fathers of the Third Century: Hippolytus, Cyprian, Caius, Novatian, Appendix - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

www.ccel.org

and the Old and the New

Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
2Corinthians 3:3

God's Mighty Hand and Outstretched Arm

www.spiritofgrace.org

Philip Schaff: ANF05. Fathers of the Third Century: Hippolytus, Cyprian, Caius, Novatian, Appendix - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

www.ccel.org

'Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ
ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God;
not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.'
(2Co 3:3)

Hello @Br. Bear,

I found both of the links you gave in the post above interesting. Thank you for them. Thank you also for the reference from 2 Corinthians 3 (above). How wonderful this is, isn't it?

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
our Lord and Head.
May His Name be Praised!
Chris

 

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Greetings,



and a second time, if we read on....

And again He stooped down, and wrote on the ground. verse 8 of John Chapter 8

Not the first time a writing was done twice.

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Thank you very much for your replies, thus far. One of the pleasant things about being a Member here at TalkJesus - being able to openly communicate and share the wonders of the Bible as we look and look again.


I shall continue later (Lord be willing) and go back over your replies, Chris.


Bless you ....><>

Hello @Br. Bear,

We appear to have inadvertently derailed this thread! Sorry @Andrew1999.

This is such a fruitful line of enquiry @Br. Bear, that it deserves a thread of it's own, don't you think? Is there no way that you could divert the relevant posts from reply#23 onwards into a newly formed thread, with the title, 'The Finger of God'? Or some preferred title of your own? Of course, if it is too much to ask, don't concern yourself about it.

See replies:- #23, 24, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 37, 38, 40, 41, 42, 44.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings Chris,

Hello @Br. Bear,

We appear to have inadvertently derailed this thread! Sorry @Andrew1999.

This is such a fruitful line of enquiry @Br. Bear, that it deserves a thread of it's own, don't you think? Is there no way that you could divert the relevant posts from reply#23 onwards into a newly formed thread, with the title, 'The Finger of God'? Or some preferred title of your own? Of course, if it is too much to ask, don't concern yourself about it.

See replies:- #23, 24, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 37, 38, 40, 41, 42, 44.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

I am mindful of the possibility or derailing the thread but also mindful of the need to get a clear(er) understanding of what the 'blasphemy of the Holy Spirit' is and is not.
I do not think that term is even used in the Bible, is it?

Over the years there have been quite a few people posting their concerns about if they had committed the unforgivable sin, and 'the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit'.

I have also seen similar replies from those wanting to help such people.

However, i do agree that the 'topic' of Finger of God is worth it's own thread, so maybe one day, before too long, it might get done.

We can and should also look at the other part of this thread, namely Revelation 22:18-19, and see what, if any, links there be with the proposed 'blasphemy of the Holy Spirit'. This has been covered somewhat though but in order to help, Lord be willing, we should all dig in a little deeper and do what we might be led to do, prayerfully and in love.


Bless you ....><>

 

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Greetings,



Regarding the proposition of timing...

could it be, given the 'sentence' we have:
But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
Luke 11:20
has something to do with it?

As with the finger 'first' then the Hand and outstretched Arm, we have Jesus pointing out the Finger of God while letting them know that the Kingdom of God is come.
We must remember the 'audience' to whom our Lord was talking. They knew Scripture better than all of us and they would have certainly known the connection that was being made by Jesus saying as He did.

* But if I with the finger of God cast out devils,
no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.'
(Luke 11:20)

Hello @Br. Bear,

Thank you for sharing these findings. The following may be helpful too to those who may wish to follow through with us:-

'The finger of God':- Exodus 8:19, Exodus 31:18, Deuteronomy 9:10, Luke 11:20.
'The hand of God':- 1 Samuel 5:11, 2 Chronicles 30:12, Job 2:10, Job 19:21, Job 27:11, Ecclesiastes 2:24. Ecclesiastes 9:1.
'My hand' - Isaiah 50:2, Exodus 33:22, Deuteronomy 32:39, Proverbs1:24, Isaiah 1:25, Isiah 43:12-14, Jeremiah 6:12,
'An outstretched arm':- Deuteronomy 26:8, Jeremiah 27:5.
'His arm':- Isaiah 30:30, Isaiah 40:10-11, Isaiah 59:16, Luke 1:51.

' ... Is My hand shortened at all, that it cannot redeem?
or have I no power to deliver? ... '
(Isaiah 50:2)

'And I give unto them eternal life;
and they shall never perish,
neither shall any man pluck them out of My hand.
My Father, which gave them Me, is greater than all;
and no man is able to pluck them out of My Father's hand.'
(Joh 10:28-29)

'Heaven is my throne, and earth is My footstool:
what house will ye build Me? saith the Lord:
or what is the place of My rest?
Hath not My hand made all these things?
(Act 7:49-50)

And I have also heard the groaning of the children of Israel, whom the Egyptians keep in bondage; and I have remembered my covenant. Wherefore say unto the children of Israel, I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will rid you out of their bondage, and I will redeem you with a stretched out arm, and with great judgments: and I will take you to me for a people, and I will be to you a God: and ye shall know that I am the LORD your God, which bringeth you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians. And I will bring you in unto the land, concerning the which I did swear to give it to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob; and I will give it you for an heritage: I am the LORD.
Exodus 6:5-8

O give thanks unto the LORD; for He is good: for His mercy endureth for ever.
O give thanks unto the God of gods: for His mercy endureth for ever.
O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for His mercy endureth for ever.
To Him that smote Egypt in their firstborn: for His mercy endureth for ever:
And brought out Israel from among them: for His mercy endureth for ever:
With a strong hand, and with a stretched out arm: for His mercy endureth for ever.
Psalm 136:1-3;10-12
(His merciful lovingkindness - cHesed)

Or has any god tried to take as his own a nation out of another nation—by trials, signs, wonders, and war, by a strong hand and an outstretched arm, and by great terrors—as the LORD your God did for you in Egypt, before your eyes?
Deuteronomy 4:24

With that, there was the understanding of other Scripture that declared more to them regarding the claim Jesus was making. This, in addition to the great works He was doing before them, which in themselves declared the message He was 'preaching'.

In the passage of Jesus healing and the Pharisees saying He did so by Beelzebub,
this was something that the Pharisees repeated, rejecting the One Who the people had been waiting for.

* Baalzebub:- 2 Kings 1:2,3,6,16.
* Beelzebub:- Matthew 10:25; 12:24-27; Mark 6:22; Luke 11:15,18-19,

We see another example here in the account of the man born blind who Jesus healed ...

A second time they summoned the man who had been blind. “Give glory to God by telling the truth,” they said. “We know this man is a sinner.”

He replied, “Whether he is a sinner or not, I don’t know. One thing I do know. I was blind but now I see!”
Then they asked him, “What did he do to you? How did he open your eyes?”

He answered, “I have told you already and you did not listen. Why do you want to hear it again? Do you want to become his disciples too?”

Then they hurled insults at him and said, “You are this fellow’s disciple! We are disciples of Moses! We know that God spoke to Moses, but as for this fellow, we don’t even know where he comes from.”

The man answered, “Now that is remarkable! You don’t know where he comes from, yet he opened my eyes. We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly person who does his will. Nobody has ever heard of opening the eyes of a man born blind. If this man were not from God, he could do nothing.”

To this they replied, “You were steeped in sin at birth; how dare you lecture us!” And they threw him out.
John 9:24-34

---------------

We see Moses, delivering God's people, while being opposed by the Pharaoh. God's mighty hand and outstretched arm 'performing' the work. They were delivered from bondage. Set free to be a peculiar people amongst the world. It was 50 days from the Passover to the writing of the Commandments.
We see Jesus, delivering those whom God had mercy upon, while being opposed by religious leaders of the time. This too was the Mighty Hand of God and His outstretched arm. The Jewish leaders knew of the prophecy of God doing so. (in Ezekiel and/or Isaiah, i think) Set free from bondage. Set free to be a peculiar people - believing on the only begotten Son of God. It was 50 days from the crucifixion (also Passover) and the day of Pentecost.
Jesus was preaching the Kingdom of God. He also was to become the propitiation for sin and the law of sin and death (please excuse my lack of quotations here to back this up, but it is so)

We read that God sent His Son. We read that God sent Moses. Both were not only setting the captive free, but ushering in a 'Kingdom of God'.

* My mind goes to:-

'I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren,​

like unto thee, (Moses)​

and will put My words in His mouth; (The Lord Jesus)​

and He shall speak unto them all that I shall command Him.​

And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken​

unto My words which He shall speak in My Name,​

I will require it of Him.'​

(Deuteronomy 18:18-19)​

So, given the thread subject, what was the blasphemy Jesus spoke of? Could it be pertaining to the purpose and plan of God and how He performed deliverance? Speaking evil of the will of God? Rejecting the evidence set forth that could not be denied. The finger of God and the victory over evil.

* The Subject Heading:- 'Is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit also revelation 22 18-19?'

Wherefore I say unto you,
All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:
but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost
shall not be forgiven unto men.'
(Mat 12:31)

When we read the accounts in the Gospels that we have, we tend to focus on a 'point' we want to make (sometimes) and forget to read the passage and all the communication. We also tend to forget or not realise that much of what Jesus spoke, the people fully understood from the Scriptures. Then we accidentally 'create' teaching oft repeated, that are based on ignorance of the whole truth set forth before our eyes in the Bibles we read.
We can then use certain key ideas we create to back up doctrine and excuse our flavour of christianese churchianity.... while rejecting the things written.

* Very true, something we all have to guard against, don't we? In regard to ourselves and the words of others.

There is not necessarily a link between the Lord Jesus telling/answering the Pharisee's and the accounts we have of the finger of God and the holy Spirit in the Gospels and the following words spoken, albeit that they were all saying something directly to and at the Pharisees, that they knew they must either accept or reject, and in so doing, choose to have blind eyes to the obvious miracles before all to see.
Pharaoh was the ruler. The Pharisee's lorded it over the people, keeping them in bondage and not lifting a finger to help them.

Going back to:
But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
Luke 11:20
this Jesus spoke after plainly stating about if a kingdom is divided it will fall.
They needed to make a choice of either believing Who Jesus was or rejecting Him as God's Servant Messiah.
In rejecting Jesus, they were rejecting the LORD.

They also were rejecting God writing His law by His Spirit upon their hearts and in their minds

Then He warns them regarding rejecting God.

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* As I read your words, I hear the words of our Lord, 'the kingdom of God is come upon you', in a different light. The Kingdom of God had (like 'the strong man' in Luke 11:21) come upon them, catching them unawares, and was stealing their goods: i.e., those things they held dear, such as their position in society, their own traditions, and the doctrines they held, which sprang from their own writings and not from the Scriptures. These things God was exposing through the Lord Jesus Christ, by His words and His works.

May i include here a section from Proverbs chapter 1?


Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets:

She crieth in the chief place of concourse, in the openings of the gates: in the city she uttereth her words, saying,

How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?

Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;

But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:

I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;

When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:

For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:

They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.

Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.

For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.

But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.
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* I can see why you have quoted this, and thank you for it, for it does give the answer to the question of the subject heading, doesn't it

With His pierced Hands
And outstretched Arms
He delivered me

With His merciful lovingkindness
I have been set completely free

* Thank you Br. Bear.

Blessed with every blessing that is spiritual.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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Greetings Chris,



I am mindful of the possibility or derailing the thread but also mindful of the need to get a clear(er) understanding of what the 'blasphemy of the Holy Spirit' is and is not.
I do not think that term is even used in the Bible, is it?

Over the years there have been quite a few people posting their concerns about if they had committed the unforgivable sin, and 'the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit'.

I have also seen similar replies from those wanting to help such people.

However, i do agree that the 'topic' of Finger of God is worth it's own thread, so maybe one day, before too long, it might get done.

We can and should also look at the other part of this thread, namely Revelation 22:18-19, and see what, if any, links there be with the proposed 'blasphemy of the Holy Spirit'. This has been covered somewhat though but in order to help, Lord be willing, we should all dig in a little deeper and do what we might be led to do, prayerfully and in love.


Bless you ....><>

Subject heading:- 'Is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit also revelation 22 18-19?'​

' Wherefore I say unto you,
All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:
but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man,
it shall be forgiven him:
but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,
it shall not be forgiven him,
neither in this world,
neither in the world to come.'
(Mat 12:31)

Hello again, @Br. Bear,

Speaking against the Holy Spirit:- The Pharisees had ascribed the work being done by God (the Holy Spirit) through the Lord Jesus Christ, as being done by the operation of the Prince of Demons, a vile demon: in this way they were speaking 'against' the Holy Spirit.

'For I testify unto every man
that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book,
If any man shall add unto these things,
God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy,
God shall take away his part out of the book of life,
and out of the holy city,
and from the things which are written in this book.'
(Rev 22:18-19)

* This warning, while it may refer especially to this book of Revelation particularly, yet by application can be applied to the whole of the Scriptures. All are the words of God: the Holy Spirit is the Author; although written by the hands of men, chosen by God, it is all written at His command. Yet the threat is specifically made in reference to the words of this prophetic word of Revelation and to no other.

* This though warned against, and receiving severe penalty if done, is not blaspheme against the Holy Spirit is it?
* Adding to what is written in the book of Revelation, or taking away from it, is surely not 'speaking against' the Holy Spirit.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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(Mar 3:21) And when His friends (Kinsmen) heard of it, they went out to lay hold on Him: for they said, He is beside Himself.
(Mar 3:22) And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.
(Mar 3:23) And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?
(Mar 3:24) And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
(Mar 3:25) And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
(Mar 3:26) And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.
(Mar 3:27) No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.
(Mar 3:28) Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
(Mar 3:29) But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
(Mar 3:30) Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.
(Mar 3:31) There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him.
(Mar 3:32) And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.
(Mar 3:33) And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
(Mar 3:34) And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
(Mar 3:35) For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Hello again,

Looking at Mark 3:21-35 (above). The Scribes which had come down from Jerusalem said of the Lord Jesus:- 'He hath Beelzebub', in other words they were saying that He was possessed of a devil!! An unclean spirit!! His refutation of that remark comes in verses 28-30:-

'Verily I say unto you,
All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men,
and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness,
but is in danger of eternal damnation:
Because they said, "He hath an unclean spirit."'
(Mar 3:28-30)

* The Spirit of God is Holy.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris



Sorry for having so much to say today.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Thanks for the encouragement. The fact I have guilt in my life indicates that it’s not too late for me.

If you committed it, you wouldn't care, since the Holy Spirit would no longer deal with you.

 

[Andrew1999]

If you committed it, you wouldn't care, since the Holy Spirit would no longer deal with you.

I was watching a sermon the voice of conscience by AW Tozer and he stated that the conscience is “the secret presence of Christ” since I have guilt that means I have “the secret presence of Christ.”

 

[PracticalServant]

Revelation 22 18-19 concerns me. I’ve heard in order to truly commit it someone has to do it in order to deceive others that what message they are saying is truth. It scares me because some say it’s unforgivable.

I’ve committed this sin in my youth on pourpose and deliberately but I was in a moment of anger.
When I was younger I was in my teens or possibly 21, I don’t remember the date OR the verse OR the person I did it to. But I was angry at God. This was before I heard the true gospel or even understood it or even cared about church even though I was raised In it.

I was texting someone a verse and I guess you could say I purposely reworded it and changed the words of it and presented it as if that what’s it said. I say “ purposely “ or “deliberately” or “intentionally” for the sole reason of as I knew that not what the verse said but presented it anyways anyways there’s the sin.. so I guess you could say I knew it was wrong I DID NOT know the severity of it or how harmful it was to others and myself. Never crossed my mind again

Anyways a coupleish years later my brother died at a young age and I started doing some thinking what did I think… “I need to make sure I go to Heaven this is serious…. I searched and searched and do this and do that and religion and all these “better do list” I was a wreck…. Then I heard the gospel of Jesus truly… I had heard it before but this time it hit my heart like a rock… shattered me.. “WOW He went to the cross for me and died for my sins in a literal sense” I confessed I’m a sinner and believed in Him as my only savior not baptism not works only Him… I started doing good and constantly talking about Jesus and the gospel everywhere I went..

About 2 1/2 years after that I read revelation 22:18-19and the voice started… “you done this you’re unforgivable” I completely fell out of faith… I still believed “but I repented and turned to Jesus and I confessed it” I stopped in my tracks even though this son was 4 or 5 years prior… (7 years from now.. current) and it has haunted me over and over and over…. I’ll get closer to God and obey and spread gospel then BOOM the fear hits me again…and I’m stopped in my tracks.

I thought is this the devil? Why was I drawn? Jesus said He will cast away no one who TRULY comes to HIM alone for salvation.. only the spirit can even draw us right? Help me here brother. I KNOW what I did was stupid… it was a careless spur of the moment act out of i guess you could say fleshly madness and stupidity…

 

[PracticalServant]

If you committed it, you wouldn't care, since the Holy Spirit would no longer deal with you.

When I was younger I was in my teens or possibly 21, I don’t remember the date OR the verse OR the person I did it to. But I was angry at God. This was before I heard the true gospel or even understood it or even cared about church even though I was raised In it.

I was texting someone a verse and I guess you could say I purposely reworded it and changed the words of it and presented it as if that what’s it said. I say “ purposely “ or “deliberately” or “intentionally” for the sole reason of as I knew that not what the verse said but presented it anyways anyways there’s the sin.. so I guess you could say I knew it was wrong I DID NOT know the severity of it or how harmful it was to others and myself. Never crossed my mind again

Anyways a coupleish years later my brother died at a young age and I started doing some thinking what did I think… “I need to make sure I go to Heaven this is serious…. I searched and searched and do this and do that and religion and all these “better do list” I was a wreck…. Then I heard the gospel of Jesus truly… I had heard it before but this time it hit my heart like a rock… shattered me.. “WOW He went to the cross for me and died for my sins in a literal sense” I confessed I’m a sinner and believed in Him as my only savior not baptism not works only Him… I started doing good and constantly talking about Jesus and the gospel everywhere I went..

About 2 1/2 years after that I read revelation 22:18-19and the voice started… “you done this you’re unforgivable” I completely fell out of faith… I still believed “but I repented and turned to Jesus and I confessed it” I stopped in my tracks even though this son was 4 or 5 years prior… (7 years from now.. current) and it has haunted me over and over and over…. I’ll get closer to God and obey and spread gospel then BOOM the fear hits me again…and I’m stopped in my tracks.

I thought is this the devil? Why was I drawn? Jesus said He will cast away no one who TRULY comes to HIM alone for salvation.. only the spirit can even draw us right? Help me here brother. I KNOW what I did was stupid… it was a careless spur of the moment act out of i guess you could say fleshly madness and stupidity…

 

[Bob Carabbio]

When I was younger I was in my teens or possibly 21, I don’t remember the date OR the verse OR the person I did it to. But I was angry at God. This was before I heard the true gospel or even understood it or even cared about church even though I was raised In it.

I was texting someone a verse and I guess you could say I purposely reworded it and changed the words of it and presented it as if that what’s it said. I say “ purposely “ or “deliberately” or “intentionally” for the sole reason of as I knew that not what the verse said but presented it anyways anyways there’s the sin.. so I guess you could say I knew it was wrong I DID NOT know the severity of it or how harmful it was to others and myself. Never crossed my mind again

Anyways a coupleish years later my brother died at a young age and I started doing some thinking what did I think… “I need to make sure I go to Heaven this is serious…. I searched and searched and do this and do that and religion and all these “better do list” I was a wreck…. Then I heard the gospel of Jesus truly… I had heard it before but this time it hit my heart like a rock… shattered me.. “WOW He went to the cross for me and died for my sins in a literal sense” I confessed I’m a sinner and believed in Him as my only savior not baptism not works only Him… I started doing good and constantly talking about Jesus and the gospel everywhere I went..

About 2 1/2 years after that I read revelation 22:18-19 and the voice started… “you done this you’re unforgivable” I completely fell out of faith… I still believed “but I repented and turned to Jesus and I confessed it” I stopped in my tracks even though this son was 4 or 5 years prior… (7 years from now.. current) and it has haunted me over and over and over…. I’ll get closer to God and obey and spread gospel then BOOM the fear hits me again…and I’m stopped in my tracks.

I thought is this the devil? Why was I drawn? Jesus said He will cast away no one who TRULY comes to HIM alone for salvation.. only the spirit can even draw us right? Help me here brother. I KNOW what I did was stupid… it was a careless spur of the moment act out of i guess you could say fleshly madness and stupidity…

When I was led to the Lord (back in '63) the fellow who led me through the process also warned me that satan would be along shortly to tell me it was all B.S. and that I never got saved - there was no such thing - etc. and sure enough he showed up and started his prattle, but being forewarned was helpful, and I could (and did) just tell him to stick it where the sun don't shine. You should get into that habit. As long as you have concern, you're still good to go, and no "Unforgivable sin" has been committed.

Simple as that.

 

[PracticalServant]

When I was led to the Lord (back in '63) the fellow who led me through the process also warned me that satan would be along shortly to tell me it was all B.S. and that I never got saved - there was no such thing - etc. and sure enough he showed up and started his prattle, but being forewarned was helpful, and I could (and did) just tell him to stick it where the sun don't shine. You should get into that habit. As long as you have concern, you're still good to go, and no "Unforgivable sin" has been committed.

Simple as that.

But brother it says God shall take away his part out of the book of life and many commentators say it’s unforgivable and once you do it God will remove your part out of the book of life and another key word is “and the things written in this boo k” meaning the promises are taken away too such as “whosoever will may come and take of the water of life freely” as in that no longer applies. Maybe that LS far stretching it but I wouldn’t thing Hods warnings could possibly taken too seriously because they’re grave but also given out of love

 

[Waggles]

thought is this the devil? Why was I drawn? Jesus said He will cast away no one who TRULY comes to HIM alone for salvation.. only the spirit can even draw us right? Help me here brother. I KNOW what I did was stupid… it was a careless spur of the moment act out of i guess you could say fleshly madness and stupidity…

We all do stupid actions. God knows how much we are at the beck and call of the enemy.
I have blasphemed the name of God many times and deliberately offended my Christian upbringing more than once.
But thankfully Jesus came to die for the un-Godly and for sinners. For me and you.
I was witnesses to and eventually came to believe in the full gospel of salvation.
I confessed my faith in Jesus as my Lord and Saviour and underwent water baptism for the forgiveness of my sins.
Later after praying to receive I was baptized in the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues.
Everything I had done before - and I had quite a charge sheet against me - was forgotten and scrubbed out.
Now I walk in the power of God to overcome myself and to develop the fruit of the Spirit in my discipleship.
Although I keep stumbling and failing I am covered by the blood of my Saviour and his mercies are renewed every morning.

 

[Waggles]

God shall take away his part out of the book of life and many commentators say it’s unforgivable and once you do it

Repentance is the key to accessing the love of God.
Foolishness on our part is human and God knows are foibles.
Unless you intend to remain in the continuing blasphemy of attributing the works of God to satan you will not be eternally condemned for a previous act of rebellion.
If you have repented of your error and come to Jesus and his righteousness then your sins will be forgiven.
There are some "Christians" of dubious faiths that publicly and continually attribute the signs and gifts of the Holy Spirit to the devil - this is unforgivable before God.

Mark 3:28 “Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the children of man, and whatever blasphemies they utter,
29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”
30 for they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.” - [that is Jesus was possessed by a demon]

 

[Bob Carabbio]

But brother it says God shall take away his part out of the book of life and many commentators say it’s unforgivable and once you do it God will remove your part out of the book of life and another key word is “and the things written in this boo k” meaning the promises are taken away too such as “whosoever will may come and take of the water of life freely” as in that no longer applies. Maybe that LS far stretching it but I wouldn’t thing Hods warnings could possibly taken too seriously because they’re grave but also given out of love

So if it's important to you, that's proof positive that the Holy Spirit is still speaking to you, which He wouldn't be if you had "Fallen out of grace" (committed the unforgivable sin). "Commentators" are nothing more that people with "opinions".

Opinions are like noses. Everybody's got one. If you lack wisdom, then ASK, and He'll supply it.

 

[PracticalServant]

We all do stupid actions. God knows how much we are at the beck and call of the enemy.
I have blasphemed the name of God many times and deliberately offended my Christian upbringing more than once.
But thankfully Jesus came to die for the un-Godly and for sinners. For me and you.
I was witnesses to and eventually came to believe in the full gospel of salvation.
I confessed my faith in Jesus as my Lord and Saviour and underwent water baptism for the forgiveness of my sins.
Later after praying to receive I was baptized in the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues.
Everything I had done before - and I had quite a charge sheet against me - was forgotten and scrubbed out.
Now I walk in the power of God to overcome myself and to develop the fruit of the Spirit in my discipleship.
Although I keep stumbling and failing I am covered by the blood of my Saviour and his mercies are renewed every morning.

I hope I’m forgiven but it seems that where he says He will take away their part out of the book of life it means they’re kicked out and when it says “thing written in this book” it means the promises are canceled as well