Is Ephesians 5:22-33 "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord." outdated?

[David1954]

Thorough and conclusive exegesis.

Thank you, Senior Pastor.

 

[David1954]

(I do have a small concern that someone reading your exposition might infer that tithing (which was necessary to provide for the tribe of Levi) was ever taught, suggested or condoned for Christians.)

 

[PloughBoy]

3 But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.

4 Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head,

5 but every wife who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven.

6 For if a wife will not cover her head, then she should cut her hair short. But since it is disgraceful for a wife to cut off her hair or shave her head, let her cover her head.

7 For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man.

8 For man was not made from woman, but woman from man.

9 Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.

10 That is why a wife ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.

11 Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man nor man of woman;

12 for as woman was made from man, so man is now born of woman. And all things are from God.

13 Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a wife to pray to God with her head uncovered?

14 Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him,

15 but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering.

16 If anyone is inclined to be contentious, we have no such practice, nor do the churches of God.

David, that is one command woman will not obey, unless their commands are met 1st! With conditions. Most women, take a page out of Jacob’s book. Up coming verses, pay close attention to the word: “THEN” and. “GOD” in context.
20Then Jacob made a vow, saying, “If God will be with me and will watch over me on this journey I am taking and will give me food to eat and clothes to wear 21so that I return safely to my father’s household, then the Lord f will be my God. (Gen.28:20-21).
Notice, Jacob giving “God” conditions, then when God has met his terms then God can be his God. So most wives want you to meet their conditions before they obey God’s command concerning you, until then, we are going to obey “Pastor Need-more”!

 

[Senior Pastor]

David, that is one command woman will not obey, unless their commands are met 1st! With conditions. Most women, take a page out of Jacob’s book.
Notice, Jacob giving “God” conditions, then when God has met his terms then God can be his God. So most wives want you to meet their conditions before they obey God’s command concerning you, until then, we are going to obey “Pastor Need-more”!

“Pastor Need-more”!
Thank you... To continue to build on your foundation brother PloughBoy I submit the following.

We see many "Christians" around the world expressing words of love for God, but inwardly they are empty. Their profession of faith is not genuine or real. Jesus spoke of this when He said, “This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me” (Matthew 15:8).

 

[Sue D.]

I'm going to back up a bit to Senior Pastors comments regarding women and their heads being covered -- ie the Corinthians passage. It says that IF a woman is going to pray in public and prophesy in public -- a church service. -- THEN a head covering. But I've Never been in a church service where a woman Has prayed during the service Or prophesied. It's a Man's place to be praying publically outloud and prophesying,

 

[Sue D.]

David, that is one command woman will not obey, unless their commands are met 1st! With conditions. Most women, take a page out of Jacob’s book. Up coming verses, pay close attention to the word: “THEN” and. “GOD” in context.
20Then Jacob made a vow, saying, “If God will be with me and will watch over me on this journey I am taking and will give me food to eat and clothes to wear 21so that I return safely to my father’s household, then the Lord f will be my God. (Gen.28:20-21).
Notice, Jacob giving “God” conditions, then when God has met his terms then God can be his God. So most wives want you to meet their conditions before they obey God’s command concerning you, until then, we are going to obey “Pastor Need-more”!

Speaking as a woman -- though I'm a widow as of a year ago this past Oct. -- I was a wife for 46 yrs. -- the subject was wives being in subjection to their husbands and the wearing of a head-covering or prayer shawl in church.

The subjection part -- both husband and wife are to be in submission to God. And Then the wife will be submitting to her husband. The husbands are told three times to love their wives as the Lord loves His church. How many husbands do that?
Husbands and wives are Supposed to be able to talk about Everything together. They should be doing That long before they get married. I'd Want my husband -- possibly a future husband, if that would happen -- to be the spiritual leader for me. And we would be agreeing on the church we go to. That would be one of the things we did together as we'd be getting to know each other in a more serious way or even just as friends. And men and women should be friends 1st.

In all the years we were married , we were never in a church where women Did pray in public -- it was always a man leading. And there was never prophesying being done during church service. Maybe that's done in Pentecostal churches.

Apparently there are church groups that pick one passage from the Bible and 'sit on it'. And if everyone in the congregation does Not agree with That, then they are Wrong.

 

[PloughBoy]

Sue, before i comment on your reply, I want to know are you through celebrating your birthday!

 

[Sue D.]

My birthday was yesterday --so -- yes i'm through celebrating it. So -- you're about to throw a pie at me?! I can 'sense' it coming. Hope it's chocolate

 

[PloughBoy]

Sue, 1st, I am sorry for your lost. Next I know every Christian woman is not like you, who loves the scriptures and like to engage in them, in which you would be a blessing to any man who loves the Lord. The scriptures says: “ he who finds a wife finds a good thing”. But I think you would fall into the other Category: “But a prudent wife, is from The Lord” “Happy Belated Birthday”!

 

[PloughBoy]

P.S and I am “Chocolate”

 

[Sue D.]

Thank you. NOW for your response to my comment. Your P.S. You're a person of color? Well -- I'm 'vanilla'. So -- put vanilla ice cream or cool whip on chocolate pie and you've got a very tasty dessert / desert?!

 

[PloughBoy]

LOL, I know you are right!

 

[Sue D.]

Okay -- NOW -- getting back to the response you were going to make to my comment.

 

[PloughBoy]

I did respond to your comment, by the flowers I gave you. Most Christian women are not like you...ff❤ meaning they come a lot short.

 

[Sue D.]

David, that is one command woman will not obey, unless their commands are met 1st! With conditions. Most women, take a page out of Jacob’s book. Up coming verses, pay close attention to the word: “THEN” and. “GOD” in context.
20Then Jacob made a vow, saying, “If God will be with me and will watch over me on this journey I am taking and will give me food to eat and clothes to wear 21so that I return safely to my father’s household, then the Lord f will be my God. (Gen.28:20-21).
Notice, Jacob giving “God” conditions, then when God has met his terms then God can be his God. So most wives want you to meet their conditions before they obey God’s command concerning you, until then, we are going to obey “Pastor Need-more”!

This is what I thought you were refering back to. My comments back.

 

[PloughBoy]

I know, you said “pie in my face” lol!

 

[PloughBoy]

“Pastor Need-more”!
Thank you... To continue to build on your foundation brother PloughBoy I submit the following.

We see many "Christians" around the world expressing words of love for God, but inwardly they are empty. Their profession of faith is not genuine or real. Jesus spoke of this when He said, “This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me” (Matthew 15:8).

That is why they have been “coin” “Nominal Christians” to distinguish them in conversation. They can never obey God’s word, they have not the power nor the ability to do so.
viewpoints.
The evangelical Lausanne Movementdefines a nominal Christian as "a person who has not responded in repentance and faith to Jesus Christ as his personal Saviour and Lord"...[he] "may be a practising or non-practising church member. He may give intellectual assent to basic Christian doctrines and claim to be a Christian. He may be faithful in attending liturgical rites and worship services, and be an active member involved in church affairs."[1]

 

[Sue D.]

My birthday was yesterday --so -- yes i'm through celebrating it. So -- you're about to throw a pie at me?! I can 'sense' it coming. Hope it's chocolate

I was expecting a 'strong' comment coming from you. Like 'throwing' something at me. So I suggested to make it a chocolate pie if you're going to throw something at me. Anything chocolate works.

 

[PloughBoy]

LOL!

 

[Sue D.]

Yes, the 'nominal ' Christian conversation. A Christian is a Christ-one = a Christ follower. By their fruits they will be known. Galations 5:22 - 23.

By what you're describing -- they would not be Christians. They would be non-believers.