Is Ephesians 5:22-33 "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord." outdated?

[PloughBoy]

And do you think that the western way of thinking and doing overrides the biblical?

Really don’t know , these are strange times. Even in the era of Apostle Paul, he said:
26Because of the present crisis, I think that it is good for a man to remain as he is. 27Are you pledged to a woman? Do not seek to be released. Are you free from such a commitment? Do not look for a wife. 28But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this

Take note: “But those who marry will face many troubles in this life and I want to spare you this.” This is true statement that the institutional church will not tell you! A Christian marriage, you will have trouble, you have a enemy and his attack is fierce upon this institution. And the institutional church talks about how to have a happy Christian marriage. Marriage is a battlefield, the enemy forces are those on the outside that are people influenced by the enemy. Family, friends, jobs, the whole world, then everyone’s own selfishness’ the man and the woman, both of them are sinners. Let along the outside world. You have your own lust to fight. And the institutional church is fuelling that frame!

 

[PloughBoy]

Christian men and women are jumping out of the frying pan of marriage into the flames of the Fire, calling it love, its LUST! Now they are stuck, and don’t know what to do! One church say do this another say do that, a friend says do this, pastors , no this is the way, now I read my Bible, I try to do a eisegesis kinda on the the scripture , if I stay here I might go to hell, I toss and turn, I go to church for justification,?no real relief there, they committing fornication , flirtation everywhere, Adultery everywhere I look, Divorce, remarriages, fornication, and everything else lying up in here, even the preacher is wearing a dress and has a voice deeper than my ex- husband and he looks kinda puzzle His own self. How did I get into this state, I put on a show, but I know I am messed-up. Every church I know teaches a different God! I have been with so many men or women I have lost count. If only I had maybe got married earlier, or just stayed with my first husband or wife. And didn’t listen to those so called friends or that pastor who was making me feel pretty or that woman on the job making me feel manly. “Marriage is a battlefield” if a person is not committed to God and fear Him! And do not know there is a Hell waiting! Your marriage will be in trouble! Because attraction love will dissipate! You need “agape”!
This is a evil world and getting more evil with great deception! All the shooting and killing are not great evils. It is the “idols”worshipping ! That is keeping people from Christ! They are worshipping idols gods and do not know it. These churches are not going to tell them! yOU have too!! Warn them!

King James Bible
For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

 

[Sue D.]

You DO realize that God created marriage. He put Adam and Eve together. He'd told Noah and his wife and family after the flood to go ahead and replenish the earth.

You make it sound like 'society' invented marriage and has made a royal mess of it.

God created marriage and gave us His guidelines. We're the one's messing it up. And actually Most of us are being good marriage partners. Maybe You should rethink who You're socializing with.

Are You married?

Marriage Does require committment, yes. And it's good, fulfilling 'work' to make it a Good marriage.

 

[PloughBoy]

Yes, Sue I realize God, is the Creator of everything that exists. And that will ever exists. For HE is the Potter and everything is the clay and He did make the clay as well , along with the water and also the oxygen and the hydrogen and the gravity that contains them.❤ And also the “Beauty of the woman , with her charm ,the looks that she gives to a man with her eyes that turn him into putty in her hands, God gave her that charm, And that special walk He gave her , as if she swayed with the wind, the way her hair would flow with the movement of her head, there was nothing like it in the entire universe, this also was a gift from God, the creator of all things. The way her voice, the smoothness of her words, would flow from her lips would caress the very soul of the being , called Adam. All of these very attributes she has, was a gift that her creator gave to her and a lot more, to embrace her Adam. For she was a gift from God to her Adam., for the glorification of GOD and His Christ! “And the beat goes on”. For those who have ears let them hear and those who have eyes let them see”. Behold the words I speak are Spiritual!!!!! Oh, sin entered the world, by willful disobedience and they became Sinners with a Capital “S” both of Them. Yes God did create “Marriage”. But they are sinners and what do sinners do? They Sin!

But true “Children of GOD” what did the “Psalmist” write: “For the Lord is my shepherd I shall not want, for He MAKETH me to lie down in green pastures, He restores my soul, For thy ROD and thy STAFF comforts me...ff

There is only one good thing on this earth, that good thing is the “person of “Jesus Christ”. “There is none good no not one”. you know not what type a world this is.
The Word of God is true!

Jesus said in me you shall peace, in the world you shall have trials and tribulations. The peace I give you is not like the worlds peace! He also said:
(Matthew 10).

34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. “Agape” Do you believe this?

 

[Godfearingman777]

To all the Christian men out there. Do NOT take your role of headship too far. It never goes well. I know from experience. I've hurt my poor wife mentally and even physically. Because she wouldn't submit to me. Now I don't know if it is outdated or not. My wife thinks so. If that's not the case then why don't Christian's give each other the holy kiss? My wife would argue that point. She said that if you expect wives to submit to husband's than practice the holy kiss. She knows no Christian man would ever kiss another Christian man. So why should wives still be forced to submit. She said it's cherry picking. Again I'm not sure. I'll look into it more.

 

[David1954]

To all the Christian men out there. Do NOT take your role of headship too far. It never goes well. I know from experience. I've hurt my poor wife mentally and even physically. Because she wouldn't submit to me. Now I don't know if it is outdated or not. My wife thinks so. If that's not the case then why don't Christian's give each other the holy kiss? My wife would argue that point. She said that if you expect wives to submit to husband's than practice the holy kiss. She knows no Christian man would ever kiss another Christian man. So why should wives still be forced to submit. She said it's cherry picking. Again I'm not sure. I'll look into it more.

Yeah, you look into it.

Some of us are born again.

 

[Godfearingman777]

Yeah, you look into it.

Some of us are born again.

What do you mean? I get the feeling you are trolling me. Why?

 

[David1954]

What do you mean? I get the feeling you are trolling me. Why?

Lol... I am calling you out for insinuating yourself into matters you can't comprehend.

 

[Godfearingman777]

I don't think it's outdated, today's culture is secular and doesn't follow Christian principals. The husband is the spiritual head of the household.

Then you better make sure you treat her like a queen. Do what's best for her not you. Be willing to take a bullet for her. I've hurt my wife because of this. I'm not sure if it is outdatef. My wife could be right. Women can work and defend themselves with out men. Some wives even defended their husbands and saved their lives. She pointed out the holy kiss. Do you kiss your Christian Brothers? I sure don't. So I dont know if I should make my wife submit to me anymore. I'll maybe ask a Christian therapist.

God bless.

David.

 

[Godfearingman777]

Lol... I am calling you out for insinuating yourself into matters you can't comprehend.

I'm a relative new convert. I haven't even finished the Bible yet. I will though. I need more time is all. Which is difficult if you have to work 10 hours a day.

God bless.

David.

 

[Godfearingman777]

Yeah, you look into it.

Some of us are born again.

Who are you to judge another Christian's relationship with Christ? What do you say? Do you make your wife submit to you? If you do, then do you also kiss your Christian Brothers? Do you wash their feet like Jesus Christ did for his desciples?

 

[Godfearingman777]

For my wives sake. Who decides what we still follow and what we don't follow today? I've never seen two Christian men give each other the holy kiss

Geez would my wife have something to say about this?

God bless.

David.

 

[David1954]

I'm a relative new convert. I haven't even finished the Bible yet. I will though. I need more time is all. Which is difficult if you have to work 10 hours a day.

God bless.

David.

When I was a new convert I busied myself asking questions, not preaching.

 

[Godfearingman777]

When I was a new convert I busied myself asking questions, not preaching.

That is what I will be doing then too. After hurting my wife the way I did, preaching is the last thing I should be doing. Thanks for your advice. I'll talk to my pastor on Sunday. Then the Bible teacher at my men's Bible study next Wednesday. Plus even here. My wife just came home from her mother's house. I need to go now and spend some time with her.

God bless.

David.

 

[David1954]

That is what I will be doing then too. After hurting my wife the way I did, preaching is the last thing I should be doing. Thanks for your advice. I'll talk to my pastor on Sunday. Then the Bible teacher at my men's Bible study next Wednesday. Plus even here. My wife just came home from her mother's house. I need to go now and spend some time with her.

God bless.

David.

Please take the time you would have spent with your pastor and Bible teacher to read the Bible and ask God.

 

[Godfearingman777]

Final words here before I go. Husband's, please do really love your wives. More than yourselves. Wives, please make sure you don't allow yourselves to be walked on and dreams shattered for sake of submission. My wife left college because of me. Her dream of being a pediatrician is shattered because of me. I thought I knew what was best for her. When she tried to continue following her dream I hurt her, physically. Please make sure your submission if you decide to submit never hurts you in anyway. It hurt my poor wife. Speaking from experience.

God bless.

David.

 

[David1954]

Final words here before I go. Husband's, please do really love your wives. More than yourselves. Wives, please make sure you don't allow yourselves to be walked on and dreams shattered for sake of submission. My wife left college because of me. Her dream of being a pediatrician is shattered because of me. I thought I knew what was best for her. When she tried to continue following her dream I hurt her, physically. Please make sure your submission if you decide to submit never hurts you in anyway. It hurt my poor wife. Speaking from experience.

God bless.

David.

All they want is your money.

 

[PloughBoy]

Many don’t realise, you are to summit to God, it is not conditional, a wife is not really summiting to her husband it is summiting to the word of God! If she does not want too, that is her business! Leave her alone, “ why call me Lord, Lord and do nothing I say”! Leave her alone! She has been doing anything that she wants, since she came out Adams rip. She knew from the beginning what GOD told Adam what not to do! Did that stop her, The garden of Eden was not good enough. She went over to that tree, plunked that fruit from it , took a bite first, then she took that fruit, .with her....with her “fine”self and was naked! Look Adam in his eyes, and the way her lips was moving as the juice drip from the side of her mouth, as she engulf that [peach] , then kindly but gently reach over and place that golden “nectar” from that perfect tree, she had him eating out of her hands, not knowing it was for his life, leading him down to the chambers of death. How could he resist , God was so far from his mind, one of the most beautiful creatures that have ever exists. Just the way see looked and the mere aroma of her presence, she enchanted the whole “garden of Eden And she was his’s, Her maker is the “Almighty GOD”! The only creature, that would make a “Man” turn his back on his GOD! She was made to be the very “symmetry” of the home of man’s total existence while here on earth. Not the world , not General Motors, not Dow chemicals, nor goggle or Exxon oil.......GOD had made her for him and no one else, yes this is “marriage” this is “ holy matrimony” to be His partner not “Exxon”! His partner to help him war against the world who is his enemy, God did not put you down here to make a better world, we will be judge on what we have done, what HE has commanded us to do and “The Books” will be open! I did not say a woman should not work! Let the word of God direct you! Read it! If you work for Exxon oil I know you know how to read a bible from front to back and look deeply into a biblical text. Instead of getting some or listening to some “whitewash” from some so called preacher that is no more than a”motivational speaker”. I’m kinda long winded. Shalom

 

[PloughBoy]

I think when Christian men get married I don’t think they are looking for a queen! They are looking for a wife that loves God more than they love themselves. They are looking for a servant of Jesus Christ not a servant of a church, [that is for clarification ] there is a difference. And you got to be very careful how you use scripture, when talking about love. No where in “Holy Scripture” it said treat your wife like a queen, Your example is how Christ love the church. “ how does Christ love the church? Giving his life for the church , he disciplines and correct you, he does not go around giving you all you want most of the time he says no to you! And it is painful. My bible describe that kind of love. You forgive them, you no not abuse them you do not be little them. You help one another to live a “sanctify life” in Christ Jesus our Lord” and not the way of Kings and queens! But servants to one another. That is what I believe the word of God teaches according to my bible, and by the bible words all men will be judge. If you love her, share with her what the word of God teaches no matter what for you are the priest, the pastor, the shepherd, the guide, the head of your family. And not by force, if you lead that does not mean they will follow. If she does not obey God what do you think about you? Love her anyhow. If she is your enemy and do not obey everything you say, love her anyhow, like Jesus did to the ones who punish him and nail him to the tree. Godly love covers a multitude of sins and always remember Eve was not satisfied in the “garden of Eden “ everything was perfect and she still was not satisfied, she was “entice” by something that put the whole in “chaos” was that her intentions, No! She was deceived.
quick note: this is for edification, when queens don’t obey Kings they get rid of them or cut their heads off! Reference: Bible, and Biblical related “Historical fact”! The Bible states fear and obey the king. Not the queen!. God chose “Kings” not queen! And do not chose that “Esther” route. She please the pagan King! Then he heard her request! If she didn’t please him? She would have been put to death!

 

[Godfearingman777]

Queen is a figure of speech. I mean the husband should love, respect, provide, and protect his wife. Even if that means suffering torture and even dying for her! We are the bride of Christ. Christ suffered and died for us. The wife should should always feel safe and adored by her husband. She is more precious than rubies. Too bad it took mesending my wife to the hospital to finally understand that! I should have never ever done that to her. I'm not fit to be an authority. It gets to my head and I become abusive. My wife and I just had a long talk about this tonight. From now on its 50/50 with us. If we both can't agree on something we take turns compromising on each situation. I love my wife. I have no right to stop her sweet nurturing maternal soul from healing children. She wants to be a pediatrition, so I'll have her back and support her all the way. I'll compromise. I'll stop working so much over time. I'll help with the children and the housework for her. Plus that gives me more time to bond with my son's and teach them how to be men of God.