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Is God good?

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Hi there. First post. Sorry if it may be in the wrong place. If it is...not sure if there is a way I can change that around.

Anywho...I'm curious about this question. I'm sure the resounding answer from all 'yall will be yes, absolutely, and then give me a bunch of scriptures that would prove it. That's fine. I don't mean to take away from that...but...

How do you know it to be true? Please, outside of quoting scriptures...how to you know? I don't mean to minimize scripture here...but I could quote anything from any book to support my view on most anything I might want, right? Me quoting something doesn't tell anybody how or why I believe it, or how it's real in my life.

b/t/w - if this helps, I'm not asking because I'm looking to debate. I want to listen. I want to hear. It's become a real question to me that I'm asking myself.

Thanks
 
Well God is so good, that he gave his son to die for YOU on the cross! He loves us so much, that he was willing to sacrifice his son, so that we get a chance to be in paradise with him for eternity. We are mere atoms (not even that) compared to God, yet he still was joyful to let his son take on all the sins of the world just for us! So, yes I think God is very good. :)

Also, welcome to TalkJesus!
 
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Is God good? *smiles* ...If I need to quote scriptures to tell you how good God is, I have`nt been paying very good attention to the details ...

I can`t think of a single solitary speck of my life that isnt filled with the goodness of God, and I assure you i`m not attempting to be glib...I really cant...

To me thats like asking if the sun is good? (for lack of a brighter analogy) :shade: Is the sun good? We could go round and round with a multitude of words, and reasons and evidence...until we are both a little sick and dizzy from trying to comprehend the vast goodness of the sun ....or we can simply turn our faces to the sun, and say yes it is good.

I`ve seen enough darkness in this world to shudder at what it would be like without the light. God IS Light, and when I turned my face to Him, I found Him to be the perfect antidote to the darkness, so yes He is good, certainly good enough for me.
 
Well God is so good, that he gave his son to die for YOU on the cross! He loves us so much, that he was willing to sacrifice his son, so that we get a chance to be in paradise with him for eternity. We are mere atoms (not even that) compared to God, yet he still was joyful to let his son take on all the sins of the world just for us! So, yes I think God is very good. :)

Also, welcome to TalkJesus!



yes, Jacob is right... Always think about this verse:
John 3:16 (New International Version, ©2011)

<sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-26137">16</sup> For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.







That's my fave verse in the bible.
 
Is God Good?ok no scripture. Since I can only speak for me personal,I will.I served 2 tours in Vienam,no one, that I have ever know of, was more evil, has less of a consience,had more hate,was less forgivng,then me.

Now all of us here know about pain and sufferning!So I am no better then any!! But God, and only God himself loved me!! ME!! of all the people he had reason NOT to love!!It WAS ME!! Of all the people who hated him and every single believer that ever was created,it was ME! Who used his name in vain,who stole life from others both physical and mentaly,who enjoyed giving others nothing but pain!

God himself took a no good, low down sinner like me!! And created a NEW creature! He created that which was unseen, and made it seen!! LOVE! If God was no good,if God was more fair and just, rather then more merciful and gracious unto me I would still be dead today!

But God is so GOOD!! HE KILLED THE old me! and created a creature full of love,or mercy,of grace,yes of love for all. It is the least I can do to serve HIM!For when a man dies,and rose again just for me!!When a God comes to save that which was so LOST!! That God, the only God to me is nothing but good!! And worthy of me calling him MY LORD and MY GOD! amen!
 
GOD is more than good, He is AWESOME!

- saved me from eternal damnation by Jesus' blood
- blessed me with good health (31 years old)
- provided me with a wonderful wife, family, and yes my dog :)
- tremendously *always* been there through struggles in life and gave me victory in Jesus over strongholds on my life in the past
- has helped me and my wife endure in our marriage through intense struggles
- has extremely patiently and lovingly worked on my heart to make me like His Son Jesus, through increase of faith and purification of the heart of evil things that GOD hates (sin in general)

GOD has done some miracles in my life as well. Go to my profile and find the link to my testimony if you want more.
 
love reading your responses...thanks

I`ve seen enough darkness in this world to shudder at what it would be like without the light. God IS Light, and when I turned my face to Him, I found Him to be the perfect antidote to the darkness, so yes He is good, certainly good enough for me.

I find this confusing. Or, maybe, theologically dishonest...not sure.

I mean...who made the darkness? Who put the serpent in the Garden after it was created? Who created Satan himself?

I'm not trying to turn this into a free-choice vs. free will debate...but honestly...if God is the antidote to the darkness, but he is also responsible for it's existence, what does that mean?

Is he not playing both sides here?

If you read Gen 1-3...it reads like a setup to me. He put the bad tree dead-center in the middle of Eden, called it the "tree of knowledge" (that's a very compelling and attractive marketing term. I mean...he could of called it the tree of death, right?), placed the craftiest of all creatures right next to man, caused the serpent to talk!?!, and placed it at the forefront of their mind by talking about it to them, specifically.

If you haven't seen Megamind...this may be a spoiler (warning!): but Megamind defeats his arch-enemy, and becomes completely bored...so he goes about creating a new arch-enemy that he can go to war with. I get it...I would be bored too, wouldn't you? So...why not create an arch-enemy for yourself? Enter satan. Then...you're the antidote...and it's viewed as "good" by everyone, right?

And it is good...I mean, given the circumstances! Especially since we all entered into this story that was already in motion...and the things that have taken place prior to our entry are only in God's sovereign control anyways.

So, yes, I get it...but going back to "is God good"...I've somehow got to grapple with that, and I think to not do that is dishonest at some level.

Not saying I'm right on this, necessarily...I'm just saying that it's a question that for me, I need to address before I can honestly answer the question.
 
love reading your responses...thanks



I find this confusing. Or, maybe, theologically dishonest...not sure.

I mean...who made the darkness? Who put the serpent in the Garden after it was created? Who created Satan himself?

I'm not trying to turn this into a free-choice vs. free will debate...but honestly...if God is the antidote to the darkness, but he is also responsible for it's existence, what does that mean?

Is he not playing both sides here?

If you read Gen 1-3...it reads like a setup to me. He put the bad tree dead-center in the middle of Eden, called it the "tree of knowledge" (that's a very compelling and attractive marketing term. I mean...he could of called it the tree of death, right?), placed the craftiest of all creatures right next to man, caused the serpent to talk!?!, and placed it at the forefront of their mind by talking about it to them, specifically.

If you haven't seen Megamind...this may be a spoiler (warning!): but Megamind defeats his arch-enemy, and becomes completely bored...so he goes about creating a new arch-enemy that he can go to war with. I get it...I would be bored too, wouldn't you? So...why not create an arch-enemy for yourself? Enter satan. Then...you're the antidote...and it's viewed as "good" by everyone, right?

And it is good...I mean, given the circumstances! Especially since we all entered into this story that was already in motion...and the things that have taken place prior to our entry are only in God's sovereign control anyways.

So, yes, I get it...but going back to "is God good"...I've somehow got to grapple with that, and I think to not do that is dishonest at some level.

Not saying I'm right on this, necessarily...I'm just saying that it's a question that for me, I need to address before I can honestly answer the question.


When God made man and the earth, he gave us freedom of choice. He gave us freedom of choice so he could have true fellowship and relationship with us. The tree was put in to give Adam and Eve a choice between worldly temptations and God. How could Adam and Eve choose God if he was the only option?How could we truly love God if we had no choice but to love Him? You can't truly love someone that your forced to love.

God also warned them about the tree, so they fully knew what they were getting into when they were indulging into the fruit of the tree. It is like when a parent warns their kid about drugs, sure it may be on the forefront of the kid's mind, but the kid now knows better then to use drugs. Satan was talking through the snake to tempt Adam and Eve, Satan tried to ruin God's pure creation by getting Adam and Eve to eat from the tree. Once Adam and Eve ate from the tree, man became cursed, Satan thought he won but he didn't. God told Adam and Eve that He would redeem man, He was talking about Jesus. Satan thought he bested God, but you can never beat your own creator. Satan doesn't know this and thinks he is better then God.

Now Satan wasn't created just so God could fill his time of boredom. Satan was originally an angel who was created to worship God. Satan eventually got cocky and arrogant; he thought he was better then God and that he should be worshiped instead of God! God wasn't alright with this and casted satan out of Heaven. Satan is so good at deceiving others that he took one-third of the angels (what we know now as demons) down with him. Satan wasn't created as a villain, he just ended up that way because of his selfish desires.


The devil corrupted himself and man, all corrupt things get eternal damnation to hell. Go To get into Heaven you have to be flawless, man is corrupted so we can't get into Heaven. Luckily for us, God has a plan to get us into Heave by using his perfect Son to bridge the gap that we need to get to Heaven!
 
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How do you know it to be true? Please, outside of quoting scriptures...how to you know? I don't mean to minimize scripture here...but I could quote anything from any book to support my view on most anything I might want, right? Me quoting something doesn't tell anybody how or why I believe it, or how it's real in my life.

Alright, fair enough.

Instead of quoting you the passages, please allow me to relay what I get from reading those passages.

These are things that I learn through immersing my thoughts in the study of the Scriptures, *and* more importantly, through submitting to God the Holy Spirit who dwells in me (as He does in every believers) and opens up my mind to understand concepts that I would not grasp otherwise.

1. Is God Good? First we have to think about what standard is that "goodness" measured? by our standard? which ones? each culture in the world have their own standard of what is considered "good." Even if we can agree to use one of those standards, should we measure God by a human standard? I hope that you are with me in saying "No, of course not!" So now we have an intermediary question: What can we use to measure the goodness of God? Which also can be phrased as: How can we know whether God is good or not?

2. So how can we know? The only way a created being like us can know anything about our creator is when the creator sees it fit to reveal Himself to us (on His terms, not ours). Does God reveal Himself to us? In fact, living in this age, we have the complete revelation from God which is recorded in the Scriptures. So now we have a way to know what God is like. By reading the Scriptures, we know that God's Will is for no one to perish but for everyone to come to *repentance* (II Peter 3:9 sums it up perfectly).

3. Why repentance? and how to get to repentance? Repentance is our acceptance of God's grace, and the start of a relationship. It is the basis of what God the Creator created us *for*. The way God provided a way for everyone in the world to come to repentance is by allowing His precious begotten Son to die as an atonement for the sins of all humanity (John 3:16). So let's think about this. Our Creator is one who are willing to sacrifice His Son for His creations because He loved His creations. How should those creations regard this Creator? Good or Evil?

4. Is God consistently good? or is He sometimes evil? This addresses people's question about the origins of darkness, Satan and his demons, and ultimately, evil. The Scripture is very clear in explaining how sin stems from the creations' (thats man and angels) unwillingness to submit to God. God didn't implant evil into Satan, he choose to nurture it. So is the choice that is ours. You can choose to follow evil thoughts and desires that comes from our sin nature (inherited from Adam). And God will not stop you because if He does, we will be robots (automatons without will), and God could, but didn't want a relationship with robots. So the choice between good and evil is entirely ours. God is consistent at all times.

5. Is God good to me? Ultimately, this is the question that we all have to answer. I firmly believe that people who just became a Christian, can only accept by faith that God is good. It won't be until he or she started the journey of studying the Scriptures under the illumination from the Holy Spirit, will he or she start to discover God's goodness *personally*. Our God is not a God of emotional acts and fuzzy feelings, but He is a God of purpose and details. The more you open up yourself to the teachings of the Holy Spirit and the Lordship of Jesus, the clearer it becomes. This is why personal study of the Scriptures must go hand-in-hand with the church, where fellow believers sharpen and bless each other in regards to our understandings of the Scriptures.

FINAL NOTE: A person who is Spiritually gifted as a teacher or pastor who has dedicated his life to study the Scriptures (in Hebrews for Old Testament, and in Greek for New Testament), will benefit you greatly in your study. Find one and be blessed.
 
Satan thought he bested God, but you can never beat your own creator.

Now Satan wasn't created just so God could fill his time of boredom. Satan was originally an angel who was created to worship God.

This is just my point. God is playing both sides of the deal! Think about it:

Satan was originally created as an angel with the purpose of worshiping God, you say...

You can never beat your creator, you claim.

God wasn't "allright" with Satan's actions. God created Satan. Satan can't beat God. God's got the trump card on Satan.

Who'wha//???? ??

Really?

I don't get it. I don't think anyone does, actually...though Christian's feel very compelled to hold very strong convictions in this stuff.

How is it that Satan can't beat God, yet Satan could have caused/created such a fuss that the creation story (GOD'S CREATION STORY) ended up with the mess that we've got here? Is there something true...something

How is it that God didn't (couldn't? wouldn't?) pull the trump card on Satan right then and there, and as the U.S.A. just did with Osama Bin Laden...shoot to kill, and take the moth'e out on the spot. Take no prisoners...

I mean really...vengence is His, sayeth him...right? Why'd he hold back?

You tell me...why not? Why would God, who created Satan (and all the angels), and who cannot be beat, be "bested" for a time by one He created?

He created the darkness, and He's the antidote for it. He's the poison (er...sorry...he created it!) & the cure.


And I'm supposed to believe that He is good?


That's not good! That's a friggin rigg'ed craps table! That's a setup if I've ever seen one.

Unless, of course, I'm missing something to all this...which is why I'm here asking the question...because in the end, I believe I must be missing something here.

Which is why I ask how you guys "know" He is good.
 
Alright, fair enough.

Instead of quoting you the passages, please allow me to relay what I get from reading those passages.

These are things that I learn through immersing my thoughts in the study of the Scriptures, *and* more importantly, through submitting to God the Holy Spirit who dwells in me (as He does in every believers) and opens up my mind to understand concepts that I would not grasp otherwise.

1. Is God Good? First we have to think about what standard is that "goodness" measured? by our standard? which ones? each culture in the world have their own standard of what is considered "good." Even if we can agree to use one of those standards, should we measure God by a human standard? I hope that you are with me in saying "No, of course not!" So now we have an intermediary question: What can we use to measure the goodness of God? Which also can be phrased as: How can we know whether God is good or not?

2. So how can we know? The only way a created being like us can know anything about our creator is when the creator sees it fit to reveal Himself to us (on His terms, not ours). Does God reveal Himself to us? In fact, living in this age, we have the complete revelation from God which is recorded in the Scriptures. So now we have a way to know what God is like. By reading the Scriptures, we know that God's Will is for no one to perish but for everyone to come to *repentance* (II Peter 3:9 sums it up perfectly).

3. Why repentance? and how to get to repentance? Repentance is our acceptance of God's grace, and the start of a relationship. It is the basis of what God the Creator created us *for*. The way God provided a way for everyone in the world to come to repentance is by allowing His precious begotten Son to die as an atonement for the sins of all humanity (John 3:16). So let's think about this. Our Creator is one who are willing to sacrifice His Son for His creations because He loved His creations. How should those creations regard this Creator? Good or Evil?

4. Is God consistently good? or is He sometimes evil? This addresses people's question about the origins of darkness, Satan and his demons, and ultimately, evil. The Scripture is very clear in explaining how sin stems from the creations' (thats man and angels) unwillingness to submit to God. God didn't implant evil into Satan, he choose to nurture it. So is the choice that is ours. You can choose to follow evil thoughts and desires that comes from our sin nature (inherited from Adam). And God will not stop you because if He does, we will be robots (automatons without will), and God could, but didn't want a relationship with robots. So the choice between good and evil is entirely ours. God is consistent at all times.

5. Is God good to me? Ultimately, this is the question that we all have to answer. I firmly believe that people who just became a Christian, can only accept by faith that God is good. It won't be until he or she started the journey of studying the Scriptures under the illumination from the Holy Spirit, will he or she start to discover God's goodness *personally*. Our God is not a God of emotional acts and fuzzy feelings, but He is a God of purpose and details. The more you open up yourself to the teachings of the Holy Spirit and the Lordship of Jesus, the clearer it becomes. This is why personal study of the Scriptures must go hand-in-hand with the church, where fellow believers sharpen and bless each other in regards to our understandings of the Scriptures.

FINAL NOTE: A person who is Spiritually gifted as a teacher or pastor who has dedicated his life to study the Scriptures (in Hebrews for Old Testament, and in Greek for New Testament), will benefit you greatly in your study. Find one and be blessed.

will..you have a very fair point on your #1. Read my last post, and you may see why I have a problem believing he is good...or by what stnadard I might determine "good".

As for your #2: that we have the complete revelation of God through the scriptures is, at best, debateable...but I appreciate you sharing your thought process, and how you've come to know truth.

your #3: yes, repentence. Well...I don't forgive myself well or easily...so, that's obviously going to be a hard one for me to actually do...whether or not I could ever wrap my brain around it. As for having your son die on a cross...well, I suppose that's a mix of both good and evil. I think, actually...that God can hold both of those two things in either hand, side-by-side each other...in the absolute center of the tention, and be at peace in it, and find love I think the cross was a perfect picture of the good and evil...held in the tension. God may own both sides of that equation. I think that's kind of where I'm falling out on this stuff...

your #4: You ever see The Matrix (#2) where the Merovingian is talking to Neo and Morpheus about how everything is cause and effect...but the real question, is the WHY? Remember him saying "you come to me because you were told to by the Oracle. Like a little boy, you followed orders...but you come here with no reason...no "why"...no knowledge of anything. Just cause, and effect." (I paraphrased there...but if you saw it, you'll remember)

Only God knows the WHY of this. We operate through something we call choice, but it might look more like cause and effect, I think. On the one hand, it's true we aren't robots, on the other hand, look at the choices God handed us: you choose Him, you get paradise...you choose Him not...you get death and damnation. Forever. And ever.

I guess I might call that choice...but it might as well be someone putting a gun to your head and saying they'll kill you if you don't give them your wallet. Or, how about your life, actually? Even better. There's gotta be a better word for that, than choice. "Signed under diress", or something close, comes to mind.

But as for God's consistency? No argument there from me.
 
This is just my point. God is playing both sides of the deal! Think about it:

Satan was originally created as an angel with the purpose of worshiping God, you say...

You can never beat your creator, you claim.

God wasn't "allright" with Satan's actions. God created Satan. Satan can't beat God. God's got the trump card on Satan.

Who'wha//???? ??

Really?

I don't get it. I don't think anyone does, actually...though Christian's feel very compelled to hold very strong convictions in this stuff.

How is it that Satan can't beat God, yet Satan could have caused/created such a fuss that the creation story (GOD'S CREATION STORY) ended up with the mess that we've got here? Is there something true...something

How is it that God didn't (couldn't? wouldn't?) pull the trump card on Satan right then and there, and as the U.S.A. just did with Osama Bin Laden...shoot to kill, and take the moth'e out on the spot. Take no prisoners...

I mean really...vengence is His, sayeth him...right? Why'd he hold back?

You tell me...why not? Why would God, who created Satan (and all the angels), and who cannot be beat, be "bested" for a time by one He created?

He created the darkness, and He's the antidote for it. He's the poison (er...sorry...he created it!) & the cure.


And I'm supposed to believe that He is good?


That's not good! That's a friggin rigg'ed craps table! That's a setup if I've ever seen one.

Unless, of course, I'm missing something to all this...which is why I'm here asking the question...because in the end, I believe I must be missing something here.

Which is why I ask how you guys "know" He is good.

God is good because in the end, if we accepted his gift of Jesus Christ, we get to be in a paradise beyond belief for eternity!! That sounds pretty good to me!

Wouldn't it be hell if those who don't want anything to do with God, had to live in eternity with God? Imagine living with someone you completely despise for the rest of your life, that doesn't sound very good if you ask me. Heaven is for those who love God and want to worship Him, how could someone who rejects God want worship Him for eternity? Hell is for the people who don't God at all, it is completely separated from God... that is why it is a terrible place to be.

God didn't create this world imperfect, the world was corrupted by the folly of man. Adam was perfect, yet that man sinned. He didn't create Satan as a villain, Satan was perfect, yet Satan sinned. God is so good that he didn't force us to love him. The opposite of God of is evilness, evilness is sin. People who don't choose God are choosing sin. Even though we are born sinners, if we accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, God forgets all our sin.

God is so good that He gave us the chance to get into Heaven even though we are imperfect. God is so good that He gave us the choice to choose Him or not. God is so good that he didn't force unbelievers (or people who don't want anything to do with God) to have to spend eternity with Him. He is so good because He chooses to love all of us, even the ones who hate Him. He is so good because He loves YOU more then anyone on this earth ever can!

God is full of goodness.
 
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I'm glad you're asking questions, but please keep your tone respectable. You can ask questions all you want, but respectfully. Its not that hard to respect the people of the community.

I'm short on time here but here are quick links/answers to your questions. This is my friend's site, Bible Questions Answered

Why did God allow Satan and the demons to sin?
Why did God put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden?

And just in case you ever asked yourself this question:

What is the meaning of life?
 
love reading your responses...thanks



I find this confusing. Or, maybe, theologically dishonest...not sure.

I mean...who made the darkness? Who put the serpent in the Garden after it was created? Who created Satan himself?

I'm not trying to turn this into a free-choice vs. free will debate...but honestly...if God is the antidote to the darkness, but he is also responsible for it's existence, what does that mean?

Is he not playing both sides here?

If you read Gen 1-3...it reads like a setup to me. He put the bad tree dead-center in the middle of Eden, called it the "tree of knowledge" (that's a very compelling and attractive marketing term. I mean...he could of called it the tree of death, right?), placed the craftiest of all creatures right next to man, caused the serpent to talk!?!, and placed it at the forefront of their mind by talking about it to them, specifically.

If you haven't seen Megamind...this may be a spoiler (warning!): but Megamind defeats his arch-enemy, and becomes completely bored...so he goes about creating a new arch-enemy that he can go to war with. I get it...I would be bored too, wouldn't you? So...why not create an arch-enemy for yourself? Enter satan. Then...you're the antidote...and it's viewed as "good" by everyone, right?

And it is good...I mean, given the circumstances! Especially since we all entered into this story that was already in motion...and the things that have taken place prior to our entry are only in God's sovereign control anyways.

So, yes, I get it...but going back to "is God good"...I've somehow got to grapple with that, and I think to not do that is dishonest at some level.

Not saying I'm right on this, necessarily...I'm just saying that it's a question that for me, I need to address before I can honestly answer the question.

We have no capacity to understand the goodness of God. We cannot even conceive how good He is because it's so far outside our scope of comprehension. The concept we ascribe to be good is so far short of the truth as to be laughable, but our hearts are so wicked and deceptive we will never understand until we have His spirit dwelling within us to reveal the true root of evil that underlies even the best intentions we strive to show to one another. And typically, it's pride that drives our fleshly concept of "goodness."

But, let me share a couple things...

God's glory and power are shown in two ways: By the good that He does, and the justice He delivers to those who persist in wickedness. Certainly, freewill cannot be discounted from any discussion of why there is evil. If we were automatons, there would be no glory. But, since we have freewill, and we're fallen in nature, and He still loves us enough in our fallen state to die for us and redeem us, when we seek Him out, and He lavishes us with the love He has for us, we are saved and He is glorified. Alternately, if we continue in rebellion, despite His attempts to warn us, woo us, and draw us to Him, He is just and metes out whatever righteous judgment that is required for said soul.

The real core of the issue for you, it seems, is you want God to make everything around you perfect, and thereby deliver to you what I would call "free-will lite." Many atheists like to entrench themselves in this reasoning because it justifies the fact that they refuse to willingly submit to a Higher Authority to be truly delivered from evil in our world. They want to think they can handle morality in their own understanding and strength when, in fact, they are helpless and in need of a Savior.

God is not beyond knowing. There is no trickery here. If you want to know if there truly is a God, it's simple: Take a step of faith, even the smallest amount of faith is sufficient, and repent. Repentance is an act of submission which starts in the intellect. We must recognize that His ways are better for us than our ways, and that we willingly submit to be changed by Him.

This will result in the Holy Spirit of God coming into you and convicting you of whatever sin stands in the way of truly opening your heart to Him. When this happens, cry out to Him to take that sin away from you. Listen carefully to His Holy Spirit and weep, mourn, and travail because your immortal soul truly is at stake. Let your heart be soft to the conviction. If you feel the fear of Him come upon you, don't fight it with worldly reasoning. It's your LORD granting you the ability to receive Him, don't let Satan steal your opportunity for eternal salvation. Humble yourself before the LORD and trust Him to deliver you from yourself and this world. Pray to be baptized in the Holy Spirit, if you are sincerely seeking Him He will not forsake you. Then, God will reveal Himself to you and you will know that Christianity is not a tenuous belief system people blindly cling to, but it is the revelation of a Holy God in a personal way to His beloved creation. You will never know God, or understand Him, until you submit to Him.

I pray the LORD will grant you repentance, and that you receive His Spirit so that you may be redeemed and He may be glorified. In Jesus' name I pray.
 
thanks Jacob123. I appreciate your perspective.

Maybe I'm the only one that seems to have a problem, or an issue, with these questions. Or so it seems --- at least in Christian circles. It seems as though it's too repelling, or maybe even heretical, to bring up such things.

Anyways, I can sense your enthusiasm, and excitement, for how you view God and what he's done for you...and I think that's great.

I'm glad you're asking questions, but please keep your tone respectable. You can ask questions all you want, but respectfully. Its not that hard to respect the people of the community.

Thanks for the links Chad. I appreciate it, and I'll give them a look.

As for the "tone" guidance -- should I assume you're saying that because you consider my tone to be off?

I feel I'm being respectful in this...but would like to know if I am not.

That said, I also feel like if I'm being genuine / honest / real, that you should be expected to hear a little passion / frustration / anger / wrestling in my tone too. If that comes across, I hope you can trust me when I say that my frustration / wrestling is based on the subject matter and the questions...and not anyone's person.

I have to believe that Jesus could and would take any questions, anger, sadness, hopelessness, etc., that I might bring before him. I would like to find a place or group that might share that view.
 
I'm not trying to turn this into a free-choice vs. free will debate...but honestly...if God is the antidote to the darkness, but he is also responsible for it's existence, what does that mean?

Darkness was not created; it is the absence of light. Light was created and when light is turned off (or removed or non-existent in a given space) darkness is the result.

Spirit Led Ed (SLE)
 
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thanks Jacob123. I appreciate your perspective.

Maybe I'm the only one that seems to have a problem, or an issue, with these questions. Or so it seems --- at least in Christian circles. It seems as though it's too repelling, or maybe even heretical, to bring up such things.

Anyways, I can sense your enthusiasm, and excitement, for how you view God and what he's done for you...and I think that's great.



Thanks for the links Chad. I appreciate it, and I'll give them a look.

As for the "tone" guidance -- should I assume you're saying that because you consider my tone to be off?

I feel I'm being respectful in this...but would like to know if I am not.

That said, I also feel like if I'm being genuine / honest / real, that you should be expected to hear a little passion / frustration / anger / wrestling in my tone too. If that comes across, I hope you can trust me when I say that my frustration / wrestling is based on the subject matter and the questions...and not anyone's person.

I have to believe that Jesus could and would take any questions, anger, sadness, hopelessness, etc., that I might bring before him. I would like to find a place or group that might share that view.

Bringing these questions up is not heretical at all, many people ponder with these questions. God is big enough to take your questions, He understands.

I''m sorry if I didn't answer any of your questions, I 'm sure you will find some one who can help you with your questions.

God bless you! :)
 
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Darkness was not created; it is the absence of light. Light was created and when light is turned off (or removed or non-existent in a given space) darkness is the result.

Spirit Led Ed (SLE)

Spirit Led Ed -- really?

So who created it then, SLE? Not God? Not the Alpha and Omega?
 
hat said, I also feel like if I'm being genuine / honest / real, that you should be expected to hear a little passion / frustration / anger / wrestling in my tone too. If that comes across, I hope you can trust me when I say that my frustration / wrestling is based on the subject matter and the questions...and not anyone's person. I have to believe that Jesus could and would take any questions, anger, sadness, hopelessness, etc., that I might bring before him. I would like to find a place or group that might share that view.

I'm actually very happy that you're asking your questions and being honest, sincere about your feelings. That's great and we're here to help you, all of us :)

I mentioned the tone thing because I was getting the impression that you might be here to debate against, basically what we believe in.

I'm glad I'm wrong, so enjoy the community and please do keep asking questions. GOD loves you, you'll see that eventually so long as you truly open your mind to what we offer you in response to your questions.
 
s.i.e., God is the light, darkness is everything that is absent of God.
 
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