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Is God One or is He Three?

The attempt to introduce Trinitarian elements into Scripture to support a developing theological doctrine is unnecessary and misguides the true essence of biblical revelation. The consistent witness of Scripture affirms the oneness of God, manifested fully in Jesus Christ. By adhering to the clear teachings of the Bible, we preserve the apostolic faith that recognizes Jesus as the one true God in flesh, upholding the profound and hidden truths that the fullness of the Godhead dwells in Him bodily (One Person). Jesus is forever the One and Only person where the fullness of God will dwell for all eternity. Except for His Omnipresent Spirit in the World and Heaven and Hell.
 
Just because you think you are following the majority does that make you automatically correct. If you choose to go with the majority logic:

Matthew 7:13, "....for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:"

Majority is not always good in all cases.

I'll take the 3/1 odds considering all the info available.
 
Is it possible for a person to claim he is a believer, and knows the Word, but the Word (Jesus Christ) does not know them?
 
100% of all those who believe in the trinity who are on the narrow road that leads to life are much fewer than the 100% who do NOT believe in the trinity who are on wide road that leads to destruction.
 
The attempt to introduce Trinitarian elements into Scripture to support a developing theological doctrine is unnecessary and misguides the true essence of biblical revelation. The consistent witness of Scripture affirms the oneness of God, manifested fully in Jesus Christ. By adhering to the clear teachings of the Bible, we preserve the apostolic faith that recognizes Jesus as the one true God in flesh, upholding the profound and hidden truths that the fullness of the Godhead dwells in Him bodily (One Person). Jesus is forever the One and Only person where the fullness of God will dwell for all eternity. Except for His Omnipresent Spirit in the World and Heaven and Hell.

If you follow the flow of Scripture, it's impossible for your theory to be true.

Of course, the 20-25% can't see that.
 
The doctrine of the Trinity, which posits that God exists as three coequal, coeternal persons—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—has its roots in early Christian attempts to reconcile the deity of Jesus with the monotheism of Judaism. Historically, the term "Trinity" and its formal definitions emerged in the early centuries of Christianity, particularly during the Councils of Nicaea (325 AD) and Constantinople (381 AD). The Nicene Creed established the coequality of the Son with the Father, and later the Holy Spirit, in response to Arianism, which denied Christ's divinity. However, a careful examination of Scripture reveals a consistent emphasis on the oneness of God. Deuteronomy 6:4 proclaims, "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one!" This foundational truth is reinforced throughout the Old Testament. In the New Testament, Jesus affirms this in Mark 12:29, echoing the Shema from Deuteronomy.

Colossians 2:8 warns believers, "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." This verse is crucial in understanding how the doctrine of the Trinity developed. It cautions against being led astray by human philosophies and traditions that are not rooted in Christ's teachings. The development of the Trinity doctrine can be seen as an attempt to explain the complex nature of God's self-revelation in a way that aligned with Greco-Roman philosophical categories, rather than purely biblical descriptions. The influence of Greek philosophy, particularly the works of Plato and the concept of divine simplicity, shaped early Christian thought, leading to the formulation of the Trinity.

A hidden truth within Colossians 2:9 further clarifies God's nature: "For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily." This passage reveals that the entirety of God's nature and essence is embodied in Jesus Christ, not divided among separate persons. Jesus is the manifestation of the one true God in the flesh, fulfilling His redemptive plan without the need for a triune explanation. The title "Son of God" refers to the humanity of Jesus, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary (Luke 1:35). The Holy Spirit is depicted not as a separate person but as God's Spirit at work within believers (Acts 2:4, Romans 8:9).

Passages like John 10:30, where Jesus says, "I and the Father are one," emphasize the unity of God rather than a plurality of persons. Isaiah 44:6 declares, "I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god." Isaiah 43:11, "I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour." This unchanging declaration of God's singular nature calls us to a pure monotheism, recognizing that Jesus Christ is the manifestation of the one true God in the flesh (1 Timothy 3:16). By adhering to the clear teachings of Scripture and rejecting later philosophical influences, we preserve the profound truth of God's oneness, consistently revealed from Genesis to Revelation.
 
If God the Father is "eternal" then his only begotten Son of God has to be "eternal" also.

If God's Son is NOT "eternal" then God the Father has not always been an eternal Father.

You can not be a Father without having a Son. You can NOT be a Son without having a Father.

As long as God the Father has existed so has God the Son existed from eternity past.

Only begotten, first begotten has no time element associated with it. Jesus Christ has always been the first and only begotten Son of God from eternity past to eternity future. This puts Jesus in a unique place as the preeminent Son of God as he always was from eternity.



Son of God.
 
lol - you don't believe in the Trinity and yet will tell one who does what it is about and that they don't? lol

Thank-you for the laugh. However, please don't speak for me.
Nick, don't be absurd. Please.
YOU stated that there was a Hierarchy in the Godhead. I didn't. Don't make me waste my time to go back and quote you.

And even though I don't believe in the Trinity, it doesn't mean that I don't know what elements compose the doctrine. I can read, ya know.

THREE PERSONS - CO-ETERNAL - CO-EQUAL

Anything else BY DEFINITION is not the Trinity, but something else. Go ask a theologian you trust (an actual well educated theologian).

I was merely pointing out that you can't believe in the Trinity, because what YOU posted contradicts that doctrine. Pick up any rudimentary text book on the Trinity, whether written by a Trinitarian or not, and they will tell you there is no element of Hierarchy in the doctrine.

C'mon,

Rhema
 
If God the Father is "eternal" then his only begotten Son of God has to be "eternal" also.
The term "begotten" implies a point of origin or an act of coming into existence, which contradicts the concept of eternality. The eternality of God pertains to His uncreated and self-existent nature. Jesus, referred to as the "Son of God," denotes His incarnation—His role in God's redemptive plan as a human born in Bethlehem. The distinction between God's eternal nature and Jesus's human existence is key. The distinction between God's eternal nature and Jesus's human existence becomes evident. The eternality of God pertains to His divine nature—His unchanging, infinite existence. In contrast, Jesus's sonship and begotten status pertain to His incarnation, where the eternal Word took on human nature at a specific point in history. This does not imply that Jesus (the Son) existed eternally as a separate entity from the Father, but rather that the one God manifested Himself in human form for the purpose of redemption.
If God's Son is NOT "eternal" then God the Father has not always been an eternal Father.
The Father-Son relationship is understood in the context of the incarnation. God has always been eternally self-existent and does not need a Son to define His fatherhood. The term "Father" is relational and reflects God's role in creation and redemption, particularly through the incarnation of Jesus. This fatherhood is fully revealed in the New Testament when the Word becomes flesh (John 1:14). Additionally, the term "Father" emphasizes God's love, care, and authority over creation, illustrating a relational aspect that does not require an eternal counterpart but is fulfilled in His plan of salvation through Christ. Therefore, God's fatherhood is not contingent on the existence of the Son from eternity but is manifested in time through Jesus Christ.
You can not be a Father without having a Son. You can NOT be a Son without having a Father.
While this is true in human terms, it does not necessarily apply to the divine nature of God. The "Father" and "Son" terminology in Scripture serves to communicate God's plan of redemption through Jesus Christ. It is a relational term rather than an indication of an eternal, dependent relationship within the Godhead. In John 14:9, Jesus says, "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father," emphasizing that His role as the Son is to reveal the Father to humanity. The relational terms help us understand God's actions and attributes within the framework of His redemptive work, rather than suggesting a literal, eternal family structure. Moreover, in Isaiah 9:6, Jesus is called "Everlasting Father," which underscores the complexity of these titles and their symbolic significance in revealing different aspects of God's nature and His relationship with humanity.
As long as God the Father has existed so has God the Son existed from eternity past.

This statement implies co-eternality, which conflicts with the concept of "begotten." Scripture emphasizes Jesus's role as the manifestation of God in the flesh (John 1:14). Colossians 2:9 explains that in Jesus dwells "all the fullness of the Godhead bodily," indicating that Jesus is the embodiment of the eternal God in time and space, not a separate, co-eternal person. Furthermore, John 1:1-3 identifies Jesus as the Word, who was with God and was God, emphasizing His divine nature and role in creation. However, it is in verse 14 that the Word becomes flesh, marking the point of Jesus's incarnation. Hebrews 1:3 describes Jesus as the "radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of His being," affirming His divine identity while highlighting the unique manifestation in human form. Thus, the concept of "begotten" pertains to Jesus's incarnation, revealing God's plan of salvation through His tangible presence among humanity.
Only begotten, first begotten has no time element associated with it.
The terms "only begotten" and "first begotten" do indeed imply a point of origin. "Begotten" means to bring forth or to produce. The biblical context, especially in John 1:14, refers to the incarnation, where the Word (God) became flesh. Therefore, "begotten" signifies Jesus's unique role as God's manifestation in human form. This specific term highlights the miraculous and singular nature of Jesus's birth, being conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary. It underscores the profound truth that while Jesus's divinity is eternal, His humanity had a definite beginning in time. Hence, "begotten" encapsulates the mystery of the incarnation, where the eternal God entered human history as Jesus Christ, fully divine and fully human.
Jesus Christ has always been the first and only begotten Son of God from eternity past to eternity future.
This statement misinterprets the meaning of "begotten." Jesus is the "only begotten Son" in the sense that He uniquely reveals God to humanity through His incarnation, life, death, and resurrection. The concept of "eternity past" contradicts the idea of "begotten," which indicates a beginning. The term "begotten" in biblical language signifies a specific act of generation, not an eternal state. Hebrews 1:5 says, "You are my Son; today I have begotten you," pointing to a particular moment in time. Therefore, the eternal nature of Jesus refers to His divinity as the Word (John 1:1), while His begotten status pertains to His incarnation as the Son of God.
This puts Jesus in a unique place as the preeminent Son of God as he always was from eternity.
Jesus is indeed unique and preeminent, as Colossians 1:18 states, "He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent." This preeminence is based on His redemptive work and resurrection, not on an eternal sonship. Jesus's uniqueness lies in His role as God incarnate, reconciling humanity to God. As the "firstborn from the dead," He inaugurated the new creation through His victory over death, emphasizing His supremacy in all things. His preeminence is further demonstrated by His authority to forgive sins, perform miracles, and offer eternal life, highlighting His divine nature and mission. Thus, Jesus's status as the "Son of God" is fundamentally tied to His incarnation and His role in God's salvific plan for humanity.
 
You sound like a little kid who says “Same to you but more of it”
(Sigh...)

Curtis, if you can't stand hearing your own words, why should another even listen?

But thank you for the emotional knee-jerk insult.

Rhema
 
The "eternal Son" would be given by the method of a "child that was born."
Changing the words is pretty risky, dude.

A preacher who does not believe in the "trinity" is like a preacher who does not believe in God.
Truly, this is not meant as an insult, but there sure are a lot of platitudes up in that brain of yours.

You're going to sit there and claim that Moses believed in the "trinity" ??
:joy::joy::joy:

I just have no words for that.

Rhema
 
Does the Bible teach the Trinity?

“Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.” What do the plural verb (“let us”) and the plural pronoun (“our”) mean?
The definitive verse is this -

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.​
(Exodus 3:14 KJV)​

It doesn't say "We are" Curtis. It just doesn't. The verb is singular.

Rhema
 
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