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Is God One or is He Three?

The Scripture goes to no effort whatsoever to explain what we call the Trinity, it's just a reference word, nothing else.

That's because the mortal mind has no capacity to understand it. It's a different realm of understanding, and so are many other things found in Scripture.

I'm not in a full disagreement with you on this whole "not being able to understand God problem" -but with sufficient time with God, we should be able to understand it.

Personally i think the reason we can't understand this trinity stuff is because we, ourself, are not a trinity, as so many try to project onto themselves.

We are 2.. we have a flesh body that is subject to the elements, the diseases of the mind, etc.
and we have our spirit. that's it. together, they make up the mystical jewish concept of the soul.

Prior to being born again, your spirit has no power or authority to leave your body, to fight off the demons harassing it, putting thoughts into it. after Jesus.. you do, but its a long learning curve to do it. -my point is, non Christians absolutely do have experiences being ripped out of their physical body, and tormented by demons. when they are outside their body, they don't feel any different than they do in the body. nothing is missing. they still feel like a person. One such NDE testimony, was that they looked back on their body.. as just a bag of flesh filled with memories (and the way they spoke of it, it had no value to them.)

there is no third "person" in ourselves. (and if there is.. maybe you should kick it out)

now, compounding the difficulties of accepting this.. is all the jewish passages that talk about a person's heart and spirit and soul, in the bible.
I will attempt to shed some light on this:

all of those passages are talking about the different elements that make up a person. a person who is given to anger, in those days would be said to have been possessed or given to a spirit of anger. when Ezekiel and Jeremiah talk about "God putting a new spirit in a person, one who calls out abba father"
it does not mean God takes away some spiritual component of a person's spirit, destroys it.. and replaces it with a new one. it means God changes your mind/sprit to where you want to have a relationship with God.

What it means is God changes the person's heart.. mind.. whatever, cleans up their spiritual person, puts new garments on it (as described elsewhere) removes corruption.. and yes... you could say the person is made new and the old was thrown away. but it was the corruption that God did not create, that was removed. no part of the person was taken away, destroyed, and replaced with another.

The heart.. the emotional seat of a person.. we all know we have one. it gets hurt. God doesn't delete it and start over when you're born again. -you still get to process all the hurt, its just easier when you can look to Christ instead of your pain/fear.

Way i see it, all the heart mind soul spirit distinctions.. are somewhat useless. the words mean different things to different people.

Our neurological system in the body is made up of at least 4 different parts. a normal healthy person isn't even aware of this, because they are all in good communication with each other. What one person calls their heart, may be their second neurological mass which gives them gut feelings about people/situations, and processes long term emotional responses that affect your stress levels which influence your appetite. If a person can't eat for a week after hearing some very bad news.. their mind doesn't care! its their heart that is sick.. or is it really?

do you ever feel yourself starting to maybe get sick, so you take the day or year off to rest so you don't get sick? that's your immune system it's not your soul getting tired of life and it needs a break... but some will say things like this.

In my opinion the spirit of a person can handle anything and cannot be hurt spiritually except by other spirits. --but i'm not so sure.

I know that my spirit can recognise problems wrong with other people's spirits.. I don't understand yet how its possible (and its a supernatural knowledge), and when I do figure out what their problem is.. it is usually deep seated emotional wounds.

So in the case of my ex-gf from 2017, when she walked into the room before we first met, I heard her spirit cry out to me for help. -but i didn't know who it was that i heard, i assumed i had heard my other friend, and i thought to myself "not again he's going to get too drunk and cry about his dead mother" later as i got to know the woman, i recognized it was her voice i heard. -later on i found out my friends had been trying to get the two of us to meet, so she already had knowledge of who i am, but she did not know what i looked like. and from how the next 6 weeks went, she did have desire for me before we first met. so you could say her spirit recognized mine, and spoke to me.

recently i had a second confirmation of this kind of thing, and possibly a third.

but i have no evidence there is a third "person" inside of people.
there is only their spirit, which is ONE PERSON.. and the body, which can't do anything on its own apart from the spirit.

but the spirit can be apart from the body.. its just that we who are stuck in our body, cannot naturally perceive the spiritual realm around us.
 
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I'm not in a full disagreement with you on this whole "not being able to understand God problem" -but with sufficient time with God, we should be able to understand it.

Personally i think the reason we can't understand this trinity stuff is because we, ourself, are not a trinity, as so many try to project onto themselves.

We are 2.. we have a flesh body that is subject to the elements, the diseases of the mind, etc.
and we have our spirit. that's it. together, they make up the mystical jewish concept of the soul.

Prior to being born again, your spirit has no power or authority to leave your body, to fight off the demons harassing it, putting thoughts into it. after Jesus.. you do, but its a long learning curve to do it. -my point is, non Christians absolutely do have experiences being ripped out of their physical body, and tormented by demons. when they are outside their body, they don't feel any different than they do in the body. nothing is missing. they still feel like a person. One such NDE testimony, was that they looked back on their body.. as just a bag of flesh filled with memories (and the way they spoke of it, it had no value to them.)

there is no third "person" in ourselves. (and if there is.. maybe you should kick it out)

now, compounding the difficulties of accepting this.. is all the jewish passages that talk about a person's heart and spirit and soul, in the bible.
I will attempt to shed some light on this:

all of those passages are talking about the different elements that make up a person. a person who is given to anger, in those days would be said to have been possessed or given to a spirit of anger. when Ezekiel and Jeremiah talk about "God putting a new spirit in a person, one who calls out abba father"
it does not mean God takes away some spiritual component of a person's spirit, destroys it.. and replaces it with a new one. it means God changes your mind/sprit to where you want to have a relationship with God.

What it means is God changes the person's heart.. mind.. whatever, cleans up their spiritual person, puts new garments on it (as described elsewhere) removes corruption.. and yes... you could say the person is made new and the old was thrown away. but it was the corruption that God did not create, that was removed. no part of the person was taken away, destroyed, and replaced with another.

The heart.. the emotional seat of a person.. we all know we have one. it gets hurt. God doesn't delete it and start over when you're born again. -you still get to process all the hurt, its just easier when you can look to Christ instead of your pain/fear.

Way i see it, all the heart mind soul spirit distinctions.. are somewhat useless. the words mean different things to different people.

Our neurological system in the body is made up of at least 4 different parts. a normal healthy person isn't even aware of this, because they are all in good communication with each other. What one person calls their heart, may be their second neurological mass which gives them gut feelings about people/situations, and processes long term emotional responses that affect your stress levels which influence your appetite. If a person can't eat for a week after hearing some very bad news.. their mind doesn't care! its their heart that is sick.. or is it really?

do you ever feel yourself starting to maybe get sick, so you take the day or year off to rest so you don't get sick? that's your immune system it's not your soul getting tired of life and it needs a break... but some will say things like this.

In my opinion the spirit of a person can handle anything and cannot be hurt spiritually except by other spirits. --but i'm not so sure.

I know that my spirit can recognise problems wrong with other people's spirits.. I don't understand yet how its possible (and its a supernatural knowledge), and when I do figure out what their problem is.. it is usually deep seated emotional wounds.

So in the case of my ex-gf from 2017, when she walked into the room before we first met, I heard her spirit cry out to me for help. -but i didn't know who it was that i heard, i assumed i had heard my other friend, and i thought to myself "not again he's going to get too drunk and cry about his dead mother" later as i got to know the woman, i recognized it was her voice i heard. -later on i found out my friends had been trying to get the two of us to meet, so she already had knowledge of who i am, but she did not know what i looked like. and from how the next 6 weeks went, she did have desire for me before we first met. so you could say her spirit recognized mine, and spoke to me.

recently i had a second confirmation of this kind of thing, and possibly a third.

The concept of the Trinity, which I believe is valid, in my opinion is right there with the question, "where did God come from?"

Just as we cannot process that question in any way, so is the question, "how can three entities be one God?" It's a relationship foreign to us.

Some will say they are one God in essence, but that doesn't explain the real relationship, it explains the nature of the relationship.

Some will say the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is one entity that can change from one to the other at will. There are countless verses that refute that claim.

So we're left with another question that can't be answered by mortal man. There are many who claim they do understand it and can explain it, I'm still waiting. The truth is, it can't be explained in this mortal life. That's where faith comes in to trust God when we can't understand.

What He wants us to know and what we need to know and are capable of understanding is made plain and clear. The rest will come later.
 
The concept of the Trinity, which I believe is valid, in my opinion is right there with the question, "where did God come from?"

Just as we cannot process that question in any way, so is the question, "how can three entities be one God?" It's a relationship foreign to us.

Some will say they are one God in essence, but that doesn't explain the real relationship, it explains the nature of the relationship.

Some will say the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is one entity that can change from one to the other at will. There are countless verses that refute that claim.

So we're left with another question that can't be answered by mortal man. There are many who claim they do understand it and can explain it, I'm still waiting. The truth is, it can't be explained in this mortal life. That's where faith comes in to trust God when we can't understand.

What He wants us to know and what we need to know and are capable of understanding is made plain and clear. The rest will come later.
Charlie, I have heard so many metaphors attempting to explain the Trinity until they broke my mind. I also believe in the Triune God, Yahova, and I am humble enough to admit that I cannot teach a curriculum on the subject to anyone who has chosen not to believe. This is just like believing in Jesus, either the Holy Spirit has touched you and you choose to yield or you have been touched and wrote it off as an emotional experience.
 
Seriously..

If you cant understand it, then why not make it 4 parts, or 5?

Watch this humorous, non blasphemous skit.

 
Neither B-A-C, you, nor I can give an accurate definition of our Elohim beyond his name being Yahovah and He loves us in spite of our attitudes.
We can understand him on a level from what the Bible, human history, Creation, and inference can prove.
 
We can understand him on a level from what the Bible, human history, Creation, and inference can prove.

Yes, that's true, we can understand much in various ways.

But only what God has allowed for us to understand at this point in our redemption.

For example, the apostle John clearly tells us Jesus Christ is God. The Father Himself clearly calls Jesus Christ God.

But yet the Scripture says, "I am God, there is no other God besides me, I know not of any." We know that Jesus Christ is seated at His right hand right now and that He is God also.

In the realm of human understanding, how is this possible? God makes no attempt in His Word to explain this to us.

The only conclusion I have found is that the human mind cannot process this, even if He told us we wouldn't be able to comprehend it.

As I have said before, it's right there with "where did God come from, how does He exist?"
 
Yes, that's true, we can understand much in various ways.

But only what God has allowed for us to understand at this point in our redemption.

For example, the apostle John clearly tells us Jesus Christ is God. The Father Himself clearly calls Jesus Christ God.

But yet the Scripture says, "I am God, there is no other God besides me, I know not of any." We know that Jesus Christ is seated at His right hand right now and that He is God also.

In the realm of human understanding, how is this possible? God makes no attempt in His Word to explain this to us.

The only conclusion I have found is that the human mind cannot process this, even if He told us we wouldn't be able to comprehend it.

As I have said before, it's right there with "where did God come from, how does He exist?"
God isn't God if He had a Creator b/c then who made that god/God and so on forever.
People HATE when something can't be explained but the "most logical answer" can be found and understood by the human mind.
"In the beginning...." shows there was no Time until it started b/c of Him.
"created the Heavens" - Space. There was no Space yet God existed in this "void" which is at best we can call it.
"and the Earth" - Matter. Didn't exist until He created all simultaneously.

I'm sure there are many questions of How that many want answered but won't be until one has a glorified body and we are with God. Even then we won't be able to understand anywhere near His level and we must remember wanting to be "like" God is what started this whole mess.
 
I don't deny that God couldn't be three persons at one time. That is just not what the Bible teaches. Plus the Bible said we are made in the image of God. If He can be separated at will so should we, after all we are in his image and likeness.
‭I John 5:6-8 NKJV‬
[6] This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth. [7] For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. [8] And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.
 
‭I John 5:6-8 NKJV‬
[6] This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth. [7] For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. [8] And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one” (I John 5:7).

Although this verse of Scripture is often used by those who believe in three persons of God, it actually refutes this view, for it says that “these three are one.” Some interpret this phrase to mean one in unity as husband and wife are one. But it should be pointed out that this view is essentially polytheistic. If the word one referred to unity instead of a numerical designation, then the Godhead could be viewed as many gods in a united council or government. If unity were meant, the verse should have read, “These three agree as one.”

It is also interesting to note that this verse does not use the word Son, but Word. If Son were the special name of a distinct person in the Godhead, and if this verse were trying to teach distinct persons, why did it use Word instead of Son? Son does not refer primarily to deity, but Word does. The Word is not a distinct person from the Father any more than a man and his word are distinct persons. Rather, the Word is the thought, plan, or mind of God and also the expression of God.

I just explained I John 5:7 in a way that is consistent with the rest of Scripture. However, there is practically unanimous agreement among Bible scholars that this verse is really not part of the Bible at all! All major translations since the King James Version have omitted it, including the Revised Standard Version, The Amplified Bible, and the New International Version. So does the generally accepted Greek text (Nestle’s text). The NIV renders I John 5:7-8 as, “For there are three that testify: the Spirit, the water and the blood; and these three are in agreement.”

The KJV included verse 7 only because the 1522 edition of the Greek text compiled by Erasmus included it. Originally Erasmus had excluded this passage from his editions of 1516 and 1519 because it was not in any of 5,000 Greek manuscripts but only in late manuscripts of the Vulgate—the Latin version then used by the Roman Catholic Church. When the Catholic church put pressure on Erasmus to include this verse, he promised to do so if they could find even one Greek manuscript that had it. They finally produced one, so Erasmus reluctantly added the verse in, even though the manuscript so produced dated from 1520. (See Norman Geisler and William Nix, A General Introduction to the Bible, Chicago: Moody Press, 1968, 370.) From this evidence, it seems plausible that some overzealous copyist saw “there are three that testify” and decided to insert a little teaching of his own. Certainly, the passage in question is completely unrelated to the rest of John’s discussion here and interrupts the flow of his logical argument.

Although all the evidence indicates this passage was not originally a part of I John, God had His hand of protection and preservation on His Word. Despite the efforts of humans, God did not allow the passage to contradict His Word. Whether a person believes that I John 5:7 was originally part of the Bible or that it was a later interpolation, it does not teach three persons of God but rather reaffirms the Bible’s teaching of one indivisible God with various manifestations.
 
It is also interesting to note that this verse does not use the word Son, but Word. If Son were the special name of a distinct person in the Godhead, and if this verse were trying to teach distinct persons, why did it use Word instead of Son? Son does not refer primarily to deity, but Word does. The Word is not a distinct person from the Father any more than a man and his word are distinct persons. Rather, the Word is the thought, plan, or mind of God and also the expression of God.
[Rev 19:11-13 LSB] 11 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sits on it [is] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war. 12 His eyes [are] a flame of fire, and on His head [are] many diadems; having a name written [on Him] which no one knows except Himself, 13 and being clothed with a garment dipped in blood, His name is also called The Word of God.
 
Is God one or three? The Bible says there is only One God and He IS the Father, He IS the Son, and He IS the Holy Spirit. The One as three and the three as a Unity.
 
Is God one or three? The Bible says there is only One God and He IS the Father, He IS the Son, and He IS the Holy Spirit. The One as three and the three as a Unity.
None of theses Scriptures say God is Three in One, Just One.

Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD."
Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."
Isaiah 45:5 "I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me."
Isaiah 45:21-22 "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else."
Deuteronomy 4:35 "Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him."
Deuteronomy 32:39 "See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."
1 Kings 8:60 "That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else."
2 Samuel 7:22 "Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God: for there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears."
1 Chronicles 17:20 "O LORD, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears."
Hosea 13:4 "Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me."
Mark 12:29 "And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord."
Mark 12:32 "And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he."
John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."
Romans 3:30 "Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith."
1 Corinthians 8:4 "As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one."
1 Corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."
Galatians 3:20 "Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one."
Ephesians 4:6 "One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."
1 Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."
James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."
 
None of theses Scriptures say God is Three in One, Just One.

Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD."
Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."
Isaiah 45:5 "I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me."
Isaiah 45:21-22 "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else."
Deuteronomy 4:35 "Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him."
Deuteronomy 32:39 "See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."
1 Kings 8:60 "That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else."
2 Samuel 7:22 "Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God: for there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears."
1 Chronicles 17:20 "O LORD, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears."
Hosea 13:4 "Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me."
Mark 12:29 "And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord."
Mark 12:32 "And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he."
John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."
Romans 3:30 "Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith."
1 Corinthians 8:4 "As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one."
1 Corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."
Galatians 3:20 "Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one."
Ephesians 4:6 "One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."
1 Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."
James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."

That is 100% correct and I agree, there is ONLY ONE God (YHVH). The problem arose because ofthe term Hypostases whhich was translated into the Latin "personae" (the plurakl od Persona, which means an aspect of one's character as preseented to or percieved by another) which western theologians further defined these as "persons" implying three separate beings, but that was in error. The term hypostases indicates that in essence or substance these hypostases are all the same One.

The early Jewish Rabbis understood this concept and in the mid-1st century Targum Jonathan YHVH has a Hypostasis He has shared with humans (so as to reveal what they could grasp of His ultimate transcendence) and they referreed to this as the Memra (Word) of YHVH which we also call the Son). So "only Begotten" actually means eternally generated, or as YHVH was able to appear or manifest unto humans. John uses this concept in john 1:1 where he claims Christ is this one (in the person of the man Jesus). Thus he needs more than just the idea of the Greek Logos so he explains later this is YHVH as incarnate (dwelling in a human) where he explainas that He (YHVH) came and "dwelt" among us (the word dwelt being skeenoo or to pitch tent or tabernacle). Therefore, YHVH was in him reconciling the world unto Himself. He is the Tabernacle not made with hiands (Colossians 2:9-10).

This is what Christ meant when He tells us that no man has seen the form of the Father but that the only begotten Son has declared (or revealed) Him. Now most of the ancient Rabbis understood what John was saying, but simply did not believe Jesus to be this one. In Jonathan, Gamaliel'[s grandson (and also Onkelos in the early 2nd centtury), he refers to many examples like for instance when "the Angel of YHVH" speaks to Moses from amidst the bush but later reveals that He IS the God of Moses father's. He IS the I AM. Or when YHVH sits in the form of a man in the tent of Abraham and sends forth the two angels to rain down fire and brimstone from YHVH in Heaven (there are not two YHVHs, only one who sent and the one who was sent but they are the same one. Thus the Memra. The Spirit in these writings is just another Hypostasis of YHVH. Another wat He presents or revealed Himself to humans.

The earliest followers of Jesus (especially the Apostles) understood this clearly. They totally grasped that there was only ONE not a corporate unity of three. But also understood that the One and Only YHVH could present Himslef so humans could grasp an idea of Who he was (essentially).

Now just for clarity, this is NOT modalism or oneness pentecostalism or Sebellainism. YHVH, also in the Scriptures, has reveled Himself as the Father as the Word/Son and as the Spirit. But Hebrews 1 makes it clear that "the Son" IS YHVH (or God) from the Eternal the one the angels worship and obey, but in Hebrews 2 we hear that Jesus was MADE a little lower than the angels. In other words, YHVH was in the man Christ Jesus (hence the idea of Hypostatic Union).

So YES there is only one God and He IS the Father, the Word/Son, and the Holy Spirit. We are made in His image and as such you and I are also a spirit-man, a father, and a son, all in one. You are the one Ted yet all three,
 
That is 100% correct and I agree, there is ONLY ONE God (YHVH). The problem arose because ofthe term Hypostases whhich was translated into the Latin "personae" (the plurakl od Persona, which means an aspect of one's character as preseented to or percieved by another) which western theologians further defined these as "persons" implying three separate beings, but that was in error. The term hypostases indicates that in essence or substance these hypostases are all the same One.
If this is the case which I agree what is the difference between these two interpretation on the nature of God.

Trinitarian theology defines God as one eternal being existing in three distinct persons: the Father, Son (Jesus Christ), and Holy Spirit. These persons are co-equal, co-eternal, and share the same divine essence. The Father is the source of all, Jesus Christ is fully God and fully human, who atoned for humanity's sins, and the Holy Spirit indwells believers, empowering them. Trinitarians cite verses like Matthew 28:19 and John 1:1-14 to support this doctrine, emphasizing unity in salvation's purpose while acknowledging the complexity of God's nature as revealed in Scripture and Christian belief.

Those highlighted in orange is what throws me off they indicate separation. How can you separate One God.

United Pentecostals believe in the doctrine of the Oneness of God. They assert that God is one singular being who manifests Himself in three distinct modes or manifestations: Father, Son (Jesus Christ), and Holy Spirit. These modes are not separate persons but different ways in which God reveals Himself to humanity. They affirm that Jesus Christ is the complete incarnation of the one true God, and therefore, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not three co-equal and co-eternal persons, as in Trinitarian doctrine, but rather manifestations or roles that God assumes. This doctrine emphasizes the absolute unity of God and rejects the traditional Trinitarian concept of three distinct persons within the Godhead, maintaining that God is singular in essence and manifestation.

So I ask what is the difference between using persons or manifestations/roles. According to your input above.
 
What YOU called the same Essence IS YHVH. The error compared to Nicea and all ante-Nicean theology is making the Father, the Word/Son, and Spirit three different yet corporate Ousias as opposed to the One Ousia that has revealed Himself in three Hypostases.

The UPC believe these are all Jesus. (as stated many times in the works of David Bernard and others). They are clearly incorrect.
 
If this is the case which I agree what is the difference between these two interpretation on the nature of God.

Trinitarian theology defines God as one eternal being existing in three distinct persons: the Father, Son (Jesus Christ), and Holy Spirit. These persons are co-equal, co-eternal, and share the same divine essence. The Father is the source of all, Jesus Christ is fully God and fully human, who atoned for humanity's sins, and the Holy Spirit indwells believers, empowering them. Trinitarians cite verses like Matthew 28:19 and John 1:1-14 to support this doctrine, emphasizing unity in salvation's purpose while acknowledging the complexity of God's nature as revealed in Scripture and Christian belief.

Those highlighted in orange is what throws me off they indicate separation. How can you separate One God.

United Pentecostals believe in the doctrine of the Oneness of God. They assert that God is one singular being who manifests Himself in three distinct modes or manifestations: Father, Son (Jesus Christ), and Holy Spirit. These modes are not separate persons but different ways in which God reveals Himself to humanity. They affirm that Jesus Christ is the complete incarnation of the one true God, and therefore, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not three co-equal and co-eternal persons, as in Trinitarian doctrine, but rather manifestations or roles that God assumes. This doctrine emphasizes the absolute unity of God and rejects the traditional Trinitarian concept of three distinct persons within the Godhead, maintaining that God is singular in essence and manifestation.

So I ask what is the difference between using persons or manifestations/roles. According to your input above.

When I was lost and without God in my life, separated from Him by my sin, I heard the Gospel of Christ and accepted Him as my Savior. Through Christ I came into fellowship with God the Father.

Then someone comes along and tells me that relationship with God the Father is based on a mode of Christ role playing the Father. They further try to tell me the true nature of God the Father is in one person (Jesus Christ) who is role playing the Father.

I don't believe this is an attempt to deny the Trinity (3 distinct persons) but an attempt to explain the Trinity and in doing so the Trinity is denied.

No one can explain how 3 distinct person can be one God, the Oneness Pentecostals think they have figured it out.
 
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