Hi again....
Lovebird, please do not mis-understand me. I was in no way suggesting anything about you and your faith, and I do not now. I can see that one might consider that I insinuated something, but that only goes to prove my point... we as adults, see things as adults see them, whereas, children see things from children's perspectives. Also, it is very easy to mis-understand the impression that certain music gives.
Of course everyone is free to choose their own taste.... and yes, you can share your opinions in peace here.
I merely 'addressed' you to comment on what you had written, as is often the case in forums. Perhaps I should have been less direct, and I ask you to forgive me if I caused you any trouble in the way I wrote.... I am sorry, and it was not my intention.
If I could say some more on this subject....
The thread was asking about heavy metal music in relation to children we are responsible for. Although we are all free to do as we please in this world, not all things are beneficial or as in the case of children, nurturing.
Of course, heavy metal is not the only genre of music that might be listened to by folks caught up in drugs, pornography, violence, etc. That was not being said. What was being said, was if children decide they prefer to do these things... does that make it OK?
Of course not. And should we allow it in our homes as a matter of saying that it's OK to do these things? So the reference to drugs, pornography, violence, etc. was to show that if we take a principal like let them do it if they want to, or prefer to, and applying it to every aspect , we do come up against problems like drugs, pornography, violence, etc. that totally contradict that idea of do what you want to do... if it makes you happy it's OK with me, your parent and teacher.
Please understand that it is not the music being directly addressed in the above. It is a principal that was put forth. The line, the road, is narrow that leads to life.... and it doesn't cater for the flesh.
Now, byhisgrace, if I may comment on something you said?
The flesh says I HATE the rap, rock, heavy sound of the music so it is evil no matter that every word of it is singing praises to God. I only listen to Christian songs...no matter the sound..if it is singing praises to God...it is GOOD. if it is not..it is not. the lyrics someone posted are beautiful...no matter what the music to it sounds like. And I can't figure out how it can be said that it is good if it is sung to the sound of Amazing Grace and evil if it is sung to something hard.
Actually, the problem is that it is the flesh that says "YES! I like it!" Now, children are often lead by their flesh.... just as adults are. But, like trees, they develop and grow according to their training and environment, whereas adults have been through that stage already. So, again, merely from a viewpoint of music suitable for children, we must nurture them.
Now, I am not stating my preferences, nor my listening habits.... as that is not the subject of the thread, and any mention relating to me is purely to help answer the original questions by AJS. I am not judging anyone for what they listen to or don't listen to.
If I may go on.. we have addressed the music and situation of the free western world.... but what of places where there isn't freedom, but instead horrific suffering and pain? Tell me please, anyone who would like to answer,
a child whose family has just been brutally murdered, and house destroyed and animals slaughtered, sister raped and taken captive..... all in view of that child.... tell me please if heavy metal music would be the best choice of soothing music to play if any were to be played to that child, or thousands like them? Or perhaps the starving children of this world would appreciate loud heavy metal playing as they slip into death?
Sounds a bit extreme doesn't it!? BUT, this is reality, and this is what we might do well to consider, when advising parents about what to let their children listen to. Even in the 'west' I am sure that soothing music after rape, or murder, is not heavy metal. Honestly, this is not about if you or I like it, or if a person made an instrument, or wrote nice lyrics, but rather about how heavy metal music, like all music, effects children. I mentioned people who have suffered much, to point out that we would choose a softer genre of music to assist or nurture, for a reason.... and when we look at that reason, we must admit that heavy metal is not really a suitable diet for children.
It is so simple.
OK, lets go to a war zone... bombs and bullets flying..... destroyed homes and sirens, screaming and pain... Yes, a violent life, that many DO live.... again, what genre of music would one play who is working with traumatized victims of war? Why?
It is a well known fact that music sets the mood, that music is a very powerful medium, that music influences people, and that music also reflects the condition of people and their lot.
Perhaps playing voo-doo rhythm day in day out, with a dance around a fire and heads on sticks is OK too? Well, of course my little darlings... careful you don't get burnt!
Well?
Perhaps some hypnotic trance music might be better at children's parties?
Heavy metal is, like all electric music, a very recent addition to this world, with heavy metal entering about 40 years ago. So when we look at it, let's see that it is running parallel with many other modern changes, and a lot of them are not good changes. So try and appreciate that although some do like it, and some is played in attempt to worship and/or praise the Lord, it is not a necessary part of our existance, for the earth has been turning for thousands of years prior to it's introduction.
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today and for ever. Hebrews 13:8
NO, AJS, you need not subject your young ones to heavy metal. There is enough that they may need to get their heads and hearts around.... but when they get older, don't dismiss them if they choose to listen to heavy metal.
Bless you all ...>
Br. Bear
Lovebird, please do not mis-understand me. I was in no way suggesting anything about you and your faith, and I do not now. I can see that one might consider that I insinuated something, but that only goes to prove my point... we as adults, see things as adults see them, whereas, children see things from children's perspectives. Also, it is very easy to mis-understand the impression that certain music gives.
Of course everyone is free to choose their own taste.... and yes, you can share your opinions in peace here.
I merely 'addressed' you to comment on what you had written, as is often the case in forums. Perhaps I should have been less direct, and I ask you to forgive me if I caused you any trouble in the way I wrote.... I am sorry, and it was not my intention.
If I could say some more on this subject....
The thread was asking about heavy metal music in relation to children we are responsible for. Although we are all free to do as we please in this world, not all things are beneficial or as in the case of children, nurturing.
Of course, heavy metal is not the only genre of music that might be listened to by folks caught up in drugs, pornography, violence, etc. That was not being said. What was being said, was if children decide they prefer to do these things... does that make it OK?
Of course not. And should we allow it in our homes as a matter of saying that it's OK to do these things? So the reference to drugs, pornography, violence, etc. was to show that if we take a principal like let them do it if they want to, or prefer to, and applying it to every aspect , we do come up against problems like drugs, pornography, violence, etc. that totally contradict that idea of do what you want to do... if it makes you happy it's OK with me, your parent and teacher.
Please understand that it is not the music being directly addressed in the above. It is a principal that was put forth. The line, the road, is narrow that leads to life.... and it doesn't cater for the flesh.
Now, byhisgrace, if I may comment on something you said?
The flesh says I HATE the rap, rock, heavy sound of the music so it is evil no matter that every word of it is singing praises to God. I only listen to Christian songs...no matter the sound..if it is singing praises to God...it is GOOD. if it is not..it is not. the lyrics someone posted are beautiful...no matter what the music to it sounds like. And I can't figure out how it can be said that it is good if it is sung to the sound of Amazing Grace and evil if it is sung to something hard.
Actually, the problem is that it is the flesh that says "YES! I like it!" Now, children are often lead by their flesh.... just as adults are. But, like trees, they develop and grow according to their training and environment, whereas adults have been through that stage already. So, again, merely from a viewpoint of music suitable for children, we must nurture them.
Now, I am not stating my preferences, nor my listening habits.... as that is not the subject of the thread, and any mention relating to me is purely to help answer the original questions by AJS. I am not judging anyone for what they listen to or don't listen to.
If I may go on.. we have addressed the music and situation of the free western world.... but what of places where there isn't freedom, but instead horrific suffering and pain? Tell me please, anyone who would like to answer,
a child whose family has just been brutally murdered, and house destroyed and animals slaughtered, sister raped and taken captive..... all in view of that child.... tell me please if heavy metal music would be the best choice of soothing music to play if any were to be played to that child, or thousands like them? Or perhaps the starving children of this world would appreciate loud heavy metal playing as they slip into death?
Sounds a bit extreme doesn't it!? BUT, this is reality, and this is what we might do well to consider, when advising parents about what to let their children listen to. Even in the 'west' I am sure that soothing music after rape, or murder, is not heavy metal. Honestly, this is not about if you or I like it, or if a person made an instrument, or wrote nice lyrics, but rather about how heavy metal music, like all music, effects children. I mentioned people who have suffered much, to point out that we would choose a softer genre of music to assist or nurture, for a reason.... and when we look at that reason, we must admit that heavy metal is not really a suitable diet for children.
It is so simple.
OK, lets go to a war zone... bombs and bullets flying..... destroyed homes and sirens, screaming and pain... Yes, a violent life, that many DO live.... again, what genre of music would one play who is working with traumatized victims of war? Why?
It is a well known fact that music sets the mood, that music is a very powerful medium, that music influences people, and that music also reflects the condition of people and their lot.
Perhaps playing voo-doo rhythm day in day out, with a dance around a fire and heads on sticks is OK too? Well, of course my little darlings... careful you don't get burnt!
Well?
Perhaps some hypnotic trance music might be better at children's parties?
Heavy metal is, like all electric music, a very recent addition to this world, with heavy metal entering about 40 years ago. So when we look at it, let's see that it is running parallel with many other modern changes, and a lot of them are not good changes. So try and appreciate that although some do like it, and some is played in attempt to worship and/or praise the Lord, it is not a necessary part of our existance, for the earth has been turning for thousands of years prior to it's introduction.
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today and for ever. Hebrews 13:8
NO, AJS, you need not subject your young ones to heavy metal. There is enough that they may need to get their heads and hearts around.... but when they get older, don't dismiss them if they choose to listen to heavy metal.
Bless you all ...>
Br. Bear
