Is it sinful and vain for women to wear makeup?

[farout]

I have read a lot of these post's. It seems like there is a lot of yes it might be's or maybe not's. We need to give a yes or a simpe no. I would say YES is fine...... but the choice is your's ladies.

Some of us guy's have beards that cover up some pretty rough looking skin. Who am I to say what women should do. As long as it's not outlandish. I think my wife makes her beauty shine with makeup or no makeup she is full of beauty. I am so proud of my wife! So each couple has worked this out, and a wife that knows when she looks best.

 

[David777]

Hello farout.

You always inspire me.

We need someone to step up to the plate and
legislate a law forbidding the wearing of makeup.
Also, a law enforcing the wearing of the habib
to conceal the faces of the women.

Then we can run around with sticks punishing
those who flaunt the law just like the taliban.

Where are the legalists when you need them!

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Hello farout.

You always inspire me.

We need someone to step up to the plate and
legislate a law forbidding the wearing of makeup.
Also, a law enforcing the wearing of the habib
to conceal the faces of the women.

Then we can run around with sticks punishing
those who flaunt the law just like the taliban.

Where are the legalists when you need them!

Greetings David777

This thread was not intended to be to cast stones, be legalistic or to judge anyone.

It was aimed to look at what the scriptures do or dont say regarding makeup
And to see what people believe the scriptures to be saying.

My two oldest daughters, still very young and impressionable, are growing up in a world where they have been teased and bullied for choosing not to wear makeup.

The pressure to conform is huge and if you dont there's bullying.....no wonder there is so much social phobia and anxiety disorder prevailing in young people.

A study of the scriptures and spiritually sound words from fellow Christians has been so interesting for them and a good educational exercise.

But much more importantly it has been valuable in building them up and helping them to understand that they don't need to conform......that they are precious to Jesus just as they are. Accepted and loved by the Saviour.....Praise the Lord

Quoting from an earlier post.......

More questioning occured when we recently moved to a new area and tried out a few new churches

We attended one and walked in to see a very scantily clad, heavily madeup woman, (in the words of the song ...what she wasnt wearing looked too tight!!). She was dancing and girating, wiggling her hips on the stage.....singing 'praise the Lord' After the song we learned that this woman was going to deliver part of the message. I am not sure where peoples attentions would be focussed.

Another church we tried was full of young and old people, very, very madeup, very glamorous, very scimpy and revealing clothing. It felt more like attending a night club than a place of worship.

So again the questions came.....Is this the way the Lord wants Christian women to look, behave, clad themselves. Is this glorifying to the Lord?

Is it vain or sinful for Christian women to be madeup/dressed this way?

I suppose I could have said, O well this is Australia no one wears that much in the summer, instead I said I felt it was innappropriate and perhaps they would like to study the subject a bit more.....hence this thread amongst other studies

How would you have answered them David or anyone reading this?


Ye are complete in Him
Colossians 2:10

 

[revbrad]

I believe that if an individual truly wants to serve and please God then the answer to this question will be given to them by God.

If any lack wisdom let them ask

There are things I do or don't do that other christians differ on. However, God has given me liberty in some areas and not in others.

I must also say that the Bible teaches if our liberty causes others to sin, stumble or be offended we ought not do it.

 

[Fragrant Grace]

I believe that if an individual truly wants to serve and please God then the answer to this question will be given to them by God.

If any lack wisdom let them ask

There are things I do or don't do that other christians differ on. However, God has given me liberty in some areas and not in others.

I must also say that the Bible teaches if our liberty causes others to sin, stumble or be offended we ought not do it.

Yes revbrad I agree

The Bible also tells us:

Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
Proverbs 22:6

And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.
Ephesians 6:4

 

[David777]

Hello Fragrant Grace.

It is an honor to be asked a question by you.

Luke 7

36 Now one of the Pharisees was requesting Him to dine with him,
and He entered the Pharisee’s house and reclined at the table.
37 And there was a woman in the city who was a sinner; and when
she learned that He was reclining at the table in the Pharisee’s house,
she brought an alabaster vial of perfume, 38 and standing behind Him
at His feet, weeping, she began to wet His feet with her tears, and kept
wiping them with the hair of her head, and kissing His feet and anointing
them with the perfume. 39 Now when the Pharisee who had invited Him
saw this, he said to himself, “If this man were a prophet He would know
who and what sort of person this woman is who is touching Him,
that she is a sinner.

Obviously the real question is not so much this
womens' deep gratitude for forgiveness but
what was she wearing?

 

[Brad Huber]

Hello Fragrant Grace.

It is an honor to be asked a question by you.

Luke 7

36 Now one of the Pharisees was requesting Him to dine with him,
and He entered the Pharisee’s house and reclined at the table.
37 And there was a woman in the city who was a sinner; and when
she learned that He was reclining at the table in the Pharisee’s house,
she brought an alabaster vial of perfume, 38 and standing behind Him
at His feet, weeping, she began to wet His feet with her tears, and kept
wiping them with the hair of her head, and kissing His feet and anointing
them with the perfume. 39 Now when the Pharisee who had invited Him
saw this, he said to himself, “If this man were a prophet He would know
who and what sort of person this woman is who is touching Him,
that she is a sinner.

Obviously the real question is not so much this
womens' deep gratitude for forgiveness but
what was she wearing?

Putting words in someone else's mouth that they did not say is wrong David. Who is the overly critical one?

 

[David777]

Hello Brad Huber.

I was asking a question Brad.

Please answer the question, what is the significant
event that the pharisees missed?

The Pharisees were relying on the external appearance,
she was a sinner, what label was she wearing? Jesus saw
into the heart of this woman, deep gratitude.

I am not interested at all in the outward appearance.
I am only interested in the fruit of the Spirit.

 

[amanda123]

David777

Your attitude is judgemental and wrong.

Fragrantgrace wrote gentley explaining everythong to you quite humbly. As a mum I feel for her in this horribel world.

Some of you just make fun and accuse its wrong

 

[Brad Huber]

Hello Brad Huber.

I was asking a question Brad.

Please answer the question, what is the significant
event that the pharisees missed?

The Pharisees were relying on the external appearance,
she was a sinner, what label was she wearing? Jesus saw
into the heart of this woman, deep gratitude.

I am not interested at all in the outward appearance.
I am only interested in the fruit of the Spirit.

Galations 6:22-23
22.But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23.gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

How is putting words in her mouth that she neither said nor intended to say (Obviously the real question is not so much this womens' deep gratitude for
forgiveness but what was she wearing?) fulfilling the fruit of the Spirit? You were comparing her (obviously) to the pharisee's who only saw what the woman had done, in her colored past, and not in her heart, and in her honoring Jesus. Does Scripture say that she imediately went out and continued with her life of sin? When Jesus met the woman about to be stoned and wrote in the sand, the pharisees and everyone left. Did he then say "They left, so go on about your business?" No!

And again in John 5:14, Jesus had just recently healed a man and..
14.Afterward Jesus found him in the temple and said to him, “Behold, you have become well; do not sin anymore, so that nothing worse happens to you.”

Was Jesus sinning by saying this?

Dont you see that trying to trap people in thier words by putting words in thier mouth they didnt say is deceptive? She understands the importance of not judging people by appearances, and both I and she (I amagine) agree that is true, but Christ doesnt say just do whatever you want either. Comparing her to a pharisee doesnt much seem like the fruit of the spirit to me, but perhaps you use a different set of beliefs than I.

Speak your words in love please, if at all possible. Even rebukes can be done without sly undercutting remarks.

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Follow after love, and desire spiritual gifts
1 Corinthians 14:1


In response to David777's post

Brothers and sisters

I sincerely apologise if I have offended anyone by putting up this thread.
My aim was never to cast stones or make judgement

If I had posted in the prayer thread.....saying that my daughters have been bullied and called names because they choose not to wear makeup......and that they have had quite a rough time of it......I suspect that there would have been quite a lot of prayers for them...that they are comforted, strengthened in the faith etc etc

However, because the subject was bought up here....in what I had thought would be the continuation of an interesting scriptural study, it appears to have turned sour.

Jesus accepts us just as we are.....filthy dirty sinners, no matter what we wear or dont wear.
He clothes us in His beautiful righteousness and washes us white as snow
Amazing grace, perfect love!
Praise the Lord


Once saved we can't make Jesus love us more or love us less.....by wearing makeup or not wearing makeup.

However, as I have said before.....the questions raised here were a response to my daughters seeing a very heavily madeup Christian woman, heavily jewelled, scantily clad, dancing rather seductively, leading a worship service. And a similar almost nightclub type atmosphere and dress sense at another church.

Their questions to me, posted here, are about Christian women and essentially simply asking for scriptural responses regarding any guidelines or instructions about makeup in the Bible.

I do hope this makes things clearer.


Present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God
Romans 12:1

 

[David777]

Follow after love, and desire spiritual gifts
1 Corinthians 14:1


In response to David777's post

Brothers and sisters

I sincerely apologise if I have offended anyone by putting up this thread.
My aim was never to cast stones or make judgement

If I had posted in the prayer thread.....saying that my daughters have been bullied and called names because they choose not to wear makeup......and that they have had quite a rough time of it......I suspect that there would have been quite a lot of prayers for them...that they are comforted, strengthened in the faith etc etc

However, because the subject was bought up here....in what I had thought would be the continuation of an interesting scriptural study, it appears to have turned sour.

Jesus accepts us just as we are.....filthy dirty sinners, no matter what we wear or dont wear.
He clothes us in His beautiful righteousness and washes us white as snow
Amazing grace, perfect love!
Praise the Lord


Once saved we can't make Jesus love us more or love us less.....by wearing makeup or not wearing makeup.

However, as I have said before.....the questions raised here were a response to my daughters seeing a very heavily madeup Christian woman, heavily jewelled, scantily clad, dancing rather seductively, leading a worship service. And a similar almost nightclub type atmosphere and dress sense at another church.

Their questions to me, posted here, are about Christian women and essentially simply asking for scriptural responses regarding any guidelines or instructions about makeup in the Bible.

I do hope this makes things clearer.


Present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God
Romans 12:1

Hello Fragrant Grace.

I did not mean to be offensive, sorry if that is the way
it appeared. I have read many of your posts and they
are always tender and strongly based on the scripture.

I do not pay to much attention to what people wear.

It is my fault for not following the thread closely and
using verses that were somewhat too strong.

Love in Christ, David.

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Hello Fragrant Grace.

I did not mean to be offensive, sorry if that is the way
it appeared. I have read many of your posts and they
are always tender and strongly based on the scripture.

I do not pay to much attention to what people wear.

It is my fault for not following the thread closely and
using verses that were somewhat too strong.

Love in Christ, David.

Thank you for your post David and your understanding words

Lets keep looking to the scriptures when answering this thread (and any other thread)
That Christ alone may be glorified in our lives

.... grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Saviour
2 Peter 3:18

 

[Chad]

Thread closed temporarily, it's 12 pages long and needs review.

 

[Eddy Fire]

question: Is it sinful and vain for women to wear makeup? (Should Christian women wear makeup?)
answer: Christians are the Body of Christ.

looking from another angle: the Body is the temple (not a barn) made of living stones, perfect and entire, beautiful and no man should add to it or take from it
an eternal thing
mans opinions are foolishness and vain
the flesh wars against the spirit
all too often around the world both now and in history it can be seen and heard the covering of doctrines and opinions, marring the perfect living holy Word; the false appearance; the preaching and teaching followed by the following of followers; the using of opinions and the name of the Lord; for vanity and gain, for satisfying the lust of the flesh, be it the world or the individual, to cover the manpleasing and desires, the weaknesses and fears, the excuses used to deny reality, the easy road to destruction; pretending to be something they are not, falsity, corruption, conduct compromised and filthied with artificial displays of righteousness and a resulting holy show

unpure and hurtful or damaging results arise from defending a personal preference
reference to the Word offends some resulting in attacking others and jesting, mocking as in the last days
luring some into vain traditions, into deceitful arguments, to dead and ugly reasoning
some decide
to put the Word aside
to voice
their choice
and support it with made up convictions and reasonings
turning ugly in all they say and do and angry at those who don't
should we wear make-up to cover such things?

the real or greater sin appears to be in the devouring one another and using the name of the Lord to defend our natural man, our flesh
the flesh doesn't play gentle games of giggle and joke, but is deathly in its attack against the spirit, wanting to rule over self and others for pride and arrogance, for division and attention, for all manner of worldly lusts, which are both sinful and vain
brothers and sisters, these things ought not to be
let us proceed in love and put the priority and passion into defending the gospel preached unto you, if indeed you have heard and received it, and let the light of the glory of God in Jesus Christ the Lord be your only stimulation and reason, your judgement in matters such as these
put aside all filthy communication and conduct, let your speech be seasoned with salt, not pride or self or venom or despising or shame
be not ashamed of the gospel
defend it and live it
it is beautiful just the way it is
there is no need to hide behind any makeup, be it in conduct and words, in doctrines and teaching, in body and expression

if we would only ever present ourselves as the living sacrifices we are to be if we are to be found at His coming,
if we would only ever desire the truth to only ever be spoken or else hold our tongue, then as living stones, we may be presentable as the glorious Bride to the One Who has washed us and cleansed us and sanctified us and called us and redeemed us, Who looks upon the heart and not upon the outward man

can we dare to live a life that imitates our King

can we be so brave as to say no to perverting the Word for selfish promotion and can it be at all possible that if we do, we will find little or no need to indulge our faces in a covering that is just not us
Eve hid with Adam
why?
the Body is Christ
the reality is Christ

it's who you are in Christ that matters, not what you look like

does the body of Christ need improvement
all things are not profitable so why do them?

brothers and sisters, Jesus is Lord, whatever your response might be to the original question and your reply to others posts, uphold only the truth, forgetting personal opinion, and build each other up in truth
it appears here in this thread that a lot of people use verbal and intellectual make-up for their responses, trying to beautify what amounts only to their personal choice, and perhaps prove how vain and self indulgent the wearing of make-up can be
if that is sin, so be it
who are we trying to please?
what do the scriptures say?

perhaps the only scriptural endorsement for anything close to make-up is the anointing of your head when fasting
is that why so many wear make-up and approve of it?

Moses covered his face after spending time with the LORD
again, is that why you choose to cover your face

if you work in a funeral home it is the dead that are prettied up with make-up
not so you Christians
you are alive, living lively stones

let your confidence be in Christ Jesus the Lord and cease from being swayed by the world and dear brothers and sisters, sisters and brothers, use not worldly arguments to back your cause
the replies here in this thread (and others too) are no different from the same style and content that the world produces, the flesh that lusts against and wars against the spirit
don't make up excuses for doing what you do and never to impress others or win their attention
either do it or don't but speak only the Word to one another, edifying and building up
try a little fasting and a drawing near to the LORD and see if you find your reasons reasonable and valid
do it again
and again
the things of this world will grow strangely dim
be not divided and put on charity

1Corinthians 1:25-31
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. 26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: 27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: 29 That no flesh should glory in his presence. 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

I encourage you all to read Romans Chapter 8
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. Romans 8:7

 

[Fragrant Grace]

question: Is it sinful and vain for women to wear makeup? (Should Christian women wear makeup?)

let your confidence be in Christ Jesus the Lord and cease from being swayed by the world and dear brothers and sisters, sisters and brothers, use not worldly arguments to back your cause
the replies here in this thread (and others too) are no different from the same style and content that the world produces, the flesh that lusts against and wars against the spirit
don't make up excuses for doing what you do and never to impress others or win their attention
either do it or don't but speak only the Word to one another, edifying and building up
try a little fasting and a drawing near to the LORD and see if you find your reasons reasonable and valid
do it again
and again
the things of this world will grow strangely dim
be not divided and put on charity

Thank you for this very thought provoking post Eddy Fire

Having spent much time pondering and praying about these matters.....I apologise if this post talks about 'me'

The Lord doesn't care more for beautiful or made-up women than He does for plain or ugly faces
So why do Christian women worry so much about how they look?

I do not wear make-up, but have done in the past.
When I looked in the mirror to put make-up on.......
It was to please myself
To make myself look better, more acceptable, prettier
To cover what I didnt like about myself
To attempt to look like someone else (coveting a prettier persons features)

I did it to please my worldly standards and my perception of myself

I didnt ever put make-up on for Jesus to make myself look better for Him
Jesus doesn't need me or anyone to wear make-up.
He loves and accepts us just as we are......warts, spots, pimples, wrinkles and all

Nothing plastered on our faces will make anyone more or less acceptable to Him
So therefore for me make-up is a worthless vanity


True beauty in the Christian woman is described in His word:

Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price
1 Peter 3:3-4

In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
1 Timothy 2:9-10

 

[amadeus2]

At first no covering was wanted and required, because no one was ashamed of what God had given to anyone...

"And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed." Gen 2:25

When they were able to see things that apparently made them ashamed, they attempted to cover their shame themselves.

"And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons." Gen 3:7

God, dealing with their new situation properly did what they had been unable to do, cover their shame. he did not remove the shame , which they had brought upon themselves, but He did provide a covering.

"Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them." Gen 3:21

Have we gone astray in continuing to make coverings for ourselves instead of looking to God for the proper coverings? Are we using self-chosen fig leaves or are using the skins God has provided?

Job had a hedge around him which protected him. When the hedge was partially removed on two different occasions attacks against him were allowed. He did not necessarily come through completely flawless, but he did nevertheless always attempt to stand close to God... close enough that while God had to correct his understanding, he did not need to chastise him... (as apparently was the case with Job's three friends).

God's hedge was never removed completely from around Job, because we know that without God the man could never have stood against the adversary. Job stood. Job did not put a hedge about himself. The hedge came from God.

Perhaps a girl with an unsightly birthmark using makeup and a man with terrible facial disfigurements growing a beard may be be respectively given those things as coverings (hedges) by God. To know if our covering (hedge) is from God or not, we need to be able to hear the Lord's voice.

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:" John 10:27

Probably too many of us are too often listening to and obeying voices other than the Chief Shepherd's voice. I know that I have done it myself... too often.

Maybe before deciding on the make-up issue, we should be certain that we are hearing what thus saith the Lord to our hearts about it. God has a plan that covers or uncovers every situation, I believe, depending upon the need. Only God always what are really needs and what are wants. Sometimes, because He loves us, God will give us not only what we need, but what we want as well. Stepping out on our own, instead of according to His plan, is likely find falling in a ditch rather staying on the highway of holiness.

Give God the glory always!

 

[amanda123]

Could men put on makeup and want to make themselves look better too. If asome are sayin makeup is ok for ladies, why not for men too?

Are the rules the same for men nd if not why not?

 

[Rev T.S.Perkins]

i myself have worn make up for hours at a time for clown ministery..it does change you inside or your self preseption ..how ever again ii do know some need it for medical reasons ...When i was on TBN in the mid 90s they wouldnt let me come on in make up due to not wanting to cause suspicion.How ever they allowed Tammy Baker, Jan Crouch and others to layer it on with out concern....dbl standard maybe.?? its not what is on the surface but what is in the heart that counts and the fruit it bears .....Rev

 

[amanda123]

Tx rev for yur useful reply

What though if yoiur brother friend or pastor started wearing makeup

Would this be okay
Wid it be aceptable

If its okay for women is it okay for men too?

I know in my church and in my family men would not be acceptale in makeup it would be seen as sin. And pretty bad sin too