Is refusal to trust again unforgiveness?

[Trevor]

 

[Enxu]

Well I'm sorry that you believe my posts emanate from the devil Enxu, but if you can't see that to forgive is for your benefit, and not your protagonists, I suppose you must have a reason for carrying the pain, maybe to give you an exuse to continue the fight, and if you can't see that when a person abuses you it's to get a reaction and if you react, then they have defeated you. then I suppose we have to agree to disagree.

Not repaying evil for evil IS forgiveness, that’s what I agree. I don’t however agree with the ugly teaching that we should turn the other cheek to the extreme and become doormats. Your Christianity has taken things to the extreme and it’s victimising people and enabling evil. That’s unbiblical and unloving. You need to repent and seek God for understanding.

 

[Trevor]

Not repaying evil for evil IS forgiveness, that’s what I agree. I don’t however agree with the ugly teaching that we should turn the other cheek to the extreme and become doormats. Your Christianity has taken things to the extreme and it’s victimising people and enabling evil.

bless you Enxu.

 

[Enxu]

Well I'm sorry that you believe my posts emanate from the devil Enxu, but if you can't see that to forgive is for your benefit, and not your protagonists, I suppose you must have a reason for carrying the pain, maybe to give you an exuse to continue the fight, and if you can't see that when a person abuses you it's to get a reaction and if you react, then they have defeated you. then I suppose we have to agree to disagree.

About devilish teachings I was not directing it at you, I am just SORELY disgusted how those ugly teachings portrayed God as a sadist who tells His people to invite others to treat them badly. Such teachings are evil and do not come from the God I know. The devil has never stopped trying to make God look like a tormentor and evil sadist, he has done it through those ugly teachings over and over. Do you really believe a just God will allow His people to be ill treated without consequences? Do you really think a just God will teach His people to actively invite bad treatment on purpose by “turning the other cheek”? You might not mean it that way but that’s how the “Christian” teachings you adhere to look like in other people’s eyes. You are deceived with false doctrines and don’t even know it.

 

[Enxu]

How can Christianity claim to know God when its teachings depict God as a sadist, a tormentor who delights in letting His people suffer and encourages His people to invite bad treatment? Any people with common sense will find such teachings nonsensical and downright crazy.

Many innocent Christians are stuck in abusive situations because of such damnable teachings. Victims are victimised over and over and abusers get away scot free because Christians are asked to “turn the other cheek”! Sorry but this is disgusting and you will forgive me if I speak harshly against it. I know the God I believe in and He will not excuse such devilish teachings which slander His holy name and make Him look like an evil god.

 

[Trevor]

About devilish teachings I was not directing it at you, I am just disgusted how those ugly teachings portrayed God as a sadist who tells His people to invite others to treat them badly. It is evil and does not come from the God I know. The devil has never stopped trying make God look bad, he has done it through those ugly teachings over and over. Do you really believe a just God will allow His people to be ill treated without consequences? Do you really think a just God teaches His people to say it’s ok to be treated badly? You are deceived and don’t even know it.

The ways of the kingdom of heaven, are not the ways of the world Enxu. In the world people are held to account for what they do. Jesus and Stephen said forgive them Father for they know not what they do. When a woman was caught in adultery, the people wanted to stone her, after all, she had likely wrecked a marriage. Jesus said, "let he who has no sin cast the first stone", they all dropped their stones. He then asked the woman; "who has condemned you", when she said no-one, he said "then neither do I go and sin no more". He also said if someone steals your garment let them take your other garment also. The ways of the kingdom of heaven are the different to the ways of the world. vengeance and punishment are the weapons of the world, love and forgiveness are the weapons of the kingdom. Romans 12:19-20 Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head." Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. bless you.

 

[Trevor]

How can Christianity claim to know God when its teachings depict God as a sadist, a tormentor who delights in letting His people suffer and encourages His people to invite bad treatment? Any people with common sense will find such teachings nonsensical and downright crazy.

Isaiah 55:8-9 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the Lord. "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."

 

[Trevor]

Christians are asked to “turn the other cheek”! Sorry but this is disgusting

Really? these are the words of your King Enxu.

 

[Enxu]

The ways of the kingdom of heaven, are not the ways of the world Enxu. In the world people are held to account for what they do.

God Himself said He by His Son will REPAY/JUDGE everyone according to what they have done. Romans 2:6 and Matthew 16:27 So it’s not true that accountability is the ways of the world.

Jesus and Stephen said forgive them Father for they know not what they do.

Jesus gave the reason WHY they were forgiven: they did not know what they were doing by crucifying Him. In other words, they did it in ignorance. The same kind of forgiveness was NOT offered to the Pharisees, instead they were condemned for crucifying Him. Because they did know what they were doing and still did it. Deliberately doing evil is different from doing it in ignorance, can’t you tell the difference?

When a woman was caught in adultery, the people wanted to stone her, after all, she had likely wrecked a marriage. Jesus said, "let he who has no sin cast the first stone", they all dropped their stones. He then asked the woman; "who has condemned you", when she said no-one, he said "then neither do I go and sin no more".

That passage was about confronting the self righteousness of the scribes. In fact, Jesus did not say “don’t cast any stones”, He said if you are truly without sin go ahead and cast the stone. No stone was casted in the end because nobody was sinless there, not because there are no consequences. So there IS a consequence to what the woman did. But she was shown mercy and grace, and given a strict warning to SIN NO MORE. It is not right to extrapolate this to mean there is no consequence to sinning, because Romans 6:23 said clearly the wages of sin is DEATH. There is always a consequence to doing evil.

 

[Trevor]

God Himself said He will REPAY everyone according to what they have done. Romans 2:6 So it’s not true that accountability is the ways of the world.



Jesus gave the reason WHY they were forgiven: they did not know what they were doing by crucifying Him. In other words, they did it in ignorance. The same kind of forgiveness was NOT offered to the Pharisees, instead they were condemned for crucifying Him. Because they did know what they were doing and still did it. Deliberately doing evil is different from doing it in ignorance, can’t you tell the difference?



That passage was about confronting the self righteousness of the scribes. In fact, Jesus did not say “don’t cast any stones”, He said if you are truly without sin go ahead and cast the stone. No stone was casted in the end because nobody was sinless there, not because there are no consequences. So there IS a consequence to what the woman did. But she was shown mercy and grace, and given a strict warning to SIN NO MORE. It is not right to extrapolate this to mean there is no consequence to sinning, because Romans said clearly the wages of sin is DEATH. There is always a consequence to doing evil.

Enxu, we're never going to agree kid, so let's agree to disagree, we see things differently. I pray that whichever one of us is misguided the Lord will open our eyes to his truth. bless you

 

[Enxu]

He also said if someone steals your garment let them take your other garment also.

This is the actual passage and it says NOTHING about stealing: Matthew 5:40 If you are sued in court and your shirt is taken from you, give your coat, too.

This is about being sued in court and wrongfully incurring a loss. Why are you turning this into a stealing case and make it seem like God teaches Christians to allow others to steal?

 

[Enxu]

The ways of the kingdom of heaven are the different to the ways of the world. vengeance and punishment are the weapons of the world, love and forgiveness are the weapons of the kingdom. Romans 12:19-20 Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head." Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. bless you.

You yourself quoted Scriptures which said “It is Mine to avenge, I will repay” but you say vengeance and punishment are not God’s ways? That’s contradicting to say the least.

Besides, I already said I agree with not repaying evil for evil. So what IS the disagreement?

 

[Enxu]

Enxu, we're never going to agree kid, so let's agree to disagree, we see things differently. I pray that whichever one of us is misguided the Lord will open our eyes to his truth. bless you

If you are confronted with something you don’t agree with it would have been wiser for you to examine it like I did and prove it right or wrong with Scriptures. I have proven everything I said with Scriptures but you haven’t and don’t even want to do so. How does one ever find the truth with this kind of mentality? Besides it seems like you would rather excuse evildoers and let them get away scot free because you don’t believe their sins should have consequences, even if the Gospel said the consequence is death. Yeah I guess we have to part ways because you don’t even want to acknowledge that you have believed in falsehood.

 

[Trevor]

This is the actual passage and it says NOTHING about stealing: Matthew 5:40 If you are sued in court and your shirt is taken from you, give your coat, too.

This is about being sued in court and wrongfully incurring a loss. Why are you turning this into a stealing case and make it seem like God teaches Christians to allow others to steal?

I think you'll find Enxu that some translations say steal, some say take and some say sue you for it, but whichever one you use, it still means you lose it and they gain. so lets not ague over semantics, bless you.

 

[Trevor]

You yourself quoted Scriptures which said “It is Mine to avenge, I will repay” but you say vengeance and punishment are not God’s ways? That’s contradicting to say the least.

Besides, I already said I agree with not repaying evil for evil. So what IS the disagreement?

I was talking about what we are called to do Enxu, and we are not called to be God, we are called to obey the King and leave the judging to him.

 

[Enxu]

I think you'll find Enxu that some translations say steal, some say take and some say sue you for it, but whichever one you use, it still means you lose it and they gain. so lets not ague over semantics, bless you.

I have looked through every translation of Matthew 5:40 on biblehub and there are 28 of them, not a single one mentioned stealing. Luke 6:29 said take or demand, and interpreted honestly in light of what Matthew 5:40 is saying means it’s not about stealing. Stop denying this.

 

[Trevor]

If you are confronted with something you don’t agree with it would have been wiser for you to examine it like I did and prove it right or wrong with Scriptures. I have proven everything I said with Scriptures but you haven’t and don’t even want to do so. How does one ever find the truth with this kind of mentality? Besides it seems like you would rather excuse evildoers and let them get away scot free because you don’t believe their sins should have consequences, even if the Gospel said the consequence is death. Yeah I guess we have to part ways because you don’t even want to acknowledge that you have believed in falsehood.

I believe I have backed up what I've said with scripture, but when you mention scripture, you quote it with a proviso, as to what you would imagine Jesus meant when he said it. As you say it's time to part ways, but bless you I pray God will see us both through.

 

[Enxu]

I believe I have backed up what I've said with scripture, but when you mention scripture, you quote it with a proviso, as to what you would imagine Jesus meant when he said it. As you say it's time to part ways, but bless you I pray God will see us both through.

You haven’t backed up anything. In fact the words from the Scriptures I quoted contradicts and proves your posts as wrong without me needing to say a thing but you remain in denial. I believe anyone who is honest can see this but you clearly aren’t being honest. Farewell.

 

[Trevor]

I believe I have backed up what I've said with scripture, but when you mention scripture, you quote it with a proviso, as to what you would imagine Jesus meant when he said it. As you say it's time to part ways, but bless you I pray God will see us both through.

You haven’t backed up anything. In fact the words from the Scriptures I quoted disagreed with you without me saying a thing but you remain in denial. I believe anyone who is honest can see this but you clearly aren’t being honest. Farewell.

 

[Enxu]

Guess my hunches about people are always right. When they can’t proof their beliefs they want to make you look bad, they pretend to care about you but it’s about their own versions of truth and they actually despise you on the inside. it’s a joke such hypocrites consider themselves Christians. Like I said words of Scriptures prove them wrong even if I were to say nothing. But I’ve said my piece.