Israel today

Eric E Stahl · May 25, 2013

spirit1st · May 25, 2013

It still the time of the gentiles ! All nations turn against Israel ! a vast army lands over there to attack and wipe out Israel 1 But God destorys 5/6 of them and reveals Him self to Israel as there messiah 1 He also rules out of Israel for 1000 years 1

Israel will be there no matter how mankind [the devil ] tries to destory them !

I doubt Israel ever gets nuked ! They might shoot at them a nuke ? but it will not hit them !

God made promises to israel forfather He must keep ! Israel is blind as a nation right now to Jesus ! Because , Jesus HIMSELF reveals He messiah to them ! then they wept for missing Him so many years ago ! but many jews have already accepted Him anyway !

But as a nation , Israel has rejected HIM! There Creator and Savior

Eric E Stahl · May 25, 2013

spirit1st said:
It still the time of the gentiles ! All nations turn against Israel ! a vast army lands over there to attack and wipe out Israel 1 But God destorys 5/6 of them and reveals Him self to Israel as there messiah 1 He also rules out of Israel for 1000 years 1

Israel will be there no matter how mankind [the devil ] tries to destory them !

I doubt Israel ever gets nuked ! They might shoot at them a nuke ? but it will not hit them !

God made promises to israel forfather He must keep ! Israel is blind as a nation right now to Jesus ! Because , Jesus HIMSELF reveals He messiah to them ! then they wept for missing Him so many years ago ! but many jews have already accepted Him anyway !

But as a nation , Israel has rejected HIM! There Creator and Savior

Spirit 1st,

I am very pro Israel and am trying to warn them of what is coming.
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Isaiah 4:1-6
1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.
2 In that day shall the branch of the LORD be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.
3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:

(Only holy Jews will survive the tribulation judgment by fire!)

4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.

(God will rescue the holy Jews.)

5 And the LORD will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defence.
6 And there shall be a tabernacle for a shadow in the day time from the heat, and for a place of refuge, and for a covert from storm and from rain.

Zechariah 13:7-9
7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

spirit1st · May 25, 2013

Yes they get lots of missles raining down on them , but not nukes!
God going to keep Israel !

Eric E Stahl · May 25, 2013

spirit1st said:
Yes they get lots of missles raining down on them , but not nukes!
God going to keep Israel !

Puddleglum · May 25, 2013

Eric E Stahl said:
Spirit 1st,

I am very pro Israel and am trying to warn them of what is coming.
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Isaiah 4:1-6
1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.
2 In that day shall the branch of the LORD be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.
3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:

(Only holy Jews will survive the tribulation judgment by fire!)

4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.

(God will rescue the holy Jews.)

5 And the LORD will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defence.
6 And there shall be a tabernacle for a shadow in the day time from the heat, and for a place of refuge, and for a covert from storm and from rain.

Zechariah 13:7-9
7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

The Nation that is called israel today is not Israel at all.
Israel is the People of God ! true Christians are Israel, they serve God.
Who ever does not serve God is not Israel at all, and never were, end of story.
Most christians today are just like the Jews of old and they also say lord lord but are far from him. that's why the Jews failed back then and that's why so called christianity is failing now ! Idolatry !
The sinful people prefer the thief on the cross, to the light of truth and that's why.
Jesus Christ is the only way, race has nothing to do with it.
To be in Christ is all one needs. to add to that is just rubbish.

farout · May 26, 2013

Puddleglum said:
The Nation that is called israel today is not Israel at all.
Israel is the People of God ! true Christians are Israel, they serve God.
Who ever does not serve God is not Israel at all, and never were, end of story.
Most christians today are just like the Jews of old and they also say lord lord but are far from him. that's why the Jews failed back then and that's why so called christianity is failing now ! Idolatry !
The sinful people prefer the thief on the cross, to the light of truth and that's why.
Jesus Christ is the only way, race has nothing to do with it.
To be in Christ is all one needs. to add to that is just rubbish.

I do not agree with how you that Christians are the true Israel. Where is your proof, please?

farout.

farout · May 26, 2013

Eric E Stahl said:
Spirit 1st,

I am very pro Israel and am trying to warn them of what is coming.
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Isaiah 4:1-6
1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.
2 In that day shall the branch of the LORD be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.
3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:

(Only holy Jews will survive the tribulation judgment by fire!)

4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.

(God will rescue the holy Jews.)

5 And the LORD will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defence.
6 And there shall be a tabernacle for a shadow in the day time from the heat, and for a place of refuge, and for a covert from storm and from rain.

Zechariah 13:7-9
7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

Eric: an amen from farout!

Puddleglum · May 28, 2013

farout said:
I do not agree with how you that Christians are the true Israel. Where is your proof, please?

farout.

What are the Jews ? antichrist! can't you see that ! as is any foolish person.
They reject Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!
Why idolise a people.
The Jews come back to Christ in the end and only at the end, when they wake up to how stupid they were worshiping the Golden Calf etc.
The Jews have nothing to offer ? that you think Jesus cant !!!!!!
Stop idolising people, they will only disapoint !
What are Christians then ?
Israel means the People of God, they do the will of God and have always done so.
A Israel is not a race and never were and never will be.
Are we all to become known by an other name pushing out the name of Christ some how ???????
Jacob was called Israel for a reason you know. and if we Christians do not abide in that what are we. something other ? you think.
Why don't you Come to Christ and have faith in him only. it's the Spirit one needs, not a people.

farout · May 29, 2013

Puddleglum said:
What are the Jews ? antichrist! can't you see that ! as is any foolish person.
They reject Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!
Why idolise a people.
The Jews come back to Christ in the end and only at the end, when they wake up to how stupid they were worshiping the Golden Calf etc.
The Jews have nothing to offer ? that you think Jesus cant !!!!!!
Stop idolising people, they will only disapoint !
What are Christians then ?
Israel means the People of God, they do the will of God and have always done so.
A Israel is not a race and never were and never will be.
Are we all to become known by an other name pushing out the name of Christ some how ???????
Jacob was called Israel for a reason you know. and if we Christians do not abide in that what are we. something other ? you think.
Why don't you Come to Christ and have faith in him only. it's the Spirit one needs, not a people.

Puddle: you seem to have some very strong feelings about the people who live in Israel today. How does that fit in with the command Jesus gave us, to love our neighbor as ourself ? How does John 13:34,35 fit into your actions and words ? From my view point you are pretty far off the Mark,. How do you justify your words?

farout

spirit1st · May 29, 2013

The 12 Tribes make up Israel 1 And yes it the same people !
God done a GREAT and Mighty Miracles bring these people back to there lands! Listen , Jesus is going to keep them and protect them ! And rules out of OLD JERUSALEM for 1000 years!
They sre going to have to suffer a lot !
satan using nations to try to wipe them off the map ! But GOD not going to ever allow that !

SpiritLedEd · May 29, 2013

Puddleglum said:
What are the Jews ? antichrist! can't you see that ! as is any foolish person.
They reject Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!
Why idolise a people.
The Jews come back to Christ in the end and only at the end, when they wake up to how stupid they were worshiping the Golden Calf etc.
The Jews have nothing to offer ? that you think Jesus cant !!!!!!

The Jewish people at large have never hated Jesus. Not hearing or understanding His message does not automatically make them His enemies; Jesus' enemies are those who hear the message, understand it and still refuse to accept it. You need to stop painting all Jews with the same brush.

SLE

Puddleglum · May 30, 2013

farout said:
Puddle: you seem to have some very strong feelings about the people who live in Israel today. How does that fit in with the command Jesus gave us, to love our neighbor as ourself ? How does John 13:34,35 fit into your actions and words ? From my view point you are pretty far off the Mark,. How do you justify your words?

farout

If you understand the OT then you could understand.
There is Israel and the others are not. that is the dogs ?
We have Holy Moses as our guide in the OT and the other have only Idols like the golden calf, if one understands this in history you are on your way to understanding.
The Jews as the west put it, is just a blanket term with no depth and just full of ignorance.
The Jews as a hole have been under attack from the start but the problem is with sin and this is why they have failed and will always fail.
There is no such thing as the Jews today as all are as one. there is nether jew or gentile, greek etc. all are the same under Christ, end of story.
If we understand what idolatry truly is and come honestly to be in Christ you can not be lead astray.
There is nothing out there ! come to Christ ! and you say i have mist the mark ?
If I see people crucifying the Lord, do i just walk away.

Puddleglum · May 30, 2013

SpiritLedEd said:
The Jewish people at large have never hated Jesus. Not hearing or understanding His message does not automatically make them His enemies; Jesus' enemies are those who hear the message, understand it and still refuse to accept it. You need to stop painting all Jews with the same brush.

SLE

Only Israel understands, not always the so called Jew.
Orthodox Jews are worthy of devotion but most of the others are far from God, it's that sad. so much for the State they call israel today.
And you think i am being negative ? no not at all, as i am one with a Hebrew sir name..... stop Idolising a people as a Christian should know who leads his people. Come back to Christ i say, because there is nothing out their.
If one looks to anything other than Christ, you will be wrong. Idolitry is a sin.

Puddleglum · May 30, 2013

spirit1st said:
The 12 Tribes make up Israel 1 And yes it the same people !
God done a GREAT and Mighty Miracles bring these people back to there lands! Listen , Jesus is going to keep them and protect them ! And rules out of OLD JERUSALEM for 1000 years!
They sre going to have to suffer a lot !
satan using nations to try to wipe them off the map ! But GOD not going to ever allow that !

God wiped them off the Map 2000 years ago bro.
The Sin that lost them the Land ? is that all forgiven now even if they sill sin agains God ? think about that.
It's Israel that comes back and that is true Christianity ! and all people will be united under Christ. but good old mate Satan comes first to rule the misslead.

spirit1st · May 30, 2013

Mar_12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Rev_7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
Rev_21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

Gen_32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

Mat_19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Gen_12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
Gen_12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Rom_11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom_11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Jas_1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

Rev_21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

GOd never going to forsake Israel !
God made Promises to there fore Fathers HE must kept ! He started off with Israel turned to the gentiles and Soon turns back to Israel 1

Luk_21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

They became a Nation again on may 14 1948 ! This in it self was a Great and Powerful Miracle !

Eric E Stahl · May 30, 2013

spirit1st · May 30, 2013

This is in the great tribulation 1

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

We know This has already taken place Also !
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

The iwo wittinesses have not come yet of course! but Our LORD did already die on the Cross around 2000 years ago !

revelation tells both future and past revealed 1 that why we need the Holy ghost to reveal it all to us !

Puddleglum · May 31, 2013

spirit1st said:
Mar_12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Rev_7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
Rev_21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

Gen_32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

Mat_19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Gen_12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
Gen_12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Rom_11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom_11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Jas_1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

Rev_21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

GOd never going to forsake Israel !
God made Promises to there fore Fathers HE must kept ! He started off with Israel turned to the gentiles and Soon turns back to Israel 1

Luk_21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

They became a Nation again on may 14 1948 ! This in it self was a Great and Powerful Miracle !

So god drops the Christians. as Jesus was wrong ?
So god goes back to them who reject Jesus, so jesus must of been wrong ?
Adolf Hitler brought the jews back to the state and if it was not for him they would not of had it now. ?
Somthing is wrong. the so called Zionist act just like Nazi's today.
The Devil is one smart cookie and one can see his works in his actions pushing people around and acting like a mongrel dog standing over others.

Eric E Stahl · May 31, 2013

Puddleglum said:
So god drops the Christians. as Jesus was wrong ?
So god goes back to them who reject Jesus, so jesus must of been wrong ?
Adolf Hitler brought the jews back to the state and if it was not for him they would not of had it now. ?
Somthing is wrong. the so called Zionist act just like Nazi's today.
The Devil is one smart cookie and one can see his works in his actions pushing people around and acting like a mongrel dog standing over others.

After the judgment of Jacob's trouble we call the tribulation period, over 5,000,000 Jews will accept Jesus.

Zechariah 13:7-9
7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

Speak softly concerning the Jewish people or you will offend Jesus.

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