Jesus narrowed down His coming to….

[GodB4Us]

Paul also said, should I come to you in the spirit of meekness, or with the rod? Sometimes those who refuse correction need the rod when kindness has failed.

Either way is done by addressing scripture. You do this with others in other topics but for this topic, you seem to ran out of patience really quick and just attacked the poster.

That is because you have been deceived by the false doctrines of other carnally minded men.

Still yet to be proven by you with the Lord causing the increase..

Nowhere in scripture is Jesus warning believers about a pre great tribulation rapture. =false doctrine

What about here in Luke 12:40-49 and the consequences for not abiding in Him in verse 6 of John 15:1-8 ?

What about verse 13 in 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 ascertaining a certain day when God will judge His House in 1 Peter 4:17 ?

How about how He assured those whom He was exhorting in Revelation 3:7-11 so as to be let from the hour of temptation that shall try all upon the earth whil warning those in Revelation 2:18-25 that if they did not depart from iniquity, they will be cast into the bed of the coming great tribulation?

Abiding in Christ is abiding in His words, which are Truth. Speaking false doctrine is not abiding in Him.

Wow, it just gets more bazaar. Where do you get this stuff from? Don’t you know unrighteousness shall not inherit the Kingdom?

Explain Matthew 5:19 then for how any one can break the least of His commandment and yet still be called the least in the kingdom of Heaven?

Explain how those who became former believers that would deny Him for why He would deny them but yet He would still abide in them in verse 13 of 2 Timothy 2:11-13?

Explain why even former believers and not just carnal saints are called to depart from iniquity and when they do, they shall be received as vessels unto honor in His House but those who do not become vessels unto dishonor as castaways but still in His House as vessels of wood & earth see 2 Timothy 2:18-21. The point of reference is why are the vessels unto dishonor still in His House when obviously they are the ones that did not depart from iniquity? It is because Jesus will finish His work even in those left behind as the wood stubble hay will b burned off of that foundation hence the physical bodies dies, but their spirit will be with the Lord in Heaven awaiting for their resurrection AFTER the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House, vessels of wood & earth BUT still in His House.

So if the Lord has not given you pause, then I reckon you are not open to discussion in explaining those references away for why God is judging His House first at the rapture event which is before the great tribulation for why any saved believer and former believer would be cast into for not abiding in Him and His words. THAT is why Jesus is warning believers and the churches to be ready or else.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

Besides, a lot of nations didn't even exist until the end of WWII, Israel itself became a nation in 1948, or you can say that its real independence was marked by the victory of the six-day war in 1967.

And the gospel has been preached nonstop in Israel since 1948.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

Either way is done by addressing scripture.

You are trying to misrepresent what is written in scripture, because you are trying to promote a false doctrine

You do this with others in other topics but for this topic, you seem to ran out of patience really quick and just attacked the poster.

I run out of patience when people refuse to accept the Truth in God’s in order to push a false doctrine. I attack the false doctrine, because it is a lie. To be blunt, those who spread lies are liars.

What about here in Luke 12:40-49

They are cut in half and their portion is with unbelievers. That is not salvation

46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

and the consequences for not abiding in Him in verse 6 of John 15:1-8 ?

They are burned, and not saved…
“If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned”

What about verse 13 in 1 Corinthians 3:10-17

17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy;

How about how He assured those whom He was exhorting in Revelation 3:7-11 so as to be let from the hour of temptation that shall try all upon the earth whil warning those in Revelation 2:18-25 that if they did not depart from iniquity, they will be cast into the bed of the coming great tribulation?

Tribulation comes upon Every soul that does evil….
Romans 2:9
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

Explain Matthew 5:19 then for how any one can break the least of His commandment and yet still be called the least in the kingdom of Heaven?

Next verse says….20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Explain how those who became former believers that would deny Him for why He would deny them but yet He would still abide in them in verse 13 of 2 Timothy 2:11-13?

12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:”
Next verse says He cannot deny himself, it does not contradict verse 12

Explain why even former believers and not just carnal saints are called to depart from iniquity and when they do, they shall be received as vessels unto honor in His House but those who do not become vessels unto dishonor as castaways but still in His House as vessels of wood & earth see 2 Timothy 2:18-21.

The vessels of honor are purged of iniquity…
20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.”

The vessels of dishonor are vessels of wrath…..

Romans 9:21-22

King James Version

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21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

The point of reference is why are the vessels unto dishonor still in His House when obviously they are the ones that did not depart from iniquity?

Jesus said a servant of sin abides not in the house forever.

It is because Jesus will finish His work even in those left behind

There are no saints left behind, that false doctrine.

God is judging His House first at the rapture event which is before the great tribulation

Again false doctrine, the word of God clearly states the dead in Christ rise first, and that is not until the last day, same with the judgment of Gods saints

for why any former believer would be cast into for not abiding in Him and His words.

Because Jesus said so.

 

[GodB4Us]

You are trying to misrepresent what is written in scripture, because you are trying to promote a false doctrine

I run out of patience when people refuse to accept the Truth in God’s in order to push a false doctrine. I attack the false doctrine, because it is a lie. To be blunt, those who spread lies are liars.

Well at least now you are addressing the scriptures instead of just dismissing it outright without any rightly dividing the word of truth to prove me wrong.

They are cut in half and their portion is with unbelievers. That is not salvation

46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

Cut asunder is not cut in half but cut from the vine. Yet regardless of that truth, He still calls them servants for why they are getting stripes per the knowledge they had for not being ready and lesser stripes for the lack of knowledge they had for not being ready, but stripes these "servants" will get.

Luke 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Strange how He is not asking the more from unbelievers but from believers found not ready.

Look at the prophesy for the New Covenant in Psalms 89 about stripes.

Psalm 89:26 He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.
27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.
28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.
29 His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.

30 If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;
31 If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;
32 Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.

33 Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail.
34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.
37 It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.

Look at the danger of stripes for not running that race. * Scourging is a whipping BTW

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

So when does this happen? At the rapture event for why many saved believers will find themselves left behind for being in iniquity still.

Think of it as excommunication from the Marriage Supper in Heaven. This is where the vessels unto dishonor comes from that are still in His House as they are the castaways which occurs at the rapture event BEFORE the great tribulation.

Jesus will finish His work even in those left behind as disqualified i.e. reprobates. If we acknowledge what excommunication is supposed to do, the see why those left behind are done for that purpose as well.

1 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

I'll stop here and allow you to digest that for a proper response of rightly dividing the word of truth in that regard but this is why I believe the rapture event is before the great tribulation for when God judges His House first as the Bridegroom.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

Well at least now you are addressing the scriptures instead of just dismissing it outright without any rightly dividing the word of truth to prove me wrong.

Cut asunder is not cut in half but cut from the vine. Yet regardless of that truth, He still calls them servants for why they are getting stripes per the knowledge they had for not being ready and lesser stripes for the lack of knowledge they had for not being ready, but stripes these "servants" will get.

Luke 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Strange how He is not asking the more from unbelievers but from believers found not ready.

Look at the prophesy for the New Covenant in Psalms 89 about stripes.

Psalm 89:26 He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.
27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.
28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.
29 His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.

30 If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;
31 If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;
32 Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.

33 Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail.
34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.
37 It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.

Look at the danger of stripes for not running that race. * Scourging is a whipping BTW

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

So when does this happen? At the rapture event for why many saved believers will find themselves left behind for being in iniquity still.

Think of it as excommunication from the Marriage Supper in Heaven. This is where the vessels unto dishonor comes from that are still in His House as they are the castaways which occurs at the rapture event BEFORE the great tribulation.

Jesus will finish His work even in those left behind as disqualified i.e. reprobates. If we acknowledge what excommunication is supposed to do, the see why those left behind are done for that purpose as well.

1 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

I'll stop here and allow you to digest that for a proper response of rightly dividing the word of truth in that regard but this is why I believe the rapture event is before the great tribulation for when God judges His House first as the Bridegroom.

All you are doing is posting a bunch of scripture which you do not understand, and then you put your own false doctrine spin on it.

Sorry to tell you but that is not rightly dividing the word of Truth. That is called handling the word of God deceitfully in order to push a false doctrine, like a 7 year trib and a pre- trib rapture.

The false doctrine you are now promoting is a sin all you want and still be saved doctrine. You are saying unbelievers are also going to be saved, which is the false doctrine of Universlism.

And by the way, cut asunder does mean cut in half, or cut in two pieces. Maybe you should also try looking up the meanings of words as well.

I’m done trying to reason with you, you have been warned several times now for spreading these false doctrines. If you do not stop you will not like the outcome.

 

[GodB4Us]

All you are doing is posting a bunch of scripture which you do not understand, and then you put your own false doctrine spin on it.

Sorry to tell you but that is not rightly dividing the word of Truth. That is called handling the word of God deceitfully in order to push a false doctrine, like a 7 year trib and a pre- trib rapture.

The false doctrine you are now promoting is a sin all you want and still be saved doctrine. You are saying unbelievers are also going to be saved, which is the false doctrine of Universlism.

And by the way, cut asunder does mean cut in half, or cut in two pieces. Maybe you should also try looking up the meanings of words as well.

I’m done trying to reason with you, you have been warned several times now for spreading these false doctrines. If you do not stop you will not like the outcome.

Well, I am sorry to tell you that is not the proper way of correcting anyone by scripture if YOU do not rightly divide the word of truth of the scriptures given of what you claim I was not doing that in relations to those scripture.

So tell me what those scriptures are saying then and why it cannot be applied to what I say it is inferring towards.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

Well, I am sorry to tell you that is not the proper way of correcting anyone by scripture .

Here’s the problem, you cannot be corrected by the words of God, because you reject all the words of God that go against your false doctrine.

That false doctrine has blinded you from seeing the Truth.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

And the gospel has been preached nonstop in Israel since 1948.

It was the Jesus movement in the 60s that evangelized a lot of Jews to Jesus in America, then some of them brought the gospel to Israel. Generally it isn’t welcomed widely as expected, to a lot of Jewish people, their only impression of Christianity is Roman Catholic, they even call it Hitler’s religion. They’ve never known the real Jesus and the real gospel until they have the opportunity to get it on the Internet.