Judging

[Christ4Ever]

A request to move some postings from another thread to this titled thread was made and agreed with. The topic of this thread has started to deviate from the others original thread question and a new thread would allow for further discussion on this subject.
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[KingJ]

A true follower does not judge. Why judge another for being a sinner when you are also?

A true follower shows the way, the truth, and the life (Jesus) to the "Sick" (Sinners) for the healthy (Self Righteous) don't need a doctor.

1. A true follower judges all things 1 Cor 2:15.

2. A true follower always goes to doctors. They don't tempt God Luke 4:12.

3. Then you are not sounding anything like Jesus in your post # 6.

 

[True Disciple]

1. A true follower judges all things 1 Cor 2:15.

2. A true follower always goes to doctors. They don't tempt God Luke 4:12.

3. Then you are not sounding anything like Jesus in your post # 6.

I hate to have to have to reprimand you publicly but this is good for @Janet Lee to witness... Read Matthew 7:1-6, Jesus says to NOT JUDGE OTHERS! But @KingJ on the otherhand brings up 1 Corinthians 2:15 in order to dispute what Jesus says in Matthew 7:1-6 Judging things and judging people are two different things, people are not THINGS! Everything external, outside of who and what we are is a thing. I will not judge KingJ and label him a false christian but him being misguided can easily be assessed. The misguided don't know what they're doing, you don't use Paul in Corinthians to contradict Jesus; Paul is the student and Jesus is the teacher and students are not greater than the teacher. Janet, learn to use Jesus's teaching to validate other teachings found throught the Bible, not the other way around.

"A true follower always goes to doctors. They don't tempt God Luke 4:12." Janet, this scripture is also found in Matthew 4; Satan tempted Jesus to commit an act that would have severely hurt him, but you do not test God, who is Life. There are Natural Laws & Universal Laws that men obey (Dispite who's son he was, Jesus was still a man on Earth) For him to Jump of the highest peak would be testing God, who is life; so it would be a man testing life. Don't test life. Yes KingJ, if you're physically ill, go see a doctor; but Jesus wasn't teaching in a physical sense at this moment was he? "A true follower shows the way, the truth, and the life (Jesus) to the "Sick" (Sinners) for the healthy (Self Righteous) don't need a doctor." Sinners know they're afflicted, while the self-righteous believe that they already live the correct way to live and see no reason to change. Sit down and read Matthew 9: 9-13 from a spiritual sense, not a physical sense.

"Then you are not sounding anything like Jesus in your post # 6" Read Matthew 10:8 then get back to me. As a person lives in the way, the truth, and the life the recieve a lot, but their outlet should be as wide as their inlet. Jesus say's "Give as freely as you've received" Give Jesus's teachings as freely as we've recieved them. KingJ, you say I sound nothing like Jesus yet I've quoted him everytime, so really you don't know Jesus like you think you do. In the hood they say "Real Recognise Real" A true follower can recognise another true follower and you look unfamiliar. I gave Janet nothing but Jesus and here you are "Correcting" me. That's should scare you.

 

[KingJ]

1. I hate to have to have to reprimand you publicly but this is good for @Janet Lee to witness... Read Matthew 7:1-6, Jesus says to NOT JUDGE OTHERS! But @KingJ on the otherhand brings up 1 Corinthians 2:15 in order to dispute what Jesus says in Matthew 7:1-6 Judging things and judging people are two different things, people are not THINGS! Everything external, outside of who and what we are is a thing. I will not judge KingJ and label him a false christian but him being misguided can easily be assessed. The misguided don't know what they're doing, you don't use Paul in Corinthians to contradict Jesus; Paul is the student and Jesus is the teacher and students are not greater than the teacher. Janet, learn to use Jesus's teaching to validate other teachings found throught the Bible, not the other way around.

2. "A true follower always goes to doctors. They don't tempt God Luke 4:12." Janet, this scripture is also found in Matthew 4; Satan tempted Jesus to commit an act that would have severely hurt him, but you do not test God, who is Life. There are Natural Laws & Universal Laws that men obey (Dispite who's son he was, Jesus was still a man on Earth) For him to Jump of the highest peak would be testing God, who is life; so it would be a man testing life. Don't test life. Yes KingJ, if you're physically ill, go see a doctor; but Jesus wasn't teaching in a physical sense at this moment was he? "A true follower shows the way, the truth, and the life (Jesus) to the "Sick" (Sinners) for the healthy (Self Righteous) don't need a doctor." Sinners know they're afflicted, while the self-righteous believe that they already live the correct way to live and see no reason to change. Sit down and read Matthew 9: 9-13 from a spiritual sense, not a physical sense.

3. "Then you are not sounding anything like Jesus in your post # 6" Read Matthew 10:8 then get back to me. As a person lives in the way, the truth, and the life the recieve a lot, but their outlet should be as wide as their inlet. Jesus say's "Give as freely as you've received" Give Jesus's teachings as freely as we've recieved them. KingJ, you say I sound nothing like Jesus yet I've quoted him everytime, so really you don't know Jesus like you think you do. In the hood they say "Real Recognise Real" A true follower can recognise another true follower and you look unfamiliar. I gave Janet nothing but Jesus and here you are "Correcting" me. That's should scare you.

Let us both try tone it down my friend. Apologize to Waggles for your post # 6 too . I recall when I first started on these types of forums. I was mocking, correcting and rebuking everyone . It is good and bad. Good to be confident in what you believe. Bad because we don't think very far if our first assumption is that a person who frequents a Christian forum is an enemy of Christ.

1. There is no short discussion on judging. It will definitely hijack this thread. In the context you used it I believe you are 100% in error. If you want to call me out and discuss it properly please open a new thread and copy / paste these posts.

2. I am not sure what you are trying to say. The subject of healing has very mixed views among many Christians. The way I see it is tempting God is tempting God. We must not tempt God.

3. What scares me is how easy it is to be ugly on the internet. I should not have phrased my line the way I did. It sounded like I am 'superior' even though I was right to raise it.

 

[True Disciple]

Let us both try tone it down my friend. Apologize to Waggles for your post # 6 too . I recall when I first started on these types of forums. I was mocking, correcting and rebuking everyone . It is good and bad. Good to be confident in what you believe. Bad because we don't think very far if our first assumption is that a person who frequents a Christian forum is an enemy of Christ.

First off, I'm not apologizing to anyone for anything, if @Waggles wrote 400 words of nothing (having no substance to help Janet) then I'm going to call it out just like you called me out. Who have I mocked? Who have I corrected? Who have I rebuked? If you find my reply to Waggles as a mock, correction, or rebuke then you need to assess your foundational apporach to when it comes to assessing replies.

1. There is no short discussion on judging. It will definitely hijack this thread. In the context you used it I believe you are 100% in error. If you want to call me out and discuss it properly please open a new thread and copy / paste these posts.

Here's a quote, "Everything should be made as simple as possible and not one bit simpler." Here's another, "If you can't explain it to a six year old, you don't understand it your self." Here's another, "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." Here's another, "An intelligent fool can make thing's bigger and more complex, but it takes a touch of genius and courage to move in the opposite direction. Why did I share these quotes with you? I hope that it'll get through your skull that the discussion on Judging is indeed a short discussion.
The Bible talks about "Judging" in many instances but Jesus simplified every approach to life through his teachings. Yet, here you are using those other sources found throughout the Bible as a foundational approach to Jesus's teaching on judging when it's suppose to be the other way around. You don't fully understand any teaching on Judging and complicate it, then you say I am in 100% complete error in my translation on judging 1 Corinthians 2:15 has it's place but you don't understand it's place. You don't judge people, no matter who they are or what they've done. You don't know where they come from or where they've been to be who they are. You are not omnipotent, omniscient, or omnipresent so how flawed will your judgments be? A flawed approach is not a solid approach. 1Timothy 6:20 "Timothy, guard what God has entrusted to you. Avoid godless, foolish discussions with those who oppose you with their so-called knowledge." I don't need to discuss anything else with you. You're just another sheep/drone of the teachers of religious law that Jesus criticized in Matthew 23. No matter what I say to you, it will fall on deaf ears.

2. I am not sure what you are trying to say. The subject of healing has very mixed views among many Christians. The way I see it is tempting God is tempting God. We must not tempt God.

I know you don't understand what I'm saying, you're deaf and don't want to hear or understand. God is the essence of life, life is what comes from the mouth of God (Matthew 4:4) So, "Don't tempt God" is "Don't tempt Life". If Jesus had jumped off, in Matthew 4:5-7, Jesus would have been tempting life. So if someone is very ill, they shouldn't tempt life by not going to the Doctor who may know how to heal them. But when I said, "A true follower shows the way, the truth, and the life (Jesus) to the "Sick" (Sinners) for the healthy (Self Righteous) don't need a doctor." to Janet, I was refering to Matthew 9:9-13 and because you don't have understanding you misinterpreted what I was saying and where I was coming from. Lastly, be careful who you judge, you might be testing God

3. What scares me is how easy it is to be ugly on the internet. I should not have phrased my line the way I did. It sounded like I am 'superior' even though I was right to raise it.

You were right to "raise it", whatever that means. From your replies, you don't have Christ understanding or approach to anything especially since you rely on the teaching of everyone else within the Bible besides the one they all point to (Jesus) So I understand the fact that you'd disagree with what I said and "raise it". You really shouldn't be trying to teach "Christianity" to anyone. You can change that if you wipe your mind of everything you think you know about Christianity and restart with a better foundation by reading the first four books of the New Testament. Or you can not and continue going on thinking you're not on the broad path. I've never heard of thousands of "Christians" being able to walk the narrow path together If you can understand the first four books of the New Testament, you'll be able to know what the narrow path really is and finally be able to understand the Bible the way Christ would want you to.

Class Dismissed
True Disciple
Peace

 

[KingJ]

First off, I'm not apologizing to anyone for anything, if @Waggles wrote 400 words of nothing (having no substance to help Janet) then I'm going to call it out just like you called me out. Who have I mocked? Who have I corrected? Who have I rebuked? If you find my reply to Waggles as a mock, correction, or rebuke then you need to assess your foundational apporach to when it comes to assessing replies.

We just need to look at how Jesus spoke to the devil to know how to speak to others. Jesus showed the devil respect. Gave him the time of day on not one but three occasions. Did not insult. Did not mock. Did not condemn. Did not say that he spoke 100 words of rubbish. He listened to the devil and politely corrected him.

Here's a quote, "Everything should be made as simple as possible and not one bit simpler." Here's another, "If you can't explain it to a six year old, you don't understand it your self." Here's another, "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." Here's another, "An intelligent fool can make thing's bigger and more complex, but it takes a touch of genius and courage to move in the opposite direction. Why did I share these quotes with you? I hope that it'll get through your skull that the discussion on Judging is indeed a short discussion.

There are elementary principles and doctrines of Christ that perhaps a six year old could grasp. But judging is not one of them. For the right amount of candy a six year old will agree with me.

The Bible talks about "Judging" in many instances but Jesus simplified every approach to life through his teachings. Yet, here you are using those other sources found throughout the Bible as a foundational approach to Jesus's teaching on judging when it's suppose to be the other way around. You don't fully understand any teaching on Judging and complicate it, then you say I am in 100% complete error in my translation on judging 1 Corinthians 2:15 has it's place but you don't understand it's place.

You are assuming too much. Open a thread and lets have a proper discussion.

You don't judge people, no matter who they are or what they've done. You don't know where they come from or where they've been to be who they are. You are not omnipotent, omniscient, or omnipresent so how flawed will your judgments be? A flawed approach is not a solid approach. 1Timothy 6:20 "Timothy, guard what God has entrusted to you. Avoid godless, foolish discussions with those who oppose you with their so-called knowledge." I don't need to discuss anything else with you. You're just another sheep/drone of the teachers of religious law that Jesus criticized in Matthew 23. No matter what I say to you, it will fall on deaf ears.

I find you espousing ''don't judge others'' quite ironic right now.

I know you don't understand what I'm saying, you're deaf and don't want to hear or understand. God is the essence of life, life is what comes from the mouth of God (Matthew 4:4) So, "Don't tempt God" is "Don't tempt Life". If Jesus had jumped off, in Matthew 4:5-7, Jesus would have been tempting life. So if someone is very ill, they shouldn't tempt life by not going to the Doctor who may know how to heal them. But when I said, "A true follower shows the way, the truth, and the life (Jesus) to the "Sick" (Sinners) for the healthy (Self Righteous) don't need a doctor." to Janet, I was refering to Matthew 9:9-13 and because you don't have understanding you misinterpreted what I was saying and where I was coming from. Lastly, be careful who you judge, you might be testing God

Something we agree on. I overlooked your 'sinners' and ' self righteous'.

You were right to "raise it", whatever that means. From your replies, you don't have Christ understanding or approach to anything especially since you rely on the teaching of everyone else within the Bible besides the one they all point to (Jesus).

2 Tim 3:16

So I understand the fact that you'd disagree with what I said and "raise it". You really shouldn't be trying to teach "Christianity" to anyone. You can change that if you wipe your mind of everything you think you know about Christianity and restart with a better foundation by reading the first four books of the New Testament. Or you can not and continue going on thinking you're not on the broad path. I've never heard of thousands of "Christians" being able to walk the narrow path together If you can understand the first four books of the New Testament, you'll be able to know what the narrow path really is and finally be able to understand the Bible the way Christ would want you to.

Wow. I am on the road to hell because I believe you miss-interpret judging and are rude. That is very deep discernment.

Class Dismissed
True Disciple
Peace

Arrogance and pride is synonymous with satanism not Christianity Matt 5:5.

 

[True Disciple]

Thanks @Christ4Ever

Okay @KingJ, you have the floor to express your complex interpretation of "Judging". Teach us like you're teaching it to a "New Convert"...

 

[KingJ]

Thanks @Christ4Ever

Okay @KingJ, you have the floor to express your complex interpretation of "Judging". Teach us like you're teaching it to a "New Convert"...

It is easy to teach judging to a new convert. I would just ask them how they came to their decision to accept Jesus.

Making a judgement call involves judging. They just made a judgment call that Jesus is worthy of their servitude and life's sacrifice. Judging is defined as ''forming an opinion or conclusion about''.

The poor word 'judging' has received such a bad rap in recent times. It is used by the GLBT movement in a manner that Jesus and Paul never wanted. You quoted it as they do which is why I raised it with you. We actually do need to look properly at Jesus's phrase and use of the word.

Two instances from Jesus stand out for me. 1. He literally says do not judge others in Matt 7. 2. He rescues the prostitute from being stoned to death. Saying whoever is without sin must cast the first stone. These two are used completely out of context today.

1. We need to read the verses after Matt 7:1 to grasp context. Matt 7:2-3 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

Do you not see that Jesus is talking about severity of sin, appropriate and fair punishment for a sin and then hypocrisy? Is Jesus proposing we who are not murderers not send a murderer to prison? Or is Jesus proposing that a murderer who sends a murderer to prison must be prepared to go to prison too / a murderer needs to send himself to prison before a thief? The goal of the GLBT in quoting this verse is that we just leave them be in their sin. Now that is fine until they profess to be Christians. Paul is clear that we judge only those inside 1 Cor 5:12. If you or I became a Muslim and we mocked the name of Muhammed would we be able to say to fellow Muslims 'don't judge us'. It is because Christianity is all about grace that it is taken advantage of and completely abused. If someone does not want to be judged according to the bible, they must not claim to be followers of the bible. A Christian opens themselves up to judgment according to scripture. A Christian welcomes this judgment. A Christian loves this judgment. Because a Christian wants to live their lives to please God and not be find doing things He hates when He comes for us. Christianity is synonymous with harsh self judgment.

2. Then, why did Jesus rescue the prostitute? Jesus preached and agreed with OT law for many years that he was teaching in the synagogues prior to His decision here. What changed in Jesus? I believe nothing changed, merely that the path to repentance having literal meaning was materializing. See those in the OT always had Psalm 51:17. But yet they would still follow through with the full curse of the law. The cross today is the reason we are not under the curse of the law. IE Jesus was now not only focused on defying religiosity but He also saw a contrite and broken heart in the prostitute. Jesus knew she hated the evil she did. Jesus knew that she would accept Him. We cannot know what Jesus knew. We are not God. But we do know that she never returned to her sin as He asked of her. That is evidence of her being a changed person. She made a judgment call to follow Jesus and hate her sin. If she never chose to not sin, she would be in hell.

Now Paul is crystal clear on judging and these scriptures from him are pretty self explanatory. I just want to ensure that you agree with 2 Tim 3:16. You made a concerning statement that the gospels > other scripture. That statement warrants its own thread .

1 Cor 6:2-3 Or do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!

1 Cor 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?

1 Cor 2:15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments,

1 Cor 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. (My favorite)

Phil 2:12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.

 

[True Disciple]

It is easy to teach judging to a new convert. I would just ask them how they came to their decision to accept Jesus.

Making a judgement call involves judging. They just made a judgment call that Jesus is worthy of their servitude and life's sacrifice. Judging is defined as ''forming an opinion or conclusion about''.

Bingo!

Paul in 1 Corinthians 2:15 says Judge the elements of the present, not a person's character. A true disciple of Christ is mastering responding to Life. They assess/judge situations for the best way to overcome them, with all elements within the situation even people, but the person isn’t judged, only what they're bringing to the situation. Uncontrolled judgments of the mind filter the entire truth, giving only a tiny portion of it, and we’re to experience the entire truth. How can we pass a test if we can’t see and assess/judge the entire problem? Jesus’s teaching, when viewed from the spiritual perception grants clarity. True disciples see clearly without the mind filtering the life experience, allowing them to experience everything through all senses, allowing them to experience truth and life, and make the best decision for a situation.

The poor word 'judging' has received such a bad rap in recent times. It is used by the GLBT movement in a manner that Jesus and Paul never wanted. You quoted it as they do which is why I raised it with you. We actually do need to look properly at Jesus's phrase and use of the word.

Two instances from Jesus stand out for me. 1. He literally says do not judge others in Matt 7. 2. He rescues the prostitute from being stoned to death. Saying whoever is without sin must cast the first stone. These two are used completely out of context today.

1. We need to read the verses after Matt 7:1 to grasp context. Matt 7:2-3 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

Do you not see that Jesus is talking about severity of sin, appropriate and fair punishment for a sin and then hypocrisy? Is Jesus proposing we who are not murderers not send a murderer to prison? Or is Jesus proposing that a murderer who sends a murderer to prison must be prepared to go to prison too / a murderer needs to send himself to prison before a thief? The goal of the GLBT in quoting this verse is that we just leave them be in their sin. Now that is fine until they profess to be Christians. Paul is clear that we judge only those inside 1 Cor 5:12. If you or I became a Muslim and we mocked the name of Muhammed would we be able to say to fellow Muslims 'don't judge us'. It is because Christianity is all about grace that it is taken advantage of and completely abused. If someone does not want to be judged according to the bible, they must not claim to be followers of the bible. A Christian opens themselves up to judgment according to scripture. A Christian welcomes this judgment. A Christian loves this judgment. Because a Christian wants to live their lives to please God and not be find doing things He hates when He comes for us. Christianity is synonymous with harsh self judgment.

"Do you not see that Jesus is talking about severity of sin, appropriate and fair punishment for a sin and then hypocrisy?"
No, I do not. Nothing about Matthew 7:1-6 even implies severity of sin, or appropriate and fair punishment of sin... at all... But let's just agree to disagree, you teach your disciples your way and I'll teach mine my way.

Judging to condemn and judging to assess are two different elements that you're trying combine to make one. Judging to condemn has a "Bad Rap" that it rightfully should because a direct contradiction to Jesus's teaching. Jesus's teaching on Judging is about Judging to condemn and Pauls teaching is about judging to assess/apraise. Judging to assess a murderer, putting him in jail to keep him from killing again, protecting life, is totally different from judging to persecute or to condemn to death row! [Matthew 9:13] Only God has the right to persecute or condemn anyone. What you fail to realize about God and the LGBT group is the gender of God... What is God's gender? God has no body, so God has no gender, so our extension of God, our spirit soul has no gender either, we are spirits operating a body in this physical world. The LGBT are struggling to accept the fact that they're told embrace the role (gender) in God, who is life, has placed them in. But persecuting and condemning them has done nothing but cause them to persecute and condemn back [Matthew 7:2] and they're justified by your standard . A True Disciple is not to try to change anyone, they're to teach what leads to the Father; the Father will do the changing! They are not right in the way they are living but their salvation is not in your hands, it's in theirs.

"Now that is fine until they profess to be Christians. Paul is clear that we judge only those inside 1 Cor 5:12. If you or I became a Muslim and we mocked the name of Muhammed would we be able to say to fellow Muslims 'don't judge us'. It is because Christianity is all about grace that it is taken advantage of and completely abused. If someone does not want to be judged according to the bible, they must not claim to be followers of the bible."
There are rapists who also profess to be "Christian", there liars who profess to be "Christians", there are murderers who profess to be "Christians", a lot of sinners profess to be "Christians" yet live otherwise and you think nothing of them like being LGBT takes the cake of being a sinner! Hypocrite! Only a misguided "Christian" would measure the potency on a specific sin. Spirituality is for everyone, [Matthew 10:8] Jesus says, "give as freely as you've received!" Teach without persecuting and condemning. God will separate the chaff from the wheat, he will remove the weeds from the garden. Don't let a misguided interpretation of "Judging" make you a weed. An understanding of the Golden Rule and Mercy before Sacrifice is no where to be found in human persecution and condemnation.

"A Christian opens themselves up to judgment according to scripture. A Christian welcomes this judgment. A Christian loves this judgment. Because a Christian wants to live their lives to please God and not be find doing things He hates when He comes for us. Christianity is synonymous with harsh self judgment."
I wouldn't know, I no longer label my self as a "Christian", I measure myself to the standard found in the first four books of the New Testament. Without the Christ Consciousness developed from studying and living the teachings and example of Jesus Christ, a person can transform into a self righteous religious bigot with a misinterpreted intake of the religion and life by reading the rest of the Bible before reading the First Four Books of the New Testament.

"Now Paul is crystal clear on judging and these scriptures from him are pretty self explanatory. I just want to ensure that you agree with 2 Tim 3:16. You made a concerning statement that the gospels > other scripture. That statement warrants its own thread ."
It doesn't need it's own thread unless you're trying to complicate it. I said before, "Without the Christ Consciousness developed from studying and living the teachings and example of Jesus Christ, a person can transform into a self righteous religious bigot with a misinterpreted intake of the religion and life by reading the rest of the Bible before reading the First Four Books of the New Testament." As for the rest of your Paul quotes, I never read a single verse, i read the whole chapter to understand what he's talking about because single verses are all to often used out of context to validate misinterpretation.

 

[True Disciple]

God, in his omnipotence, omnipresence, and omniscience waits until a person has completed life before passing judgment.


Matthew 7

DO NOT JUDGE OTHERS

1 "Do not judge others, and you will not be judged.2 For you will be treated as you treat others.* The standard you use in judging is the standard by which you will be judged.*

3 "And why worry about a speck in your friend's eye* when you have a log in your own?4 How can you think of saying to your friend,* 'Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye,' when you can't see past the log in your own eye?5 Hypocrite! First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friend's eye.

6 "Don't waste what is holy on people who are unholy.* Don't throw your pearls to pigs! They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you.


How fitting is it that one of the following teachings is…

THE GOLDEN RULE

12 "Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets.


The golden rule is the essence of God’s Laws. So how important is it to have an understanding of this teaching? Every Biblical interpretation is so caught up in “It’s God’s Laws” failing to understand that God is Life (Matthew 4:4). Life is the “Word” that comes from the mouth of God, without it we’re dead. So God’s law is Life’s law. Despite it’s details and how others interpret it, the Bible is a book on how to approach life in all it’s aspects and how we are to live, especially how we should engage with each other in private, in the community, in the society, and in the world. And the Golden rule is at the heart of it all. Note, just because you’ve been brought up in a misguided way and have accepted this misguidedness as okay to you, that does not mean others want to be treated with your accepted misguidedness.


Jesus says to not judge others for we will be treated as we treat others. The standard used in judging others will be used by those others to judge you. Human beings are not perfect, omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent beings, so humans can’t really make a fair and just judgment of another human. What sense is in a sinner judging another sinner? Imperfect people judging imperfect people… Every gender of every race has committed sin, no one is better than another. When you judge others you set yourself up in front of the firing squad and your sins are the bullets. Sin is sin to the Heavenly Father, there is no measure from one sin to another. Learn to quiet your mind from judging and just experience your life, it’s the only thing that truly matters. Ceasing to judge begins with the thing human’s judge the most and that’s themselves and other humans.


If you do not know the teachings of Jesus, the assessing and judging of your mind can and will be your worst enemy. It can even trick you into believing that your sins are not as bad as sins of others, blinding you to your own affliction. You may argue that you’re not judging, you’re just observing the fruit. If you don’t control your mind then it controls you and most don’t control their mind. Your uncontrolled mind assess and judges whether you are consciously aware of it or not. If you’re in the presence of another sinner and you feel negative about them and the sins you know they’ve committed, you just judged them and you didn’t even have to think a thought.


Jesus goes on to speak on worrying about removing specks from others eyes while having a log in your own. To me, he’s referring to imperfect people giving advice to other imperfect people and to keep opinions to your self. Like a child who’s ignorant to understanding his own lesson but jumps to help another with theirs; what good can be learned from this type of person? How can you learn something from someone who does not know for themselves? How can you know something is true if you’ve never sought to experience it for your self? Many religious do this, spreading the misinterpreted truth of Jesus and the cross (bearing false witness). They beat around the bush when it comes to Jesus, stuck in the Old Testament and picking and choosing what they like in the New Testament that in accordance to Old Testament. It’s hard for people to accept the truth that everything they’ve been taught by teachers or religious law and their parents is distorted truth. If it wasn’t misinterpreted, distorted truth, then it would be hard for science and other religions to discredit and find contradictions within what is preached and many more lives and civilizations would be better.

 

[Ophel]

I would like to offer my thoughts on judging, according to scripture, if I may.

Clarification is needed, in my opinion, on the word, “judgmental”, and the call to “righteous judging”, which is tearing at the fiber of the North American church today and is bringing in moral relativism by the truckload.

Criticism, for its own sake, is usually out of a bitter spirit, born out of hypocrisy, and is plainly wrong. It is not motivated by the Holy Spirit in the least.

There is, however, a vital aspect to judging. One of the gifts of the Spirit is the “Discerning of Spirits”, found in 1 Corinthians 12:10. The Greek word for discernment is, “diakrisis”, which comes from two words: “dia”, meaning “through, between”, and “krino”, meaning, “to judge”. In other words, the Holy Spirit gifts people so that they can make a judgment between two things, as to which right, and which is wrong. The specific gift of “discernment of spirits” involves being supernaturally able to distinguish between a person who is serving the cause of evil spirits, and one who is serving the cause of God. As soon as one says, “No person has the right to judge”, then that person is actually quenching the Holy Spirit’s gifting of people to make judgments which will edify the church.

To say that we the Church cannot judge a situation or a person in sin is to allow cultural relativism to slip into the church, falling into an unbalanced doctrine of judgment. This is happening more and more now.

The Lord Jesus shows that it is good to “judge with righteous judgment” (John 7:24). ..we should make judgments based on the yardstick of righteousness as revealed in His Word, which looks beyond mere outward appearances, and are made with the right spirit in heart.

When Jesus said, “Judge not, that you be not judged” (Matthew 7:1), we immediately know what kind of judgment He is referring to there. He cannot mean that we must never make any judgment at all, otherwise we would not be able to fulfill some other scriptural mandates, such as never to allow anyone to deceive us...see Matthew 24:4; Luke 21:8; 2Thessalonians 2:3; Ephesians 5:6; Colossians 2:8. If only God can judge, as many think, then how will we be able to fulfill the apostle John’s command: “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world” (1 John 4:1). Far from being wrong, judgment is actually a vital part of the Christian armour!

Christ has placed pastors and teachers into the church precisely to make judgments which will prevent people from being “tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting” (Ephesians 4:14). The judgment which the Lord Jesus forbids in Matthew 7:1 refers to a person who makes a judgment about another person, while he himself is doing the very same thing which he is judging in the other! That is hypocritical judgment, a hypocrisy, which is forbidden by Christ.

The kind of judgment which builds up God’s people by advising them of danger or falsehood is an absolute necessity.


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[True Disciple]

Matthew 10:11-15, "Whenever you enter a city or village, search for a worthy person and stay in his home until you leave town. When you enter the home, give it your blessing. If it turns out to be a worthy home, let your blessing stand; if it is not, take back the blessing. If any household or town refuses to welcome you or listen to your message, shake its dust from your feet as you leave. I tell you the truth, the wicked cities of Sodom and Gomorrah will be better off than such a town on the judgment day.

And wuth that, I take my leave.

 

[Ophel]

Matthew 10:11-15, "Whenever you enter a city or village, search for a worthy person and stay in his home until you leave town. When you enter the home, give it your blessing. If it turns out to be a worthy home, let your blessing stand; if it is not, take back the blessing. If any household or town refuses to welcome you or listen to your message, shake its dust from your feet as you leave. I tell you the truth, the wicked cities of Sodom and Gomorrah will be better off than such a town on the judgment day.

And wuth that, I take my leave.

I hope as you grow in your faith and in years, as you are very young, yet, that you come to learn that this kind of judgment you've displayed is just the kind that the Lord despises in His people. You've shown us how NOT to be. Thank you.

Go in peace.



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[Wired 4 Fishen]

There is way too much judging going on in the body of Christ these days. They judge every one and everything according to their own limited understanding which is not a good practice.

We need to be judging our selves and our actions and motives. Judging what we allow into our lives.
As far as the rest goes..........modern day christians take this way too far.

 

[Lanolin]

I don't understand why some christians think its wrong to judge.
We are to be righteous judges but only judging when we are actually in a position to judge, lest we be hypocrites.

We are going to be judging angels!
We know how to judge because we are judging by the word of God.
Discernment is a gift given to us to know right from wrong. If we don't know what right and wrong are...we are lost.

To be rebuked or chastised isn't pleasant, but this is to help us make our paths straight. We cannot judge each other harshly and God knows everyones situation. So if you don't want to be judged, refrain from judging others yourself. But If its wrong for Christians to judge, then why anyone would work in the justice department As a JUDGE...? Isn't it better for a christian to be in the position of a JUDGE than a non-christian?

If its not your role then don't do it. But there is no rule that a christian cannot use their judgement between right and wrong. Because we have taken the speck out of our OWN eyes first. Then we are in a position to do it. If our parents did not do this responisbly while we were children we would really be lost. Think about it.

 

[KingJ]

Judging to condemn and judging to assess are two different elements that you're trying combine to make one.

I use to think like that. But you need to think more here.

You cannot judge to condemn. You are condemned if the judgement reveals it. Judge and condemn are different words. Judge has always meant analyze / discern. Now the GLBT movement does not not just want you to not condemn them. They don't want you to see anything wrong with what they are doing.

Attacking a persons character as you said in your first line ironically has nothing whatsoever to do with judging. That is not condemning either.

After judging a GLBT ''who professes to be a Christian'' we can make a judgment call that they are not. Rather they are en route to hell. It is that ''en route to hell'' that they all take offence with. Would you see that as condemning? We cannot tell someone they are en route to hell?

In order to live as a GLBT and have some peace of mind they need to accuse Christians of self righteous judgments calls.

It was the self righteous judgment calls that Jesus was addressing with the Jews. Jesus was on a mission to expose hypocrisy. The Jews had lived like that for long. Jesus wanted to defy religiosity 100%. He stopped someone being stoned to death according to the law, He broke the Sabbath and He told them to stop self righteous judgment calls.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

I use to think like that. But you need to think more here.

You cannot judge to condemn. You are condemned if the judgement reveals it. Judge and condemn are different words. Judge has always meant analyze / discern. Now the GLBT movement does not not just want you to not condemn them. They don't want you to see anything wrong with what they are doing.

Attacking a persons character as you said in your first line ironically has nothing whatsoever to do with judging. That is not condemning either.


After judging a GLBT ''who professes to be a Christian'' we can make a judgment call that they are not. Rather they are en route to hell. It is that ''en route to hell'' that they all take offence with.

So living as a GLBT 101 = Accuse some Christians of self righteous judgments calls = stupidity, lying and deceitful 101.

It was the self righteous judgment calls that Jesus was addressing with the Jews. Jesus was on a mission to expose hypocrisy. The Jews had lived like that for long. Jesus wanted to defy religiosity 100%. He stopped someone being stoned to death according to the law, He broke the Sabbath and He told them to stop self righteous judgment calls.

Becareful how you word things. I know several folks who became born again and it took some time to get them out of the old life style but never the less they did get born again. Before yoou shoot mer down - think about this.......... It is NOT our Job to change any one. It is not our job to judge who is and who is not saved nor who can and can not be saved. It is our job to plant and water and God does the growing and changing.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

I don't understand why some christians think its wrong to judge.
We are to be righteous judges but only judging when we are actually in a position to judge, lest we be hypocrites.

We are going to be judging angels!
We know how to judge because we are judging by the word of God.
Discernment is a gift given to us to know right from wrong. If we don't know what right and wrong are...we are lost.

To be rebuked or chastised isn't pleasant, but this is to help us make our paths straight. We cannot judge each other harshly and God knows everyones situation. So if you don't want to be judged, refrain from judging others yourself. But If its wrong for Christians to judge, then why anyone would work in the justice department As a JUDGE...? Isn't it better for a christian to be in the position of a JUDGE than a non-christian?

If its not your role then don't do it. But there is no rule that a christian cannot use their judgement between right and wrong. Because we have taken the speck out of our OWN eyes first. Then we are in a position to do it. If our parents did not do this responisbly while we were children we would really be lost. Think about it.

The problem Lanolin is that far to many Christians take this judging thing way to far. Every one feels they have true rightious discernment - the problem is - they dont and judge in error. They judge Gods servants as false on THEIR LACK of understanding. It happens all too often.
Blessings

 

[KingJ]

Becareful how you word things. I know several folks who became born again and it took some time to get them out of the old life style but never the less they did get born again. Before you shoot mer down - think about this.......... It is NOT our Job to change any one. It is not our job to judge who is and who is not saved nor who can and can not be saved. It is our job to plant and water and God does the growing and changing.

I don't know why you think I will shoot you down. What in my post got to you? We must do whatever we can / are lead to do to lead someone to the Lord. We just have to make sure that we are leading them to the Lord and not church membership.

Gal 6:1 Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted

Prov 27:6 Wounds from a friend can be trusted, but an enemy multiplies kisses.

 

[Lanolin]

That is why Jesus explained further in the verses...to take the speck out of your own eye first and then you can see clearly.
Far too many people were judging with specks in their eyes so they were judging wrongly.
We are to judge righteously.

Also, I agree, judge does not mean to condemn. Jesus came not to condemn, because we are condemned ALREADY if we don't believe. He came to warn and he came to give life and to love.

As for GLBT they are being 'self-righteous' when they think its right do do wrong in God's eyes.