Judging

[Ceptor]

1 Corinthians 3:18-19
18Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
19For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.




1 Corinthians 1:21-31
21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29That no flesh should glory in his presence.
30But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

 

[KingJ]

1. Brother to use google as your source of spiritual knowledge of Gods written word and ways - well it just aint smart. They make their sites look and sound so good. They say the right things to get your attention and any one with at least a half a brain can manipulate scripture to fit any doctrine or belief.

2. I have spent much time debating things with you and you are not even seeking His word for your self for truth. Nice...
Blessings
Jim

1. a. I did not say it is my source of spiritual knowledge. b. Google is tool. Ignoring conflicting arguments to our beliefs is what is not smart.

2. Actually we have never come close to a proper debate. Your posts are full of lines like the underlined.

 

[KingJ]

1. You run into trouble when you focus on the mind---the brain or the intellect or our "advanced cognitive abilities" as the source of spiritual discernment. 2. You cannot ignore the fact that the Spirit of God resides in the spirit of the believer and His discernment is available to him.

3. People will not be cast into hell for their congregate sins, but because they are not covered by the blood of the Lamb, Jesus! They are unrighteous and therefore are unacceptable to God. Their father is the devil and they will go where he goes.

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1. People go to hell because they love what is evil. Our God given brains are more then capable of discerning this truth. We run into trouble when we think pleasing and displeasing God involves something other then what our mind can discern.

2. Yes, this is why Christians are more accountable for teaching tripe. The Holy Spirit's insight is an addition to our already active ability to discern. The renewal of our minds is a process of working on removing the old man driving them. Not EQ and IQ dropping from 100% to 10% as some teachers wish would happen :whistle.

3. Why will someone not be covered by the blood of the Lamb? Why is someone's father the devil? How exactly do you reject Jesus?

 

[Ophel]

1. People go to hell because they love what is evil. Our God given brains are more then capable of discerning this truth. We run into trouble when we think pleasing and displeasing God involves something other then what our mind can discern.

2. Yes, this is why Christians are more accountable for teaching tripe. The Holy Spirit's insight is an addition to our already active ability to discern. The renewal of our minds is a process of working on removing the old man driving them. Not EQ and IQ dropping from 100% to 10% as some teachers wish would happen :whistle.

3. Why will someone not be covered by the blood of the Lamb? Why is someone's father the devil? How exactly do you reject Jesus?

People who love evil are those who are unrighteous, and not covered in the blood of Jesus. It's all about Jesus. The natural mind cannot discern anything. Only the mind that is governed by the born again spirit can discern. The mind is part of the flesh of man, and is naturally at enmity with God, and must be renewed and consistently placed under subjection to the word and will of God.

Everyone who receives the Good News about Jesus Christ and what He has done on the cross is covered by the blood, made holy and righteous in God's sight and has moved from the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of light. Rejecting the gospel is rejecting Jesus.


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[Dovegiven]

People who love evil are those who are unrighteous, and not covered in the blood of Jesus. It's all about Jesus. The natural mind cannot discern anything. Only the mind that is governed by the born again spirit can discern. The mind is part of the flesh of man, and is naturally at enmity with God, and must be renewed and consistently placed under subjection to the word and will of God.

Everyone who receives the Good News about Jesus Christ and what He has done on the cross is covered by the blood, made holy and righteous in God's sight and has moved from the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of light. Rejecting the gospel is rejecting Jesus.

1 Corinthians 15:44-46 (KJV)
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

I doubt anyone can support with scriptures that the natural mind can't discern "anything". We can't naturally discern between spiritual
things of the spirit world. Men discern the kosmos, the natural world system that God made and said was "good"..Adam obviously
discerned it, naming the animals.
I wanted to just point out it is the spiritual
that the natural mind can't understand until born into the spiritual by faith.
It is the natural mind of man that must hear the gospel, then believe it. If the natural mind couldn't discern that we are sinners
needing salvation, then none could respond to the gospel of Christ by faith believing. If we must become spiritual before
discerning Christ our redeemer, then none could know him.

When we look at Romans 8:5-9 (KJV)
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

consider the word "carnal" means a paying attention to sins of the flesh, ignoring the law of God. "Carnal" doesn't mean a person is
incapable of discerning, as in "reprobate". The natural mind is open to discerning an invitation from God to believe. God wants people
to believe voluntarily, not merely respond like a green leaf turning towards sunlight.

 

[Ophel]

1 Corinthians 15:44-46 (KJV)
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

I doubt anyone can support with scriptures that the natural mind can't discern "anything". We can't naturally discern between spiritual
things of the spirit world. Men discern the kosmos, the natural world system that God made and said was "good"..Adam obviously
discerned it, naming the animals.
I wanted to just point out it is the spiritual
that the natural mind can't understand until born into the spiritual by faith.
It is the natural mind of man that must hear the gospel, then believe it. If the natural mind couldn't discern that we are sinners
needing salvation, then none could respond to the gospel of Christ by faith believing. If we must become spiritual before
discerning Christ our redeemer, then none could know him.

When we look at Romans 8:5-9 (KJV)
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

consider the word "carnal" means a paying attention to sins of the flesh, ignoring the law of God. "Carnal" doesn't mean a person is
incapable of discerning, as in "reprobate". The natural mind is open to discerning an invitation from God to believe. God wants people
to believe voluntarily, not merely respond like a green leaf turning towards sunlight.

Yes, you've pointed out the truth, and my comment just didn't go far enough. Thank you for finishing up my thoughts, well.

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[Dovegiven]

Yes, you've pointed out the truth, and my comment just didn't go far enough. Thank you for finishing up my thoughts, well.

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That's mostly what we are supposed to be doing, tell it, let the world hear it as best they can, choose.

 

[amadeus2]

Brother to use google as your source of spiritual knowledge of Gods written word and ways - well it just aint smart. They make their sites look and sound so good. They say the right things to get your attention and any one with at least a half a brain can manipulate scripture to fit any doctrine or belief.

And even some of us, like yours truly, as the Holy Ghost leads, with less than half.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

1. People go to hell because they love what is evil. Our God given brains are more then capable of discerning this truth. We run into trouble when we think pleasing and displeasing God involves something other then what our mind can discern.

2. Yes, this is why Christians are more accountable for teaching tripe. The Holy Spirit's insight is an addition to our already active ability to discern. The renewal of our minds is a process of working on removing the old man driving them. Not EQ and IQ dropping from 100% to 10% as some teachers wish would happen :whistle.

3. Why will someone not be covered by the blood of the Lamb? Why is someone's father the devil? How exactly do you reject Jesus?

KJ said..........
]1. People go to hell because they love what is evil. Our God given brains are more then capable of discerning this truth. We run into trouble when we think pleasing and displeasing God involves something other then what our mind can discern.

1. Scripture teaches us or better yet TELLS us that there is ONLY one way to end up in hell. That is to reject Jesus Christ......This means to NOT EVER make Jesus Lord of Your life and accept what He did on the cross.

KJ said.......1.b...Our God given brains are more then capable of discerning this truth. We run into trouble when we think pleasing and displeasing God involves something other then what our mind can discern.

1.b......Scripture clearly teaches us .with out God or Jesus we can do nothing...... Our natural minds can NOT lead us into all truth with out being renewed unto Gods word and ways. If what you claim was correct then over 2\3 of the bible or Gods written word would not have to have been written.
It takes the Spirit of God with in us to discern. If you do not build this Spirit man up with Gods word and faith then your spirit man will NOT be able to discern much.

KJ said ........2.Yes, this is why Christians are more accountable for teaching tripe. The Holy Spirit's insight is an addition to our already active ability to discern. The renewal of our minds is a process of working on removing the old man driving them. Not EQ and IQ dropping from 100% to 10% as some teachers wish would happen :whistle

For starters our natural man or brain can not in any way shape or form discern the things of God. You say the Holy Spirits insight is in an adidition to our already active ability to discern. Now that is just not true.....The Holy Spirit is not simply an addition to our anything. The Holy spirit is to be in control - lead man - our natural brain or thinking is to fall under SUBMISSION of the Holy Spirit.

KJ said.....3. Why will someone not be covered by the blood of the Lamb? Why is someone's father the devil? How exactly do you reject Jesus?

Now you are just playing here..........all three have the same answer.........By NOT making Jesus Lord of your life which means by NOT EVER becoming born again..........

As long as a person continues to explain away Gods word by human understanding - well sir they will NOT grow spiritually or gain understanding of the spiritual things of God.
Matthew 7:20 .... Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Have a very Blessed Day
Jim

 

[Lanolin]

sorry i don't understand what people are arguing about now.

If someone would like to give an example of when a christian has judged you unfairly or wrongly, please do.

Maybe also give an example of where a christian has judged righteously and you were rebuked or chastised, as that happens too.

We need to examine ourselves whether we are in the faith.
Also I just want to say, Solomon asked for wisdom from above and he got it. That is why he could judge righteously between two women who both claimed that a child was theirs.
that story is in the Bible, if you care to look it up.

 

[Lanolin]

Another example is Jesus, judging righteously when a woman caught in adultery was going to be stoned.

 

[amadeus2]

Another example is Jesus, judging righteously when a woman caught in adultery was going to be stoned.

And then there is Jesus' example where he seemingly declines to render a judgment:

"And one of the company said unto him, Master, speak to my brother, that he divide the inheritance with me.

And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you?" Luke 12:13-14

 

[Ceptor]

Another example is Jesus, judging righteously when a woman caught in adultery was going to be stoned.

I believe that ended in "Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

So that would be mercy, grace, and forgiveness.

Which is what I think we all need to take notes on and quit worrying about judging one another.

Jesus chose forgiveness and mercy over judgment a number of times. And does so for every one of us. So why are we so worried about judging each other? I don't see this being an issue.

No one here has done anything more than the woman Jesus saved that Lanolin referred to, and no one here is greater than Jesus our Lord.

I think if we spend more time judging others than judging ourselves, we are likely not as close to God as we would like to think we are.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

I believe that ended in "Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

So that would be mercy, grace, and forgiveness.

Which is what I think we all need to take notes on and quit worrying about judging one another.

Jesus chose forgiveness and mercy over judgment a number of times. And does so for every one of us. So why are we so worried about judging each other? I don't see this being an issue.

No one here has done anything more than the woman Jesus saved that Lanolin referred to, and no one here is greater than Jesus our Lord.

I think if we spend more time judging others than judging ourselves, we are likely not as close to God as we would like to think we are.

AMEN Brother Amen...........Now I add this -- to those who have ears - Let them hear.
God Bless
Jim

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

sorry i don't understand what people are arguing about now.

If someone would like to give an example of when a christian has judged you unfairly or wrongly, please do.

Maybe also give an example of where a christian has judged righteously and you were rebuked or chastised, as that happens too.

We need to examine ourselves whether we are in the faith.
Also I just want to say, Solomon asked for wisdom from above and he got it. That is why he could judge righteously between two women who both claimed that a child was theirs.
that story is in the Bible, if you care to look it up.

Hi Lanolin,
The story you are talking about is found in 1Kings 3:5-15
The Lord appeared to Solomon in a dream and asked him what He could give him. Solomon chose wisely and chose wisdom. For with the wisdom of God - he knew he would not need anything else. This wisdom would cover every area of his life. If lack tried to show up then the wisdom of God would show him how to rid lack out of his life and so forth.

Judging and or discernment is BUT ONE of the area's in which this Wisdom would be applied.
Blessings
Jim

 

[Dovegiven]

AMEN Brother Amen...........Now I add this -- to those who have ears - Let them hear.
God Bless
Jim

It appears to me that's probably the end play, excusing sin since Jesus excused an adulteress.

The key statement he uttered was he last, John 8:11 (KJV)
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

There is obviously a limit to grace. That was a commend to the woman. Why leave that out?

 

[Ophel]

It appears to me that's probably the end play, excusing sin since Jesus excused an adulteress.

The key statement he uttered was he last, John 8:11 (KJV)
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

There is obviously a limit to grace. That was a commend to the woman. Why leave that out?

The command to sin no more is for her benefit in her life. He was in effect giving her real life. When Jesus forgives us, we begin to walk in a new paradigm, wanting to no longer sin, and attain in Him a whole new power to refuse it and to overcome it.


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[Wired 4 Fishen]

It appears to me that's probably the end play, excusing sin since Jesus excused an adulteress.

The key statement he uttered was he last, John 8:11 (KJV)
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

There is obviously a limit to grace. That was a commend to the woman. Why leave that out?

Limit to Grace ? Like God will only forgive some things but not all ?

 

[Dovegiven]

Limit to Grace ? Like God will only forgive some things but not all ?

The Bible is clear God won't keep forgiving a persistent sinner persisting in sin. If he does that now then he would have to apologize to Israel for their
tragic history of rebellion against God. That God forgives one sin at all is a magnificent display of his grace.

It isn't a matter of which kind of sin, other than that sin unto death, but whether a person chooses to keep wallowing in his/her sin while ignoring God.
He demands repentance as condition of forgiveness. An example of repentance is forgiving people that have wronged us, rather than hold onto
hatred of them.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

The Bible is clear God won't keep forgiving a persistent sinner persisting in sin. If he does that now then he would have to apologize to Israel for their
tragic history of rebellion against God. That God forgives one sin at all is a magnificent display of his grace.

It isn't a matter of which kind of sin, other than that sin unto death, but whether a person chooses to keep wallowing in his/her sin while ignoring God.
He demands repentance as condition of forgiveness. An example of repentance is forgiving people that have wronged us, rather than hold onto
hatred of them.

Please do not take this the wrong way for I mean no disrespect what so ever - But what are you talking about?
You can take the most wicked woman raping man killing person and if they repent when they are 119 years old then we will see them in heaven for Gods Grace is for every one.

Repenting means you change direction - you change the way you were thinking unto the way God thinks.
Forgiving is simply forgiving and we are all commanded to do so.

Blessings
Jim