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Can I ask, do you approve of the teachings of Jesus? Turn the left cheek. Love your enemies. Pray for those who spitefully use you. Repenting of and turning from sin.
I do approve of those teachings, but I'm not very pure.
Some of those Muslims seem very devout, though some of them have some mad ideas. I've downloaded a Koran on my phone so I'll have a read of it and let you know if it has any truth in it, or if I can feel more connected with that. I can't be alone in spirit any more, I just can't.
 
@LostButTrying -- jEUS cHRIST TELLS US IN jOHN 14:6 "i AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE, NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER BUT BY ME." SO -- SINCE YOU WANT THE TRUTH -- STICK WITH GOD'S WORD. NOTHING ELSE.

ABOUT A YEAR AGO -- GOD CHOSE TO TAKE MY HUSBAND HOME TO HEAVEN TO BE WITH HIM. HE'D BEEN HAVING PROBLEMS WITH PTSD -- I'VE BEEN HAVING TO RE-INVENT MYSELF FROM HAVING HAD A HUSBAND FOR 46 YRS. TO BEING SINGLE AGAIN. WHEN A SPOUSE DIES -- SOMETHING INSIDE DIES A LITTLE, TOO. IT'S BEEN A STRUGGLE TO FEEL CLOSENESS TO GOD AGAIN. BUT I DO KNOW THAT GOD IS STILL 'THERE'. I GO TO A BIBLE STUDY EVERY WEEK AND CHURCH EVERY SUNDAY AGAIN. I'D ALSO BROKEN MY ANKLE AND WAS CONFINED TO A WHEELCHAIR FOR 5 WEEKS. SO I'M NOW ABLE TO GET BACK OUT INTO REAL LIFE AND REAL PEOPLE. AND GOD'S WORD.

PROBABY EVERY BELIEF SYSTEM HAS IT'S 'GOOD POINTS' IT'S DEVOUT FOLLOWERS -- BUT PEOPLE CAN BE 'DEVOUTLY' WRONG IN WHO THEY CHOOSE TO FOLLOW.

THERE ARE MUSLIM'S NOW WHO ARE TURNING TO CHRISTIANITY -- THE HOLY SPIRIT IS SHOWING THEM THE REAL TRUTH.

SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE A REAL HEAD KNOWLEDGE OF GOD / BIBLE -- BUT NOT A HEART ACCEPTANCE.

BY ALL MEANS -- TALK TO GOD ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT IS IN YOUR HEART. ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR NEED FOR HIM -- CHRISTIANITY IS THE ONLY BELIEF SYSTEM WITH A RISEN SAVIOR. AND WITHOUT HIM -- WE HAVE NO SALVATION -- AND THAT IS WHAT EVERYONE IS REALLY WANTING -- THE RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.

AND PLEASE FORGIVE THE ALL CAPS -- MY COMPUTER KEYBOARD HAS BEEN STUCK 'HERE' FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS NOW. WE'VE SPOKEN ON ANOTHER THREAD.
 
Thank you Sue, and thank you for letting me know something about your life. It must be so hard doing things on your own when you used to have your husband with you.
My dad died in May so it's been hard on my mum. My mum isn't a Christian, she practices witchcraft (grey witch) which is a sort of comfort to her.
I've been reading the Koran on my phone and to be honest I find it quite repetitive, and it doesn't understand the trinity, though it does call Jesus the Messiah.
 
I feel like I'm trying to make myself believe, trying to will myself. It just feels like I'm not answered by God, not met, I feel slightly sad and alone in the universe. I've tried hard and I just can't keep trying. There is nothing there.

I'm not angry or bitter, or anything just a bit sad. I just feel it's not true. I'm sad that it's not true.... I thought it was...

I never wanted rainbows to appear, or miracles, nothing, just a sense of being heard, or cared for.

I'm sorry to offend anybody, please keep your faith. It seems to work for you. I'm sending my love to you. Sorry.

I'm no longer a Christian.
Hello Lost But Trying,
After reading some of your postings, I do notice that you are familiar with Scriptures, and their meanings. However, I don't recall you mentioning how you came to believe in Christ Jesus as your Savior in the first place. Understand that I'm not talking Christianity. I've always believed that a Supernatural experience and not just some words being mouthed, while coming to the Foot of the Cross in understanding is what helps one to that place where no matter what else goes wrong afterwards, or seems to, and things do go haywire in our lives as I'm sure you know. That one moment in time, or ones testimony, will always be there and can never be taken away, because you know it, and you experienced it!

Now one can get down, or feel (emotions) that there is an emptiness at times, a lack of direction/purpose, but truth be told if the initial time was true for you, no matter what the World tosses at you, as long as you believe in and trust in Him whom you placed your trust initially in. He'll bring someone, or something into your life, touching your Spirit, that will not only confirm Him being there, but that He also Loves you more then one can even imagine or in truth even begin to understand. So I pray for you.

I pray that from his glorious, unlimited resources he will empower you with inner strength through his Spirit. Then Christ will make his home in your hearts as you trust in him. Your roots will grow down into God's love and keep you strong. And may you have the power to understand, as all God's people should, how wide, how long, how high, and how deep his love is. May you experience the love of Christ, though it is too great to understand fully. Then you will be made complete with all the fullness of life and power that comes from God. Now all glory to God, who is able, through his mighty power at work within us, to accomplish infinitely more than we might ask or think. Ephesians 3:16

Too often we confuse the head knowledge with the Spirit of understanding that there is so much more for us then is readily apparent through the lives we are currently living as Believers in Christ Jesus. It doesn't help that we have an active enemy that continues to throw darts at us trying to take us down.

above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one. Ephesians 6:16

Those darts can even come by way of trying to make you feel empty, and alone. If come to Christ, you did. Understand that you are never alone, or unloved. Each Brother or Sister here at Talk Jesus and around the World loves you, whether it appears that way or not. For not everyone who professes to be a Christian is, but a Brother/Sister in Christ is part of the Body of Christ, and loves you unconditionally. Maybe, not perfectly since all of us are still a work in progress.

Therefore, if anyone [is] in Christ, [he is] a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. 2 Corinthians 5:17

For as new Creations, we start out as children, and continue to be open to being molded by our Father into who He wants us to be.

But now, O LORD, You [are] our Father; We [are] the clay, and You our potter; And all we [are] the work of Your hand. Isaiah 64:8

As Jesus said in Mark 5:16 "....."Do not be afraid; only believe." "

For fear, doubt, won't leave you room to know the love of the Lord. That puts you in a place that says God cannot do what He says he can, and will do in you. Think of the Lord in the Garden of Gethsemane when He said "........"My soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even to death." Matthew 26:38 None of us are exempt for these moments or times, but know ,He can relate because He's been there!

However, what we do during these times is important. Our Lord turned to the Father in prayer. Should we do less? I've placed my prone body with my face on the ground with tears seeking solace for my spirit that was heavy and feeling alone. A comfort that seemed to escape my grasp, every time I tried to reached for it. So, I fell before my Father who is in Heaven, and stopped trying to grab, but instead just allowed my Spirit to receive. For He will deny you nothing in Christ Jesus.

Believe it or not, when you feeling pressed upon by the Adversary, it also helps to start singing!!! Personally I sound like a croaking frog, but it doesn't stop me from doing it! Why? Because.......

Oh come, let us sing to the LORD! Let us shout joyfully to the Rock of our salvation. Let us come before His presence with thanksgiving; Let us shout joyfully to Him with psalms. For the LORD [is] the great God, And the great King above all gods. In His hand [are] the deep places of the earth; The heights of the hills [are] His also. The sea [is] His, for He made it; And His hands formed the dry [land]. Oh come, let us worship and bow down; Let us kneel before the LORD our Maker. Psalm 95:1-6

Even if their a tears running down your cheeks as you are doing this. All the better. For your very Spirit will be crying out to Him. This is what will lift the shroud that seems to be covering you now. Cast it aside and turn to Him who Loved you so much that He went to the Cross for you.

I could go on, but be comforted that you are not alone. Also, know that you will have Brothers & Sisters in Christ Jesus praying for you.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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I do approve of those teachings, but I'm not very pure.
Some of those Muslims seem very devout, though some of them have some mad ideas. I've downloaded a Koran on my phone so I'll have a read of it and let you know if it has any truth in it, or if I can feel more connected with that. I can't be alone in spirit any more, I just can't.

It is good to hear you say you approve. But that causes even more confusion for me.

See, the teachings of Jesus and what He did is unlike anything the prophets before Him taught. For example, you say you want to pursue Islam. Do you know the differences in belief and teaching between Jesus and Mohammed? A Comparison between Jesus and Muhammad | CARM.org.

Jesus stopped an adulterer being stoned to death. Jesus taught turn the left cheek, which is to love your neighbor more then yourself. Do unto others as you want done unto you = putting others before yourself. You will not find this teaching from any prior prophet or another OT based religion (nobody can dispute the OT).

Personally, even if I did not feel a ''connection'' in Christianity, I would still not jump to any other religion. They are all ''meh''. For me it is only the teachings of Jesus that got me interested in 'religion'.

Outside of Jesus, I don't believe there is a need for ''religion''. Why have it? We all have working brains that know right from wrong. There is so much vanity and self righteousness in ''religion'' and it smells!

Jesus is attractive. Love on another level. A message of God's love for mankind at the highest level John 15:13. It deserves our full attention and investigation. We can't just say ''sigh it didn't work for me''.
 
Thank you Sue, and thank you for letting me know something about your life. It must be so hard doing things on your own when you used to have your husband with you.
My dad died in May so it's been hard on my mum. My mum isn't a Christian, she practices witchcraft (grey witch) which is a sort of comfort to her.
I've been reading the Koran on my phone and to be honest I find it quite repetitive, and it doesn't understand the trinity, though it does call Jesus the Messiah.

Good morning Lost, I think it is really good that you are reading the Quran. I haven't read it all myself but from what I can see, it does tend to be a list of do's and don'ts. More importantly, no Muslim has been able to explain to me definitively how you get into Heaven. Most tell me that you do your best, you follow the Quran, you read it, you do the prayers, mosque, traditions etc and hopefully it'll be enough for Allah to say ok you're in.

Please have a look at Jesus's equivalent, the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew Chapters 5-7. None of this is commandment, it is a a list of guidelines of how you live your life if you want to please God. It has nothing to do with how you get into Heaven. Later Jesus summarises these guidelines in two commandments, Matthew 22: 36-40. Again, you can follow those two commandments to the letter and still not make it into Heaven.

There is only one way to truly find God. A simple prayer to say, 'God, I'm on the wrong highway here, I need to do a u-turn and I need you to take over the wheel'. That right highway is called Jesus. You really need to commit to God, He needs to be your imperative, there really is no other way. No amount of Rules regulations or observance will will get you through to God. You need to step out in faith and make that commitment, this is about Him and not you.
 
However, I don't recall you mentioning how you came to believe in Christ
Hello, I was Christened as a baby because I was very sick and was going to die. I always just accepted this as my belief. I went to a church school and took scripture as a subject later in school. I was a choirboy when young and used to go to various meetings. So I was sort of just always a Christian. But I was never born again. It never really, really came alive although as I've got older I have had times when I have so desperately needed it to. I believe I have had a really solid faith and put my trust in Jesus, but haven't noticed the effect of doing this... I've just trusted that it does have an effect, that God hears me and is there for me. It's like texting somebody, I know they got my text, but how come they don't text me back to acknowledge me... just with a feeling, or an intuition or a felt sense that they got the message. It's like desperately trying to have a relationship with somebody and they don't give you any sign that you are there.
As I said, the home environment was always different for me though...
There have always been tarot cards, crystals and spells in the house, getting help from Lucifer. My mother is a grey witch and practices a mixture of white and black witchcraft (spells to hurt or kill others.) My sister and aunt practice that religion too. Their prayers get answered too. I sometimes find it strange that out of the whole family I was the only one actively pushed in a Christian direction. I mean, it's good that they did, but it seems inconsistent with what they believe. My mum hates Christ, but was keen for me to go to church... why?
 
@LostButTrying -- thanks for sharing about your life / family. No wonder you're confused.

You believed that because you were christened as a baby that you are, therefore, a Christian. God's Word does not teach that. You were simply a good guy who did the right things in a church setting.

You had a solid good-works based salvation which is Not Biblical salvation. Go to Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourself; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast."

Well -- with the tarot cards, and everything else in your home -- it IS a contradiction to be sure. They apparently are praying -- but if their prayers are getting answered -- maybe I should ask -- what have they been praying FOR?

Maybe the Holy Spirit is working in Their hearts through you?!

What church is your Mom wanting you to go to. Maybe this has already been asked and answered -- if so -- sorry for the repetition. But still -- what church is she wanting you to go to.

Maybe -- down deep in her heart -- she isn't experiencing the kind of inner peace that she's been looking for.

As long as a person is alive -- they can accept Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior. Sounds like you've been putting your 'faith' in your Christening as a baby. As an adult -- you need to place your faith in Jesus Christ -- His shed blood on the cross for you.
 
My mother doesn't want me to go to church anymore, but she sent me when I was a child. Anglican church.
The last church I went to was a Methodist church.
My mother doesn't pray to God, she asks Lucifer for help and she seems to have success with that. If she does a ritual to make somebody unwell, it very often works. She seems to have some sort of connection.
I try to put my faith in God directly.
I love my mum, she is a really good person better than most people I have met.
 
@LostButTrying -- okay -- Methodist is better than nothing. Be in God's Word daily.

She's placing her faith in satan / lucifer which is NOT good. Unfortunately -- placing her faith where she's placing it will have her spending eternity in hell.

And, of course you see your Mum, Mother as a good person -- after all -- she Is your Mother / Mum

Everyone wants to feel 'connection' to something / someone -- it's built into us.

You talk about your Mum and aunt -- what about your father.
 
Hello, I was Christened as a baby because I was very sick and was going to die. I always just accepted this as my belief. I went to a church school and took scripture as a subject later in school. I was a choirboy when young and used to go to various meetings. So I was sort of just always a Christian. But I was never born again. It never really, really came alive although as I've got older I have had times when I have so desperately needed it to. I believe I have had a really solid faith and put my trust in Jesus, but haven't noticed the effect of doing this... I've just trusted that it does have an effect, that God hears me and is there for me. It's like texting somebody, I know they got my text, but how come they don't text me back to acknowledge me... just with a feeling, or an intuition or a felt sense that they got the message. It's like desperately trying to have a relationship with somebody and they don't give you any sign that you are there.

As I said, the home environment was always different for me though...
There have always been tarot cards, crystals and spells in the house, getting help from Lucifer. My mother is a grey witch and practices a mixture of white and black witchcraft (spells to hurt or kill others.) My sister and aunt practice that religion too. Their prayers get answered too. I sometimes find it strange that out of the whole family I was the only one actively pushed in a Christian direction. I mean, it's good that they did, but it seems inconsistent with what they believe. My mum hates Christ, but was keen for me to go to church... why?

Hello Lost But Trying,
The picture your words have painted begin to clarify why you are standing at the crossroads that you are at this time. In truth you have never for yourself, committed yourself in Christ, in belief, repentance and faith. No they are not only words, but actions. I agree with you that you having been pushed towards Christianity is inconsistent with what the rest of your family believes. However, knowing this, it can in a child without it being overt, can create resentment on your part. Not towards your family but to Christianity! So, now after some years it seems to be the time to push back at what has kept you from being able to be with your family not only in presence, but also in belief. It might not be the occult at the moment, but of course, anything else but Christianity will probably also appear or for you hopefully satisfy what you've been lacking till now.

What is troubling is that your family by your own words are into the Occult. There can be many nuances on why they did what they did. As you say maybe, the fact that you as a babe were dying could be one of them. Life is in the purview of God and no other. The Adversary may seem to also have ability there, but it is only at the discretion of God, as you can see in the opening of the Book of Job. Though I'm not sure about this, but is quite possible that Satan might have more control over those who are his, verses what he can do against God's Children. Does who have been in the occult and have since come to Christ, confirm that against those who belong to Christ they are unable to do anything directly against them. Be that spell casting etc.

Your acknowledgement of what your family practices, and what you have been learning if in truth, of Christianity, the Word of God must have been very conflicting for you. Which of course it must be for anyone even partially familiar with Scripture and the objects of the Occult. Be it White, Grey, or Black makes no difference to God, because the Adversary is behind it and has them turning to him and not God.

There is a new member here, who has been part of the occult, and actually did a video/musical of sorts on the subject. He is also from the UK. You can look at his bio to gather an understanding of where he is coming from.


I'll add his name here in the hope that he will see it and reply @IntoTheLIght-TheMusical .

Again, there could be many reasons why your family pushed you towards Christianity while they themselves continued in the Occult. In truth you'd have to ask them the why of it. Putting forth conjecture, when you could easily ask them, might have you believe that we are not who we are in Christ Jesus and that is one who loves you without precondition. Which is the same as we do for your family, though we don't approve nor does Scripture, of what your family that you mentioned are doing.

However, regardless of the reason, know that the truth of what the Word of God, Scripture, has presented to you and what you have been presented here and elsewhere heard. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the light. That no one comes to the Father but by Him. There is no pretense in His Word of Him being something other then what He lived, died, and after His Resurrection to Reign, on who He was and continues to be.

In Jesus the Christ there are not many choices to select from when one reads His Words. You can discard Him entirely, but you can't say He was just a teacher, or Holy Man, etc. For He was explicit on who He was and why He came and is not surprising why your mother hates Him so. If one must do something as it pertains to Jesus, besides follow Him, one must either believe Him, and as I mentioned before, repent, accept His death and resurrection for our sins or not.

You are in a difficult place because you are influenced by what I can only describe is the antithesis of what you find in the Word of God. For whether you realize it or not, you are torn between two existences. One of God and one that is not. That is why the Crossroads you are at is something you have to decide on, and truly determines not just the here and now, but Eternity.

I don't know besides that you have never come to Jesus in truth, but have been doing what you believe has been required of you to do. Again, it could also be affected by your families practices and the very reason that you are at this Crossroads on deciding. If you are unable to come to Christ Jesus, and believe in Him as your Savior in Repentance, that He has Risen to Reign as not only your Lord and Savior, but King of Kings. You will continue to move from one belief system to another. None being able to satisfy what your Spirit is longing for and that is a belonging, a completeness, peace and agape love that only through Christ Jesus one can receive.

I must also note that the opportunity to bring them, your family from darkness to the light might be something you will be called to do, but unless you are truly Jesus' that will never have the possibility of happening through you. There is no hopelessness in Christ Jesus. Especially as you keep your eyes on Him!

So, not knowing if you have ever truly come to Jesus of your own free will, I have and will continue to pray that you do. As I'm sure every Brother and Sister in Christ Jesus of mine, will also do. I also, hope the Brother in Christ who was also in the Occult but is not a Saved through the Blood of the Lamb Jesus Christ, will find the time to contact you, and help you as the Spirit moves him.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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Additional Note: There is a battle ragging, in which we are engaged in.

Now I, Paul, myself am pleading with you by the meekness and gentleness of Christ--who in presence [am] lowly among you, but being absent am bold toward you. But I beg [you] that when I am present I may not be bold with that confidence by which I intend to be bold against some, who think of us as if we walked according to the flesh. For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled. 2 Corinthians 10:1-6

For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual [hosts] of wickedness in the heavenly [places]. Ephesians 6:12
 
Hi,
I've been reading the Quran again today and looked up some YouTube videos.
Actually, I realised that they actually disagree with the Trinity. They say Jesus is the Messiah, but he isn't God. Rather they say he was a prophet sent by God.
To be honest, I still don't know what to believe anymore... but much of the Muslim Islamic belief seems ok. When somebody told Jesus he was good, he said there was none good but God. Jesus denied he was God, he wouldn't lie. How was he alone on the cross? How could God be alone on the cross, it's not possible? Who was Jesus praying to and why.
The Muslims online are telling me that most of this belief of the Trinity is coming from Paul who never met Jesus, actually had a track record of wanting to destroy his followers. Maybe Paul was a big liar or deluded?
But if I'm praying to Jesus for salvation and if Jesus is merely a prophet then that would be sin, maybe that is my problem. Or maybe I've been destined for hell since before I was born?
The Bible says you will be judged in the same way you judge others... Jesus said that. Jesus said follow the law. Jesus said many true things that perhaps got exaggerated by his followers? Maybe Christ is true but Christians are false?

I've said a number of times here that I have believed and fully accepted Jesus as my saviour... but I didn't get saved. So something is wrong, something is not right. It can't be God, it must be me. I'm believing the wrong thing. Maybe I'm I'm following the wrong religion?
 
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Or maybe the Roman Catholic church is correct?
That it isn't enough to believe, that we need good works and faith together?
I certainly have some wiggle room when it comes to doing good stuff and not doing bad stuff.
I admire the devotion and vocation of monastics.
 
Dear LostButTrying,
Just one question to this. Why did you?
I thought it was true, it made sense, it felt true and sincere. My heart was telling me that this was the right way, that it was true. As an adult I recommitted to this... expectantly, lovingly, gratefully, happily waiting for a sense of renewal and rebirth in spirit. I swear that is the truth... And here we are.
 
Hello LostButTrying


You seem very much in the place I was before I was saved, I had no doubt about the spiritual world and also believed everything had its purpose and you chose what 'religion' suited you - a sort of spiritual anarchy, and like your family, I had been heavily involved in the occult and practised high ritualistic magic amongst other things. I find it interesting that you were baptised because you were ill and I imagine your mother did that because she knew at the time she had no other solution, and I myself would have accepted that because as I said, as an occultist you pick and mix what suits the situation. I would also guess that because you survived, she felt that you should carry on going to church as something had worked for the best.

My parents didn't have me baptised as a child because of family historical disagreements over religion, so they thought it should be up to me to make my own choice when older, which I did and went into the occult! It worked fine for me for years then one day I realised I wasn't carrying out the rituals for myself anymore, it was something I had to do - a bit like being addicted to a drug, so decided to stop. When I did life became a nightmare, I suppose it was 'spiritual' withdrawal symptoms, just like coming off drugs. Fortunately, I met a vicar who understood and with his patience and God's grace brought me through it to my eventual salvation. It wasn't an easy decision especially coming from where I'd been, and I believe that you are experiencing the same now because of your background. I even started looking at all religions, but soon learnt the one and only true way is through Jesus.

After I was saved, I asked to be baptised there and then and then was immediately Born Again and following that nothing could ever make me not believe that Jesus is the only way. For some reason God decided to bless me with a miracle and the only way I can explain it is that a complete musical of words, music and Biblical passages seemed be downloaded into me over the three day that followed. I was a musician, but I'd never written words to songs before and certainly didn't know the Bible, but words just kept coming to me with tunes that I was just singing into a portable tape recorder, I felt the urge to open the bible and just write down the first passage I saw then after three day it was complete. When this was all laid out the songs told my story, but through someone else’s eyes, and the Bible passages linked each song perfectly.

My vicar was quite overwhelmed by this and introduced me to members of a neighbouring church that had a drama team and we then put together a stage musical, which was toured around the UK that also got me interviewed on national TV on the subject. In 2006 I was prompted to record the musical as a radio drama and as soon as it was completed, and still not known by anyone how this came about, I was contacted by a Christian music outreach organisation in India asking if we would perform extracts at some shows in India. After a lot of prayerful consideration, I said yes and got a team together. Unbeknown to us, these were the biggest Christian events in India at that time with thousands of people attending and one of the shows was televised and broadcast live throughout the Middle East and Asia. I'm not saying all this to show off, but just to show how amazing God is if you let Him into your life though Jesus.

Since the recording was released, I know that thousands of people have heard the message of Jesus and found escape from the occult as I have received so much correspondence from around the world about it, but only last week I felt prompted to add to video and put it on YouTube, which I did.

I suggest you set aside an hour and watch/listen to Into The Light in one complete session as it will answer all the questions, I believe are challenging you. Believe me it’s not light-hearted entertainment, but a very powerful message of truth. I hope you do this as I believe it will lead to you on the way to salvation and becoming Born Again. You will find Into The Light here and God Bless:
 
No worries, I'll watch the video.
I've never been interested in the occult. It's only really been Christianity for me... but I was alone with that in my family... This way of thinking that I have now is not usual for me. I don't shop around, haven't before.
Just I was not bien again in spirit, I'm not somebody who suddenly heard about Christianity. I read the Bible, I pray, everything.
But what conviction I had has evaporated.
I hear the testimonies of people like you who have this awakening.
Maybe I am going to recieve thus gift after I die and for some reason have to go through life without it? A test of faith? But it's hard. So I have to die before being born again. If that is what God wants then ok. But maybe another faith might work. I don't know if that's possible but I'm desperate, what is the alternative?

I don't know if I want to talk anymore. I feel cold and I've had enough of all this. I'm not dead, I feel alive. I feel love, but not from God. I'm not saying he doesn't love me, but he doesn't want me to feel it, I think.
If I'm in a dark room and close my eyes, I see a light moving around me but it avoids me too. Why won't the light come to me, why won't it light me up? It's just difficult to understand.
Goodnight.
 
I thought it was true, it made sense, it felt true and sincere. My heart was telling me that this was the right way, that it was true. As an adult I recommitted to this... expectantly, lovingly, gratefully, happily waiting for a sense of renewal and rebirth in spirit. I swear that is the truth... And here we are.
Hello LostButTrying,
What was true? That it made your heart tell you that this (what is this?) was the right way and that is was true.
 
Hello LostButTrying,
What was true? That it made your heart tell you that this (what is this?) was the right way and that is was true.

The 'this' is the basis of this thread?
...
That this belief is true. That I am saved and that saving then also leads to a baptism in spirit, or at the very least a sense that God is there with me.. experienced or felt in some way or another.

(I hope this isn't going to turn into a line of socratic questioning, which is just a trick to make another person feel dumb?)
 
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