Let's talk about the Piercing!

[Alive4Jesus]

Dear Beloved,

I would like to knwo if to live as most of Young people are now doing with wearing piercing in their bodies is a sin or not. Since into the Ancient Testament, we read GOD forbidding His peaople (Israël) to use it. Leviticus 19:20 and Jeremiah 16:6 and Deuteronomy 14:1.

They are from the world and Romans 12:1-2 forbides us to follow their way. So, what is the position for Christians?

Personnaly, I approve of the GOD's direction in the Ancient Testament for, Jesus Christ never changed (Hebrew 13:8).

Shalom !!!

 

[Bozrah]

Dear Beloved,

I would like to knwo if to live as most of Young people are now doing with wearing piercing in their bodies is a sin or not. Since into the Ancient Testament, we read GOD forbidding His peaople (Israël) to use it. Leviticus 19:20 and Jeremiah 16:6 and Deuteronomy 14:1.

They are from the world and Romans 12:1-2 forbides us to follow their way. So, what is the position for Christians?

Personnaly, I approve of the GOD's direction in the Ancient Testament for, Jesus Christ never changed (Hebrew 13:8).

Shalom !!!

Glean through the verses you cited, including the paragraphs they are in, and you can collect quite a large list of what they could and could not do. Eating shellfish was another nono

 

[Coconut]

Yes, Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever.

However Jesus Christ also nailed the old covenant law to the cross. This is what His Spirit speaks concerning the new covenant: (it would be good to read the entire chapter)

ESV Act 15:10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?

Act 15:28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden [yoke] than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell."

Did Jesus not say his yoke is light and easy? It is still light and easy yesterday today and forever...

Mat 11:28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, [under the yoke of the law] and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."


As Bozrah indicated above, if you strive to keep one law, you are obligated to keep the whole law.

Gal 5:1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.

Gal 5:4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.
Gal 5:5 For through the Spirit, by faith, we ourselves eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness.
Gal 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.
Gal 5:7 You were running well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?
Gal 5:8 This persuasion is not from him who calls you.

 

[farouk]

Also, in Ezekiel 16.12 the Lord Himself gave Zion earrings and even a nose ring.

So we should not sweepingly say such things are a no-no.

 

[shaun_nj]

I'm sorry, but, something like a piercing or a tattoo is most likely very insignificant in the eyes of God. Although other people might judge you, it is because they are superficial; God is not. There are some scriptures in The Bible (such as the one Alive4Jesus quoted) that are very...odd and should most likely be taken lightly. Some include:

Leviticus 19:27 "Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard".

Leviticus 19:19 "Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of materials".

 

[Coconut]

There are some scriptures in The Bible that are very...odd

True nuff!


The Old Covenant was a Covenant between God and the Israelite`s, none of those Covenant commandments were written for the New Testament church to follow.

The New Covenant between God and the people of God, contains no commands concerning piercings. (or tattoos)

My admonishment to old and young alike is, stop trying to pull the nail out of the Cross, and look to Christ.



Col 2:6 As, then, you took Christ Jesus the Lord, so go on in him,
Col 2:7 Rooted and based together in him, strong in the faith which the teaching gave you, giving praise to God at all times.
Col 2:8 Take care that no one takes you away by force, through man's wisdom and deceit, going after the beliefs of men and the theories of the world, and not after Christ:
Col 2:9 For in him all the wealth of God's being has a living form,
Col 2:10 And you are complete in him, who is the head of all rule and authority:
Col 2:11 In whom you had a circumcision not made with hands, in the putting off of the body of the flesh, in the circumcision of Christ;
Col 2:12 Having been put to death with him in baptism, by which you came to life again with him, through faith in the working of God, who made him come back from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead through your sins and the evil condition of your flesh, to you, I say, he gave life together with him, and forgiveness of all our sins;
Col 2:14 Having put an end to the handwriting of the law which was against us, taking it out of the way by nailing it to his cross;

 

[shaun_nj]

Very true!

True nuff!


The Old Covenant was a Covenant between God and the Israelite`s, none of those Covenant commandments were written for the New Testament church to follow.

The New Covenant between God and the people of God, contains no commands concerning piercings. (or tattoos)

My admonishment to old and young alike is, stop trying to pull the nail out of the Cross, and look to Christ.



Col 2:6 As, then, you took Christ Jesus the Lord, so go on in him,
Col 2:7 Rooted and based together in him, strong in the faith which the teaching gave you, giving praise to God at all times.
Col 2:8 Take care that no one takes you away by force, through man's wisdom and deceit, going after the beliefs of men and the theories of the world, and not after Christ:
Col 2:9 For in him all the wealth of God's being has a living form,
Col 2:10 And you are complete in him, who is the head of all rule and authority:
Col 2:11 In whom you had a circumcision not made with hands, in the putting off of the body of the flesh, in the circumcision of Christ;
Col 2:12 Having been put to death with him in baptism, by which you came to life again with him, through faith in the working of God, who made him come back from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead through your sins and the evil condition of your flesh, to you, I say, he gave life together with him, and forgiveness of all our sins;
Col 2:14 Having put an end to the handwriting of the law which was against us, taking it out of the way by nailing it to his cross;

 

[farouk]

Ms Coconut:

So do you have a tattoo (whether faith related, etc.), or piercings, or would you consider any?

Take care.

True nuff!


The Old Covenant was a Covenant between God and the Israelite`s, none of those Covenant commandments were written for the New Testament church to follow.

The New Covenant between God and the people of God, contains no commands concerning piercings. (or tattoos)

My admonishment to old and young alike is, stop trying to pull the nail out of the Cross, and look to Christ.



Col 2:6 As, then, you took Christ Jesus the Lord, so go on in him,
Col 2:7 Rooted and based together in him, strong in the faith which the teaching gave you, giving praise to God at all times.
Col 2:8 Take care that no one takes you away by force, through man's wisdom and deceit, going after the beliefs of men and the theories of the world, and not after Christ:
Col 2:9 For in him all the wealth of God's being has a living form,
Col 2:10 And you are complete in him, who is the head of all rule and authority:
Col 2:11 In whom you had a circumcision not made with hands, in the putting off of the body of the flesh, in the circumcision of Christ;
Col 2:12 Having been put to death with him in baptism, by which you came to life again with him, through faith in the working of God, who made him come back from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead through your sins and the evil condition of your flesh, to you, I say, he gave life together with him, and forgiveness of all our sins;
Col 2:14 Having put an end to the handwriting of the law which was against us, taking it out of the way by nailing it to his cross;

 

[StraightToVideo]

I don't see why some Christians make such a big deal over Tattoos and piercings, I have both, does that make me any less of a Christian ? No.

 

[HoneyBare]

No, Straight, it does not. I was going to get another tattoo, and would love to get a diamond on my nose, but something stopped me in my tracks on my way to the tatoo place. I walked past the tavern, Rumors, that I used to haunt, and the Holy Spirit just checked me. Maybe it was just me, but I definately did not go through with it. I could not really explain it to any of my friends, but I knew I would not be doing that any time soon.

But, I don't put this onto any other Christian. It's definately between you and God. I think because I had no reservations about doing this before I surrendered my life to Christ, it was not a learned thing, it was simply a whisper in my ear by the Holy Spirit . . . to me only. I don't mean to condemn anyone for following through.

One of the things that struck me later, after I signed up to sponsor a Gospel for Asia missionary, was that my money was going to be spent to benefit a struggling missionary instead of on myself. Tatoos can be expensive, and I think we are all tightening our belts a little more than we used to. I don't think it's so much the act of getting the tattoo or piercing as much as it is the money we are spending on ourselves that could be used so much more wisely.

Just my thoughts.

 

[01redeemed]

Is not everthing about the condition of the heart? It is never really about the outward it is always about the inward. If you clean the inside of the cup then the whole cup is clean. So defilement comes from within a person. From there heart condition. God tests us in many areas for the conditioning of our heart. So let each one follow there own convictions. One might be doing these things to there body out of rebellion and there inlies a problem. However another might not have this rebellion but simply likes the look...etc. One should always seek God in all things and follow Him.

 

[farouk]

Ms HBear:

So what is your tattoo that you already have? is the design faith related, maybe?

Take care.

No, Straight, it does not. I was going to get another tattoo, and would love to get a diamond on my nose, but something stopped me in my tracks on my way to the tatoo place. I walked past the tavern, Rumors, that I used to haunt, and the Holy Spirit just checked me. Maybe it was just me, but I definately did not go through with it. I could not really explain it to any of my friends, but I knew I would not be doing that any time soon.

But, I don't put this onto any other Christian. It's definately between you and God. I think because I had no reservations about doing this before I surrendered my life to Christ, it was not a learned thing, it was simply a whisper in my ear by the Holy Spirit . . . to me only. I don't mean to condemn anyone for following through.

One of the things that struck me later, after I signed up to sponsor a Gospel for Asia missionary, was that my money was going to be spent to benefit a struggling missionary instead of on myself. Tatoos can be expensive, and I think we are all tightening our belts a little more than we used to. I don't think it's so much the act of getting the tattoo or piercing as much as it is the money we are spending on ourselves that could be used so much more wisely.

Just my thoughts.

 

[HoneyBare]

No, Farouk, my other tattoos are not faith related, as I didn't have faith when I got them. I was planning on getting Salt and Light put on my wrist in Chinese though, which I didn't go through with. I think it would be a good witness tool, but it's obviously not what Father wants me to do, and so yes, I am listening to my heart.

 

[PhoenixRising]

When we were in and of the world, we partook in worldly things. Now that we are a new Christian in Christ Jesus and know better concerning God's instructions to His children, should we now not DO better?

The New Testament is still God's instructions to us, His children. The New does NOT automatically cancel out the Old, why would God contradict Himself? If God says NOT to mark our bodies, He meant it.

Our body is supposed to be the Temple of the Holy Spirit, God's own spirit, so even though all things ARE new and the old things have "passed on", God's words are STILL His words, including His instructions about tithing, fasting and circumcision, to name a few. I believe those still hold true today and will until the day of Jesus Christ, the author and finisher of our faith.

He may not condemn us or even be angry, but it doesn't mean He's pleased.

Since God's amazing Grace now floods the earth because of Jesus' obedience at Calvary, we Christians many times engage in behaviour that's not necessarily pleasing to God and many times actually grieves His Spirit. That He doesn't hold this or others against us doesn't mean He's thrilled with us defiling our bodies in myriad ways.

What then separates us from the world if we look, dress and behave in a similar manner? What separates us? I've seen time and time again brothers and sisters in church dressed in outfits they would NOT wear to the White house or any gathering with dignitaries or "celebrities" present.

Can we not show God the same respect?

Or do we just justify our sloppy and slovenly appearance with the fact that He loves us, no matter what and He doesn't care what we look like anyway?

Let's make an effort to give God the total respect He deserves and let's seek to please Him in every way...not so much to "earn" His approval since we really cannot, BUT just because we love Him deeply. Simple as that.

 

[PhoenixRising]

Is not everthing about the condition of the heart? It is never really about the outward it is always about the inward. If you clean the inside of the cup then the whole cup is clean. So defilement comes from within a person. From there heart condition. God tests us in many areas for the conditioning of our heart. So let each one follow there own convictions. One might be doing these things to there body out of rebellion and there inlies a problem. However another might not have this rebellion but simply likes the look...etc. One should always seek God in all things and follow Him.

If you clean the inside of the cup and not the outside, it will still LOOK like a dirty cup, because the outside of the cup is what people will first see, BEFORE peeking inside to see if perhaps the inside MAY actually be clean and possibly usable.

 

[MelechYisrael]

If any of this is being done out of rebellion (against society, parents, etc.) it cannot be glorifying to God. All rebellion is an offense to God.

1 Samuel 15:23a
For rebellion is like the sin of divination...

1 Peter 3:3
Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes.

Peter is not saying that all nice hairdos, clothes, and jewelry are wrong, rather they become so if you have them out of pride and vanity. An overriding question always has to be, “what’s your motive?”

God judges motives and actions...

 

[Slich]

1 Peter 3:3
Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes.

Hence God creating Lucifer donned with exquisite jewellery. :wink:.

Lucifer was a being "of perfect beauty". He was covered in every precious stone. He had pendants and jewels of gold...

 

[shaun_nj]

I think the tattoo rules were created simply to stop Pegan practices. Many ancient middle eastern societies would cut a wound in a dead person, rub ash in the wound, and create a tattoo. So I think those rules or laws were more relevant for the times. As far as piercings go, God didn't have a problem with it in Genesis.

Genesis 24:42-49

"When I came to the spring today, I said, 'O LORD, God of my master Abraham, if you will, please grant success to the journey on which I have come. 43 See, I am standing beside this spring; if a maiden comes out to draw water and I say to her, "Please let me drink a little water from your jar," 44 and if she says to me, "Drink, and I'll draw water for your camels too," let her be the one the LORD has chosen for my master's son.'
"Before I finished praying in my heart, Rebekah came out, with her jar on her shoulder. She went down to the spring and drew water, and I said to her, 'Please give me a drink.'
"She quickly lowered her jar from her shoulder and said, 'Drink, and I'll water your camels too.' So I drank, and she watered the camels also.
"I asked her, 'Whose daughter are you?'
"She said, 'The daughter of Bethuel son of Nahor, whom Milcah bore to him.'
"Then I put the ring in her nose and the bracelets on her arms, 4849 Now if you will show kindness and faithfulness to my master, tell me; and if not, tell me, so I may know which way to turn." and I bowed down and worshiped the LORD. I praised the LORD, the God of my master Abraham, who had led me on the right road to get the granddaughter of my master's brother for his son.

 

[farouk]

Ms Honeybear:

I see. It's always good to follow the conscience, as illuminated by the Word of God. I take it you felt the Bible was telling you not to get more ink, even witness ink, then.

So did you similarly get convicted not to have your nostril specked with a tiny pierced stud? that you were talking about before, as well?

Take care.

No, Farouk, my other tattoos are not faith related, as I didn't have faith when I got them. I was planning on getting Salt and Light put on my wrist in Chinese though, which I didn't go through with. I think it would be a good witness tool, but it's obviously not what Father wants me to do, and so yes, I am listening to my heart.

 

[HoneyBare]

Farouk, I simply felt it was not going to be pleasing to Father to go in and have either a tattoo or to get a piercing. Father knows my weakness, so because He knows me better than even I know myself, I simply trust Him and obey. Adornment is a weakness I didn't know I had, and one that could trip me up and cause sin to come into my life.

I have shared this before, and perhaps it will help you to understand better by sharing it with you. In my past, and even shortly after I was saved, I had a weakness for other men besides my husband. I could not understand why this continued to happen, even after my commitment to Christ. I prayed about it, and the Holy Spirit spoke to me and told my why. In my spirit, I heard, "If you don't want to be tempted, then don't be a temptress." I immediately realized I needed to change my wardrobe and started to pay attention to what I was wearing, not to cause distraction, you know?

Not that having a tattoo, or another piercing would be wrong, but for me, it was a distraction from my focus on getting to know Father better. Also, I had recently become a donator to a Gospel for Asia missionary, and it hit me in that respect also. My money should be spent sending someone to win souls, not wasted on something as vain as a tattoo or piercing.

I am not trying to say others should think in this same way at all. What they do with thier bodies, and with their money is entirely up to them. It's just what Father spoke to me personally, that is all I can say. Do you think this was foolish, Fourok? Why do you keep badgering me about it? Sorry, maybe that is not your intent. By the way, it's HoneyBare, not bear.