Let's talk about the Piercing!

[shaun_nj]

I am bothered, continue to be bothered, by the picking and choosing amongst the laws in the Old Testament. Were they all abolished? Were some abolished and not others?

Some of the laws that appear 'odd' are based on common sense. Sew a new piece of linen together with a new piece of wool and see what happens when they get wet and then dry out.

Most of the dietary laws are based on protecting health. Pork and shellfish can kill if not prepared properly. Fowl that hold down their food with one foot are carrion eaters and often infected with dangerous bacteria.

The law against homosexuality was needed to protect a desert-dwelling tribe with a high infant mortality rate.

Resting one day in seven makes good sense, with or without a religious law to enforce it.

So if Jesus canceled the law, which part of the law did he cancel? How can we know? We hold up the Ten Commandments as still valid, but what of the other six hundred and three laws found in the Old Testament? Are they all invalid? Are some still to be obeyed?

How do we know which is which?

I wonder that myself. I'm guilty of picking and choosing which laws to follow based on whether it is still relevant or not. A lot of laws from the Old Testament were created to abolish Pegan beliefs. So in some ways I feel like some laws (or rules) no longer apply.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Garza33, I suggest that you and Shaun_NJ investigate the writings of Christian apologists such as Josh McDowell, Charles Colson, and Lee Strobel. These writers are more qualified to answer your questions than is the average member of this site, myself above all.

SLE

 

[little chicky]

piercings

Ezekiel 16:11 read it God put earrings in nose and ears. When I seen this I showed my mother. She said that was the Israelites. Funny how people believe some scriptures but don't apply others. My mother comes from the old school but she still has short hair and wears pants. (against bible ethics)
why do they condemn piercing it is written in the bible.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

why do they condemn piercing it is written in the bible.

As I understand it, piercing was a pagan custom. God forbad His children the Israelites to engage in practices that might draw them away from Him.

SLE

 

[garza33]

Can we use the introduction of the parable of the good Samaritan as an overall guide to keeping the law?

Luke Chapter Ten - AV1611
25. And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26. He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27. And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

This in my mind constitutes an overall framework, or foundation, for the specific laws listed in the Old Testament. Am I on track here?

By the way, during all my years as an atheist, I always regarded the second injunction, to love my neighbour as myself, as a concise stating of the basic atheist/humanist moral code but without, of course, any specific reference to Old Testament law. In explaining it to others, I would put it this way:

To help someone is good. To hurt someone is bad. To be able to help and fail to do so is the same as hurting; it is bad.

This simplistic set of ethical standards, along with a disbelief in God, were the only things I ever found as common ground among atheists. You don't need to worry about them organising. They disagree on everything else.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Can we use the introduction of the parable of the good Samaritan as an overall guide to keeping the law?

There are a number of quotes from Jesus that serve as guides for us. One that came to mind as I read your post is Mt 7:12 NIV - "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets."

Regarding keeping the law, my personal willpower was never enough for doing that, just as it was not enough in my attempts to stop my alcoholic drinking. I needed the Holy Spirit.

"You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit if the Spirit of God lives in you." (Ro 8:9 NIV)

SLE

 

[D.A.N]

If any of this is being done out of rebellion (against society, parents, etc.) it cannot be glorifying to God. All rebellion is an offense to God.

1 Samuel 15:23a
For rebellion is like the sin of divination...

not strictly on topic, but this has stuck with me... as I could be classed as a rebel against sociality as it is corupt ect. It could be said that Christians in some countries are rebels depending on your inturpetation of the term.

back on topic, in Deuteronomy 15:12-18
12 If a fellow Hebrew, a man or a woman, sells himself to you and serves you six years, in the seventh year you must let him go free. 13 And when you release him, do not send him away empty-handed. 14 Supply him liberally from your flock, your threshing floor and your winepress. Give to him as the LORD your God has blessed you. 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and the LORD your God redeemed you. That is why I give you this command today. 16 But if your servant says to you, "I do not want to leave you," because he loves you and your family and is well off with you, 17 then take an awl and push it through his ear lobe into the door, and he will become your servant for life. Do the same for your maidservant.
18 Do not consider it a hardship to set your servant free, because his service to you these six years has been worth twice as much as that of a hired hand. And the LORD your God will bless you in everything you do.

 

[farouk]

Galatians makes it clear that the believer is under grace, started the Christian life under grace and is perfected under grace.

 

[farouk]

DAN:

PS: So we can see that ear piercing in the Old Testament relates to an instructive subject. Whether or not ppl do it today is, I guess, a separate matter.

 

[StraightToVideo]

I am actually getting another piercing today..

 

[farouk]

STV:

I am actually getting another piercing today..

Another one? so what did you have done?

Take care.

 

[Alice.]

STV:


Another one? so what did you have done?

Take care.

I got another lip ring. it looks awesome, right next to my first one. I may eventually put studs in the rings place but Idk yet.

 

[Daniisalivenow]

No, Straight, it does not. I was going to get another tattoo, and would love to get a diamond on my nose, but something stopped me in my tracks on my way to the tatoo place. I walked past the tavern, Rumors, that I used to haunt, and the Holy Spirit just checked me. Maybe it was just me, but I definately did not go through with it. I could not really explain it to any of my friends, but I knew I would not be doing that any time soon.

But, I don't put this onto any other Christian. It's definately between you and God. I think because I had no reservations about doing this before I surrendered my life to Christ, it was not a learned thing, it was simply a whisper in my ear by the Holy Spirit . . . to me only. I don't mean to condemn anyone for following through.

One of the things that struck me later, after I signed up to sponsor a Gospel for Asia missionary, was that my money was going to be spent to benefit a struggling missionary instead of on myself. Tatoos can be expensive, and I think we are all tightening our belts a little more than we used to. I don't think it's so much the act of getting the tattoo or piercing as much as it is the money we are spending on ourselves that could be used so much more wisely.

Just my thoughts.

Well said! :wink:

 

[Kit Carson]

To you youngsters. This is just opinion, has nothing to do with the way God looks at thing, but maybe just a bit . You see if you read the entire bible, fully understand the reasons for the laws, and the results of not following them, more things become clear.

It is very true the old laws are gone, but the old laws were the laws of man. Those of God remain. Some laws are not written they are a conviction to each person by the Holy Spirit.

Paul who is a man talks of ways to dress, this is his opinion also, but the theme of things is to dress modest and in a conservative way.

Also our bodies are an honor to God. They are mostly perfect and beautiful as they are, and we should not dishonor them. This is what I gain out of reading the message Paul has given and in other things in the bible. Even though the old laws of man are now gone, some of them were there to keep order.

See that is the deal. Order, and not to offend others.

If I were to go to get a tatoo and or a nose ring or a spear through my nose or a big ball through my tongue, no one has to tell me this is wrong.
I knew right from wrong even as a child, I still know right from wrong.

I know the spirit in me finds it offensive. I cannot explain this, I bear no one ill will over it, but I do find it offensive.

Over the years from time to time I have hired help and their demeanor and dress is always a concern to me and to my customers. Right or wrong anyone with any nose spears , Mohawk hair cut or rings in the eyebrows will not be hired. It promotes a bad image , an offensive one and no thank you, I mean you no harm, I will tolerate to the point that I have to, but no thanks anyway. I will get along in the world I will accept mans way, and his customs and laws, but I will let the Holy Spirit guide me in other matters.

The holy spirit tells me, Kit this is wrong. I have no basis in the bible to support this, it is just what I feel.

I have seen some very extreme modifications to the human body and face, from horns implanted into a persons head, to teeth filed and tongues split into two.

No cannot explain and I am a very easy going person, but when I see that, no one needs to tell me, it is wrong. My first reaction to this is to ask God to forgive them.

Like they say, the foolishness of youth soon goes away, I seldom see an older person like myself with such things.

No jewelery and ear rings on the girls does not offend me, it is our custom and we are used to it and find it attractive. Consider this when you compare apples to oranges.

Kit

 

[D.A.N]

To you youngsters. This is just opinion, has nothing to do with the way God looks at thing, but maybe just a bit . You see if you read the entire bible, fully understand the reasons for the laws, and the results of not following them, more things become clear.

It is very true the old laws are gone, but the old laws were the laws of man. Those of God remain. Some laws are not written they are a conviction to each person by the Holy Spirit.

Paul who is a man talks of ways to dress, this is his opinion also, but the theme of things is to dress modest and in a conservative way.

Also our bodies are an honor to God. They are mostly perfect and beautiful as they are, and we should not dishonor them. This is what I gain out of reading the message Paul has given and in other things in the bible. Even though the old laws of man are now gone, some of them were there to keep order.

See that is the deal. Order, and not to offend others.

If I were to go to get a tatoo and or a nose ring or a spear through my nose or a big ball through my tongue, no one has to tell me this is wrong.
I knew right from wrong even as a child, I still know right from wrong.

I know the spirit in me finds it offensive. I cannot explain this, I bear no one ill will over it, but I do find it offensive.

Over the years from time to time I have hired help and their demeanor and dress is always a concern to me and to my customers. Right or wrong anyone with any nose spears , Mohawk hair cut or rings in the eyebrows will not be hired. It promotes a bad image , an offensive one and no thank you, I mean you no harm, I will tolerate to the point that I have to, but no thanks anyway. I will get along in the world I will accept mans way, and his customs and laws, but I will let the Holy Spirit guide me in other matters.

The holy spirit tells me, Kit this is wrong. I have no basis in the bible to support this, it is just what I feel.

I have seen some very extreme modifications to the human body and face, from horns implanted into a persons head, to teeth filed and tongues split into two.

No cannot explain and I am a very easy going person, but when I see that, no one needs to tell me, it is wrong. My first reaction to this is to ask God to forgive them.

Like they say, the foolishness of youth soon goes away, I seldom see an older person like myself with such things.

No jewelery and ear rings on the girls does not offend me, it is our custom and we are used to it and find it attractive. Consider this when you compare apples to oranges.

Kit

in regards to Paul.. he was talking to specific groups of people.. and a reserved aproch? hmm so along with tattoos we shouldnt have bright yellow T-shirts with shirts? and we should all dress in grey knitted jumpers? i think not

with the exstreame stuff like tougue spilts and subdemal implants I agree but then what about breast implants and plastic sugery?

and to honor our bodies.. hm this could be taken many ways from not having tranfusions to only eating the bear minimum and in genrallooking after it.. so if you eat too much you are dis honering your body.

'No jewelery and ear rings on the girls does not offend me, it is our custom and we are used to it and find it attractive. Consider this when you compare apples to oranges'


saying somthing is aceptable because your culture does is wrong..

if it were to see eating human flesh as a day to day thing does it make it right? of course not.. this could be aplied to racism, murder, idol worship..
as folowers of christ we are called to break away from the acepted things of sociaty or doing them just becuae they are acepted

aslo it is sad that people cant look behind the physical form and jugde almost solely by it.

I know my views may clash with alot of others but oh well

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Like they say, the foolishness of youth soon goes away, I seldom see an older person like myself with such things.

When I was a teenager (14 y.o. or so), burr haircuts became THE fashion statement for boys. Seemingly, every teenaged boy had one. So, I had to have one. My mother said "No!", but I conned the barber into giving me a burr anyway. A few days later, class pictures were taken at my school. Some years passed until I found some of those pictures and gasped in horror at what I had looked like as a teenager with that burr cut.

When I was a boy, my head was round and my ears stuck out a bit. As I grew and matured physically, my head squared a bit and my ears folded back against the sides of my head. But, when those pictures were taken, my ears stood straight out. With that burr haircut, my head looked like a bowling ball with handles on each side and I thought, "OMG! I looked like THAT???!!!"

My point is this: following fashion trends isn't always a good idea because you may not look as cool as you think. Others may be laughing at you behind your back.

SLE

 

[Praiseius_Max]

piercing

i would not tell anyone else not to get piercings.. i can only speak for myself.. but did you know that piercings is how some cultures used to mark slaves??

 

[D.A.N]

i would not tell anyone else not to get piercings.. i can only speak for myself.. but did you know that piercings is how some cultures used to mark slaves??

yesand in others they are atractive and depends on location..