Liberalism

[Laeomis]

Any criticism of public officials that is based on fact is valid. That based on hearsay is not, that simple. It is the right of any citizen of the US to be concerned about the job the elected officials do. So far, most of the bad stuff about trump has turned out to be made up by democratic ploys to effect better election results. Not all, but most. Most stuff about biden has been true and yet nothing done about it so far, again, probably not all. Did Trump have affairs while married? I dont doubt it, but if that were reason to not be electable to be president, probably over 90% of presidents would have never been elected, and I am more concerned about official acts done in office that effect the whole nation. In the news is a story about some republican who was kicked out of congress for bad stuff, I fully agree with them doing so, corruptness is wrong no matter what party its done by.

No, Huber. It is interpretation of the law. What Trump is being accused of and is about to go on trial on March of next year is insurrection and rebellion against the U.S. government. According to the Constitution, if a public official commits insurrection against the U.S. government they cannot hold office again. Except by a vote of 2/3 of Congress. This amendment was made after the Civil War to prevent the Confederacy from rejoining the government. According to Congress ("14th Ammendment Section 3").

I personally don't believe the Jan. 6 riot was an insurrection, but the Jan. 6th riot is just a front for other crimes committed by Trump that are hard to prosecute. The crimes are deep, and effect everyone. As they say, "Al Capone was caught on tax-evasion."

Since World War II, there has been a decline in Christianity. After WWII and the Baby Boomers is when I believe the Indignation started. Right now, we have the 4th generation after the indignation started. If a generation is 20 years, since we are 80 years after the end of WWII. According to the Ten Commandments, God will allow 4 generations of indignation before he destroys the country. (King James Version, Exodus 20:5-6)


5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;


6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.


A sign of a bad leader, is a sign of a bad people.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Dear Brother, @Laeomis
Heavy sigh. (Brotherly hug)
You say:

I personally don't believe the Jan. 6 riot was an insurrection, but the Jan. 6th riot is just a front for other crimes committed by Trump that are hard to prosecute. The crimes are deep, and effect everyone. As they say, "Al Capone was caught on tax-evasion."

So, you believe he, Trump, is unjustly being prosecuted for crimes he did not commit i.e. insurrection?

Yes, Al Capone was caught on Tax Evasion, of which he was guilty of! Not prosecuted for a crime he did not commit, no matter how many crimes he may have done, for which they had no evidence to convict him of. They still found one that they could!

As far the other crimes "that are hard to prosecute", won't it be easier to turn Trump, for those crimes over to God to deal with, (Romans 13:1) then to unjustly attempt to convict him of a crime he did not convict?

For if you do convict him of something he did not do, what does that do to the rule of law, and what greater harm will that do to the rule of law in a country already divided?

There are many who believe they have gotten away with many crimes, that the courts couldn't or won't be able to convict on. However, there is a greater judgment that awaits them. (Hebrews 9:27, 10:21)

A sign of a bad leader, is a sign of a bad people.

We have leaders that as a Nation we deserve. The Nation called America is not now a good Nation. All you have to do is look at the society, and you will see that. (Matthew 24:12)
The whole world is dark, and USA is no exception. Just be getting yourself ready for our Lord's return (Matthew 24:42-44) and stop worrying about this quandary that we find ourselves in as a Nation. Oh, keep praying, but do not be weighed down by these things you read in the news. It will not give you peace, but the opposite. Remember our peace is in the Lord!!! (Matthew 14:27)

Remember in Christ Jesus, we belong to the Kingdom of God!!! Not USA, Australia, Russia, China, Japan, UK, France, Germany, Ukraine, Egypt, Turkey, and the list goes on and on!!!

Spread the Gospel while there is time!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
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[Brad Huber]

No, Huber. It is interpretation of the law. What Trump is being accused of and is about to go on trial on March of next year is insurrection and rebellion against the U.S. government. According to the Constitution, if a public official commits insurrection against the U.S. government they cannot hold office again. Except by a vote of 2/3 of Congress. This amendment was made after the Civil War to prevent the Confederacy from rejoining the government. According to Congress ("14th Ammendment Section 3").

I personally don't believe the Jan. 6 riot was an insurrection, but the Jan. 6th riot is just a front for other crimes committed by Trump that are hard to prosecute. The crimes are deep, and effect everyone. As they say, "Al Capone was caught on tax-evasion."

Since World War II, there has been a decline in Christianity. After WWII and the Baby Boomers is when I believe the Indignation started. Right now, we have the 4th generation after the indignation started. If a generation is 20 years, since we are 80 years after the end of WWII. According to the Ten Commandments, God will allow 4 generations of indignation before he destroys the country. (King James Version, Exodus 20:5-6)


5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;


6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.


A sign of a bad leader, is a sign of a bad people.

Indeed, do not bow down to any idol, including your political persuasion. Yours is keeping you from seeing the truth about our govt. You can certainly be forgiven for that, but its clouding your ability to see the truth of the corruptness of our govt and that nothing short of Christ setting it right will fix it I think.

 

[Br. Bear]

@B-A-C
Greetings,

Please excuse/forgive my long time getting back to this.

This passage in Romans, is probably the hardest to reconcile free-will with.

I trust you know I am not judging or picking an argument. Only looking at each 'mouthful' before swallowing.

Should we be trying to reconcile Scripture and the Bible with any ideas or doctrines?
When we see something that appears to challenge our thoughts, can we accept that we might need to sit back and ask the Lord to help us see and find His will regarding our understanding of the Scripture and the Bible?

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Thank you for sharing the replies and Verses and Passages that we find in our Bibles.

When we see reference to God's will, what does or mind do?
Do we somehow equate 'free-will' with God's will?

That will do for now.

I think I raised a point about who do we serve. Any thoughts on that?

Also, are there shades and degrees of obedience to God's will and/or command?


Bless you ....><>

 

[MedicBravo]

Liberalism is a plague.

 

[MedicBravo]

Per Jan. 6th. Trump did NOT incite violence. The MSM CUT that video but the full one was out not long after. He told everyone to be peaceful.
Many didn't see that video or were so "upset" they did things anyway. You can't hold him accountable for their actions when he said otherwise.
Jan 6th was staged and most who were there were told to be and dressed in MAGA clothing. There's a few videos of them being caught.

 

[Twistie]

No, Huber. It is interpretation of the law. What Trump is being accused of and is about to go on trial on March of next year is insurrection and rebellion against the U.S. government. According to the Constitution, if a public official commits insurrection against the U.S. government they cannot hold office again. Except by a vote of 2/3 of Congress. This amendment was made after the Civil War to prevent the Confederacy from rejoining the government. According to Congress ("14th Ammendment Section 3").

I personally don't believe the Jan. 6 riot was an insurrection, but the Jan. 6th riot is just a front for other crimes committed by Trump that are hard to prosecute. The crimes are deep, and effect everyone. As they say, "Al Capone was caught on tax-evasion."

Since World War II, there has been a decline in Christianity. After WWII and the Baby Boomers is when I believe the Indignation started. Right now, we have the 4th generation after the indignation started. If a generation is 20 years, since we are 80 years after the end of WWII. According to the Ten Commandments, God will allow 4 generations of indignation before he destroys the country. (King James Version, Exodus 20:5-6)


5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;


6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.


A sign of a bad leader, is a sign of a bad people.

 

[Laeomis]

Dear Brother, @Laeomis
Heavy sigh. (Brotherly hug)
You say:

So, you believe he, Trump, is unjustly being prosecuted for crimes he did not commit i.e. insurrection?

Yes, Al Capone was caught on Tax Evasion, of which he was guilty of! Not prosecuted for a crime he did not commit, no matter how many crimes he may have done, for which they had no evidence to convict him of. They still found one that they could!

As far the other crimes "that are hard to prosecute", won't it be easier to turn Trump, for those crimes over to God to deal with, (Romans 13:1) then to unjustly attempt to convict him of a crime he did not convict?

For if you do convict him of something he did not do, what does that do to the rule of law, and what greater harm will that do to the rule of law in a country already divided?

There are many who believe they have gotten away with many crimes, that the courts couldn't or won't be able to convict on. However, there is a greater judgment that awaits them. (Hebrews 9:27, 10:21)



We have leaders that as a Nation we deserve. The Nation called America is not now a good Nation. All you have to do is look at the society, and you will see that. (Matthew 24:12)
The whole world is dark, and USA is no exception. Just be getting yourself ready for our Lord's return (Matthew 24:42-44) and stop worrying about this quandary that we find ourselves in as a Nation. Oh, keep praying, but do not be weighed down by these things you read in the news. It will not give you peace, but the opposite. Remember our peace is in the Lord!!! (Matthew 14:27)

Remember in Christ Jesus, we belong to the Kingdom of God!!! Not USA, Australia, Russia, China, Japan, UK, France, Germany, Ukraine, Egypt, Turkey, and the list goes on and on!!!

Spread the Gospel while there is time!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
<><

Since we are on on Romans.

I knew the Right would betray the Left. I knew this was going to happen, and Biden is the leader. What it says in Romans about Biden is:

1Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

(New International Version, Romans 13:1-5)

I have to watch the news, it is a Revelationary command of Jesus Christ (King James Version, Revelation 3:3)

3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Jesus Christ is coming to judge nation by nation. (Revelation 2:26-27).

26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

The title of this thread is, "Do liberal ideologies mix with Christianity?" Yes they do. It's not 0. The title of the thread implies that it mixes 0%. If it's not 0, then it mixes more than 0. That's multiplication.

I'm making a call to repentance, for rebelling against your nation. God let Biden be elected, and he has his sword out against the wicked.

 

[Twistie]

Since we are on on Romans.

I knew the Right would betray the Left. I knew this was going to happen, and Biden is the leader. What it says in Romans about Biden is:

1Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

(New International Version, Romans 13:1-5)

I have to watch the news, it is a Revelationary command of Jesus Christ (King James Version, Revelation 3:3)

3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Jesus Christ is coming to judge nation by nation. (Revelation 2:26-27).

26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

The title of this thread is, "Do liberal ideologies mix with Christianity?" Yes they do. It's not 0. The title of the thread implies that it mixes 0%. If it's not 0, then it mixes more than 0. That's multiplication.

I'm making a call to repentance, for rebelling against your nation. God let Biden be elected, and he has his sword out against the wicked.

U have been brainwashed by the world ur allegiance to man out weighs Your allegiance to the Living God.. are u blind to wat they r doing to the children? Ur supporting the sex changing of children ur approving the slave labor of children ur supporting the injustice that's happening to the elderly ur supporting a judicial system that's pro evil

as it is written..

They strengthen the hands of the evil doers n do not turn back

I personally don't partake in man's ways but u support the wicked ones ur own words speak that

Come out of her my people so u do not partake in her sins n receive her plagues

Twistie

 

[Laeomis]

U have been brainwashed by the world ur allegiance to man out weighs Your allegiance to the Living God.. are u blind to wat they r doing to the children? Ur supporting the sex changing of children ur approving the slave labor of children ur supporting the injustice that's happening to the elderly ur supporting a judicial system that's pro evil

as it is written..

They strengthen the hands of the evil doers n do not turn back

I personally don't partake in man's ways but u support the wicked ones ur own words speak that

Come out of her my people so u do not partake in her sins n receive her plagues

Twistie

It's not brainwashing to support the President of your country. I'm not arguing with you Twistie.

 

[Twistie]

It's not brainwashing to support the President of your country. I'm not arguing with you Twistie.

Your very brainwashed ur words testify it
.
No argument here stating Truth

Twistie

 

[MedicBravo]

Anyone who supports Pedo Joe isn't thinking straight.

 

[Hekuran]

Your very brainwashed ur words testify it

Anyone who supports Pedo Joe isn't thinking straight.

I find it deeply depressing that on a Christian forum the level of discussion doesn't rise above insulting people who hold a different view.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Since we are on on Romans.

I knew the Right would betray the Left. I knew this was going to happen, and Biden is the leader. What it says in Romans about Biden is:

1Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

(New International Version, Romans 13:1-5)

I have to watch the news, it is a Revelationary command of Jesus Christ (King James Version, Revelation 3:3)

3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Jesus Christ is coming to judge nation by nation. (Revelation 2:26-27).

26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

The title of this thread is, "Do liberal ideologies mix with Christianity?" Yes they do. It's not 0. The title of the thread implies that it mixes 0%. If it's not 0, then it mixes more than 0. That's multiplication.

I'm making a call to repentance, for rebelling against your nation. God let Biden be elected, and he has his sword out against the wicked.

Dear Laeomis,
You did bring a smile to my face, more than once when I read your reply!

Let's start with your opening. The "right would betray the Left.". I'm sure you had no problem with Trump when he was President and the left of course was in total agreement with the right back then!!! Don't get angry when the mirror reflects back at you what you accuse others of being!!! lol My laughter is bittersweet because it seems you can't help yourself!!! That is why I consider myself Independent, oh, and yes conservative, because to be liberal in these days, speaks to perversions that should come as no surprise to anyone who sees how darkening the final days will be, but first and foremost a Believer in Jesus Christ. You may not realize this or reject it, but that means in truth there is neither right, left, or for that matter independent. Just God's Truth or the Adversary's Lies!!! I use Independent for lack of another word because if I used "God's Truth" in place of "right, left, independent" would you or anyone else understand it? Don't answer that, because it is really a rhetorical question. Of course, you won't.

On the Scripture you used, I am glad you followed up on what I wrote to you and used it yourself for President Biden!!! If we pay close attention the mirror isn't us but can still show us the imperfections that might otherwise go unnoticed. Look in that mirror and ask yourself in truth, was I the same way as these people are now when Trump was President? Remember God's Authority which has President Biden in office is the same one that put former President Trump in office as well no matter how we attempt to justify them. (See, what I said about bittersweet.) So, did you repent or ask those others to repent when Trump was President for your/their wickedness as you are asking those who have angst against President Biden now or were you completely supportive of him? Don't answer for the truth will set you free!

Now on the title of the "poll" options given I do agree with you on! Amazed? lol Nothing is 100% except being able to be Saved through Jesus Christ! The problem is that most have difficulty justifying the grey areas that exist with how the question was posed. The same would be the case if you were to replace the word "liberal" with the word "conservative" or for that matter "independent"! Again, when you focus on what I have written here please take to heart and mind what it says in Scripture for it truly appears this subject is troubling to you. "I am leaving you with a gift--peace of mind and heart. And the peace I give is a gift the world cannot give. So don't be troubled or afraid." John 14:27 NLT.

Note: Please Read and I hope, and I pray that you will have understanding what our Lord has communicated to God in prayer and to those whom He loves to read as well.

John 17:14-26 NLT
I have given them your word. And the world hates them because they do not belong to the world, just as I do not belong to the world. I'm not asking you to take them out of the world, but to keep them safe from the evil one. They do not belong to this world any more than I do. Make them holy by your truth; teach them your word, which is truth. Just as you sent me into the world, I am sending them into the world. And I give myself as a holy sacrifice for them so they can be made holy by your truth. "I am praying not only for these disciples but also for all who will ever believe in me through their message. I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one--as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me. "I have given them the glory you gave me, so they may be one as we are one. I am in them and you are in me. May they experience such perfect unity that the world will know that you sent me and that you love them as much as you love me. Father, I want these whom you have given me to be with me where I am. Then they can see all the glory you gave me because you loved me even before the world began! "O righteous Father, the world doesn't know you, but I do; and these disciples know you sent me. I have revealed you to them, and I will continue to do so. Then your love for me will be in them, and I will be in them."

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Twistie]

I find it deeply depressing that on a Christian forum the level of discussion doesn't rise above insulting people who hold a different view.

If Truth Insults ya idk what to tell ya our words will testify against or for us..


Sad how many r insulted by the Truth tho

Twistie

 

[Hekuran]

If Truth Insults ya idk what to tell ya our words will testify against or for us..


Sad how many r insulted by the Truth tho

Twistie

Truth doesn't insult me; needless rudeness and intemperance does bring me down. I'd be embarrassed for my non-christian friends or family to come on to this site to see how God's children talk to each other.

 

[B-A-C]

Here is the US at least. Liberalism ( left leaning ) and democratic party all go hand in hand. I don't know that there's an official document stating this is so. But if you do
a quick google search, you'll see that virtually all media agrees on that statement.

Again, I live in the US, so I can only speak from that perspective, perhaps it's different in other places... ( more about that in a moment )
But when the US has been under Liberal majority leadership. The following things have happened.
Same sex marriage was legalized ( Obama )
Transgender pronouns became national policy. ( Biden )
Parents no longer having control over which gender children choose to be called by. ( you can even go to jail for opposing this ). ( Biden )
There was a republican Present in office when Roe vs Wade was first decided ( R. Nixon ) however 91st-93rd congress was Democratic majority at that time.
It was reversed when a Republican President presided ( Trump )

These things are pretty cut and dried, and almost all Christians agree that these things are unbiblical.
But then it gets into some "shaky" grey areas, that not everyone agrees on. The right to bear arms for example.
Christians seem to be divided on whether it's OK to have a gun or not. Even a gun solely used for hunting is often debated. The US was founded on the second amendment, and very probably wouldn't
even exist as a nation unless that right was exercised.

Luke 22:36; And Jesus said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one.

There is also communism and socialism issues that divide the Christian perspective. A passage of scripture commonly used to support this is...

Acts 4:33; And with great power the apostles were giving testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and abundant grace was upon them all.
Acts 4:34; For there was not a needy person among them, for all who were owners of land or houses would sell them and bring the proceeds of the sales
Acts 4:35; and lay them at the apostles' feet, and they would be distributed to each as any had need.
Acts 4:36; Now Joseph, a Levite of Cyprian birth, who was also called Barnabas by the apostles (which translated means Son of Encouragement),
Acts 4:37; and who owned a tract of land, sold it and brought the money and laid it at the apostles' feet.

Now while many churches have ministries to help the needy with food, clothing, and shelter, there is a fine line between going people what they "need" and what they want.
Most of the Christians I know do not believe in equal wealth distribution. They are all for helping the needy, but not equal wealth distribution.
If you want a better life, you should work for it.

2Thes 3:10; For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either.

There are of course aged and infirmed people who cannot work for one reason or another. But there are plenty of people who can work, but they simply don't want to.

Finally there is the issue of immigration and open borders. That divides the church also, but it's too much to cover in one post.

 

[B-A-C]

Jimmy Carter was President when the 10 commandments were removed from the Supreme Court and ordered them to be removed from schools ( Stone vs Graham, Kentucky 1980 ).

 

[B-A-C]

Again, I live in the US, so I can only speak from that perspective, perhaps it's different in other places... ( more about that in a moment )

I forgot to get back to that point. Anyway, as I mentioned earlier, I live in the US. From my perspective the US is too bossy, and tries to tell the rest of the world what they can and can't do.
This crosses over into everything economics, education, military, foreign policy, immigration, and just about everything else. I can't prove it, but I suspect some of the world resents the US
for being that way.

But either because the US pressures them ( through things like economic sanctions ) or simply because they want to be progressive. Some countries ( mostly European it seems )
always follow the US lead. If we legalize gay marriage, they do the same. If we legalize abortion, they do the same. If we make transgender pronouns a policy, so do they.
Now maybe that isn't always the case, and perhaps Europeans don't see it that way, I don't know. But from the outside looking in.. it sure looks that way.

I do notice that Russia, a few African countries, and a few South American countries do not tend to follow US policy on these things. Some are even willing to accept
pressure from the US government in order not to comply.

 

[Twistie]

Truth doesn't insult me; needless rudeness and intemperance does bring me down. I'd be embarrassed for my non-christian friends or family to come on to this site to see how God's children talk to each other.

When someone is stealing he is called a thief when someone can stand n say that they r so for a party that has made made American doctors to affirm the childrens feelings over their well bein they r either brainwashed or very evil id prefer to give the person some lead way with the word brainwashed to be honest.. I myself don't dance around words or nor do I walk on glass (worry) who's feelings may get hurt by speaking the Truth.. i had to walk on glass many many years.. i have been set free from that chain.. if being kind is sugar coating n lying to people i definetly will not fit in..


Twistie