LITERAL Hellfire Torment—Not A Bible Teaching

[KingJ]

Countless things are beyond our understanding in this.

Disagree. God has given us the same knowledge of good and evil that He has Gen 3:22 as well us the ability for us to understand and grasp it Psalm 8:5, Heb 2:7.

Scripture is crystal clear that the devil will be punished ''in front'' of the angels in heaven Rev 14:10. Why if they cannot grasp it? it is beyond them as you say? You are not meditating on scripture.

Be careful of making statements like this. It can imply that God has an evil side to Him, as we cannot fully grasp Him. That is 100% heretical teaching. Scripture is crystal clear that God does not have a dark side. 1 John 1:5 God is light with no darkness in Him AT ALL.

The human mind can NOT understand Heaven or Hell. God face to face.

Disagree. Scripture is clear that God gives us visions of heaven and God. God gave this to Isaiah, John and Paul.

God operates with mankind on our level. Scripture mentions things in heaven that we can understand. Gates, roads, horse, mansions, banquet.

How God is three but three as one.

Sure, God Himself is hard to understand. Where does He come from, nobody can grasp that.

Fire represents many thing and in the Bible, purification for example.

IMO and experience in learning:
Hell is fire and damnation. The soul and and does experience pain and physical needs.
Luke 16:24 "And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.’
Luke 16:21 Laazarus and the rich man
Luke 16:22-23 Lazarus and the rich man in Hades
"“So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.”
24-26 "The rich man's plea. "“Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’”

Whatever form the non-Heaven afterlife IS and has been, pain and suffering and torment are part of it.

You say fire represents many things and then quote only Luke 16?

Glad to see you have read Luke 16. Now please stop teaching falsely. Note the fact that NOWHERE in Luke 16 is the rich man SCREAMING, having HIS FLESH BURNED, being EATEN by worms, being TORTURED by demons. If any teach these things they are adding to scripture what is NOT there and need to be TERRIFIED of standing ALONE before God of the universe and having to explain to Him as to why they taught the lost that He loves and died for that He sit atop a list of the most evil beings to ever live, just because they read the word '''fire''' many times in scripture. Imagine that.

 

[MedicBravo]

Disagree. God has given us the same knowledge of good and evil that He has Gen 3:22 as well us the ability for us to understand and grasp it Psalm 8:5, Heb 2:7.

Scripture is crystal clear that the devil will be punished ''in front'' of the angels in heaven Rev 14:10. Why if they cannot grasp it? it is beyond them as you say? You are not meditating on scripture.

Be careful of making statements like this. It can imply that God has an evil side to Him, as we cannot fully grasp Him. That is 100% heretical teaching. Scripture is crystal clear that God does not have a dark side. 1 John 1:5 God is light with no darkness in Him AT ALL.



Disagree. Scripture is clear that God gives us visions of heaven and God. God gave this to Isaiah, John and Paul.

God operates with mankind on our level. Scripture mentions things in heaven that we can understand. Gates, roads, horse, mansions, banquet.



Sure, God Himself is hard to understand. Where does He come from, nobody can grasp that.



You say fire represents many things and then quote only Luke 16?

Glad to see you have read Luke 16. Now please stop teaching falsely. Note the fact that NOWHERE in Luke 16 is the rich man SCREAMING, having HIS FLESH BURNED, being EATEN by worms, being TORTURED by demons. If any teach these things they are adding to scripture what is NOT there and need to be TERRIFIED of standing ALONE before God of the universe and having to explain to Him as to why they taught the lost that He loves and died for that He sit atop a list of the most evil beings to ever live, just because they read the word '''fire''' many times in scripture. Imagine that.

Disagree all you want. What God says is the truth.
There are no apostles or disciples per what was in the Bible. There is no new information. The Bible is closed.

Typing words in all caps doesn't make you right.
Who are these "people" who have visions and what evidence they've had one? I hope you don't give some first-page google result as is the typical response.

 

[MedicBravo]

"This is not something that someone in a brazen bull would do or ask for." Where did you get that nonsense?

What Does the Bible Say About Hell?

Bible verses about Hell

www.openbible.info

It's NOT false and you're the ones the problem with the truth.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Please quote scripture that shows that all people are wickedPs

Ps 14:3, Ps 53:3. Rom 3:10, Rom 3:12, Mat 19:17, Mar 10:18, Luke 18:19.

Next Question???

 

[KingJ]

Disagree all you want. What God says is the truth.

You are not going by what God says. I have proven this.

There are no apostles or disciples per what was in the Bible. There is no new information. The Bible is closed.

Correct, stop adding to scripture what is not there.

Typing words in all caps doesn't make you right.

If you disagree with a point made, reply with a rebuttal. Caps is used to highlight what should be painfully obvious.

Who are these "people" who have visions and what evidence they've had one? I hope you don't give some first-page google result as is the typical response.

I gave you three names in scripture.

 

[KingJ]

"This is not something that someone in a brazen bull would do or ask for." Where did you get that nonsense?

What Does the Bible Say About Hell?

Bible verses about Hell

www.openbible.info

It's NOT false and you're the ones the problem with the truth.

If you don't understand the brazen bull reference you have not properly read my posts. Please reread.

What verse in that link disproves something I have said and supports your additions to scripture? You are being lazy in your reply just like you are on your discernment of the topic.

 

[MedicBravo]

If you don't understand the brazen bull reference you have not properly read my posts. Please reread.

What verse in that link disproves something I have said and supports your additions to scripture? You are being lazy in your reply just like you are on your discernment of the topic.

Your assumption I'm being "lazy" is your problem.
Jesus spoke more than anyone else on Hell and to suggest "fire" in any shape or form is NOT Hell is untrue.

 

[MedicBravo]

You are not going by what God says. I have proven this.



Correct, stop adding to scripture what is not there.



If you disagree with a point made, reply with a rebuttal. Caps is used to highlight what should be painfully obvious.



I gave you three names in scripture.

What modern day people, in fact, in any recent decades are hundreds of years have had visions? I'm ont talking about he past and again, the Bible is closed.
I'm not adding anything.
Any reference to those two and a "brazen bull" is irrelevant b/c that's not what happened.

The topic is OP suggesting that "hell" and "fire" is not a thing which is untrue.
Softening Hell is going to make more people run to it.

 

[KingJ]

What modern day people, in fact, in any recent decades are hundreds of years have had visions? I'm ont talking about he past and again, the Bible is closed.
I'm not adding anything.
Any reference to those two and a "brazen bull" is irrelevant b/c that's not what happened.

The topic is OP suggesting that "hell" and "fire" is not a thing which is untrue.
Softening Hell is going to make more people run to it.

Medic, it is crystal clear that you did not read my posts.

This is a discussion forum. You quote a section from someone and reply to it. You are assuming my belief when I have stated it.

Quote the section from me that you disagree with. I have done that to your posts.

You are coming off as a lazy poster and a troll. No I do not disagree with fire.

 

[MedicBravo]

Medic, it is crystal clear that you did not read my posts.

This is a discussion forum. You quote a section from someone and reply to it. You are assuming my belief when I have stated it.

Quote the section from me that you disagree with. I have done that to your posts.

You are coming off as a lazy poster and a troll. No I do not disagree with fire.

Not a troll. Not lazy.
"Medic, it is crystal clear that you did not read my posts." - Ok.