Living in Sin?

[eddieb]

i have a specific reason for asking about marrige cermony. i cant find one instance in the new or old testament where it says a ceremony is a must. what about adam and eve? did they have a preacher marry them? most people are privy to the tale of willam wallace. married in secret so as not to share his bride with an englishman. personally i look at marriage licences the same as ordination papers. man made religion. i believe if a man says will you marry me and she says yes its a done deal. God knows your heart. not that i am saying a ceremony is a sin.

 

[B-A-C]

i have a specific reason for asking about marrige cermony. i cant find one instance in the new or old testament where it says a ceremony is a must. what about adam and eve? did they have a preacher marry them? most people are privy to the tale of willam wallace. married in secret so as not to share his bride with an englishman. personally i look at marriage licences the same as ordination papers. man made religion. i believe if a man says will you marry me and she says yes its a done deal. God knows your heart. not that i am saying a ceremony is a sin.

Let's say you are right.
There is no legal obligation here.

I don't have to support her, the kids won't have my last name. She can't change her last name without some legal intervention of some kind. I don't have to get insurance through my employer for her or the kids. (that'll save me money) I don't have to put her as a beneficiary on my retirement or life insurance either. I don't have to put her name on the mortgage, or on any of the car titles. Heck, I don't even have to buy her a ring (those are expensive don't cha know!) In the Bible men had to pay dowry's for their future wives. (Gen 34:12; Exod 22:16)
If I marry her in secret like William Wallace, I will fooling a great many people, lying to them in a way. I will have no accountability from the church body. No one praying for our marriage and no one to confide in when things get rough.
Now there are laws that say you can make your domestic partner a beneficiary if you want to, but nothing that says you have to.

Where is the commitment here? Why wouldn't you be proud to marry the women of your dreams, the future mother of your children?
Why wouldn't you want all your friends and family and those in the church to know? Why wouldn't you want her to share your name?

I guess the good news is.. if you get divorced.. you don't have to pay alimony and in some states not even child support. Now of course God hates divorce, but keep in mind, even if it was a secret marriage, and you get divorced, you aren't supposed to get remarried. Of course if it's a secret marriage, there will be no one to hold me accountable for this either.

I have a real hard time seeing any benefit to this. If I was a woman and some guy didn't want to show me any kind of secure commitment, I think....

 

[eddieb]

Let's say you are right.
There is no legal obligation here.

I don't have to support her, the kids won't have my last name. She can't change her last name without some legal intervention of some kind. I don't have to get insurance through my employer for her or the kids. (that'll save me money) I don't have to put her as a beneficiary on my retirement or life insurance either. I don't have to put her name on the mortgage, or on any of the car titles. Heck, I don't even have to buy her a ring (those are expensive don't cha know!) In the Bible men had to pay dowry's for their future wives. (Gen 34:12; Exod 22:16)
If I marry her in secret like William Wallace, I will fooling a great many people, lying to them in a way. I will have no accountability from the church body. No one praying for our marriage and no one to confide in when things get rough.
Now there are laws that say you can make your domestic partner a beneficiary if you want to, but nothing that says you have to.

Where is the commitment here? Why wouldn't you be proud to marry the women of your dreams, the future mother of your children?
Why wouldn't you want all your friends and family and those in the church to know? Why wouldn't you want her to share your name?

I guess the good news is.. if you get divorced.. you don't have to pay alimony and in some states not even child support. Now of course God hates divorce, but keep in mind, even if it was a secret marriage, and you get divorced, you aren't supposed to get remarried. Of course if it's a secret marriage, there will be no one to hold me accountable for this either.

I have a real hard time seeing any benefit to this. If I was a woman and some guy didn't want to show me any kind of secure commitment, I think....

man o man, you sure are stuffing my mouth with words i didnt say. :wink:

 

[David777]

Hello all.

Matthew 19:4-6

And He answered and said, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, and said, 'FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH '? "So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate."

 

[SpiritLedEd]

I most certainly would be in disagreement with your statement.

The law, being spiritual, is still in effect. The law that I have in mind
is the Ten Commandments and I think Paul was referring to them also
in this quote because he was writing to Gentiles in Rome.

Please do not take the following as an offense SpiritLed.

If Paul is only addressing the Gentiles in the Roman Church,
why does Paul make a statements such as these;

Romans 2

17 Indeed you are called a Jew, and rest on the law, and make your boast in God, 18 and know His will, and approve the things that are excellent, being instructed out of the law, 19 and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, 20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, having the form of knowledge and truth in the law. 21 You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal? 22 You who say, “Do not commit adultery,” do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the law? 24 For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” as it is written.


Sure appears to be a Jewish component within the Church that Paul is
addressing SpiritLed. Would be grateful for your understanding of these
passage given your comment on Romans.

I stand corrected, David. Romans could very well have been written before Emperor Claudius' expulsion of all Jews from Rome was completed.

SLE

 

[DutchChristian]

i have a specific reason for asking about marrige cermony. i cant find one instance in the new or old testament where it says a ceremony is a must. what about adam and eve? did they have a preacher marry them? most people are privy to the tale of willam wallace. married in secret so as not to share his bride with an englishman. personally i look at marriage licences the same as ordination papers. man made religion. i believe if a man says will you marry me and she says yes its a done deal. God knows your heart. not that i am saying a ceremony is a sin.

Hi Eddieb,

i personally think it is ok to not have a ceremony it's not about the ceremony it is fine if you do as Lord Jesus was also at a wedding feast but it is not mandatory i think. However important to submit to governing authorities in other words a marriage needs to be registered by law and then of course you make the vow to each other man and wife before a Holy GOD and you will have a covenant that lasts until death, good to ask for blessing from God too.

Becareful with being unequally yoked.

Take care,
DutchChristian

 

[Barny]

Matthew 19:4-6

And He answered and said, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, and said, 'FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH '? "So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate."

Hi,

It may be presumptuous of us to think that God joins a man and woman together in marriage.

Consider Eph 5:31,21 “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh. This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church."

Unfortunately, in regards to the traditional view that God joins a man and woman in marriage, it would seem that many Christians don't really believe God join couples in marriage anyway. Our easy divorce and remarriage culture, even amongst churches who marry such Christians, only confirms this.

But, the fact remains, Eph 5:31,32 tells us that it's the marriage between Christ and the church that God joins together.

As for the marriage between a man and woman, thats up to us who we marry and whether we do it in a church ceremony or not. But with the increasing rates of divorce it would appear that the role of marriage in society might eventually die out as has been predicted.

 

[Amby]

My dilemma

I'm in such a situation right now (living with boyfriend). We've lived together for 2 years now.
I was in fornication, idolatry, etc. Earlier in this month of August, the Holy Spirit convicted me of my fornicating
and now I have repented of it.

Reading these two verses are very important.
2 Corinthians 6:14-
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers:
for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness?
and what communion hath light with darkness?


2 Corinthians 6:17-18
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord,
and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you,
and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.


So I have decided to "come out from among them". I live with my boyfriend and his friend (roommate).
But now I just can't live in here anymore because I want to follow God and it's obvious that
they don't want to follow with me right now. God wants me to leave this apartment.
This is an extremely well place to live. Very nice, pool, gym, beautiful scenery, etc. I've never lived so well before.
But I told myself that I would rather live in scraps and be close to God than to live like a superstar
and be away from Him.
The friends that come over have nasty mouths and say things I can no longer be around.

I've already told him that I'm leaving so he knows now. A.J. took it very hard at first and was crying his eyes out.
My roommate told me yesterday, "you're really taking this religious thing seriously aren't you?"
Justin seems to know quite a bit about the Bible but I don't think he actually believes it. Justin is a Jew (or half Jew).

We talked and I told him that I desired to be around people like me.
Justin offered me to take me to CSU (college) where they have a 'Cougars for Christ' and there,
I can meet people like me. Justin said that the people were very nice to him, even offered him pizza and
although they cared not to hear what the Christians were saying to him and his friends he still liked how they were basically.

The two are very nice and respectful to me.
They live a life without drugs and doing horrible things but they are not followers of Christ.
So now they have to find someone to take my place. My mom welcomes me back home with open arms.

 

[DutchChristian]

I'm in such a situation right now (living with boyfriend). We've lived together for 2 years now.
I was in fornication, idolatry, etc. Earlier in this month of August, the Holy Spirit convicted me of my fornicating
and now I have repented of it.

Reading these two verses are very important.
2 Corinthians 6:14-
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers:
for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness?
and what communion hath light with darkness?


2 Corinthians 6:17-18
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord,
and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you,
and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.


So I have decided to "come out from among them". I live with my boyfriend and his friend (roommate).
But now I just can't live in here anymore because I want to follow God and it's obvious that
they don't want to follow with me right now. God wants me to leave this apartment.
This is an extremely well place to live. Very nice, pool, gym, beautiful scenery, etc. I've never lived so well before.
But I told myself that I would rather live in scraps and be close to God than to live like a superstar
and be away from Him.
The friends that come over have nasty mouths and say things I can no longer be around.

I've already told him that I'm leaving so he knows now. A.J. took it very hard at first and was crying his eyes out.
My roommate told me yesterday, "you're really taking this religious thing seriously aren't you?"
Justin seems to know quite a bit about the Bible but I don't think he actually believes it. Justin is a Jew (or half Jew).

We talked and I told him that I desired to be around people like me.
Justin offered me to take me to CSU (college) where they have a 'Cougars for Christ' and there,
I can meet people like me. Justin said that the people were very nice to him, even offered him pizza and
although they cared not to hear what the Christians were saying to him and his friends he still liked how they were basically.

The two are very nice and respectful to me.
They live a life without drugs and doing horrible things but they are not followers of Christ.
So now they have to find someone to take my place. My mom welcomes me back home with open arms.

Dear sister,

That you want to leave is all in HIS Hand, leave do not take the opportunity to stay the devil is out to tempt you again soon!

Be ye careful sister go back to His Home where you belong and do not return back to sodom!

God Bless and PROTECT you
Amen